DDraceNetwork - developer

That is also just one button click

Replying to @Avolicious Terraform, Ansible, Descriptions of how to setup staged vault, how to se…

02:29

attempt #1 of a vae ddnet map generator

02:30

diffusion approach would probably be smarter

looks epic tho (edited)

perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variational_autoencoder

Variational autoencoder

In machine learning, a variational autoencoder (VAE) is an artificial neural network architecture introduced by Diederik P. Kingma and Max Welling. It is part of the families of probabilistic graphical models and variational Bayesian methods. In addition to being seen as an autoencoder neural network architecture, variational autoencoders can al...

louis

Click to see attachment 🖼️

What kinds of maps are you trying to make?

it's a little annoying how common curl | sh installers have become instead of shipping a proper package. I keep having to audit scripts

Learath2

it's a little annoying how common curl | sh installers have become instead of shipping a proper package. I keep having to audit scripts

Packaging is pain, so people tend to ship their installers this way

08:49

It just works (mostly) (edited)

It works very well but it sends shivers down experienced peoples spines

08:50

I may have made a typo in the url, someone may have sent me a malicious url to the thing I'm downloading

08:51

The thing might be sending a different script depending on the user agent, so if I fetch it with firefox I get a nice clean script, but when curl does it it's not clean

Thats why some installers already provide: curl -sL URL | sha256sum

08:51

they give you the proper instruction with the already filled in sha checksum. Or you can get it from the latest release

Learath2

The thing might be sending a different script depending on the user agent, so if I fetch it with firefox I get a nice clean script, but when curl does it it's not clean

that's not so important in my threat model. I'm going to run these people's software anyway

Learath2

it's a little annoying how common curl | sh installers have become instead of shipping a proper package. I keep having to audit scripts

I've actually not found a thing that didn't have at least an AUR package (edited)

heinrich5991

that's not so important in my threat model. I'm going to run these people's software anyway

I meant the malicious website I ended up on due to my mistake or a malicious link

ah. but then a .tar.gz would not be better than the curl | sh

I would rather they package normally like we've been doing for what now 3 decades?

08:54

I always fetch the script, inspect it, then run it with sh myself

Learath2

I would rather they package normally like we've been doing for what now 3 decades?

what's "normally" here?

08:54

if it's in the original repos, yea, I agree, that's better

Go through the proper channels, put it in the repos

everything else seems roughly equivalent to me

08:55

(i.e. I don't find curl | sh to be worth complaining about more than providing a direct binary download)

08:56

I guess the problem comes from the fact that people want to use debian but also want to use up-to-date software for some reasaon

https://graydon2.dreamwidth.org/312681.html

09:10

rust's avoidance of shared mutable state has deep consequences; when we formally verify programs in Rust we can use FOL and avoid separation logic since the type system protects us from mutable aliasing, while this is not true in caml despite being 'functional' — xavxav (@xldenis) May 14, 2024

https://ntietz.com/blog/the-only-two-log-levels-you-need-are-info-and-error

Hi.

10:30

I have 101% CPU ussage in DDNET Steam, GNU Linux Ubuntu 24.04 (also happened in 22.04), GNOME Shell. Intel i7-10750H (12) @ 5.000GHz NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile

10:31

@Learath2

I was just about to send you this yesterday, then I got into an argument with someone, then I forgor

xd

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

10:32

That's literally how I imagine ryo

lol no

You don't understand ryo at all

im a gym bro

Yeah, he is big buff manly man, no programmer socks, no cat ears

ok not that buff yet

shh

but getting there

Learath2

Yeah, he is big buff manly man, no programmer socks, no cat ears

Would be funnier if he did both XD

lmao

Now that would be hilarious

i would love some rust socks tho

10:33

my birthday is on the 29th

10:33

Ryozuki

i would love some rust socks tho

Haha do cat ears and socks video on the Himalayas while playing tw and send it to chillerdragon for tw in 2024

I have 101% CPU ussage in DDNET Steam, GNU Linux Ubuntu 24.04 (also happened in 22.04), GNOME Shell. Intel i7-10750H (12) @ 5.000GHz NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile

u know 101% means just 1 core is used

Is it with the default settings?

and why u spam this

zuhaitz

I have 101% CPU ussage in DDNET Steam, GNU Linux Ubuntu 24.04 (also happened in 22.04), GNOME Shell. Intel i7-10750H (12) @ 5.000GHz NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile

Limit your fps in the graphics settings. That should only affect gpu but still

i also have 2400% cpu usage while compiling (edited)

10:35

ok maybe gnome cpu thing 100% means 100 xD

Ryozuki

i also have 2400% cpu usage while compiling (edited)

j$(nproc) xd ofc you're gonna use everything

htop goes over 100% for one core for me sometimes

but probs not cuz ddnet doesnt use all cores

When I'm compiling

ofc

I don't know how or why it gets that number

boost

I mean, in the display at the top with the usage for each core

turbo maybe

10:36

idk

zuhaitz

I have 101% CPU ussage in DDNET Steam, GNU Linux Ubuntu 24.04 (also happened in 22.04), GNOME Shell. Intel i7-10750H (12) @ 5.000GHz NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile

that is good, one core should be maxed out for max fps

I have 101% CPU ussage in DDNET Steam, GNU Linux Ubuntu 24.04 (also happened in 22.04), GNOME Shell. Intel i7-10750H (12) @ 5.000GHz NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile

zuhaitz: please stop spamming

heinrich5991: spamming?

zuhaitz

I have 101% CPU ussage in DDNET Steam, GNU Linux Ubuntu 24.04 (also happened in 22.04), GNOME Shell. Intel i7-10750H (12) @ 5.000GHz NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile

and? this is good for ur performance if one core is maxed out

heinrich5991: bridge is writing 100 lines in a minute and I am spamming? xD

zuhaitz: yes, you posted the same message three times already

heinrich5991: And bridge wrote 100 lines per minute.

the bridge is bridging this channel to discord

I will ignore you, every community have toxic people inside.

10:48

12:48 Ignoring ALL from heinrich5991

6

10:48

Done.

️

Dude Just Marked the Admin as toxic

10:49

Ggwp

Jupstar ✪

i don't question that

Damn, I thought I fixed that. And it breaks again. Why? I even finished a solo map last night

10:51

Still crash without log

10:53

The record is still there but the client crash without any changed settings

bridge is spamming xddd

Nightly is not working, nor 17&18. But 15.4 is still working

10:56

This is so weird and I do not have any log to debug

lmao on youtube (edited)

1

LOL

11:52

not the truenas thing, the guy ignoring heinrich

11:52

Can someone go to irc and tell him that the bridge was trying to help him

(I kicked them and set the channel +m, having no ability to communicate with them anymore)

11:53

(resulting in insults via DM, obviously)

4

14:06 Ignoring ALL from heinrich5991

4

12:07

Done.

Does someone know if there is a way to keep seing someone's time after putting them into spectator? Withouth modifying client code. With normal behaviour the names go under the "spectator" category but I would like to avoid that, is it possible?

as player?

14:06

isnt there '/time <name>'

sry, I meant to see their times whent tabbing

what you basically want is to remove/disable the "spectator" tab and just keep everyone listed in the scoreboard? - i dont see why not (edited)

meloƞ

what you basically want is to remove/disable the "spectator" tab and just keep everyone listed in the scoreboard? - i dont see why not (edited)

Ig yeah, can I do that server side?

For everyone else, you can

14:08

For the person in spec, you can't

you can use another client that has verbose spec tab

Learath2

For everyone else, you can

What does that mean? That basically I can't see the time of someone who is spectating?

You can just snap the spec'd tee somewhere far far away

14:10

For everyone else, if you snap it as if they are still ingame, it should show up in scoreboard

14:10

But you cant do the same thing for the tee thats in spec himself. He has to be really in spec to have freeview

14:11

Atleast that's how I remember that piece of code

we should maybe implement a proper spec-while-playing mode

14:12

where we don't have to tell the client that they're spectating

Well we don't have a use for it but if you can imagine some uses for it we can consider it

but rather the client informs the server that it's currently interested in seeing the following x,y,width,height rect

Learath2

Well we don't have a use for it but if you can imagine some uses for it we can consider it

better user experience by not requiring a roundtrip for starting the spec-while-playing

14:13

("/pause")

heinrich5991

better user experience by not requiring a roundtrip for starting the spec-while-playing

Hm, is it not seamless now UX wise? It's just protocolwise a little hacky

14:14

But we definitely can streamline it, we define the protocol

not seamless currently

14:18

we wait for the server to tell us that we're spectating

Ah, that can arrive pretty slow depending on ping

14:19

Yeah, that might be a valuable thing to add

(and it would also make the protocol better ^^)

@heinrich5991 what are you up to nowadays btw? Do you work?

yes

14:29

the rest is probably "prefer not to state in a public channel"

3

Ah, cool. A friend asked me and I was like hm, I think he is still doing something academia

@Learath2 does ur friend ask about us here

14:34

Ryozuki

@Learath2 does ur friend ask about us here

Not that one. Another one does ask me why on earth your company does anything related to compilers at all

14:37

That one doesn't understand anything about what we do here either. It baffles him that we are spending time contributing to something that we refuse to monetize

14:41

Oh I found a cute rust crate https://crates.io/crates/o2o

opt-in structural typing?

I don't think I've heard of this term before "structural typing"

14:49

Ah, yep sounds like it

14:49

Yeah, at my new job I'm mapping lots of structs to eachother. I use lots of reflection for it. Was curious how one would solve a similar problem in Rust

what kind of job do you have?

14:51

(if you feel comfortable answering)

14:52

what language? why do you need to map the structs and cannot use the original ones?

Night_L

Damn, I thought I fixed that. And it breaks again. Why? I even finished a solo map last night

just reinstall windows at this point, no way it's so broken

heinrich5991

what kind of job do you have?

Backend engineering. I'm both helping design and implementing a new backend. We interact with a lot of external apis and we have internal ones, structs with many fields that need to be mapped to eachother

Learath2

Backend engineering. I'm both helping design and implementing a new backend. We interact with a lot of external apis and we have internal ones, structs with many fields that need to be mapped to eachother

hi which lang do u use

heinrich5991

what language? why do you need to map the structs and cannot use the original ones?

Go. Can't use the original ones from the external apis because they need to be normalised (naming typing) and we don't want our internal api to rely on an externality

epyc

15:06

do u like it?

15:06

the language and the job

Jupstar ✪

the language and the job

Mh, the language I'm kinda enjoying. I did miss having a nice to work with gc language. The job is a little mundane imo, nothing novel, just lots of plumbing work as I like to call it

are you at least rich now? richer than rich

Go is very much C like but has the niceties of a modern language and a gc to help write decently performing code quickly

Jupstar ✪

are you at least rich now? richer than rich

They pay me almost nothing as I'm technically an intern

rip

Honestly they are getting an amazing deal. Below minimum wage intern doing the work of an entire developer

classic

Tbf I don't think they expect straight out of uni interns to be of any use normally. Which is what my cv looks like

but normally after uni u get paid properly

15:10

i've never heard of doing interns after uni

15:10

u do interns during uni already

was gonna say, you expect to be paid a "normal" salary atleast after uni

Jupstar ✪

i've never heard of doing interns after uni

When you do none during uni like myself you have to settle for whatever

meh atleast you get experience and can build up your cv a bit

on my uni it was part of the modules already

15:11

u couldn't not do interns xd

Perhaps I could find something better if I looked more carefully. But finding someone to take a leap on you. With an empty cv is not that easy

Jupstar ✪

u couldn't not do interns xd

At my uni it's either 2 electives or an internship. I did 2 electives

Jupstar ✪

u couldn't not do interns xd

german uni go stronk

Learath2

Perhaps I could find something better if I looked more carefully. But finding someone to take a leap on you. With an empty cv is not that easy

Yeah, tbh it doesn't matter.. just don't do an intern for 2 months+

15:12

at some point they either hire u or you leave

15:12

or it's open source

Jupstar ✪

Yeah, tbh it doesn't matter.. just don't do an intern for 2 months+

Yeah, I'm doing 3 months and they have already indicated that they might be interested in hiring me but idk. The job might be a little mundane for my taste

15:13

If they offer a stupid good salary, I'll take it but I doubt it. So I'll look for something else next

Learath2

Tbf I don't think they expect straight out of uni interns to be of any use normally. Which is what my cv looks like

are they amazed of u?

15:13

my first employer for the internship was

15:13

as i built their entire app

15:14

which they failed to market

15:14

but i did my job

Ryozuki

are they amazed of u?

Idk, he did indicate that he expected me to not be capable at all

they offered me part time 4h day for like 500 month iirc

15:14

now im at 2600 kek

Learath2

Idk, he did indicate that he expected me to not be capable at all

from my experience, every place i ever applied to, immediatly offered to hire me simply because i seemed "interested in working with the company" - and its not like i'm that good at what i do - its just that i am trying to fit in :D (edited)

I've been eyeing think-cell to apply to. They seem to have a really interesting job and they are pretty much always hiring more C++ devs

15:16

Their product itself seems meh, but the work they have to do and how low level they go is right up my alley

Learath2

Yeah, I'm doing 3 months and they have already indicated that they might be interested in hiring me but idk. The job might be a little mundane for my taste

after 1 months latest you should ask for a job

15:17

3 months is redicilous

15:17

u talked here every other day about capitalism is shit and now you let yourself to be abused so heavily

Jupstar ✪

after 1 months latest you should ask for a job

I'm a person of integrity. I said I'll do 3 months. I'll do 3 months

but they are not persons of integrity

you usually ask for the job the second they dont need a second guy overlooking what you do - the second you're capable of working alone you should be paid for what you give :D

they say they hire, they wont

Jupstar ✪

u talked here every other day about capitalism is shit and now you let yourself to be abused so heavily

It's not abuse as I see it though. I get a CV entry and some pocket money for work that lets me do lots of learning on the job

u have a finished uni cert

15:18

u should get at least 2.5k € netto

Jupstar ✪

they say they hire, they wont

If they say they hire, they have to

only if it's on paper

There is one more aspect of this that I won't talk about. But they do have to hire me if they say they will

there are verbal contracts, but the second they give you an exact number of pay - you should request to get that on paper

meloƞ

there are verbal contracts, but the second they give you an exact number of pay - you should request to get that on paper

i'd very seriously not trust that

15:20

u underestimate how greedy these ppl can be

15:21

sure there are also good ones

Jupstar ✪

u should get at least 2.5k € netto

Heh, I wish it was that easy. I did think it was that easy

but some would take it very far

Jupstar ✪

u should get at least 2.5k € netto

when i finished my apprenticeship as a inhales precision mechanic in mechanical engineering i had an entry pay of 2.8K netto, and the apprenticeship was disappointingly easy (edited)

Anyway. I'm not exactly worried about finding something else. I just want to find something I enjoy a little more

Learath2

Heh, I wish it was that easy. I did think it was that easy

well always depends on the current market. but as dev it should be rather ez

Until then I can do this internship and relax

Learath2

Until then I can do this internship and relax

sure

15:22

the good thing about interns is u can take them very unserious

15:22

if u dont plan to stay

1

or serious - depending on if you're interested in staying (edited)

I don't really half ass anything tbf. It's a personality defect of mine

15:23

I'll rewrite it 8 times if need be. It'll be done properly or not done. It's not an amazing trait in a professional setting

15:25

It's also the reason the sixup patch still bothers me to this day

that is part of a different problem

15:26

supporting smth dead

Learath2

I'll rewrite it 8 times if need be. It'll be done properly or not done. It's not an amazing trait in a professional setting

yea sometimes that's very annoying. like if someone writes bad code and you know you could do it better but you're not allowed to or it would just confuse the other person and you don't have enough stamina to explain to them why it is bad what they are doing and how they can do it better. it's very frustrating

That aswell, but it was during that random burst of activity in vanilla, so I wasn't thinking of that back when I implemented it

15:27

The way we hooked in everywhere is definitely what annoyed me

15:27

I did atleast get to properly decode the game messages, so I'm happy about that part

Teero

yea sometimes that's very annoying. like if someone writes bad code and you know you could do it better but you're not allowed to or it would just confuse the other person and you don't have enough stamina to explain to them why it is bad what they are doing and how they can do it better. it's very frustrating

My very first commit was like 500 lines of just cleaning stuff up

working in a dirty codebase also bothers me

1

Tater

What kinds of maps are you trying to make?

i'm just using the entire ddnet map database

Learath2

My very first commit was like 500 lines of just cleaning stuff up

working in a dirty codebase also bothers me

c++ is dirty thats why so many rust rewrite is exist /s gigachad

16:17

tbh companies want a balance of good code and get things done mindset I guess

16:17

so u cant always do it perfect due to time

Exactly, so I'm not a great candidate to be an employee

you can still be a public servant or a soldier

1

the university degree just to end up like that

16:57

brutal and if don't want the university that door is closed to me always (edited)

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8370 Also print external module/symbol names in parse_drmingw.sh

Example output before this change: ``` Module offset: 0x00007FF7C8DE0000 Image base: 0x0000000140000000 0x0000000772cb5efc: ?? ??:0 0x000000077cd5c3e8: ?? ??:0 0x000000075d063cc3: ?? ??:0 0x000000075d2a3d61: ?? ??:0 0x000000075d0b7fde: ?? ??:0 0x000000075d2a5f18: ?? ??:0 0x000000075d2a6809: ?? ??:0 0x000000075d0b8140: ?? ??:0 0x000000075cf9d41b: ?? ??:0 0x000000014034b4c7: CCommandProcessorFragment_Vulkan::WaitFrame() at src/engine/client/backend/vulkan/backend_vulkan.cpp:2341 ...

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8371 Fix possibly-used-before-assignment in copy_fix.py

Always initialize the variables local and supported instead of initializing them conditionally, to fix the false-positive possibly-used-before-assignment pylint detection. Closes #8369.

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers a...

warning: `C:\Users\Anwender\.cargo\config` is deprecated in favor of `config.toml`
note: if you need to support cargo 1.38 or earlier, you can symlink `config` to `config.toml`
warning: `C:\Users\Anwender\.cargo\config` is deprecated in favor of `config.toml`
note: if you need to support cargo 1.38 or earlier, you can symlink `config` to `config.toml`

rust nightly scary

meloƞ

warning: `C:\Users\Anwender\.cargo\config` is deprecated in favor of `config.toml`
note: if you need to support cargo 1.38 or earlier, you can symlink `config` to `config.toml`
warning: `C:\Users\Anwender\.cargo\config` is deprecated in favor of `config.toml`
note: if you need to support cargo 1.38 or earlier, you can symlink `config` to `config.toml`

rust nightly scary

Hi Anwender

1

19:26

how r u

1

hi answender

why when i use LinesDraw for draw a line in my code, just i can saw the line if i dont have turned entities (edited)

20:20

help

louis

i'm just using the entire ddnet map database

what method to make them?

Mazty

why when i use LinesDraw for draw a line in my code, just i can saw the line if i dont have turned entities (edited)

did u forget to map screen properly? also screenshots would help

Tater

what method to make them?

hm?

20:28

im quite a novice the architecture is VAE based

Jupstar ✪

did u forget to map screen properly? also screenshots would help

Mapscreentointerface? (edited)

this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variational_autoencoder

Variational autoencoder

In machine learning, a variational autoencoder (VAE) is an artificial neural network architecture introduced by Diederik P. Kingma and Max Welling. It is part of the families of probabilistic graphical models and variational Bayesian methods. In addition to being seen as an autoencoder neural network architecture, variational autoencoders can al...

pretty basic vae with conv and convtranspose layers

20:28

yes

Mazty

Mapscreentointerface? (edited)

yes

20:28

i have it

quite poor performance with basic architecture, i might work a bit on this over summer

20:29

and maybe try different methods (looking at a gan mainly)

is diffusion too expensive to train?

could try that too but i'm not too knowledgeable

20:31

the data isn't huge so idt compute would be much of an issue

yeah

honestly using heinrich map database is probably a better idea

I would think diffusion would be a good choice

20:31

since you can get complex structure

Mazty

why when i use LinesDraw for draw a line in my code, just i can saw the line if i dont have turned entities (edited)

can u show a screenshot of the line that works?

yeah i was thinking that earlier as well. i'll probably give it a shot

Mazty

why when i use LinesDraw for draw a line in my code, just i can saw the line if i dont have turned entities (edited)

probably you don't texture clear

i have

20:33

i use this

    void Avoid::DrawLine(vec2 pos1, vec2 pos2, ColorRGBA color)
{
    Graphics()->TextureClear();
    RenderTools()->MapScreenToInterface(m_pClient->m_Camera.m_Center.x, m_pClient->m_Camera.m_Center.y,m_pClient->m_Camera.m_Zoom);
    Graphics()->LinesBegin();
    const IGraphics::CLineItem LineItem(pos1.x, pos1.y, pos2.x, pos2.y);
    Graphics()->SetColor(color);
    Graphics()->LinesDraw(&LineItem, 1);
    Graphics()->LinesEnd();
}

idk

i just can see the line if i use cl_overlay_entities 100

screenshot

MapScreenToInterface seems to be for GUI code tho MapScreenToGroup would be for ingame

ah

Mazty

Click to see attachment 🖼️

and one where it's working?

20:36

i want to see how it looks like potentially

ah

20:37

do you call your code in players.cpp?

a