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-j option will work as -j$(nproc), no?

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-j is usually ideal

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

6002058 A braintee - ddnet-maps

zhn

-j option will work as -j$(nproc), no?

Not with make

Ewan

melon can help u

monkaStop

xd

At this Point He should Just give remote Access so i can do it gigachad

gigachad

i think they got it figured out

08:05

i hope at least XD

08:05

the guy with the problem didn’t do anything but i didn’t have the patience for his friend

08:06

he’s a cs and cybersecurity student. he should be able to figure it out

Ewan

he’s a cs and cybersecurity student. he should be able to figure it out

Student & able to figure it out

I know a lot of students who are studying CS and they dont know how to use Linux or even more worse: Microsoft Excel

ah

08:10

i don’t know students

08:11

maybe i will next semester

I'd say 35% of my bachelor's degree class were like this xD

I'd expect them to know bash basics If they call themself Cybersecurity smth xD

meloƞ

I'd expect them to know bash basics If they call themself Cybersecurity smth xD

Assumptions over assumptions. They know how to fill out forms with XSS

my mom’s friend took a cybersecurity class and she was telling me that she learned how to make a DNZ

Im studying at uni computer science and am a neanderthal

And they got the info from stackoverflow

im like idk what a DNZ is but do u mean a DMZ

08:12

and she was like oh yea

xDDD

bless her

Lol

Typical CS student

Hahahah

MilkeeyCat

Im studying at uni computer science and am a neanderthal

u got ur own language bro ur chilling

08:12

im over here with my little scripts and PRs

08:12

nothing like a real project

I finished the 0.7 tee renderer, now I can do cool stuff like this kek

kek

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but i don’t think that’s a knowledge thing just depression

I was invited to a cybersecurity class once, it was horrible

Sans

I finished the 0.7 tee renderer, now I can do cool stuff like this kek

kek

Looks nice

08:14

Is it able to render 0.6 aswell?

ty

nod

Avolicious

Is it able to render 0.6 aswell?

yup, first message is 0.6

08:14

and for the second i joined using the 0.7 client

Oh, nice

08:14

You get the info from ddnet master, no?

yea

Ah so its unified already, thats good tho

I need to make stricter types for the master data, but so far this looks clean-ish

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Sans

I finished the 0.7 tee renderer, now I can do cool stuff like this kek

kek

write some docs!

08:16

heinrich5991

write some docs!

https://sans3108.github.io/DDNet

Documentation for DDNet

I mean about how to render a 0.7 tee ^^

it's all there

heinrich5991

I mean about how to render a 0.7 tee ^^

ohh

08:16

uhm

08:16

I kinda winged it

08:16

I'd say it looks close enough tho

08:18

I tried my best to make the code for the 0.7 renderer be as easily understandable as I could https://github.com/Sans3108/DDNet/blob/master/src/classes/skins/TeeSkin7.ts

08:18

Positions for each of the parts I've pulled out of thin air lol

morning MLIR and LLVM devs and others

Ryozuki

morning MLIR and LLVM devs and others

Morning Rust enjoyers and Others

@meloƞ i got a new 240L aquarium (edited)

Ryozuki

@meloƞ i got a new 240L aquarium (edited)

Who is melona

but no fish yet

08:32

idk

Are you cheating on me

yes

justatest

Ryozuki

but no fish yet

poggers2

poggers2

owo

owo

owo

owo

nope

feelsbadman

monkaStop

MonkaS

pepebox

pepebox

pepebox

bought it on ebay

08:33

for 250€ with equipment

08:33

its a steal

08:33

this usually costs 750€ or more

I just noticed how heavy water is

08:35

That acquarium would be 240 kilos just with water in it

yep

08:36

it also came with the thing u put the aquarium on

08:36

you also need a layer of substrate/ gravel

08:36

of 5cm

08:36

atleast

LOL good idea. I think it would break my table. I didn't even think about it

and if u make it pretty some rocks and wood

08:37

yes with big aquarium u need to take lot of care where you place it

08:37

also it should be leveled

08:37

or u put more pressure in 1 place

08:38

btw the bigger the aquarium the easier to maintain

08:38

because parameters stay stable against changes for longer

08:39

cuz more buffer

That sounds sensible

Ryozuki

cuz more buffer

Lessons learned: Think big

nano aquariums are the hardest

Learath plans his own waterpark now

some teaching: a aquarium needs a cycle, fish waste turns into amonia, so u need a filter where bacteria live and turns it into nitrite and then nitrate (or the other way around i forgot) then it's safe for fish and plant food

Ryozuki

some teaching: a aquarium needs a cycle, fish waste turns into amonia, so u need a filter where bacteria live and turns it into nitrite and then nitrate (or the other way around i forgot) then it's safe for fish and plant food

As a natural filter, you could get something like this: https://www.donauauen.at/en/facts/nature-science/fauna-engl/freshwater-mussel

08:46

My parents bought a few of them, so the fishies have a great place. Some fish also use this as "lovehotel"

ye but thats not viable in a closed aquarium xd

Ryozuki

ye but thats not viable in a closed aquarium xd

There might be some species for closed aquariums

08:51

but you need atleast 1m^3 of water for one mussel

(edited)

xd

How to set up a KOG server on Ubuntu

btw the cycle is why you should never ever put fish in a aquarium you just set up

08:56

you need to let it cycle for some weeks so bacteria live

08:56

or ur fish die

08:56

i think kog is private

08:57

@Avolicious u can answer xd

xjh

How to set up a KOG server on Ubuntu

they're apparently planning on open-sourcing it, but it's not done yet

Avolicious

We are not aiming to let KoG die for now. But I've already said some months ago, in case it will, we will open source some parts of it ( esp. the game-source with some minor modifications )

see this

did i miss news? is kog dying?

no. see surroundings

I can't understand the tutorial on github

08:59

Can someone teach me or is there a tutorial

i think u can still run custom kog servers

Gores*

don’t they provide a server binary somewhere?

not KoG

ah

Ewan

don’t they provide a server binary somewhere?

Old one tho

09:00

Windows, DDNet 9 based binary is available on our website (edited)

so what exactly is stopping u from open sourcing atm

09:01

embarrassed?

No

Too much work to rework the modifications to get it running on bare-metal

is edpkg a good name

09:01

i think its long

Avolicious

No

Too much work to rework the modifications to get it running on bare-metal

(you could ofc also open-source the thing that is not runnable on bare metal. perhaps somebody wants to help to make it runnable on bare metal)

it would be cool to make a pkg manager that works with ebuilds, pkgbuilds, deb files and more

heinrich5991

(you could ofc also open-source the thing that is not runnable on bare metal. perhaps somebody wants to help to make it runnable on bare metal)

But I'd like to remove the parts instead. So its just vanilla ddnet with the bare minimum changes like tele-nade

@Avolicious you have ur bank account on the git history thats it right

09:03

gigachad

Avolicious

But I'd like to remove the parts instead. So its just vanilla ddnet with the bare minimum changes like tele-nade

fair

Or we get tele-nade/moving tiles into ddnet

09:03

Then I would not need to maintain another repo, instead its in ddnet itself

In China, the previous official kog server has been hacked, resulting in all servers being shut down, and I want to reopen an official kog server

Where did you get the info from?

09:04

Just curious about the hacking part tho

ah. I'd suggest you open-source the variant you're actually running (i.e. don't strip the non-bare metal parts, at most make it runnable on bare metal, but even that is not necessary). otherwise it's bound to get out of sync

heinrich5991

ah. I'd suggest you open-source the variant you're actually running (i.e. don't strip the non-bare metal parts, at most make it runnable on bare metal, but even that is not necessary). otherwise it's bound to get out of sync

But you cant chat nor use commands nor login into rcon

09:06

You cant add sql

I'm asking from a preservation angle, I guess. it could be made to work if someone wants to restart kog after it dies

09:08

i.e. the work you want to do could be done after a disaster, doesn't have to be done now

Mhmmm, I would need to open source everything then

There are still many people who play ddrace in China

Terraform, Ansible, Descriptions of how to setup staged vault, how to setup kubectl, how to build & deploy, CI/CD

09:11

So the easier way even after KoG would die is to move the gameplay parts to ddnet instead

09:11

so you can run vanilla ddnet

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts Is this URL the code deployed by the kog server?,There's no readme file.

GitHub - ddnet/ddnet-scripts: The magic scripts that make DDNet run

The magic scripts that make DDNet run. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet-scripts development by creating an account on GitHub.

xjh

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts Is this URL the code deployed by the kog server?,There's no readme file.

no, its ddnet

this one ? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet

GitHub - ddnet/ddnet: DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer ...

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

its also ddnet

Em

09:13

So which one is kog's

09:14

Thank you for your help

Avolicious

So the easier way even after KoG would die is to move the gameplay parts to ddnet instead

but that could also be done after the fact, if you'd open-source your current game server implementation. even if it's not runnable on its own

heinrich5991

but that could also be done after the fact, if you'd open-source your current game server implementation. even if it's not runnable on its own

The current implementation implies to open source everything. You basically cant run it, there are no commands, no rcon, no database

09:16

you cant even load cfgs like votes

but the gameplay is completely in the game server, is it not?

xjh

So which one is kog's

kog does not have one. it’s a closed source product

so you don't have to open-source everything, just the game server. even if it's not runnable

heinrich5991

but the gameplay is completely in the game server, is it not?

Yes, gameplay/physics are handled by the gameserver

Avolicious

Student & able to figure it out

I know a lot of students who are studying CS and they dont know how to use Linux or even more worse: Microsoft Excel

+1

09:17

this guys did their best on some icpc kind thinga and cant even use anything properly

That is to say, there is no kog server now, and those previous kog servers are the shell of ddnet?

09:23

I don't really understand what you mean, it's a bit of a barrier to comprehension because I don't speak English very well

hey xjh, idk if kog has their irc bridge or something similar to interact, but yep, ddnet is not affiliated with kog directly

yes, I thought kog was just a special mode of ddnet

09:31

Thank you guys, thank you very much for your help, I'm going to ask how other people in China set up servers

owo

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meloƞ

I'd expect them to know bash basics If they call themself Cybersecurity smth xD

I have a friend, very well compensated developer. He can't shell without chatgpt

devs these days smth

Avolicious

Mhmmm, I would need to open source everything then

I actually don't get this part. You probably do have lots of hooking into it but isn't there the ddnet server somewhere in there with your modifications including hooks? How did you even get it to not run on bare metal? Not like docker is an abstraction layer like wasm, you still use native binaries even if they can't operate without your infrastructure

Learath2

I actually don't get this part. You probably do have lots of hooking into it but isn't there the ddnet server somewhere in there with your modifications including hooks? How did you even get it to not run on bare metal? Not like docker is an abstraction layer like wasm, you still use native binaries even if they can't operate without your infrastructure

Sure, but all the data is coming from other services like Agones/K8s

10:11

So the gameserver just handles physics

10:11

We are also using quilkin

10:12

We also use SpiceDB for permissions

10:12

And map votes are being retrieved from keydb ( redis )

Well that doesn't mean you can't open source the ddnet server part with the modifications actually interesting to the wider community. You don't need to make it functional or provide any of the stuff around it if you don't want to. No?

Learath2

Well that doesn't mean you can't open source the ddnet server part with the modifications actually interesting to the wider community. You don't need to make it functional or provide any of the stuff around it if you don't want to. No?

But you have to provide proper documentation atleast

10:14

otherwise the open source project is useless for me

Mh, not everything we do is documented either. Look at the jumble of scripts that run ddnet. Anyway, just wanted to get a better understanding of why you operate the way you do

Learath2

Mh, not everything we do is documented either. Look at the jumble of scripts that run ddnet. Anyway, just wanted to get a better understanding of why you operate the way you do

because its easier to scale

Whether the ddnet part of your code is open source or not doesn't really have much to do with scaling

It does. Software has to be adopted to be scalable

I'm confused. how does the scalability of kog depend on whether you open source the kog game server?

I don't even understand that argument

Learath2

I have a friend, very well compensated developer. He can't shell without chatgpt

Oh god

heinrich5991

I'm confused. how does the scalability of kog depend on whether you open source the kog game server?

because you cant operate the KoG GameServer. You cant run it on your machine. You said its totally fine, which I agree on. But if people cant run it to develop, where is the benefit for KoG?

10:20

To run it, we need proper documentation, so people can develop stuff & test it

Why don't you just say that from the start? It makes sense now

Avolicious

because you cant operate the KoG GameServer. You cant run it on your machine. You said its totally fine, which I agree on. But if people cant run it to develop, where is the benefit for KoG?

there's no immediate benefit to kog. there's a benefit for the community. it can try running kog servers 10 or 20 years into the future

heinrich5991

there's no immediate benefit to kog. there's a benefit for the community. it can try running kog servers 10 or 20 years into the future

That's a weak argument. The answer is always, we'll release before our project dies

Learath2

That's a weak argument. The answer is always, we'll release before our project dies

when the project dies, it no longer has the resources to open source

10:21

in the common case

In case kog dies, you can have the gameserver as is. Then I dont care about any documentation anymore

see e.g. teerace. or teedata

10:22

teerace's DB vanished

What we ask of them is in essence ideological, if he doesn't agree with the ideology there isn't much of a way to convince them

The database will not be open source

teedata doesn't publish their DB anymore

never

not even after kog dies?

10:23

the rank db?

No, maybe redacted

10:23

Yeah, just the finishes maybe

heinrich5991

teerace's DB vanished

feelsbadman

10:23

the real thing is gone

but all the tickets, emails and whatsoerver will be removed

ofc (edited)

10:23

but I'm telling you from experience that it doesn't work. if you don't open something while the project, it will usually be gone when the project is dead

Those are of no value to the community anyway

I've seen plenty of teeworlds projects vanish

10:24

that's why I try to archive stuff while the projects are still running

yeah, but i can guarantee that I will send you the source as is, if kog dies

10:24

just watch your dms then

say you die in an accident

its on github

10:24

so others can do aswell

is there someone with access other than you? nice!

10:25

but what's stopping you from pressing the "make public" button now? what's the disadvantage for kog?

heinrich5991

is there someone with access other than you? nice!

An appointed successor can manage your public repositories after presenting a death certificate then waiting for 7 days or presenting an obituary then waiting for 21 days. For more information, see "GitHub Deceased User Policy."

heinrich5991

but what's stopping you from pressing the "make public" button now? what's the disadvantage for kog?

"...where is the benefit to kog?"

Learath2

"...where is the benefit to kog?"

there's a benefit to the community. maybe kog likes the community

heinrich5991

there's a benefit to the community. maybe kog likes the community

These discussions always boil down to a couple of core values. In this case it's benevolence. Liking the community doesn't mean you contribute to it with no expectation of return, unless you are benevolent

ok. maybe kog is benevolent to the community

Well we can hope

10:34

After getting involved with more career and business minded people, I've noticed that this small community we have gathered here is more an exception than the norm. We are far too open compared to anyone else I see

maybe kog will understand that as teeworlds players a lot of their user base will understand what it means to be open source and why that’s good

10:35

think of how many contributions ddnet has gotten thanks to ppl browsing free games on steam

10:35

and eventually making some stuff

Learath2

After getting involved with more career and business minded people, I've noticed that this small community we have gathered here is more an exception than the norm. We are far too open compared to anyone else I see

Why is "too open" a bad thing?

I woudln't necessarily expect contributors popping up at kog's door step just because the code is out there

you’d be surprised (edited)

10:36

lots of ppl just want to make a name for themselves in open source work now

Peter0x44

Why is "too open" a bad thing?

It's not IMO. But I've been among people with this mindset since I was 10. I'm obviously extremely biased

Yeah, I would say it's an anomaly Even among the related free games developed for decades

Learath2

It's not IMO. But I've been among people with this mindset since I was 10. I'm obviously extremely biased

is your gf foss? troll

troll

Teero

is your gf foss? troll

troll

pepeW

10:38

I should have become a cool investor

jesus

10:38

how do u cope lerato

Ewan

how do u cope lerato

Hyperfocusing on work so I don't have time to think

god if only

Lots of music so I can't hear my own thoughts when not working

Learath2

Hyperfocusing on work so I don't have time to think

Tunnel vision is actually good many times

i like the tunnel vision

10:40

i sort of realized lately that my adhd tendencies are terrible for trying to keep working at something

It's very scary how focused I can get sometimes yet sometimes I can't focus on anything and waste entire days

always hyperfocused and then burnout for increasing periods of time

Learath2

It's very scary how focused I can get sometimes yet sometimes I can't focus on anything and waste entire days

yeah

10:40

lots of it is life

Learath2

It's very scary how focused I can get sometimes yet sometimes I can't focus on anything and waste entire days

yea I have the same experience

u need multiple facets

I definitely need a very understanding and flexible boss. I will get things done, just on my timetable not yours :/

10:41

Some days I write 5 lines. Some days I get 3 days of work done

most days i wake up at 3 pm and listen to music and don’t eat and play games until my body tells me to sleep

10:42

now I get work done one in ten days at best

10:42

idk how it got like this

Peter0x44

Yeah, I would say it's an anomaly Even among the related free games developed for decades

I was like indoctrinated now that I think about it

The people who helped me while I learned programming were all almost militant open source enjoyers

Ewan

idk how it got like this

You are me, but 3 years ago. I don't have any idea how I snapped out of it, but it just randomly fixed itself. So no advice

damn

10:44

i think it would be pretty easy to get out if an employer gave me a chance

10:44

i tend to do well with a schedule

10:44

but it is near impossible to keep one with nothing to do

Waking up and seeing the sky dark was when I fixed my sleep. That is very upsetting to see

the very worst

Somedays I can wake up at four am and be productive for like 8hrs straight and one some days I can't even manage to wake up at noon

10:46

And then I'm kinda depressed that I wasted so many hours

Oh wait this isn't #off-topic

10:47

We derailed heinrich's attempt at getting avo to open source kog

it’s not happening anyway

Learath2

We derailed heinrich's attempt at getting avo to open source kog

Just the mod or everything

avo would rather make sure his product is scalable as it sits on his hard drive than usable by others in any capacity

Yeah, I fear it's a more fundamental disagreement on values that won't be resolved over a conversation

i wouldn’t be upset if kog died

10:48

maybe the ranks would be missed

Teero

Just the mod or everything

I care about just the mod

honestly the mod adds like 3 things which could be reimplemented in less than a week by a knowledgeable developer

this

2

10:49

all strong, no buffer hammer, moving freeze

10:49

what else…

U dont like kog that much huh

Ewan

lots of ppl just want to make a name for themselves in open source work now

its a valid point

my resume is 100% open source experience

10:51

but it’s not enough for these snotty ski jackoffs

Ewan

my resume is 100% open source experience

Good luck in the job market bozo. 5 years of professional experience required

if u didn’t spend at least 5 figures on tuition you can say goodbye to any glimpse of a career u had

ddnet helped me find the job i have

10:51

did the market change that much in 3 years

10:51

i already have 3y xp lol

seems you live in a less saturated market

or maybe my projects are more interesting

but what about your first job

btw they aproached me for the job

10:52

i didnt search for it

rub it in xd

Ryozuki

or maybe my projects are more interesting

Didn't you have a paypal wrapper or something? Companies love anything that involves money and payments

Ewan

but what about your first job

was like a internship u have to do

have to?

I've considered putting up a repo called "libdollar" or "libmoney"

in spain its called "grado superior" and to get the title u have to do 4 month internship

10:53

unpaid or paid

10:53

usually unpaid

Ewan

have to?

Probably part of his education, it's called a curricular internship.

ah education

10:54

good one

easiest way to get 1st job is via education

Or connections

my first job got me connectionts

10:54

to the second job

10:54

and then i had xp to get aproached by current job

Ryozuki

easiest way to get 1st job is via education

so funny

Ewan

so funny

I'll hire you dw

don’t tease me

Learath2

Good luck in the job market bozo. 5 years of professional experience required

This catch 22 is just ridiculous, and I can't tell who it benefits

employers want devs with field experience because the standard of education is getting lower and lower

It doesn't seem like a matter of convenience, or necessity for anyone

Peter0x44

This catch 22 is just ridiculous, and I can't tell who it benefits

HR costs are lower when you can just discard a lot of resumes outright

I guess the filters are for me

And yeah universities produce horrible software engineers

10:57

But thank god they learned electromagnetism and chemistry

right

This is how all the "get a job" advice feels

Image attachment

yea

10:58

10 keywords for your resume

But have you considered building one?

not so easy without experience

Then you'll get web development job offers

feelsbadman

Or I see "the cloud"

It's all AI this cloud that

Exactly what am I supposed to learn about "the cloud" Programming I can get and learn, I can see what it means, the cloud seems like just learning what each of Google, oracle, Amazon, Microsoft's marketing buzzwords mean

11:00

It's not... Anything It's all overwhelming and I don't know what to begin or do

it’s mainly a corporate circle jerk

11:00

yes there are some things that might separate the cloud from other established techs but it’s mostly marketing built on top of web tech

Peter0x44

Exactly what am I supposed to learn about "the cloud" Programming I can get and learn, I can see what it means, the cloud seems like just learning what each of Google, oracle, Amazon, Microsoft's marketing buzzwords mean

If you want a devops or it job I hear cloud certifications can help. And btw you do need some experience with those things to get a job in that area, the AWS and GCP consoles were created for a different breed of human

11:01

It feels like operating a spaceship, mostly so you lose track of what you are doing and spend thousands

Image attachment

11:02

How many words can they make up for the same thing

they have teams of people whose only job it is to come up with said names

Another friend of mine works at a mid-large company, a colleague of his made a configuration error that cost almost 200k$ over the weekend

where do u think those billions go

Learath2

It feels like operating a spaceship, mostly so you lose track of what you are doing and spend thousands

Yeah it does seem like the purpose is to swindle you at least slightly

11:03

Not even slightly

Peter0x44

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I only know the GCP names of things, and a couple AWS equivalents

this stuff kinda turns my stomach

Me too

11:05

I see this and feel anxiety

seems like a lot of it is created for the sole purpose of giving people something to do

11:06

more people need more jobs

11:06

and i get it

11:06

but damn

I like the ideas behind some of it, I'm not the biggest enjoyer of how corporate is though

i know MLIR so i got my niche

11:07

and LLVM

11:07

someone from intel.com aproached me

u told us

Like serverless architectures (Lambda, Cloud Functions) are a cute idea or Event driven architectures (pub/sub)

no need to flex more

owo

Ur depressing Ewan with your job prospects

i rly am happy for u but the last thing i wanna hear about is how well ur career is going

do more projects

impossible

Honestly, I agree. Do more projects and apply to smaller places where they can actually take time to look at your portfolio

but not typical web projects

11:09

do something more interesting

I've been trying for a month, submitted 15, and am still yet to talk to a real person

give up and get a job at the grocery store

11:09

this market is not for us

Because amazon, google, facebook and those kinds are just mass discarding resumes with some algorithm

It might be okay if it were just Amazon, Google, and Facebook

unless u come from some kind of money or incredible willpower to work on projects nonstop there’s basically no way

Some mid sized local companies still respect decent university names, so you can try the education route

Peter0x44

I've been trying for a month, submitted 15, and am still yet to talk to a real person

The earlier friend I mentioned who doesn't shell without gpt submitted a whopping 400 applications before landing his job

11:11

He always tells me I'm not applying enough. He must be right

I'm straight up unable to do that

11:14

I don't have the mental stamina required to write 400 cover letters

The fucking cover letters

11:14

God

I might as well give up already if that's what it takes

i can’t even write one

All of that effort for 99.75% of them to go in a shredder

Not all jobs require them. But he is a gpt enjoyer, he probably wrote like 5 cover letters and made gpt remix and adjust them per job

i am taking a kind of employment counseling from someone who says otherwise

11:15

apparently millennials were taught they don’t matter as much but when many of them went to apply employers were looking for them

11:16

and they’re still ‘in’

11:16

market differs in places tho

Learath2

He always tells me I'm not applying enough. He must be right

thats true, apply everywhere even if u dont meet

11:16

requirements

I didn't say they don't matter. I said not all places require them

i never wrote a cover letter

well it’s hard to tell where it will and won’t matter

11:17

and 9 times out of 10 it strengthens your application anyway

Ryozuki

i never wrote a cover letter

yes they reached out to u

i applied to jobs too

Ryozuki

thats true, apply everywhere even if u dont meet

For big big companies it might be a waste of your time. Their ai hr will discard your resume immediately when it can't spot your 5 years of work experience. But in general yeah just apply everywhere

they also play the big game

11:17

they bot the messages

11:17

so u play the game too

11:18

the hr guy wont notice

Exactly. If you need a cover letter. Just gpt it. They wont hesitate to have gpt read it

the recruiter definitely will notice a cover letter

gpt it

Learath2

Exactly. If you need a cover letter. Just gpt it. They wont hesitate to have gpt read it

i hate this world

11:19

i don’t wanna play that fucking game

11:19

i just wanna be honest

Ewan

well it’s hard to tell where it will and won’t matter

it doesn't matter for big companies

11:19

for smaller companies, maybe

(I don't mean gpt it as the zoozers do it for their homework, do it properly, use it as a tool, dont make it so the entire thing)

I had one point where I had to record videos talking into a camera

i did one of those

11:20

terrible vibes

The rejection I got said something like "due to volume of applicants, we don't give feedback to candidates we don't interview"

Peter0x44

I had one point where I had to record videos talking into a camera

Hahahah, me too, we applied for a couple startup accelerators so we had to make a video for those

Peter0x44

The rejection I got said something like "due to volume of applicants, we don't give feedback to candidates we don't interview"

and if you fail you’re likely to be weeded out from that company forever

11:21

retailers are notorious for that

I don't think so

11:21

But I don't know

Peter0x44

The rejection I got said something like "due to volume of applicants, we don't give feedback to candidates we don't interview"

This no feedback thing is awful. There should be a law forcing them to tell you what's wrong imo

Here's the wording in the email:

We regret to advise you that the position you have applied for has been filled and we will not be progressing with your application on this occasion. We have really enjoyed finding out more about you, your skills and experience and appreciate the time you have taken to apply.

Due to the volume of applications we receive, we only provide feedback for candidates who reach the interview stage.

nobody watched your application

"has been filled" you mean to tell me they already interviewed people by the time I got the rejection?

11:21

Was this position even real?

11:22

Probably not

Peter0x44

"has been filled" you mean to tell me they already interviewed people by the time I got the rejection?

it could be an internal transfer, i had that happened to me once

And discussing this with family is like "the world doesn't owe you" and similar irritation

you talk to your parents about this? xd

Peter0x44

And discussing this with family is like "the world doesn't owe you" and similar irritation

This is something I've been pondering a while. It sounds sane when people say it, but my opinion is that it's actually false. I do believe the world does owe me some things to a certain extent

I think the world owes everyone everything

11:24

class warfare is real but that debate I won't elaborate here

I'll disagree with the everything part, but things like healthcare, elderlycare, fulfillment in ones existence, etc are imo things the world/society does owe you

agree

11:26

that's basically what I meant by "everything" anyway

11:26

and the world is currently failing at this, on an enormous scale

Peter0x44

class warfare is real but that debate I won't elaborate here

the truth

11:28

ppl love to think it’s all about hard work

11:28

but there are simply no realistic paths for growth at places where the lower class starts

(I also believe you owe the world some work, that's the deal I believe in, I contribute so that you take care of me)

yeah

11:29

there are too many people on this damn planet

Ewan

but there are simply no realistic paths for growth at places where the lower class starts

For your specific case, I suggest you find what niche you want to do and really do some portfolio projects, something you can point at if you get an interview. And try smaller companies as small and local as possible, the faster you can get to a face to face or phone interview the better (edited)

maybe

11:31

but everyone in my family has worked hard their whole adult life and still has to work for the rest of their existence

11:32

to live a sub par life

Our kinds of CVs are very niche. They look awful to big corpo hr. You need to get to someone with technical knowledge to look at it somehow

Ewan

to live a sub par life

Yeah, that is a little beyond the scope of what us here can hope to fix. That's the new deal

this is probably why the U.S. military is so successful

11:33

so many people struggle badly enough where they grasp for something that just gives them direction no matter the consequences

a lot of people choose it for funding for univerisity degrees and such

11:33

no one with options would choose that, it's the "poverty draft"

The US military isn't actually a horrible career track if you don't mind contributing to turning poor people in the middle east into pink mist

I talked to a relevant professional about my experience and he pointed to his nephew who lived with him and joined the military, who now is in the middle of some heavily guided training for a career

11:35

which sounds fine but i don’t want to turn people into mist

11:35

or be affiliated with that at all

11:36

fuck me for being driven by principle i guess

justatest

1

Have you considered an injection of patriotism?

no but i have considered milking this country for what I can and just going to prison for a long time

kek

1

11:37

they feed you and give you a routine

11:37

what more do u rly need

US prisons suck, first migrate to norway

yea well i commit a crime there and I’ll be returned to U.S. most likely

Or become extremely rich, then commit tax fraud. Those prisons are really nice

if only

https://github.com/Mr-Wiseguy/N64Recomp damn, someone took my idea and made it a thing

GitHub - Mr-Wiseguy/N64Recomp: Tool to statically recompile N64 gam...

Tool to statically recompile N64 games into native executables - Mr-Wiseguy/N64Recomp

11:50

Well not exactly what I had planned but still very close

sad

11:50

3k already

11:51

was at 1.4 or something when i starred it like 2 days ago

It emits C per instruction, then relies on the compiler to reoptimize it

hmmm

11:51

is that safe

I was planning to lift the assembly into LLVM IR

Ewan

is that safe

It is, because of the "as-if" rule. The compiler isn't allowed to change the observable behaviour of the program when optimizing

well good

Learath2

Like serverless architectures (Lambda, Cloud Functions) are a cute idea or Event driven architectures (pub/sub)

it's kinda like good ol' php files. just drop them via some file transfer protocol

I'm unsure how well it optimizes though. Already optimized code does lose context that might make it hard for the compiler to reason about it

what does it do about what are usually hardware subsystems

11:53

video, input, sound

heinrich5991

it's kinda like good ol' php files. just drop them via some file transfer protocol

Heh, perhaps that's why I find it cute. I'm used to thinking in the PHP manner

the php deployment is honestly just insanely good

Ewan

what does it do about what are usually hardware subsystems

Probably not supported, iirc those things are mmio controlled in the N64

Uch

Lamba functions are kinda like a php script running on a server that can spin down and spin up for requests

11:55

Lambda*

bedtime

@heinrich5991 do you know if there is any way to manipulate the virtual memory mappings of a process from userspace? I know mmap can allow some things

in linux?

Yes

Learath2

@heinrich5991 do you know if there is any way to manipulate the virtual memory mappings of a process from userspace? I know mmap can allow some things

of your own process? or of others?

I'm wondering if I can do things like map a physical piece of ram twice in a row e.g.

heinrich5991

of your own process? or of others?

own process

yes, should be able to map the same memory twice

11:58

mmap

mmap requires it to be backed by a file though, no?

there's MAP_ANONYMOUS

but I can't refer to a MAP_ANONYMOUS again without there being a file that refers to it iirc, no?

but according to stackoverflow, you want a shm object as FD: https://stackoverflow.com/a/71781135/870079

How to map two virtual adresses on the same physical memory on linux?

I'm facing a quite tricky problem. I'm trying to get 2 virtual memory areas pointing to the same physical memory. The point is to have different page protection parameters on different memory areas...

memfd_create looks interesting

in windows you do this with named memory mapped objects

12:00

they exist in a global namespace

12:00

it’s quite hacky

12:01

can also share handles

Learath2

memfd_create looks interesting

what do you need it for?

whatever it is, it sounds interesting

12:03

(and tricky wrt. compilers)

heinrich5991

what do you need it for?

whatever it is, it sounds interesting

First time I pondered this question was when I was thinking about abusing it to make a ring buffer without having to do a division

12:04

If the ring buffer truly appears to be infinite to the process, then there is no need to modulo

infinite isn't really possible though

Second time I had mappings come up was when I was thinking of how I would map a gameboy cartridge inside memory, it would be nice if all memory access didn't require me to map the address in userspace

heinrich5991

infinite isn't really possible though

Yes, I did notice that later, but just having two of them in a row would allow writing blocks that can cross the discontinuity

yup

So I wouldn't get my no modulo one, but I would get a cute ringbuffer that actually appears continuous

@Learath2 i think llvm can still optimize more if the target is different from the original right

Ryozuki

@Learath2 i think llvm can still optimize more if the target is different from the original right

It can, the only problem I can think of is that llvm if given the original code may have taken a different branch of optimization that is now no longer obvious

12:12

I don't know enough about how llvm optimizes code and about compiler theory to know if the optimal form of a program is unique or whether llvm can backtrack when optimizing

12:13

Say whatever they compiled with unrolled a loop, but it's more optimal to vectorize that code on the new target. Can it roll it back up and vectorize I wonder

@louis ZOOBIS ZEAR

12:17

SHROOBIS SPHERE

my egg

hello

what u doing

just chillin at my place

12:18

waiting for a flight

12:18

Just deep cleaned the whole thing cuz im moving out

sweet

12:18

where u going

12:18

home?

san antonio

️

12:18

yea parents place for the summer

not so bad

12:18

long as u got ac right

12:18

lol

ya fs

have a good 1 man im off to bed

Thats what everyones money goes to down there

justatest

1

12:19

peace

How would I go about offering to re-make the @DDNet bot heh

heh

in typescript

I see no reason for a rewrite

From one interpreted language to another

12:56

Huge change

heinrich5991

I see no reason for a rewrite

I see a couple

12:57

mainly, the bot being out of date

12:57

$points Sans3108

Image attachment

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Sans

mainly, the bot being out of date

is that somethign that cannot be fixed with an incremental update?

heinrich5991

is that somethign that cannot be fixed with an incremental update?

im not sure, it's all written in python

12:58

also it could be made nicer :p

Why doesn't it show correct data btw?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

12:58

also I could make a version of the bot which has user installable commands

12:59

which look like this and can be used anywhere

Image attachment

this all doesn't sound like a reason for a rewrite

12:59

you can write a bot in typescript if you want

12:59

but rewriting the existing bot doesn't sound fruitful, mostly wasted time

I'm just saying, it can be much nicer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

13:00

I'm gonna make something myself at some point but I probably won't host it anywhere

Sans

How would I go about offering to re-make the @DDNet bot heh

heh

in typescript

A major waste of time, cuz I already rewrite our current bot.

Sans

I'm just saying, it can be much nicer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

why can it not be much nicer in python?

Sans

I'm just saying, it can be much nicer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And after maintaining for a while it will look the same as current bot

13:01

But it will be in ts

murpi

A major waste of time, cuz I already rewrite our current bot.

Why doesn't it work then?

murpi

A major waste of time, cuz I already rewrite our current bot.

I didn't know that lol

MilkeeyCat

Why doesn't it work then?

because i'm not done yet

Oh, ure still writing it

heinrich5991

why can it not be much nicer in python?

I'm pretty sure most discord libs for python are lacking some features (edited)

I mean, the points and everything related (i.e profiles) is pretty much done since last month, but I keep finding more stuff that could be changed/improved (edited)

Sans

I'm pretty sure most discord libs for python are lacking some features (edited)

interesting. why do you think so? python is a very popular language, probably also for writing discord bots

@heinrich5991 gave me more ideas to implement just yesterday which im currently working on

heinrich5991

interesting. why do you think so? python is a very popular language, probably also for writing discord bots

After the stuff with discord.py I'm not so sure

13:04

pretty sure at some point the dev just didnt want to implement slash commands

How about rewrite in COBOL poggers

poggers

Sans

pretty sure at some point the dev just didnt want to implement slash commands

That was true maybe 2 years ago xd

murpi

That was true maybe 2 years ago xd

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

13:06

I don't trust python with anything discord related every since

im actually converting all commands into slash/app commands btw

murpi

im actually converting all commands into slash/app commands btw

neat

13:07

you planning to use message components, or context commands?

They'd be all ephemeral too, resulting in significantly less server spam

that's sorta bad, how are people supposed to know there's a bot xd

Sans

you planning to use message components, or context commands?

Both, some commands are hybrids

Sans

that's sorta bad, how are people supposed to know there's a bot xd

We have #bot-cmds?

13:08

There's also rightclick menu -> apps

yea but if people dont see any commands being used they're less likely to think there even is a bot to use

I'm wiping #bot-cmds and add an index with all available commands

alright ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

does anyone know why I can't find the simd function _mm_shuffle_pi8 in rust? (http://intel-intrinsics.dpldocs.info/inteli.tmmintrin._mm_shuffle_pi8.html) I even found an old usage of it in packed_simd: https://github.com/gnzlbg/packed_simd/blob/7486a9c3425c1e90d591214f9f86156d8f7865ac/src/codegen/shuffle_bytes.rs#L35

according to git log -S _mm_shuffle_pi8 in the rust repository, it has never existed

13:59

I don't know specifics about simd in rust. perhaps just and oversight?

14:00

I generally see no _pi8 functions in the list on the left: https://doc.rust-lang.org/1.78.0/core/arch/x86_64/fn._mm_shuffle_epi8.html

_mm_shuffle_epi8 in core::arch::x86_64 - Rust

Shuffles bytes from a according to the content of b.

hm that occurence in packed_simd is probably not from rust's core

14:01

I didn't notice that it doesn't use the full path with core::

14:02

I guess I'll open an issue and ask

sounds good

14:05

apparently the one in rust comes from https://github.com/rust-lang/portable-simd

uhm

14:07

I think this is relevant: https://github.com/rust-lang/stdarch/pull/890

Bye bye MMX! by mati865 · Pull Request #890 · rust-lang/stdarch

Fixes #823

so not supported on x86_64?

it appears so

lol

@Ryozuki my wiki entry was accepted :o

14:20

dabs

its hard to not be accepted

justatest

1

14:21

ur edits are now auto accepted btw

i saw - time to rm -rf

14:21

justatest

u cant

14:21

u can delete but i can revert

feelsbadman

14:21

i cant even grief, gg

(also obviously, please don't)

kek

1

14:22

there are even off-site backups of the wiki

god damn it! :D

Did something regarding map changes change on the network side?

fokkonaut

Did something regarding map changes change on the network side?

Only thing I can think of is the early flush robyt3 added

suddenly map design switching (sending a map change) doesnt seem to work reliably anymore and client is stuck in sending initial client info

mh, that wouldn't be related then

weird

is it for all clients?

https://formal.land/blog/2024/04/26/translation-core-alloc-crates

Translation of the Rust's core and alloc crates | Formal Land

We continue our work on formal verification of Rust programs with our tool coq-of-rust, to translate Rust code to the formal proof system Coq. One of the limitation we had was the handling of primitive constructs from the standard library of Rust, like Option::unwrapordefault or all other primitive functions. For each of these functions, we had ...

16:02

was this shared?

16:02

@Jupstar ✪ imagine formally verified ddnet

Learath2

is it for all clients?

no, ddnet only, got reported recently and i just experienced it the first time in 18.2

16:02

after i updated

16:02

in 18.1 it worked

16:03

you can try it on my server, /design dark

16:05

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8271

The first snapshot the server sends contains unregistered ddnet ex ...

Commenting this line out or turning on debug mode shows errors on the first connection to a server. After reconnect they are gone. ddnet/src/engine/client/client.cpp Line 2003 in c22ba00 if(g_Confi...

16:05

possibly this @Learath2 ?

16:06

well idk, might not be related

unlikely to be that (edited)

mh, I don't think it's related either

heinrich5991

I see no reason for a rewrite

RIIR is da reason :P

fokkonaut

possibly this @Learath2 ?

I guess when you have a minute the fastest way to figure this out is just a bisect

zhn

RIIR is da reason :P

do inital PR gigachad

gigachad

also im sorry for interrupting you guys, but had anyone experience with cross-building docker images for raspberry pi?

Learath2

I guess when you have a minute the fastest way to figure this out is just a bisect

true yea

300~ commits between 18.1 and 18.2 that's only 8-9 steps to bisect

zhn

also im sorry for interrupting you guys, but had anyone experience with cross-building docker images for raspberry pi?

i just don't want to compile 1000+ c/cpp files on this lil thing

no experience

sad

zhn

i just don't want to compile 1000+ c/cpp files on this lil thing

are you looking for a way to do it or how to do it efficiently? i did that with docker Buildx, because my VPS was weak as hell and compiling ddnet would've taken approx 10-15 minutes :D

both, since rpi is arm based

16:11

and it not such a nutcracker for compiling huge projects :p

zhn

both, since rpi is arm based

my host machine is x86_64 and rpi is arm64

16:12

i tried to use tutorial guide from docker documentation but its outdated lulz

zhn

both, since rpi is arm based

you'd just do docker buildx build --platform linux/arm64 -t container:latest or smth ig

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ imagine formally verified ddnet

that would be insane. and insanely hard

maybe even harder than the rust stuff

meloƞ

you'd just do docker buildx build --platform linux/arm64 -t container:latest or smth ig

it hangs on not finding /bin/sh, idk why

16:13

ill try one more time though

Image attachment

16:26

My 18.2 win x64 client crash every time even with a fresh download. Is that a common problem? I did not find the crash log if there is any

Night_L

My 18.2 win x64 client crash every time even with a fresh download. Is that a common problem? I did not find the crash log if there is any

There should be a crash log in the dumps folder in your config dir

16:43

$configdir

DDNet config directory & settings_ddnet.cfg location:

On Windows: Old: %appdata%\Teeworlds New: %appdata%\DDNet On Linux: Old: ~/.teeworlds New: ~/.local/share/ddnet On macOS: Old: ~/Library/Application Support/Teeworlds New: ~/Library/Application Support/DDNet The settings_ddnet.cfg file contains all your friends, control, player & game settings.

I know. It is empty.

16:43

Already checked it the very first moment

16:43

Sth is wrong before the log system works

Hmm, maybe a driver problem then. Update your graphics drivers, install all available windows updates, then reboot

Will do. But I might find the problem

where does ddnet save files to on linux?

16:48

i don't even have a .teeworlds folder somehow

Right in the game start moment, my windows got updated and it may break sth before it is correctly installed

louis

where does ddnet save files to on linux?

~/.local/share/ddnet/

DDNet

Click to see attachment 🖼️

^

16:48

xd

oh

16:48

i don't look above the bottom message

even in appdata Teeworlds is legacy btw

I think the current path needs to be updated inside the map editor then

16:50

hmm i can't find it even in .local/share/ddnet

In which version was the config folder moved?

louis

I think the current path needs to be updated inside the map editor then

which path does it use there for you

Night_L

In which version was the config folder moved?

dunno long ago.. smth with 15 or 16

.teeworlds/maps

16.1

louis

.teeworlds/maps

well then that path exist

16:51

then it uses ~/.teeworlds

16:52

it uses teeworlds dir when it already existed before

16:52

else it uses the new paths

16:52

$configdir

DDNet config directory & settings_ddnet.cfg location:

On Windows: Old: %appdata%\Teeworlds New: %appdata%\DDNet On Linux: Old: ~/.teeworlds New: ~/.local/share/ddnet On macOS: Old: ~/Library/Application Support/Teeworlds New: ~/Library/Application Support/DDNet The settings_ddnet.cfg file contains all your friends, control, player & game settings.

that's why there is Old and New

it doesnt exist

I c. Did not even realize the move

i think im not schizo but i dont see it

louis

it doesnt exist

mh

16:53

open terminal do ls -l ~/.teeworlds (edited)

16:53

maybe it's hidden by your file explorer

16:54

if u use KDE CTRL + H

Image attachment

16:54

tbf i'm using the version from gnome software library because i wanted to see if it was any different (edited)

16:54

it might be some dumb thing w that

when u start the client it should tell which path it uses actually

16:55

Image attachment

ye none of them exist

lmao how buggy is that version

16:56

maybe they use some kind of sandboxing

16:56

so it ends up in some very weird directory

16:56

u could try to find it manually

ye thats what i was thinking

locate settings_ddnet.cfg

i think flatpak puts it in some obscure ass container -.-

16:58

Image attachment

u can use

16:58

ls -lt | head -n 6

16:59

to list the last 6 modified file after a new demo or sth

Night_L

My 18.2 win x64 client crash every time even with a fresh download. Is that a common problem? I did not find the crash log if there is any

are you on linux btw?

No, not now. I am using a server to train machine learning model. Linux desktop is not handy

I disagree with the last part but anyway: Did earlier versions worked? Do they still work? Do you use steam or website?

troll

1

Do you mean client on linux? It worked back in 2018. IDK now, i am inactive

mh ok, i just wondered if u played a few days ago before 18.2 dropped

Uh, you mean client crash? Well, it worked just fine 5 min ago and sth is wrong after I hit the update button in settings. It showed "no update" after that but without restart and I knew something was wrong. Then crashed after restart

ffs ddnet wont build anymore rn xd

17:17

@Learath2 could u try to bisect

Night_L

Uh, you mean client crash? Well, it worked just fine 5 min ago and sth is wrong after I hit the update button in settings. It showed "no update" after that but without restart and I knew something was wrong. Then crashed after restart

oh ok that's weird, was your old client rather old or new?

I believe it is early 17. After the crash, I downloaded a fresh 18.2/17.2 from website but all crash.

mh maybe rename DDnet/Teeworlds in appdata

17:20

and maybe try nightly: https://ddnet.org/downloads/DDNet-nightly-win64.zip

Tried. Still crash. Will try nightly

Night_L

Tried. Still crash. Will try nightly

Nightly crash

What are your computer specs?

really weird

17:24

Acer Swift SFX14-41G. AMD ryzen 7 5800U, RTX 3050

newest driver from nvidia.com directly?

yes

any third party stuff running? mouse overlays or smth?

17:25

anti virus?

17:25

else try to append:

gfx_gl_major 1
gfx_backend opengl

to settings_ddnet.cfg (or create that file if not exists)

17:25

Also restart your computer over "Restart" not shutdown

17:26

if none of that helps, throw the pc out of window

Nice

17:31

I guess there should be a log when updating client in-game. Sth must happened during that

if u use a fresh client and fresh config directory then the ingame updater is irrelevant

fokkonaut

@Learath2 could u try to bisect

I'm not in the mood to get up and get to my computer rn, sorry

np

fokkonaut

np

Whats the issue anyway?

Jupstar ✪

if u use a fresh client and fresh config directory then the ingame updater is irrelevant

IDK. When the crash happened, I switched to ddnet.old and it worked. And I pressed update again :<

Learath2

Whats the issue anyway?

client doesnt reconnect properly after /design

17:33

it stays in "sending initial client info" after downloading the map

I meant with the bisect

ah

17:33

my ddnet doesnt build

Night_L

I believe it is early 17. After the crash, I downloaded a fresh 18.2/17.2 from website but all crash.

but here u said a fresh 17.2 still crashed

Night_L

Nice

anyway i assume something fixed it? what was it

fokkonaut

my ddnet doesnt build

I can't really fix that

xdxd

Jupstar ✪

anyway i assume something fixed it? what was it

Not really. I just download a even older version of ddnet. 15.4 works.

wtf

Surprise (edited)

17:40

Ok, I will press in-game update. Let's see what will happen

dont do it lmao

17:41

clearly new versions are broken for you

WTF, it works! Hahaha Why!?

❓ XD if it works, it works (edited)

i don't question that

heya tees

heya visitor

is this channel used very often?

yeah, we often plan revolutions and stuff here

visitor

is this channel used very often?

Welcome! We have multiple lovely Souls Here! And while ddnet is a Mix of c++ Python and Rust - we agreed on calling Rust Superior in every aspect (this is a Joke btw) Ryozuki is Our daily information source, He regularly sends Wiki articles to enjoy to Our morning Coffee and has lovely fishies. Learath is a great source of information aswell If you want to Hear about stuff where understanding Takes ages! MilkeeyCar with His Obsession over Milk Jupsti with His Obsession over Lots of lines of Code at a time And many Others! (edited)

mine is the shortest

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MilkeeyCat

mine is the shortest

everyone who i didnt mention rn: angy

angy

meloƞ

everyone who i didnt mention rn: angy

angy

u even wrote my name wrong feelsbadman

feelsbadman

fixed - ty

car

kek

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i remember how llm didnt want to give answer about C++ because it was unsafe kek

kek

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i just find it funny that such a video is rated NSFW (To give you an age-appropriate experience on YouTube, content that isn’t suitable for viewers under 18 is age-restricted.)

u can write in python, js, lua without verifying age. but if you want to write in c, c++, rust u gotta verify ur age justatest

justatest

MilkeeyCat

u can write in python, js, lua without verifying age. but if you want to write in c, c++, rust u gotta verify ur age justatest

justatest

justatest

all that memory jiggling really be nsfw sometimes

why does C threads exist

19:15

can we delete them

delete cthreads; _Segmentation fault

MilkeeyCat

mine is the shortest

at least you have yours

p threads

Chairn

at least you have yours

We almost never Talk justatest

justatest

20:07

We usually Just Spam someone If they need Help async kek

kek

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8369 Pylint possibly-used-before-assignment detections in copy_fix.py

Seems like pylint got updated so the style check fails on master currently. ``` pylint 3.2.0 astroid 3.2.0 Python 3.8.10 (default, Nov 22 2023, 10:22:35) [GCC 9.4.0] * Module copy_fix scripts/languages/copy_fix.py:16:35: E0606: Possibly using variable 'local' before assignment (possibly-used-before-assignment) scripts/languages/copy_fix.py:20:4: E0606: Possibly using variable 'supported' before assignment (possibly-used-before-assignment) ----------------------------...

Jupstar ✪

yeah, we often plan revolutions and stuff here

When is the next one?

20:51

owo

Teero

When is the next one?

yesterday

Ryozuki

p threads

fucking mutexs ouch

ouch

well that’s not a C thing

22:57

it’s a fundamental multithreading thing

22:57

you can write code to avoid the use of locks/mutexes

rayon makes that easy in rust

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