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Overlord

God, Im glad this bullshit ended, especially considering, it was just a big showoff, which would be fine... if it was for 5 minutes

wdym with showoff??? tf

CeoGran

wdym with showoff??? tf

Ddnet players try not to hate everything from their guts challenge (impossible)

Krumplee

Ddnet players try not to hate everything from their guts challenge (impossible)

not that easy surrounded by dummy players

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04:15

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Zelensky

good night man, take care! love ya too no homo

nice pfp

04:17

oh nvm

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why does steam

05:54

randomly replace

05:55

native game version

05:55

with a windows version

05:55

wtf

TsFreddie

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Does the bread have cheese, and that thing on the right... is it a coleslaw with egg?

Overlord

Does the bread have cheese, and that thing on the right... is it a coleslaw with egg?

panini and porridge

Man, KFC really operates like a random restaurant over there? Or all of them have this in menu?

06:14

So You always eat at same KfC, or tried other localisations?

catxplosion

they are the same

06:15

do you know how chains work?

pilonpl

why does steam

why does @pilonpl split their posts in multiple lines?

because

07:23

i am confused

07:23

why would steam do that

This is considered spam

Fussel

why does @pilonpl split their posts in multiple lines?

It's a zoomer thing

Mugi-chan✰

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source?

Fussel

why does @pilonpl split their posts in multiple lines?

stream of consciousness

07:51

people write as they think

07:52

just like they talk as they think

07:52

this isn’t some forum

TsFreddie

do you know how chains work?

I do, but i dont know how they work in chainah! ( + personally southern poland KFC tastes different than nothern )

Learath2

It's a zoomer thing

i do that too

07:59

catxplosion

Kero

source?

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source

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Ewan

stream of consciousness

they can do so without pressing enter in between, right?

why?

08:12

maybe something someone else says will effect the rest of their thought

08:13

and sometimes message timing can be used as a cue

Kero

source?

google lense

Oh

08:30

no

08:30

anyway

08:30

Ngl its weird writing like that

TsFreddie

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fred i think u should start eating better

TsFreddie

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As long as its not fast food, you are fine I guess.

08:50

We all pick our own poison

Ewan

fred i think u should start eating better

why

Good question actually, why do we want to eat healthy

08:53

For me, I eat about everything. Meat, Vegetables, fast food, etc. The problem with it is how I can burn those calories justatest

justatest

catxplosion

what's wrong with breakfast being carb heavy

nothing, I guess the problem starts with remaining fit while consuming large amounts of food

catxplosion

Sticker

08:55

eat responsibly thumbsup

thumbsup

this morning i walked 6km

08:57

and yesterday i ran 3 km

08:57

im starting to feel healthy

09:00

the problem is that i have very bbad cardio

09:00

when i tried to exercise after warming up my heart rate was 190

09:01

190

HOLY

09:01

jeesus

yes thats crazy

09:02

i havent left the house for two years

how is your heart not popping out? maybe your pupils 100%

wdym

I cannot even get above 150, when Im stressed during talk, thats the max stress I get

09:03

And I think 190 is literally a panic attack lvl

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TsFreddie

why

if u eat good food u feel good

I haven't left house for 3/4 of year and now i can't run. But easy walk 15 km.

Cellegen

And I think 190 is literally a panic attack lvl

panic like purple panic from ddnet

Nik_Hard

I haven't left house for 3/4 of year and now i can't run. But easy walk 15 km.

pepeW

panic like xpanic

cyberFighter

panic like purple panic from ddnet

owo

panic attack like tf2

panic attack like

Learath2

It's a zoomer thing

instant messaging thing troll

troll

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what is this idiot gonna cook now

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vareniki

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09:33

bean filled stew

09:34

Yeah fuck eating healthy lol

justatest

imagine being healthy

tho I do have some veggies here, I can just use it

i've been coughing for months

I do all the time at work

09:35

we have this issue where the top part of the metal board is so dusty, that we all cough or sneeze more often

09:36

One day I decided to clean it, well all workers surprisingly didnt sneeze once that day lol

09:36

Also let me cook

let him cook

dumbduck

this /w bread, yum

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justatest

this /w bread and hot pepper, yum

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10:18

bullets flying outside the window, explosions

10:18

owo

no way

10:39

i was cleaning by keyboard

10:39

and i lost one keycap

10:39

the one that is in between "d" and "g"

10:39

LOL

pilonpl

and i lost one keycap

Hahahah this Happens way to.often

10:39

I Press my f Key

10:39

Just to assert dominance

type in ph instead of f

Phuck

10:40

Phatass

ok

10:40

i found it

i'm tired

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12:15

wow

12:16

thats the only level left

12:16

nice

12:20

i have no idea how to solve this lol

pilonpl

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what game is that and what primitives do you have to work with?

Human Resource Machine

12:22

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12:23

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12:23

i can copy to 23

12:23

but also copy to the address that is stored at 23

12:24

with square brackets

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how long can your program be? arbitrarily long?

255 commands is the limit i think

12:26

but there is also a challenge to use 28 commands or fewer

12:27

i guess i could try dividing the number by 2

12:28

and then the remainder by 3

12:28

i mean

12:29

not the remainder

12:29

but

making jank

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pilonpl

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:D by the creators of world of goo

yessss

13:28

their games are so polished

13:28

the whole experience feels complete

pilonpl

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Do you know how to factorize numbers in general? And what's the maximum number possible

not really, 255 probably

Hmm

13:30

First thing is that you have to only check prime factors until 16

13:30

If you found none then the number itself is a prime

13:30

And knowing this you can just iterate from 2 to 16 or something

ok

13:31

but then there is still this whole thing of actually getting the factors

How do you do modular division is another interesting question though

sub as long as i can

white "o" sus

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justatest

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having "../../something" as a relative path is no better

doesn't matter - test program, won't move it (edited)

still a bad practice justatest

justatest

yes

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godot's built-in high-level multiplayer is kinda bad

i feel like godot is just way too complicated

14:17

why would i need so many different nodes

14:17

and signals

14:17

are nodes really a good idea?

guy

14:20

s

14:21

how i can download more maps on my server?

салями UwU

how i can download more maps on my server?

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps

GitHub - ddnet/ddnet-maps: All released maps on DDraceNetwork, see ...

All released maps on DDraceNetwork, see also https://ddnet.org/releases/ and https://maps.ddnet.org/ - ddnet/ddnet-maps

14:22

All the maps we have ever released are here, you can download and put them into your maps folder

Learath2

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps

i dosnt know english good(((

what language do you speak? perhaps you can use https://deepl.com/ to translate?

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Learath2

All the maps we have ever released are here, you can download and put them into your maps folder

but in zip only cfg

14:22

and folders

14:22

2-3

14:23

ahhhhh

14:23

so bad for me(

thumbsup

14:23

mh the zip has the maps, not just config

14:23

maps inside folder

e.g. in types/brutal/maps

wait pls guys

14:24

im download

14:24

ok?

ok

pilonpl

why would i need so many different nodes

huh?

pilonpl

i feel like godot is just way too complicated

you can use scratch, ppl say it's less hard

where and what?

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14:39

data?

салями UwU

where and what?

Press windows start and search for "run" Type "appdata" Go into Roaming folder, then DDNet

pilonpl

are nodes really a good idea?

they are, they allow fabs

14:45

but its better

14:45

prefabs

14:45

if u understand how it works it makes lot of sense

14:45

scenes/nodes

Blade

Press windows start and search for "run" Type "appdata" Go into Roaming folder, then DDNet

in ddnet folder enter files from zip?

No man. All downloaded maps are in the AppData

14:46

Google how to find appdata folder

14:46

I tried to explain

oh

I'm not at my PC to send u screenshots

oke

14:47

sorry, im try to understand xd

14:47

bad english, u know

14:50

thx, now i try start server

Салам молекум есть кто живой и русский ,

15:03

Ладно скажу по другому

15:03

Hello everyone, I certainly don’t know English well, but more or less)

салями UwU

where and what?

inside types

I hope at least someone understands me?

СалямиUWU пхпхпхп

15:24

Лучший ник

VladicAladic

Hello everyone, I certainly don’t know English well, but more or less)

cool story

VladicAladic

Салам молекум есть кто живой и русский ,

нє

15:56

нету

молекум

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16:33

But like

16:33

I don't think corporations pullute the air for no reason

give me moni ill drive electric car

Even watching youtube causes emissions

16:34

So like

16:34

You could blame it on youtube

16:34

But you watching youtube causes the pollution

16:34

So idk

Earth is fucked up i wanna live on Sun

I don't think we can blame anyone in particular for the climate change

16:35

Everyone is responsible for it in some way

16:35

Roughly equally i guess

I'm not

pilonpl

I don't think corporations pullute the air for no reason

Ofc it's not for no reason. The CEOs need yachts, that's the reason

yeah but like isnt that what it should be? only rich people can afford yachts

It's expensive to have green factories. It would need to come off of either executive payroll, or worker payroll. It can't come off executive payroll, need yacht. It can't come off of worker payroll, if it could and they wouldn't riot, it would go to yacht fund

pilonpl

yeah but like isnt that what it should be? only rich people can afford yachts

Rich people would be less rich if factory green

ok

Then less yacht. Then rich people less happy

but i think its a good idea to have some stuff locked behind a paywall

16:42

and we can make laws

16:42

to put a price on pollution

16:43

that would make everyone poorer technically but maybe thats necessary at least a bit

We can but rich man pay politics man if no polution laws. Politics man very happy because his politics salary very small

yeah so i guess

16:44

its not a simple issue

16:44

with a simple solution

We need to somehow elect politicians that are uncorruptible

pilonpl

its not a simple issue

if that were the case we would have solved climate change by now

Idk if such a person exists, everyone has a price or can be removed from power for a price

Learath2

We need to somehow elect politicians that are uncorruptible

maybe AI could solve all of our problems

16:45

probably not

16:45

it would be too perfect

16:45

but

16:46

AI is interesting

16:46

and i guess the biggest issue with ai is that it is still made by humans

You need incentives of the people, the politicians and the businesses to align. That is very hard to achieve under capitalism

16:47

Communism assimilates business by putting it under the control of politics and the people. But both sides are still corruptible. So they end up serving their own class interests still

16:48

And we don't really have any other ideas on how to govern humans, sooo it is indeed a hard problem

16:50

Environment is the worst case scenario too. Business and Politics don't get any short term gain by respecting the environment. Politicsman has a term limit. Businessman needs coin now to buy more yacht

@Learath2

17:02

who is responsible for the moderators?

oh its debate day

Mugi-chan✰

who is responsible for the moderators?

All admins

whats wrong with this kid

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Create a ticket if you want to complain about a moderator

it won't lead to anything

Mugi-chan✰

whats wrong with this kid

did you know that when you call someone a kid on internet you take L automagically feelsbadman

feelsbadman

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I'm sure

Yeah if this is the screenshot you'll submit, I can tell you rn that it will lead to nothing

Learath2

Yeah if this is the screenshot you'll submit, I can tell you rn that it will lead to nothing

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Learath2

Yeah if this is the screenshot you'll submit, I can tell you rn that it will lead to nothing

he is literally spreading lies about me, what did i write so that he writes to the guy that i am trying to troll him? i helped him cammostripes

cammostripes

Write a complaint if you want to discuss this further. Preliminary observation I have is that there is nothing wrong here behaviourwise. Looks more like personal beef you have with eachother that you two need to resolve, not an admin

i dont want to resolve anything with him, i want him to stop using power for his own purposes

Mugi-chan✰

i dont want to resolve anything with him, i want him to stop using power for his own purposes

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Mugi-chan✰

i dont want to resolve anything with him, i want him to stop using power for his own purposes

Small advice, treat people better and they will treat you better

@Learath2 i started reading "Crafting interpreters" book, it's so good

(edited)

17:25

kinda wish he didnt use yava justatest

justatest

MilkeeyCat

@Learath2 i started reading "Crafting interpreters" book, it's so good

(edited)

Yep, it's such a nice resource to followalong

Learath2

Small advice, treat people better and they will treat you better

I dont think this is how you need to solve the problem instead of ingaging a convo with him, but who am I to say?

17:25

xd

17:26

be straightforward, tell him to open a ticket and leave it as that

and the book i was talking about before had a 2nd part

17:26

so pog

Yeah the java is a bit meh, I would have preferred python or ocaml or something else

or whole book in C gigachad

gigachad

17:28

i was trying to write something myself in rust. I just ended up removing 90% of code :YEP:

The issue with C is that writing parsers in C requires a lot of non trivial string manipulation that can go wrong real quick. The book wants you to focus on more theory, not implementation details of getting a token from a null terminated string

https://github.com/DoctorWkt/acwj did u see dis?

Cellegen

I dont think this is how you need to solve the problem instead of ingaging a convo with him, but who am I to say?

It's just general advice. Not specific to this case. If he wants to discuss this case further he should open a ticket

yup

MilkeeyCat

https://github.com/DoctorWkt/acwj did u see dis?

Nope, looks quite interesting

this dude is such a gigachad

17:30

wrote a compiler for subset of C and could compile his compiler with his own

MilkeeyCat

wrote a compiler for subset of C and could compile his compiler with his own

...what

Learath2

It's just general advice. Not specific to this case. If he wants to discuss this case further he should open a ticket

i have experience that complaints against moderators lead to nothing, even if they did something terrible, i wont waste my time on a ticket lol

eeeeeh

17:31

there's existing compiler

17:31

like gcc

compiling your compiler... using your own?

he compiled his compiler code with gcc

17:32

and then compiled code with produced binary

17:32

idk a fancy word for this

17:32

justatest

17:32

self hosting

17:32

boosting

Mugi-chan✰

i have experience that complaints against moderators lead to nothing, even if they did something terrible, i wont waste my time on a ticket lol

Okay, if you don't want to open a ticket don't talk about it anymore. I gave you generic advice that will help you get along better with everyone try that instead

whatever

Mugi-chan✰

i have experience that complaints against moderators lead to nothing, even if they did something terrible, i wont waste my time on a ticket lol

"Cuz I knew (not tried yet) they wont do anything on making a ticket, I'll just complain nonstop till you get pissed and ban hammer me"

17:32

reasonable

MilkeeyCat

idk a fancy word for this

Bootstrapping

Cellegen

"Cuz I knew (not tried yet) they wont do anything on making a ticket, I'll just complain nonstop till you get pissed and ban hammer me"

i wrote that i have experience??? im not complaining nonstop tf

but like, not doing it at least once doesnt provide you the validity to say that they deny you at #✉-create-a-ticket

MilkeeyCat

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Compilers compile themselves in a similar manner. If you start from nothing, there is a small early rust compiler written in ocaml that you can compile early rust versions with

that's what i wanna do one day pepeW

pepeW

Do a ticket, talk, if you get denied then send a screenshot here.

17:35

see the results

Then you compile future rust versions with that new rust compiler and so on until you get to the end. Then you compile the newest compiler version 2-3 times with itself

Learath2

Okay, if you don't want to open a ticket don't talk about it anymore. I gave you generic advice that will help you get along better with everyone try that instead

im satisfied with my relationships with the people i like, i know that im toxic and i dont need advice on how to be friends with those i dont like, thanks

MilkeeyCat

that's what i wanna do one day pepeW

pepeW

Bootstrapping from nothing is just too much work. You'll pretty much need to write straight machine code

i use nasm =]

Bootstrapping with an assembler is less annoying as you can write it in assembly. Bootstrapping with another languages compiler is the way to go usually

Learath2

Bootstrapping from nothing is just too much work. You'll pretty much need to write straight machine code

17:40

literally the answer is C

Mugi-chan✰

im satisfied with my relationships with the people i like, i know that im toxic and i dont need advice on how to be friends with those i dont like, thanks

The toxicity pretty much ensures that you'll never get along with the mods, as their job description is to keep the peace. So either adjust your behaviour or stop complaining about the consequences of your actions (edited)

Now that I'm thinking about it... what if you compile the program in <insert programming language>, then disassemble it and edit the assembly instead of writing asm from scratch? Like, really? (edited)

EGYT

Now that I'm thinking about it... what if you compile the program in <insert programming language>, then disassemble it and edit the assembly instead of writing asm from scratch? Like, really? (edited)

You can do it. That's how they crack programs most of the time

17:42

But assembly generated and optimized by compilers are NASTY to manipulate by hand

Learath2

The toxicity pretty much ensures that you'll never get along with the mods, as their job description is to keep the peace. So either adjust your behaviour or stop complaining about the consequences of your actions (edited)

btw his actions werent trolling in the first place, the moderator assumed that he or the video maker will troll the individual who asked for the backround map and it escalated from there to hardcore arguing

You can write much saner assembly that is readable (albeit less optimal)

Cellegen

btw his actions werent trolling in the first place, the moderator assumed that he or the video maker will troll the individual who asked for the backround map and it escalated from there to hardcore arguing

If only there was a formal complaint ticket that would require us to investigate the situation

@Learath2 rate my meat

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I said to him to open a ticket too

Ryozuki

@Learath2 rate my meat

HEY CENSOR THAT THERE ARE KIDS HERE

Ryozuki

@Learath2 rate my meat

Show inside. Crust looks nice

Learath2

The toxicity pretty much ensures that you'll never get along with the mods, as their job description is to keep the peace. So either adjust your behaviour or stop complaining about the consequences of your actions (edited)

dw i have mod friends twinbop

twinbop

(edited)

Mugi-chan✰

dw i have mod friends twinbop

twinbop

(edited)

"im not racist i have black friends" - same energy

this

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Ryozuki

@Learath2 rate my meat

meat!!!!

HOLY

Learath2

Show inside. Crust looks nice

its a bit low cooked inside xd

17:44

but i like it that way

meloƞ

"im not racist i have black friends" - same energy

wtf

Anything above medium is a crime for most beef

Mugi-chan✰

wtf

not false tho kek

kek

false i dont have black friends

17:45

justatest

Mugi-chan✰

false i dont have black friends

Get one

the similarity of it is what we see

why would i

Mugi-chan✰

why would i

Why not

damn so good

17:46

i cant believe vegans exist

1

angy

1

pepe_ew92

1

cat1

1

catxplosion

1

banhammer

1

1

kek

2

joe_angry

1

17:47

justatest

imagine a racist working on a fast food restaurant with people all around the globe kek

kek

EGYT

Why not

because if you read carefully...

Cellegen

imagine a racist working on a fast food restaurant with people all around the globe kek

kek

Okay, what's next?

Ryozuki

i cant believe vegans exist

Do you want me to summon Jupsti to call you bad names and degrade you?

nope

Ryozuki

i cant believe vegans exist

angy

pepe_ew92

what

angry

angry

angry

angry

angry

angry

angry

angry

angry

angry

angry

@meloƞ r u vegan

dont talk to me

EGYT

Okay, what's next?

justatest

idk never got that far

damn ok

meloƞ

dont talk to me

:^(

meloƞ

dont talk to me

Oh look, I eat meat

The table behind me is smoking weed and I'm getting contact high pepeW

pepeW

pepebox

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Learath2

The table behind me is smoking weed and I'm getting contact high pepeW

pepeW

poggers2

where let me join

Learath2

The table behind me is smoking weed and I'm getting contact high pepeW

pepeW

spooooky meat spooky

spooky

pepebox

1

meloƞ

poggers2

where let me join

Italy, come

Ryozuki

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Learath2

Italy, come

would still sadly take me multiple hours, also my car works like - semi good rn

17:51

i might at one point just hop over for a weekend tho fr

17:52

if i cant afford a holiday, i certainly can hop out of my responsibilitys for 2 days kek

kek

when ddnet meeting

Cellegen

when ddnet meeting

november ( cant leak when and with whom tho) (edited)

Ryozuki

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My social standing only allows me to get contact high nowadays. I need to find some delinquent friends here

poggers

Learath2

My social standing only allows me to get contact high nowadays. I need to find some delinquent friends here

it became legal in germany, i'll bring some LOL

ahm

meloƞ

it became legal in germany, i'll bring some LOL

Getting it through borders is still very much illegal

I hope its not gonna be a "high" party

Learath2

Getting it through borders is still very much illegal

justatest

Cellegen

I hope its not gonna be a "high" party

cant leak :3

Cellegen

I hope its not gonna be a "high" party

Noo ofc not. All the ddnet meetups I've had so far have been very pg13

Learath2

Noo ofc not. All the ddnet meetups I've had so far have been very pg13

what meetups

17:54

when barcelona meetup

Ryozuki

what meetups

Whenever I go somewhere I ping people around there so we can have an impromptu

17:56

Did coffee, food, movie with UK ppl. Did food with DE people twice.

meloƞ

november ( cant leak when and with whom tho) (edited)

Interslavic community has meetings every Saturday

Ryozuki

when barcelona meetup

Mh, I should find some excuse to go to Barcelona sometime

you want to see ronaldo

17:58

troll

EGYT

Interslavic community has meetings every Saturday

should be biggest off-event meetup of ger people tho

Cellegen

btw his actions werent trolling in the first place, the moderator assumed that he or the video maker will troll the individual who asked for the backround map and it escalated from there to hardcore arguing

this case has a history, you know

Mugi-chan✰

im satisfied with my relationships with the people i like, i know that im toxic and i dont need advice on how to be friends with those i dont like, thanks

toxic behaviour is a sufficient ban reason, no community wants anti-community members

Fussel

this case has a history, you know

no it doesnt u saying nonsense

Fussel

this case has a history, you know

at #general yes

18:08

I fairly explained where it came from xd

i just said that bluemeww can share his background and u said im trolling

18:08

‍♂️

meloƞ

dont talk to me

Loool

pepeangryping

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but then mugi, why did you push him after? xd

after what

ya shouldnt have, you couldve left it there when he said you are prob trolling

18:09

to prove a point

cuz he say this shit everytime

18:09

im sick of him

cuz maybe... maybe... you engane convo after called out a troll?

18:10

Mugi-chan✰

im sick of him

feel free to block me (i told you before)

Fussel

feel free to block me (i told you before)

nah fam, no blocking here

feel free to leave moderator position

ok, that escalated to personal

18:11

im out

i was never in

18:11

bye

Mugi-chan✰

feel free to leave moderator position

you know your 24h timeout wasn't dealt by me?

Fussel

you know your 24h timeout wasn't dealt by me?

he doesnt care at this point, he clearly said that he wishes you a demotion

18:14

Well I dont, aside from engaging with trolls instead of just warn them and leave it as is, you are good homie

and I told him that this would be no help ^^

yea, if he would have such a bad time opening a ticket, why not prove it

18:15

then we can talk about exploitative behavior

as of my experience these mod power abuse complaints are just feelings without evidence. Every now and then there is a ban apeal that is accepted. Mistakenly banned ones, maybe too hard treated ones (opinions differ in that), and those who regret and therefore get their bans reduced or even lifted, but I never saw a single evidence for power abusing (edited)

good thing you arent a blockworlds mod - i got called slurs in my dm's... oh lord (edited)

oh, I get insulted regularly, probably because I'm known to ignore such insultings of me ^^

Fussel

as of my experience these mod power abuse complaints are just feelings without evidence. Every now and then there is a ban apeal that is accepted. Mistakenly banned ones, maybe too hard treated ones (opinions differ in that), and those who regret and therefore get their bans reduced or even lifted, but I never saw a single evidence for power abusing (edited)

I saw long time ago, but due to harsh desicion making with a known ex mod

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he also got personal with bans, including me

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a simple convo with long text ended me up in a perma ban from the discord.

I didn't want to claim such cases don't exist :) They just seem to be — by dimensions — more rare than complaints about them (edited)

yeah, the case I told was the only case of power abuse in here

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every other mod (including murpi who's now big boss) did their actions rightfully

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I think a good mod can tell the difference between troll behavior and genuent convos

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but then those convos need to be limited in a way that if needed, the individuals are only punished minimally

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that way the ruleset for moderation hasnt been broken and people can respect the mods' work (edited)

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I tell all this, cuz holding back information like this would've ended up in another conversation very useful... I do infact ran a 2 year old Teeworlds related Discord server after all.

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(till the owner decided to abuse his powers and threw me out of all my projects there)

Cellegen

I think a good mod can tell the difference between troll behavior and genuent convos

It's actually not that difficult. Moderators are supposed to keep the peace, not censor opinions or people. Community is diversity, nobody wants monotony here. If you act as a moderator and issue a warning, most people will understand. Except for those who are a little too excited, who can be gently cooled down, and those who are almost begging to be hit in order to stage themselves as victims and finally get the attention they crave. The two cases can be easily distinguished by the future. The former will come down again, the latter will do it again and again. Translated with DeepL.com (free version) (thanks for assistance, deepl :)) (edited)

My friend uses DeepL to cheat on Spanish classes (he is in France) Because of that, I made a meme

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excellent

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My friend uses DeepL to cheat on Spanish classes (he is in France) Because of that, I made a meme

Explanation: It is a Pois Pakkoruotsi parody. Pois Pakkoruotsi is a move against mandatory Swedish... in Finland

mods are gae

Ryozuki

i cant believe vegans exist

melon triggered

meloƞ

good thing you arent a blockworlds mod - i got called slurs in my dm's... oh lord (edited)

Its not just a blockworlds thing

Avolicious

Its not just a blockworlds thing

ha true :P

@Peter0x44 I'd like to have some evidence for this: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1237874472241991710

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fines seem to work to make google adhere to the gdpr, for example

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they allow users to "reject all" nowadays

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the law and its fines seemed to have worked

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@Jupstar ✪ I moved the discussion here

Sure, that's one thing

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But regarding ai with bigger implications it won't be enough I would prefer "we will seize and nationalize all of your assets if you violate XYZ"

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Yet the laws never go that far

hmm. doesn't seem like we progress here

21:16

I understood that this is your opinion

It's a small amount of controlled opposition

21:16

Likely with some ulterior political motives too

Peter0x44

Yet the laws never go that far

do you really want that?

Jupstar ✪

do you really want that?

Yes

i dunno if i understand you correctly, but you basically want an overpowered state?

21:17

this can be good but can also do lot of damage

That's not overpowered, if it weren't so, profit would be the only motive

i doubt it's an oil companies interest to cause a hazard

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at least not one like that

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maybe it's also not in their interest to prevent it actively

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or to say it differently: if they'd have known this would have happened, then they probably would not have went for max profit

If you fuck up on that level you don't deserve to manage anything

21:20

This isn't even mentioning BP's origins and various meddling with governments

so if u'd have a overpowered state and BP still interacts with governments, what then?

21:22

then you have an even more overpowered BP, that abuses the government for their interest?

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or do you assume the good government exist. where everyone plays after good rules

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bcs then i'd say you could also argue then, that there are only good companies

21:23

why should one side be evil and the other not

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especially both are of huge relevance

Running things for profit is clearly not a good way of structuring anything

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The "invisible hand" is not real

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but why do you assume that governments, that profit from strong companies will suddenly go 100% against them?

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not even china does that

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and china is already a pretty state controlled country

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sure the best for a fair competition in econemy would be if all companies would be treated equally, but if a strong company fucks up, and u completely destroy that company within a blink of an eye, you'd also destroy lot of economical relationsships, jobs for ppl etc.

21:28

it's just a very hard topic, it's not like i don't understand your point or find economy fair or smth, i just don't find it very realistic that a strong state must result in smth that is 100% good

Nationalize is not the same as "destroy" but sure

Jupstar ✪

it's just a very hard topic, it's not like i don't understand your point or find economy fair or smth, i just don't find it very realistic that a strong state must result in smth that is 100% good

And the "weak" state always results in something bad

Peter0x44

Nationalize is not the same as "destroy" but sure

Do you really want to nationalize a oil company?

Yes

21:30

Why not?

21:30

That's a critical resource

i mean isn't an oil company something shady in itself?

The capitalist strategy is privatize the profits and socialize the losses

destroying the ecosystem with an state's "ok" doesn't sound very desirable per se

Eliminating some perverse incentives is progress

so do you like saudi arabia for basically being an oil state?

21:32

lol

That prospect would scare some CEOs into action (edited)

Jupstar ✪

or to say it differently: if they'd have known this would have happened, then they probably would not have went for max profit

BP kinda knew about bad stuff though, they hid their own research on climate change

Oh yeah, another one, tetraethyl lead

heinrich5991

BP kinda knew about bad stuff though, they hid their own research on climate change

i 100% believe that, bcs most oil companies are rather bad IMO. But peter himself said they have good influence into the government (dunno if true)

21:34

but that, for me, isn't an argument for making the state stronger then. well ofc depends on how the state is build

21:34

but laws are usually done by politicans, sure courts can prevent etc.

21:34

but apparently they failed so here^^

Peter0x44

Oh yeah, another one, tetraethyl lead

You couldn't possibly fine GM enough to cover the damage this did

Jupstar ✪

but why do you assume that governments, that profit from strong companies will suddenly go 100% against them?

its the oppisite that they are afraid of. Whenever corporations have enough power to protect their lands and provide their own way of power (be it any way of power) and will not need for govermental support anymore, then you can say the goverment has no control over that corpo

21:38

make it a chain reaction and you'll have a new power to be afraid of

As an example, there is this insanity too, UK taxes went to paying (former) slave owners until 2015 or something

aka workers with below minimum wage?

Or well, interest on a debt from freeing them

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https://taxjustice.net/2020/06/09/slavery-compensation-uk-questions/

Britain's Slave Owner Compensation Loan, reparations and tax havenr...

It's hard to believe but it was only in 2015 that, according to the Treasury, British taxpayers finished 'paying off' the debt which the British government incurred in order to compensate British slave owners in 1835 because of the abolition of slavery. Abolition meant their profiteering from human misery would (gradually) come to an end. Not a ...

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21:39

actual slavery?

Cellegen

its the oppisite that they are afraid of. Whenever corporations have enough power to protect their lands and provide their own way of power (be it any way of power) and will not need for govermental support anymore, then you can say the goverment has no control over that corpo

so it would be best if power is generally not bundled into few entities?

21:40

no matter if companies or governments

Cellegen

actual slavery?

British taxpayers finished ‘paying off’ the debt which the British government incurred in order to compensate British slave owners in 1835

21:40

Yes

Jupstar ✪

so it would be best if power is generally not bundled into few entities?

but rather scattered amongst trustful corpos and form a unition for the sake of protecting the city and their individuals

*concentrated

Peter0x44

Yes

shit man, thats rly bad

Cellegen

but rather scattered amongst trustful corpos and form a unition for the sake of protecting the city and their individuals

honestly i dunno why our modern society works in europe, but it somehow does, and i kinda fear it's more fragile than it looks sometimes. It's possible that it's important to have strong individuals that are not naive when a state or big corp claims something as truth for example (which is often achieved by education) it could also be something completely different (like that we are simply pretty rich, and rich ppl have less interest in destroying their wealth) it could also be our concept of democracy that power is split into multiple entities (how stable is a democracy really would then be the question) it could also be something completely different

many things in our society is fucked up or will be fucked up in the future

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economy, study, health, jobs

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its all fucked up in their own ways

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and it somehow ties to a chain reaction of bad things, which once it gets out of the goverment's hands, its tyranny all over

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Money is controlled by having the low class spend all their money, while the high classes who collect their values destroy the economy (the more they gather, the more its not given back to the community), so goverment tries to print it back, thus lowering their values

Cellegen

many things in our society is fucked up or will be fucked up in the future

I bet people said that 50 years ago already. how do we find out whether it's actually going to get worse?

education is not modern in a way, that is both interesting to youngs and actually can educate them. Teachers have worse value, than it should be originally, the children are not controlled to learn and can do whatever without much concequences

heinrich5991

I bet people said that 50 years ago already. how do we find out whether it's actually going to get worse?

it still is getting worse, we just dont tell it out loud

how do we find out if it gets worse?

when people die by our own hands willingly

Cellegen

education is not modern in a way, that is both interesting to youngs and actually can educate them. Teachers have worse value, than it should be originally, the children are not controlled to learn and can do whatever without much concequences

do you have data on children getting less educated over time?

heinrich5991

do you have data on children getting less educated over time?

america is full of it

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heinrich5991

do you have data on children getting less educated over time?

actually yes, you can find that.

I'm interested

remember the NY outrage in a university?

Cellegen

education is not modern in a way, that is both interesting to youngs and actually can educate them. Teachers have worse value, than it should be originally, the children are not controlled to learn and can do whatever without much concequences

But imo Cellegen not everything needs to be fun

Devinci

But imo Cellegen not everything needs to be fun

I hope its not right at least.

Cellegen

when people die by our own hands willingly

that seems like it got better, I think a hundred years ago a lot more people died unnecessary deaths

Cellegen

remember the NY outrage in a university?

no, I don't know what this is

Devinci

actually yes, you can find that.

do you have a link?

I'm looking for something

heinrich5991

no, I don't know what this is

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/nyregion/college-campus-protests-photos-yale-columbia.html

By The New York Times and Troy Closson

Scenes of Protests at College Campuses

The crackdown at Columbia this month led to more campus demonstrations and hundreds of arrests so far.

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25% of them were students

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some were getting payed to protest

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and it was supposed to be a peaceful one, but then they built a fortress and camps to ensure their place

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and started somewhat attacking back the police force

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some got shot with less lethal bullets

Cellegen

some were getting payed to protest

that definitely needs a citation

Im sure they are already getting punished

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as well as the univercity for letting it happen

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cuz they were the ones that supported it (edited)

okay, I read the article. what point does it support?

it should've supported the unition against the columbian war situation

I mean: what were you trying to say by posting the article?

yet that protocol was never been shown in front of the students, the police and the media

we were e.g. talking about education getting worse

heinrich5991

I mean: what were you trying to say by posting the article?

that this is how you ruin your education for money

22:00

money controls people, especially youngs

Cellegen

that this is how you ruin your education for money

can you say who ruins whose education for what money? I don't understand the sentence

university supported their own fucking teachers and students to protest

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maybe some are forced due to student debt

the article does not say that the university supported the teachers and students to protest

cuz it should not be stated... but some students actually didnt know why were they protesting on media

22:02

it was in the news too

please link

22:03

what do you mean with "it should not be stated"?

cuz then the university would be taken to court for organizing a terrorist group

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those people who protested attacked the police force

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even tho non lethally, but still attached a minimally violent police force

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heinrich5991

do you have a link?

https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results/ You can also look for it by searching "educational performance drop" or whatever. But if you've been close to any school those last years you should have seen how results are hugely inflated and national exams are overall easier. At least that's from what I've felt from the French educational system ^^

well nvm the link I sent barely shows anything and it's from the last few years. But honestly I doubt I can find anything way better. These kind of things are not only hard to keep track and put a number to them but also not done 30 years ago.

hmmmmm. for whatever reason, the diagrams shown in your link do not correspond with the data in the tables in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

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but your link is written by the same people who do the testing, so they should™ know better

Devinci

https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results/ You can also look for it by searching "educational performance drop" or whatever. But if you've been close to any school those last years you should have seen how results are hugely inflated and national exams are overall easier. At least that's from what I've felt from the French educational system ^^

thanks for the link btw

heinrich5991

hmmmmm. for whatever reason, the diagrams shown in your link do not correspond with the data in the tables in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

Just checked it, and even though it's not exactly the same it stills follows the same trend. So I'd like to think they were coherent and just left out some countries in the average or something.

heinrich5991

thanks for the link btw

Yeah well, was not too hard to provide. Plus last time that I told you I'd give a link it was just too much work and I just disappeared xd. But yeah, my opinion on this is 50% made from own experience and talking to teachers ^^'

Devinci

Just checked it, and even though it's not exactly the same it stills follows the same trend. So I'd like to think they were coherent and just left out some countries in the average or something.

I don't see the same trend in the wikipedia table. mathematics: 492, 499, 494, 495, 494, 490. it stayed roughly the same over time

22:55

where did you see a similar trend?

heinrich5991

I don't see the same trend in the wikipedia table. mathematics: 492, 499, 494, 495, 494, 490. it stayed roughly the same over time

it's until 2015 in wikipedia right? The huge drop appears in 2022 (edited)

ah!

22:56

that makes more sense

what makes no sense is not having 2018 and 2022, but welp, what can I do

Devinci

Yeah well, was not too hard to provide. Plus last time that I told you I'd give a link it was just too much work and I just disappeared xd. But yeah, my opinion on this is 50% made from own experience and talking to teachers ^^'

yes. finding actual data on such stuff is hard. but I think it's important if we want to recognize problems/find solutions. you having talked to teachers is already a good point. however, individual opinions can sometimes be consistently wrong

An opinion can never be completely wrong (well it could but... anyways), just very biased. So yeah, could be. But that's just how everyone makes their opinions isn't it ^^ (edited)

for example if people claim that everything is getting more insecure, but statistics show that the trend is actually going into the opposite direction, I'd call that opinion wrong

23:02

perhaps the opinion is formed because there's more sensationalized reporting on crime, or something like that

Stats are still made by humans and could be: 1. not accurate. 2. incomplete. 3. wrongly interpreted. (this is actually fairly common...) 4. Completely made up (very unlikely) And probably more that I am forgetting. So yeah, stats are worth as much as you give them credit for. It's not an absolute truth either. (edited)

I agree. I'd think that stats are still our best bet, if they're available. especially if you can look into the methodology how they were obtained, etc.

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I found this other thing by duckduckgo'ing "student performance over time" and taking the first result: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=38

Fast Facts: Long-term trends in reading and mathematics achievement...

The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here.

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it's also showing a severe downturn in 2022 over 2020

heinrich5991

I agree. I'd think that stats are still our best bet, if they're available. especially if you can look into the methodology how they were obtained, etc.

Sure, and I would like to know the % of people who actually look at stats, and from those, the % who actually care and read how they were obtained... Ofc it's nice, but at the end of the day the majority will just read the big title and forget about everything else. Anyways I don't know why I ended up saying that, whoops greenthing

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heinrich5991

I found this other thing by duckduckgo'ing "student performance over time" and taking the first result: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=38

Yeah but this one blames it on COVID, which I do not think is the only reason.

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