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GitHub BOT 2024-04-15 01:48:52Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8216 Fix incorrect score kind in demos depending on last server
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[ddnet:master] 4 new commits
ed90392 Refresh the jumps after teleporting - murpii 2423e35 Fix incorrect score kind in demos depending on last server - Robyt3 aca25cc Merge pull request #8216 from Robyt3/Demo-ServerInfo-Fix - def- fe41f58 Merge pull request #8164 from murpii/pr_teleport_reset_jumps - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8164 Refresh air jumps after teleporting
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
19b1926 fix alignment of labels in friends list - dobrykafe 2e211c9 Merge pull request #8218 from dobrykafe/pr-align-friendslist - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8218 Fix alignment of labels in friends list
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Learath2
mh can't you save this in a file of it's own and include it in here somehow?
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:53:22Z
omg maybe languages should get a feature where you can just include a file as a string or format.
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i would love that
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better, without the need to escape quotes or something, it would just be a string.
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owo
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templating be like
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:54:59Z
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:55:10Z
bruh
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what are you doing
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:55:26Z
porting ddnet to every stinkin nintendo console
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:55:48Z
are there even wiis in Venezuela
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:55:56Z
yes i had a wii when i was a kid many years ago
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:56:11Z
better than china
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:56:17Z
justatest
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:57:04Z
like did you replace drawcalls with nintendo ones or is there a translation layer or something
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:57:30Z
removed SDL and replaced openGL with libogc's GX calls
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:57:39Z
Catxplosion
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:57:53Z
i did a similar thing on my DS port too
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:58:10Z
did you have to redo the input and audio as well
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:58:35Z
i haven't worked on audio for the wii yet but it works on the DS
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:58:39Z
input is definitely handled by SDL. forgot about audio.
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Headshot 2024-04-15 01:59:18Z
i replaced SDL input calls with libogc calls
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it's not perfect but it works for the time being
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 01:59:40Z
very cool
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hope you put this in your resume and get interviewer flabbergasted
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Headshot 2024-04-15 02:00:24Z
troll
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 02:02:20Z
not many people can be confident porting native codes to consoles.
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I had to port some native libraries our last company uses for PS5 and switch, no one know how to do it in-house, and they reached out to library devs and they couldn't do it too. I just did it in an afternoon and quit the job.owo
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it feels cool
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nothing graphical tho
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just some scripting engine they were using
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i replaced SDL input calls with libogc calls
Mazty 2024-04-15 03:30:25Z
do u used iterator for "it"
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?
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Headshot 2024-04-15 03:30:39Z
yes
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Mazty 2024-04-15 03:31:04Z
Not needed use auto for it?
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Headshot 2024-04-15 03:31:20Z
you can either use auto or the iterator type name
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auto is shorter
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Mazty 2024-04-15 03:31:37Z
Example auto Collision = m_pClient->Collision;
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Ah
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i replaced SDL input calls with libogc calls
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 03:38:18Z
pro
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Headshot 2024-04-15 03:38:38Z
feelsamazingman
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 03:40:42Z
had a day off after like 20 days
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feeling worse than before
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Ewan 2024-04-15 04:21:22Z
are u doing anything
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Learath2
mh can't you save this in a file of it's own and include it in here somehow?
MilkeeyCat 2024-04-15 04:31:07Z
I have many 2-4 lines like dat, should i create separate files for each piece of asm?
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@アリヂン what u think
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Ewan
are u doing anything
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 04:57:01Z
i slept through sunday
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closed my eyes saturday night, wake up it is monday morning again
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Ewan 2024-04-15 04:58:08Z
ouch
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i think u should still try to get up moderately early on days off
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10 am latest
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it's not rewarding when u sleep as long as you can and you waste the best part of your day
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-04-15 05:15:31Z
what was the issue?
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with network
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with network
Headshot 2024-04-15 05:17:31Z
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justatest
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Ewan
i think u should still try to get up moderately early on days off
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 05:30:10Z
ye but i havent slept for like 40hrs
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and i got home saturday night at like 4am (so sunday morning
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Ewan 2024-04-15 05:33:12Z
damn
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Yeah maybe noon
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or 1 pm
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but the day seems over by then
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 05:34:36Z
i need to quit my job asap
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Ewan 2024-04-15 05:37:09Z
why have this attitude
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just work less
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push deadlines and give yourself time to breathe
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sounds like you have some kind of mania if ur working working working to the point of being this tired
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and if ur boss won’t let you then fine, fuck the job but I would not go straight there
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u come in here and post the same thing expecting different responses than what u already knew before posting
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Ewan
push deadlines and give yourself time to breathe
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 05:39:38Z
i'm not the one pushing it
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Ewan 2024-04-15 05:40:01Z
did u talk to boss
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 05:40:02Z
also i was gonna quit anyway
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i already told them i quit, if they really need me then they need to prove it
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I couldn't care less about job security so they either let me go, fix their management or let me manage my own team.
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owo
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deen 2024-04-15 05:48:34Z
Big decision!
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 05:48:55Z
Catxplosion
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 05:56:09Z
I think I'm in a position that company really needs me. since both of my two job seems to be throwing me into tech lead position without explicitly giving me a lead role
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which is kinda weird but also kinda epic
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but it's about time to change that
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Teero 2024-04-15 05:57:06Z
epyc
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 05:57:34Z
amogus three years of work exp straight into lead role would be epic
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but failing that, I would just open my own studio cuz everyone sucks at making video games
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:32:13Z
morning from gym
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TsFreddie
amogus three years of work exp straight into lead role would be epic
Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:32:57Z
i would say its more mismanagement, i also kinda thought that till i landed where i am
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imho u need more xp for tech leas
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lead
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but ye indeed if u have a edge over company push it for better
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Ryozuki
i would say its more mismanagement, i also kinda thought that till i landed where i am
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:35:28Z
where you at now
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:35:45Z
i would say im the thing after junior
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but with strong technical skills
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in fact, i proba have more tech skills than my manager who is tech least
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lead
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but he knows more about other stuff
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managing time, difficulties, expectations, not letting juniors add useless stuff, focusing on the real stuff
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pushing us to add more docs xd
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and well he has like native english he also deals with some clients
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:38:16Z
i mean ye
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:38:19Z
well, with the clients tech lead/ manager
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he has like 15y xp
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are u good dealing with ppl?
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:39:08Z
are you managing a team of three plus deciding the tech stack plus building the scaffold from scratch
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:39:24Z
i kinda did
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:39:28Z
oof
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:39:32Z
ok i didn't
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he tech lead managed us
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:39:37Z
then i guess i'm not worthy yet.
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:39:41Z
but i lead
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the project from scratch
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i lead 2 in fact
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the 2 compiler related projects
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:40:09Z
shaking in gamedev
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:40:16Z
like the core dev i meam
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mean
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god mobile
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and shaky arm cuz gym
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:40:58Z
still, i would probably just open my own studio instead of crunching here
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Ryozuki
and shaky arm cuz gym
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:41:09Z
skill issue
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:41:13Z
just wanna say its normal to think that when ur low xp
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but there is lot to learn
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the right company helps at that tho
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Ryozuki
but there is lot to learn
TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:41:59Z
like explaining to my lead why trusting a client with only a third-party provider openid with no authentication steps are a bad idea?
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that was not on my bingo card
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:42:13Z
i wont deny u proba got more worth of the xp in terms of managing ppl
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than a normal junior
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TsFreddie
like explaining to my lead why trusting a client with only a third-party provider openid with no authentication steps are a bad idea?
Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:42:37Z
well thats just ur tech lead being a junior too
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:43:05Z
i mean the CEO keep telling me our tech lead doesn't do game develop often but he knows a little bit about everything
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but I'm yet to find what the everything is
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:43:17Z
is he his friend
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:43:24Z
her*
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:43:28Z
keke
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:43:29Z
but probably not
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:43:32Z
justatest
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oh not friend
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ok
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:43:44Z
just old employees from netease i imagine
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:44:00Z
ok probs someone sticking to the job for their life
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:44:02Z
these are people from the big cooperate for sure
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:44:23Z
u should jump ship to better pay
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:44:25Z
but i don't feel like "a little bit of everything" means what I think it means
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:44:30Z
change every year
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till u find
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a nice one
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:44:38Z
well
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:44:43Z
like me
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:44:45Z
i never found any jobs, that's a big problem
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i suck at finding jobs
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these two I've worked for just called me to join
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:45:48Z
xd
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u dont have chinese linkedin?
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:46:03Z
microsoft closed it
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we use other platform
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:46:08Z
we should make ddnet game studio
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good devs here
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:46:17Z
and I did looked for jobs
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:46:24Z
i do backend with rust
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:46:26Z
wasn't good at it
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:46:34Z
owo
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:46:50Z
also I don't feel like doing software cuz it'd be grinding from the bottom all over again since I have mostly gamedev exp
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gamedev is just not where the moneys at rn
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:47:08Z
ig
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:47:19Z
i mean it is where the moneys at, but not for employees
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 06:47:23Z
xd
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 06:48:11Z
i guess usually gamedev studios here are just really small sized where two or three people do basically all the core work
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Ryozuki
imho u need more xp for tech leas
Teero 2024-04-15 06:57:28Z
Gotta reach lvl 30 to enchant the workers kekw
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TsFreddie
still, i would probably just open my own studio instead of crunching here
deen 2024-04-15 06:59:52Z
Gamedev being stressful sounds like an industry wide problem, one of the reasons I didn't want to work in that area.
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TsFreddie
also I don't feel like doing software cuz it'd be grinding from the bottom all over again since I have mostly gamedev exp
deen 2024-04-15 07:00:24Z
I don't think that's true necessarily
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Starting your own company is probably even more stressful though, but at least you get returns if it's successful
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 07:01:45Z
justatest i think i just suck at interviews
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deen 2024-04-15 07:03:41Z
There are some good Chinese database companies
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 07:04:21Z
Catxplosion i'm also not sure if I want to not do gamedevs tho
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deen
There are some good Chinese database companies
Cellegen 2024-04-15 07:04:48Z
any database company is a red flag in this world, regardless where it is
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Better to do your own, but who am I kidding, as a casual google drive user
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Cellegen
any database company is a red flag in this world, regardless where it is
Ryozuki 2024-04-15 07:05:44Z
ur comments sometimes are so out of touch
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Ryozuki
ur comments sometimes are so out of touch
Cellegen 2024-04-15 07:06:04Z
And you love it owo
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I keep you all entertained
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deen 2024-04-15 07:06:40Z
I was thinking of https://github.com/pingcap/tidb but somehow PingCap doesn't seem Chinese? https://www.pingcap.com/careers/ Maybe I confused something
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 07:06:43Z
yugabyte and materialize are quite famous
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i had coworkers send me articles
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deen 2024-04-15 07:07:04Z
Its open-source distributed database provides compatibility and enables users to build applications. The company was founded in 2015 and is based in Beijing, China.
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Ryozuki
i had coworkers send me articles
deen 2024-04-15 07:07:26Z
Cool. That reminds me that I still have my blog article half-finished, should continue on that
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 07:08:12Z
I also need to write more about llvm and mlir
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nekospin
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Teero 2024-04-15 07:16:50Z
Btw why do you write blogs?
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 07:17:47Z
i think i'm just scared of software dev
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feel like software dev are more technical than gamedev. and I can feel like I'm the most technical person on a gamedev team. that's a me problem for sure tho
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Teero
Btw why do you write blogs?
Ryozuki 2024-04-15 07:19:45Z
u learn more, u learn how to explain which makes u understand more, it also allows u to show ur knowledge and build reputation either for general stuff or to find jobs, also cuz it genuinely helps some ppl specially for niche stuff
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there is barely blogs about mlir and llvm
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all devs who like what they do should write (edited)
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 07:25:30Z
I wanted to write blogs
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started working on my homepage
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then crunch hits
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It feel like everytime I want to do anything productive then a crunch hits
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and I don't want to do anything afterwards
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 07:26:35Z
https://yorickpeterse.com/articles/how-to-write-a-code-formatter/
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Teero
Btw why do you write blogs?
deen 2024-04-15 07:37:18Z
So I have a place where my thoughts are written down, for myself to refer to when I forget things. Also, others might have good comments and suggestions for improvements
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 07:42:54Z
that too
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u can also make a blog post about why u blog post
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inception
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MilkeeyCat
I have many 2-4 lines like dat, should i create separate files for each piece of asm?
MilkeeyCat 2024-04-15 08:51:34Z
let foo = concat_with::concat_line!( "section .data", " fmt: db '%d', 10, 0", "", "section .text", " extern printf", " extern fflush", " global main", "", "printint:", " mov rsi, rdi", " mov rdi, fmt", " xor rax, rax", "", " call printf", "", " ret", "", "main:", ); that's what ill probably use xd
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Learath2 2024-04-15 09:18:43Z
Eh, doesn't look too bad
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MilkeeyCat 2024-04-15 09:19:49Z
It works for just string literals but i can't format string there
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feelsbadman
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 09:34:28Z
https://agner.org/optimize/
Software optimization resources. C++ and assembly. Windows, Linux, ...
Software optimization manuals for C++ and assembly code. Intel and AMD x86 microprocessors. Windows, Linux, BSD, Mac OS X. 16, 32 and 64 bit systems. Detailed descriptions of microarchitectures.
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 09:46:01Z
@Learath2 so are u working at this very moment?
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oh idk why i talked here
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https://larswander.com/writing/spectral-ray-tracing/
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 so are u working at this very moment?
Learath2 2024-04-15 09:58:04Z
Technically yes. Reading my onboarding package
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 10:45:58Z
@Learath2 is it UB to pass size 0 to realloc?
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ReiTW 2024-04-15 11:01:16Z
Apparently it's not
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Peakies 2024-04-15 11:12:12Z
is it possible to compile DDNet 18.1 for android release ?
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ReiTW 2024-04-15 11:19:03Z
I think ddnet doesn't support android anymore
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It was discontinued
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ReiTW
It was discontinued
Peakies 2024-04-15 11:28:12Z
hmm tnx 🤝
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furo BOT 2024-04-15 11:46:01Z
It is or at least should be possible to compile for. See the README in scripts/android. But the touch screen controls found in the older APKs are no longer supported.
Replying to @Peakies is it possible to compile DDNet 18.1 for android release ?
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 11:57:44Z
off work early today
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furo
It is or at least should be possible to compile for. See the README in scripts/android. But the touch screen controls found in the older APKs are no longer supported.
Peakies 2024-04-15 12:01:41Z
I'll check it ty
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 is it UB to pass size 0 to realloc?
Learath2 2024-04-15 12:03:59Z
I totally missed this
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TsFreddie 2024-04-15 12:09:40Z
owo
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ReiTW
Apparently it's not
Ryozuki 2024-04-15 12:41:11Z
looks like its ub from c23 onwards
12:41
but impl defined before
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Teero 2024-04-15 12:56:49Z
has the scaling behaviour of the target position already been fixed? as you can see my angle changes based on my zoom which is not ideal. at some point of zooming in your target will be limited to be 0, 0
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very annoying
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i really don't want to zoom out just to hit some edgehooks
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 13:18:17Z
https://www.integral-calculator.com/
Integral Calculator • With Steps!
Solve definite and indefinite integrals (antiderivatives) using this free online calculator. Step-by-step solution and graphs included!
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kek
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunting_yard_algorithm
Shunting yard algorithm
In computer science, the shunting yard algorithm is a method for parsing arithmetical or logical expressions, or a combination of both, specified in infix notation. It can produce either a postfix notation string, also known as Reverse Polish notation (RPN), or an abstract syntax tree (AST). The algorithm was invented by Edsger Dijkstra and name...
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 14:49:54Z
my god
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i removed email notifications
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from github
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the spam is unreal
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CherryEx BOT 2024-04-15 14:53:00Z
lol
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 15:38:29Z
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Kconfig-Tabs
Linus Torvalds Injects Tabs To Thwart Kconfig Parsers Not Correctly...
Within yesterday's Linux 6.9-rc4 release is an interesting little nugget by Linus Torvalds to battle Kconfig parsers that can't correctly handle tabs but rather just assume spaces for whitespace for this kernel configuration format.
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 15:49:20Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_numeral_systems
Asymmetric numeral systems
Asymmetric numeral systems (ANS) is a family of entropy encoding methods introduced by Jarosław (Jarek) Duda from Jagiellonian University, used in data compression since 2014 due to improved performance compared to previous methods. ANS combines the compression ratio of arithmetic coding (which uses a nearly accurate probability distribution), w...
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zstd uses this
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when ddnet?
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https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Kconfig-Tabs
Learath2 2024-04-15 15:52:04Z
Now imagine if he added a couple "fuck you"s in there
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 15:52:14Z
reformed
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Learath2 2024-04-15 15:52:15Z
Linus has been compromised
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 15:52:17Z
gigachad
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Learath2 2024-04-15 15:53:14Z
Today I've encountered a tool that parses the command line output of docker to determine stuff. It breaks for podman because capital letters and stuff
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Idk what it is with modern applications and an allergy to do things properly
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Ryozuki 2024-04-15 15:53:50Z
doesnt docker have a json output (edited)
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Learath2 2024-04-15 15:55:02Z
For some things it does. Truly every part of modern programming is baffling
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It does for this too actually. So no reason for them not to parse it properly instead of relying on the exact format of the message on stderr
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Teero
has the scaling behaviour of the target position already been fixed? as you can see my angle changes based on my zoom which is not ideal. at some point of zooming in your target will be limited to be 0, 0
nouaa 2024-04-15 15:59:16Z
nice tee btw
owo 4
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Learath2 2024-04-15 16:02:43Z
It also relies on the absurd behaviour by docker to add leading slashes to their container names internally
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louis 2024-04-15 17:10:12Z
what's wrong with json
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louis
what's wrong with json
EGYT 2024-04-15 17:10:25Z
not entirely libre?
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louis 2024-04-15 17:12:24Z
huh xd
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louis
what's wrong with json
Learath2 2024-04-15 17:45:07Z
Nothing, it’s great at what it is
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GitHub BOT 2024-04-15 18:37:48Z
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Robyt3
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8219 Remove unnecessary client component variables and setters
Use the gameclient to access other components instead.

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GitHub BOT 2024-04-15 22:40:23Z
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Zwelf
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8220 Disallow /save on teams with practice enabled
It's not necessary, because you can get back to the position anyway.

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Zwelf
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8221 Store player names in teehistorian and Finish/TeamFinish

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GitHub BOT 2024-04-15 23:41:05Z
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murpii
[ddnet/ddnet-scripts] Pull request opened: #54 Improve for loop in execute-all/chn.sh script
This should echo all failed locations properly.
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