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i once heard that a modern human in one day has more information variety in the news than a middle age farmer in his whole life
meloƞ 2024-02-16 00:06:52Z
one day? listening to a 20 minute podcast about the latest news should be enough no? :D (edited)
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back then you couldnt even be sure other people existed on the other side of the world - today i can see an 8K video of a bag of rice dropping over there (edited)
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Overlord 2024-02-16 02:53:10Z
-_- U people really believe medieval humans were all like this? Or just peasants?
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Even peasants heard news of war and other such things
02:53
I want to remind everyone of short lived mongolian empire
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It was on that other side of the world and came right to the peasants
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pilonpl 2024-02-16 05:33:28Z
I am glad we have the internet
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Idk what i'd be doing without it
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Talking to people irl?
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pilonpl
Talking to people irl?
texnonik 2024-02-16 08:08:54Z
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Overlord
Even peasants heard news of war and other such things
Learath2 2024-02-16 09:46:19Z
It actually took a fair bit back then and peasants were ofc the last to be informed. Even in late Ottoman era most people did not really know even the changes in the ruler in a timely manner (edited)
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Learath2
It actually took a fair bit back then and peasants were ofc the last to be informed. Even in late Ottoman era most people did not really know even the changes in the ruler in a timely manner (edited)
Overlord 2024-02-16 09:57:57Z
(Big brain counter argument incoming): have YOU been there?!
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Historians hate this trick
09:59
Im pretty sure merchants knew fair bit, its actually hard to compare peasants to todays humans
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But before radios im pretty sure most of nordic people were badly informed too
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While not being peasants
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Overlord
While not being peasants
Learath2 2024-02-16 10:16:53Z
Wym not peasant. While the land wasn't very arable, they still did farming
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Learath2
Wym not peasant. While the land wasn't very arable, they still did farming
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:19:50Z
So, today"s world sheep herders are peasants or what?
10:20
Just because somone lives of animals doesnt make them a peasant? Or every farmer is a peasant because they produce crops
10:20
Im pretty confused what is considered being a peasant
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:20:55Z
Well when in doubt, refer to a dictionary
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Overlord 2024-02-16 10:20:57Z
Because if its low income, and lack of possibilities. That would make me a peasant now
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:21:40Z
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Overlord 2024-02-16 10:21:43Z
Ok. According to dictionary innuits were never peasantry so they must have been greatly infirmed
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Informed*
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:22:30Z
But this is beside the point. Anyone in the villages was badly informed whether they were farm workers or not. It's just a latency issue
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Overlord 2024-02-16 10:22:35Z
Also, in europe, knights and small nobles also did agricultural labour..
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Learath2
But this is beside the point. Anyone in the villages was badly informed whether they were farm workers or not. It's just a latency issue
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:23:12Z
Partially, its also the fact that people just didnt go to town that often
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So they "choose" to not attend their information hubs
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(Choose cuz most went once a year if not once every few years)
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:24:23Z
From one end of the roman empire to the other took months
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Learath2
From one end of the roman empire to the other took months
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:24:50Z
Didnt stop habsburg from inbreeding across europe
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:25:30Z
What does that have to do with anything?
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Learath2
From one end of the roman empire to the other took months
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:25:45Z
Also, military used birds, and couriers, so they still often had intel before things happend
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:26:09Z
Do you think couriers had faster means of travel?
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Learath2
What does that have to do with anything?
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:26:12Z
That traveling for some was enjoyable experience with mansions across europe :v
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Learath2
Do you think couriers had faster means of travel?
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:26:40Z
Yes they had possibility to change horses! If Ur donkey died U wouldnt get new one!
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They also swapped men once reaching garrison all in all, nothing changed
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:27:19Z
Pigeons were your best bet if you want a message to be fast and that's still on the order of weeks
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Overlord 2024-02-16 10:27:24Z
Now U can get notification that balistic missile is incoming
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But it will arrive in 5 min before it was same
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" enemy is here!!! " and U have 15 min
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:28:51Z
Also what is this weird fetish you have with ancient history? Arguing that peasants from the dark ages weren't ill-informed is an insane take given it's even well documented (edited)
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Learath2
Also what is this weird fetish you have with ancient history? Arguing that peasants from the dark ages weren't ill-informed is an insane take given it's even well documented (edited)
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:31:46Z
Och im arguing totally different thing, that the information we are consuming daily in latest news is no of more quality than the peasants gossip
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Aside from books, I dont see how are we any better
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:33:38Z
It's the availability of high quality information that has changed. Perhaps not the average quality of information
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If you have some semblance of media literacy and are handy with google, you can get many perspectives on events that is of far higher quality than a day labourer might have heard at a tavern 6th hand
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Learath2
If you have some semblance of media literacy and are handy with google, you can get many perspectives on events that is of far higher quality than a day labourer might have heard at a tavern 6th hand
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:35:06Z
Only if U speak more than one language
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:36:03Z
There are English sources of differing perspectives too. English media doesn't consist of CIA assets and Murdoch's (edited)
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Learath2
If you have some semblance of media literacy and are handy with google, you can get many perspectives on events that is of far higher quality than a day labourer might have heard at a tavern 6th hand
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:36:23Z
Also if we compare information that comes from daily labourer, its probably on same level as celebrity gossip, unless its the crazy uncle screaming war is upon us, and chemitrails stuff
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Learath2
There are English sources of differing perspectives too. English media doesn't consist of CIA assets and Murdoch's (edited)
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:36:51Z
Yeah english, now try polish or russian
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There is some crazy "banned" channel in poland called w realu24
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That always says opposite of what media say
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(They are a bunch of crazy baboons tho) but because its banned, There are more people believing it to be true
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Cuz its not allowed
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By officials
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:37:58Z
If you don't speak any English you are kinda doomed in some countries
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In that case I'd argue gossip is probably of higher quality than the media
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Overlord 2024-02-16 10:39:15Z
Btw. The amount of false or inaccurate information is insane nowdays
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Would rather have no info than useless info
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 10:40:37Z
most false information can be avoided if you know how - but looking at my grandma for example, she hates the internet because she often read's stuff that comes out to be a conspiracy or a theory instead of a fact and she hates that - so i get to fact check something every few days for her
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Overlord 2024-02-16 10:41:04Z
When I hear people talking about what they read, then next person repeats that, and in the end U get some scrambled info, that U either have to check urself or try to purge it out of Ur head
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Overlord
Would rather have no info than useless info
meloƞ 2024-02-16 10:41:05Z
true
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Overlord
When I hear people talking about what they read, then next person repeats that, and in the end U get some scrambled info, that U either have to check urself or try to purge it out of Ur head
meloƞ 2024-02-16 10:41:23Z
you ever played the game "postman" in first or second grade or smth?
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where you sit in a circle, someone thinks of something and they whisper it through 30 people, and at the end the person repeats it?
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it was NEVER right
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meloƞ
you ever played the game "postman" in first or second grade or smth?
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:41:46Z
Maybe under different name? Yeah
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We called it deaf phone
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Btw. The amount of false or inaccurate information is insane nowdays
Devinci 2024-02-16 10:43:50Z
Quite ironic seeing how you've been talking about an era where none of us was born withouth (afaik) being an expert on it... Now, I think this could be considered "gossip", was this info of higher quality than what I could find on the net? hmmm...
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Devinci
Quite ironic seeing how you've been talking about an era where none of us was born withouth (afaik) being an expert on it... Now, I think this could be considered "gossip", was this info of higher quality than what I could find on the net? hmmm...
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:47:31Z
did U read first message, that historians hate?
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Overlord
(Big brain counter argument incoming): have YOU been there?!
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:48:20Z
here
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Devinci 2024-02-16 10:49:37Z
Yeah, but historians dedicate their whole life to study what happened in the past. Has I said in my message "withouth (afaik) being an expert on it", there's a huge difference. But anyways, I wasn't really criticising. I just found it ironic looking at the theme of the conversation.
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meloƞ
most false information can be avoided if you know how - but looking at my grandma for example, she hates the internet because she often read's stuff that comes out to be a conspiracy or a theory instead of a fact and she hates that - so i get to fact check something every few days for her
Learath2 2024-02-16 10:51:51Z
My grandma reads something, completely believes it and spreads it. She is the reason misinformation is so common
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Yeah, but historians dedicate their whole life to study what happened in the past. Has I said in my message "withouth (afaik) being an expert on it", there's a huge difference. But anyways, I wasn't really criticising. I just found it ironic looking at the theme of the conversation.
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:52:56Z
no, no, the thing i meant with that "counter argument" was me attacking them, for even having a guess, not my foresight that im gonna babble on things i have surface level knowledge
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 10:53:06Z
i got that out of here after i told her she doesnt have to call the family because she might die (she got the vaccine) and she read something that was, and i quote:"deadly cancer cells to wipe out old people to save money" (edited)
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meloƞ
i got that out of here after i told her she doesnt have to call the family because she might die (she got the vaccine) and she read something that was, and i quote:"deadly cancer cells to wipe out old people to save money" (edited)
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:54:15Z
kind reminder, that some conspiracies turned to be real! like "THE GOVERMENT PUTS SOMETHING IN OUR WATER" (tho they didnt know it was lead, and not on purpose)
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 10:54:32Z
it was old pipes! MonkaS
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but yeah true
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Overlord 2024-02-16 10:55:27Z
http://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
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how am I to trust articles like this?
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universities are most of the time state funded
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Conclusion The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations. It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.
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Overlord
how am I to trust articles like this?
Learath2 2024-02-16 10:57:16Z
It doesn't look like it has any misinformation. It looks a little silly but that's all that's wrong with it
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Learath2
It doesn't look like it has any misinformation. It looks a little silly but that's all that's wrong with it
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:57:31Z
see, U're clearly not paranoid enough
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look. if the state funded unversity says, the hat doesnt help, U but the opposite
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U cant know if they just want U to drop Ur defences
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or are actually helping
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(dont bring redoing the experiment)
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(that's not how nut nuts think (me included))
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Learath2 2024-02-16 10:58:50Z
I know basic electromagnetism to know that a helmet like that can act as an antenna instead
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If you are truly paranoid, live in a faraday cage and leave the rest of us alone
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Overlord
(dont bring redoing the experiment)
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:59:20Z
(also the cost of equipment is insane for regular joe )
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Learath2
I know basic electromagnetism to know that a helmet like that can act as an antenna instead
Overlord 2024-02-16 10:59:50Z
well yes, antennas are super easy to make
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Learath2
If you are truly paranoid, live in a faraday cage and leave the rest of us alone
Overlord 2024-02-16 11:00:04Z
yeah, and when U leave U're bombareded with mind altering radiowaves
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:00:14Z
the article is right tho, the added conspiracy theory is spicy, but it never says these things as facts
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Overlord
yeah, and when U leave U're bombareded with mind altering radiowaves
Learath2 2024-02-16 11:00:16Z
Don't leave
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:00:18Z
"possible with"
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Overlord 2024-02-16 11:00:19Z
(not like our bodies arent under constant radiation from cosmos)
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:00:32Z
thats what i meant when i said you can control what you consume
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Learath2 2024-02-16 11:00:42Z
Get a faraday cage on wheels and have someone push you around in life
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Learath2
Get a faraday cage on wheels and have someone push you around in life
meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:00:52Z
i'll offer you 2$ if you do that for me
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annually ofc
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Learath2
Get a faraday cage on wheels and have someone push you around in life
Overlord 2024-02-16 11:00:57Z
now, that would just make me regular motorcycle/car thief
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meloƞ
annually ofc
Learath2 2024-02-16 11:01:20Z
That's 2$ more than I make in a year. Damn, I'll think about it
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:01:27Z
justatest
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hmu if you accept kek
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Overlord 2024-02-16 11:01:45Z
back on topic. Im pro religion, it served nice purpose for all those years
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just because history book says, they did it because of religion, doesnt make it true
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i spent 200(euro sign) as a kid of not my money, on something really really stupid, and lied too!
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Learath2 2024-02-16 11:03:25Z
Just because religion book says religion good, doesn't make it true. That sort of argument is rather pointless
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Overlord 2024-02-16 11:04:16Z
well, I myself dont believe in any of currently avaliable religions, but I have met people so deepy infatuated, that made me somewhat jealous
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have something to look forward to is really nice, also it somehow brings people together (group mentality)
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Learath2 2024-02-16 11:04:53Z
You seem to treat history as if it's just storytelling. While there is some aspect of that, respectable historical texts have multiple sources. And there are multiple texts about any given event. That's how we study history
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Learath2
You seem to treat history as if it's just storytelling. While there is some aspect of that, respectable historical texts have multiple sources. And there are multiple texts about any given event. That's how we study history
Overlord 2024-02-16 11:07:08Z
well, because history is just storytelling, first of all, remember most of population couldn't write, unlike today. Interpretations of certain event / things change over time, most often with new discoveries, but that's still interpretations. And important thing people love throught the ages, are novels... some are based on history and deviate
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like the romance of three kingdoms is known more widely, than actual history of three kingdoms ( china )
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Learath2 2024-02-16 11:07:39Z
Anyway, I'll go get food. I know better than to argue with people on stuff like this. Especially you
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Overlord 2024-02-16 11:08:07Z
also there's part of history called "folk beliefs" just because their stories are silly, doesnt mean people didnt believe that in their time
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Learath2
Anyway, I'll go get food. I know better than to argue with people on stuff like this. Especially you
Overlord 2024-02-16 11:08:19Z
i think we're having a conversation not arugment, but have a nice meal
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well, because history is just storytelling, first of all, remember most of population couldn't write, unlike today. Interpretations of certain event / things change over time, most often with new discoveries, but that's still interpretations. And important thing people love throught the ages, are novels... some are based on history and deviate
meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:08:44Z
the ones that could write back then sold paper's to go to heaven praising god they will free them off their sin if they pay a certain religious tax, i forgot the english name religion is about control, which ofc isnt always a bad thing, but its something to keep in mind
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Overlord 2024-02-16 11:09:03Z
btw it's first time in2 months i launched VM (was powered off) at work, and it still remembers my DC credentials ;_;
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meloƞ
the ones that could write back then sold paper's to go to heaven praising god they will free them off their sin if they pay a certain religious tax, i forgot the english name religion is about control, which ofc isnt always a bad thing, but its something to keep in mind
Overlord 2024-02-16 11:09:49Z
yeah, it's a form of goverment, that much should be obvious, from the fact that all religions have some sort of starter rules
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:10:29Z
i am anti religion, just based on the fact how many horrible things have happened from people who took their religion as back up praising they will go to heaven or some shit
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meloƞ
i am anti religion, just based on the fact how many horrible things have happened from people who took their religion as back up praising they will go to heaven or some shit
Overlord 2024-02-16 11:11:09Z
Im pro "sects" or however it's called in english, those illegal religions (that are often cash grabs and other stuff )
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it really gives people sense of belonging, and something to do with their lives (edited)
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^ big religions operate exactly the same, just have better deals with goverments
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personally, I see no diference between ideology and religion (but probably dictionary will prove me wrong)
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meloƞ 2024-02-16 11:13:52Z
aight i'll drop out of that discussion, saw enough, i go grab coffee
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Overlord 2024-02-16 11:14:24Z
well, im pretending to be working today, so i will be here for 4 more hours, if somone wants to talk-jab
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prefferably, if I can choose topic in advance, I would like somone to enlighten me, why humans choose convenience, over their well being.
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Or the fact that, supermarket chains(includes, stock exchange, all of the chain), currently dictate price of any "basic human need", while farmers destroy their crops, to get recompensation which is better, than selling at loss, and the fact that seeds are so genetically modified, they cannot be reused next year
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Overlord 2024-02-16 11:35:28Z
well, I should probably focus on actualy important matters, like getting public facing RDP to play at work
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tho, I realised i put way more effort into making game runs (old game / weird game) run, than actually playing anything
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I really am nuts today, but atleast im not depressed
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it's a thing i noticed, when im going long periods without any sleep
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meloƞ
i am anti religion, just based on the fact how many horrible things have happened from people who took their religion as back up praising they will go to heaven or some shit
pilonpl 2024-02-16 13:36:17Z
The logic religion uses is just incorrect i guess
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It's fine when you get to the right conclusions using that logic
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But you could justify anything
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pilonpl 2024-02-16 13:46:57Z
It's weird how religious people often say that the whole point of faith is that there is no evidence
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Like yeah
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That's my whole issue with religion xd
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I just don't know how faith can lead you to the truth
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I guess people just don't care about believing in stuff that's true
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And that's dangerous i think
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MilkeeyCat 2024-02-16 14:02:10Z
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4lex 2024-02-16 15:31:19Z
i believe in boca juniors
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25 de febrero frente a river plate
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les vamos a romper el anito
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:v
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Overlord 2024-02-16 15:33:58Z
Btw typing here at work, makes it look like i work harder than usual! Have a wonderful night im off to sleep
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pilonpl 2024-02-16 16:33:00Z
btw
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our world didnt collapse because of AI (edited)
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still
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Ryozuki 2024-02-16 17:30:46Z
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4lex 2024-02-16 19:13:12Z
be me
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loves cp
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nah just kidding :v
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zhn 2024-02-16 19:17:24Z
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pilonpl 2024-02-16 20:09:15Z
https://youtube.com/shorts/ueZbfGn95Kk
Law By Mike
Can Cops Search You At School? #law #education
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How can i invoke the fifth
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In poland?
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Lol
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Ryozuki 2024-02-16 20:41:21Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0-hvjV2A5Y
Boiler Room
Fred again.. | Boiler Room: London
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fred again night (edited)
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Learath2 2024-02-16 20:50:33Z
Tonights abomination, curry pasta with cheese
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