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Between 2024-01-28 00:00:00Z and 2024-01-29 00:00:00Z

@Learath2: can you send a voice memo on how to pronounce Learath2? Or did we do that already. I vaguely remember something.

00:08

What’s Getty? Is it this https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/illustration-of-black-curly-woman-on-pink-royalty-free-image/1480840544

Replying to @Ryozuki https://x.com/doctorow/status/1637443442921066497?s=20

00:09

What do they do? Do they sell this simple cartoon image for 500 dollar? A single image? Not as physical painting by an artist? Just a png? Or what is this about

Feature! No bug. It’s down for maintenance trying to make its ping smoother.

Replying to @jxsl13 ChillerDragon ChillerDragon's gCTF/iCTF GER1 [0.6/0.7 bridge] [OFFLINE]

lmao automatic heating

Replying to @Patiga during winter, x10 refresh rate, smoothly scaled down to 3x for summer

<ChillerDragon> am i too stupid to use bindaddr in ddnet? is anyone using it?

what does it do?

<ChillerDragon> it binds a address

03:35

<ChillerDragon> if u have multiple ips you can choose one

03:35

<ChillerDragon> from the ones that show up in ip a

03:36

<ChillerDragon> i am too stupid to use it in ddnet

03:36

<ChillerDragon> works like a charm in vanilla

like LAN or localhost or smt?

<ChillerDragon> ye

03:38

<ChillerDragon> ur wifi might have a different local ip than ur lan

03:39

<ChillerDragon> or your vps might have two public ipv4s assigned

do you set it in cfg? how do you use it?

<ChillerDragon> either

03:41

<ChillerDragon> als cli arg or cfg

03:41

<ChillerDragon> work both in vanilla and none in ddnet

03:41

<ChillerDragon> for example this should work at all times imo ./DDNet-Server "bindaddr 127.0.0.1;sv_port 8888"

03:41

<ChillerDragon> given ur 8888 is free

does it through an error or smt?

<ChillerDragon> yes that it can not bind it

03:45

<ChillerDragon> and then the server stops

yeah same

<ChillerDragon> It has to be an user error

well vanilla tw server also fails

03:46

yeah

<ChillerDragon> wait what vanilla fails for you?

03:46

<ChillerDragon> send screen

./teeworlds_srv "bindaddr 127.0.0.1;sv_port 8303"

<ChillerDragon> is 8303 free on ur sys?

yeah

<ChillerDragon> ./teeworlds_srv "bindaddr 0.0.0.0;sv_port 8303"

03:47

<ChillerDragon> does this work for u?

it does

<ChillerDragon> leak ip a pls

03:47

<ChillerDragon> maybe you have no loopback defined or sumsin

03:47

<ChillerDragon> for me 127 works

03:48

<ChillerDragon> oh which tw version? im latest commit

03:48

<ChillerDragon> I use debian BTW

pastebin or do you have a paste service?

03:48

I use antiX BTW

03:48

(debian without systemD)

<ChillerDragon> https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/

03:48

<ChillerDragon> run this as root justatest

justatest

03:48

<ChillerDragon> wget -O /usr/local/bin/cstd https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/0 && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/cstd

xD pastebin it is ig

<ChillerDragon> then cstd logfile.txt

03:49

<ChillerDragon> fakof

03:49

<ChillerDragon> then do this xd wget -q -O - --post-file <file> https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/

why does it need root though?

<ChillerDragon> to install into /usr/local/bin

yeah but why would a custom usr path suffice?

<ChillerDragon> u can also install it elsewhere but then you have to use ur own brain xd

03:50

<ChillerDragon> yes

ah

03:52

welp I'm too bored to set that up xD. https://pastebin.com/ss1hgKaL

03:52

it'll expire after 1h

<ChillerDragon> omagawd xd

03:54

<ChillerDragon> wat shell u use?

oksh I think or ksh

03:54

lemme see

<ChillerDragon> wats the rc file location?

hmm

<ChillerDragon> echo $SHELL

03:56

<ChillerDragon>

mkdir -p ~/.local/bin/;wget https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/0 -O ~/.local/bin/cstd;echo 'export PATH="$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin"' >> .kshrc

03:56

<ChillerDragon> that could work

03:56

<ChillerDragon> untested might delete ur harddrive

ru Learath though?

<ChillerDragon> hmm u have 127.0.0.1 right there why does it work for me but not for u

03:57

<ChillerDragon> i am not as evil as lerato

03:57

<ChillerDragon> wat dis do ./teeworlds_srv "bindaddr 192.168.1.10;sv_port 8888"

03:57

<ChillerDragon> also thank for ur ip enjoy ddos

np

03:57

same

<ChillerDragon> watafak

03:58

<ChillerDragon> how

xD

<ChillerDragon> it works for me

03:58

<ChillerDragon> which tw version is that?

latest from site

<ChillerDragon> latest commit?

03:58

<ChillerDragon> or latest release

latest release yeah this one https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/releases/download/0.7.5/teeworlds-0.7.5-linux_x86_64.tar.gz

<ChillerDragon> ah cring outdated

03:59

<ChillerDragon> but i somehow doubt it got fixed on master

story of vanillaa

04:00

btw that one ./tee... "bindaddr 192.168.1.10;... aslo fails to bind

<ChillerDragon> u said that alr no?

I said np and same to this

also thank for ur ip enjoy ddos

<ChillerDragon> aaaa lol

04:01

<ChillerDragon> i thought "same" also fails

yeah it did

<ChillerDragon> communication skills

we're pro grammars

<ChillerDragon> go build tw from source

ok

04:02

from github repo right?

04:06

yeah the build from source also fails with that

./teeworlds_srv "bindaddr 192.168.1.10;sv_port 8888"

<ChillerDragon> how

04:07

<ChillerDragon> what about 127.0.0.1

yeap same [2024-01-28 06:07:21][net]: failed to bind socket with domain 10 and type 2 (99 'Cannot assign requested address')

<ChillerDragon> thats not an error

04:08

<ChillerDragon> that always shows no matter wat u do xd

04:08

<ChillerDragon> but does the tw server run without crashing?

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> that always shows no matter wat u do xd

this time it didn't (I tried running with this ./teeworlds_srv "bindaddr '192.168.1.10';sv_port '8888'")

<ChillerDragon> doubt

04:09

<ChillerDragon> fakin korn shell

04:09

<ChillerDragon> watafalk

:)

<ChillerDragon> isnt that a posix string command?!

idk I have a the bad habbit of closing something I see and I no longer see what to do with it so lemme rerun the cmds again

<ChillerDragon> ./teeworlds_srv 'bindaddr 192.168.1.10;sv_port 8888'

04:10

<ChillerDragon> maybe this works in korn shell

04:10

<ChillerDragon> then defs do not run the cstd install command i sent u

04:10

<ChillerDragon> your quoting will for sure reformat the harddrive

xD

04:11

Chillerato

<ChillerDragon> justatest

justatest

04:12

<ChillerDragon> okay thats it

04:12

<ChillerDragon> i am filing a complaint

to?

<ChillerDragon> these ddnet guys

ah

<ChillerDragon> angry ddnet customer moment

did you pay your fee though?

<ChillerDragon> uhm ..

04:13

<ChillerDragon> yes i am totally paying the full premium ddnet pro monthly membership fee

nice

04:14

I was about to write where you should pay

<ChillerDragon> my company has a deal with ddnet corp so all employees get a ddnet membership for free

04:14

<ChillerDragon> #corporatebenefits

nice

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7870 How to use bindaddr for ddnet server ips?

It works like this in teeworlds and in ddnet for me on my debian laptop. teeworlds version: a1911c ddnet version: dcdc66d1dfd3fa086473ea779aec7c28f5d44f5e

./teeworlds_srv "bindaddr 0.0.0.0;sv_port 8888"

./DDNet-Server "bindaddr 0.0.0.0;sv_port 8888" So far so good. But here is where it gets weird:

```./teeworlds_srv "bindadd...

<ChillerDragon> bisect time i guess idk how far to go back

04:21

<ChillerDragon> i went 14k commits back that was before bam 5 support justatest

justatest

do you think it could be a firewall issue?

<ChillerDragon> 127.0.0.1

ikr

<ChillerDragon> its all behind the firewall

oh idkr

<ChillerDragon> also i tested 3 networks

04:22

<ChillerDragon> also why does the firewall only mess with ddnet and not tw?

04:22

<ChillerDragon> then ddnet should hack the firewall in the same way teeworlds does it

04:23

<ChillerDragon> yikes 14k commit old ddnet segfaults

04:23

<ChillerDragon> classic C++ moment

04:24

<ChillerDragon> hah okay but bindaddr works!

xD maybe the formating of the cmd inputs changed or smt

<ChillerDragon> ?? xd

monkaStop

me nobo

idk why it work with this though ./DDNet-Server "bindaddr localhost"

<ChillerDragon> localhost is a broken concept anyways

04:34

<ChillerDragon> @Mr.Gh0s7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfy4Q-uDV6I

DO NOT USE localhost | Prime Reacts

I thought localhost was 127.0.0.1

<ChillerDragon> cuz dns and localhost doing extra shits

04:34

<ChillerDragon> na watch the video localhost might be more than 127.0.0.1

k

<ChillerDragon> lmao i sent u the prime reaction for extra commentary in case your attention span drops otherwise

now what's the difference between 0.0.0.0 and 127.0.0.1?

<ChillerDragon> as far as i know 0.0.0.0 is basically bind all u can get or sumsin like that

04:41

<ChillerDragon> also usually the default

04:41

<ChillerDragon> but this is more me assuming than knowing

04:42

<ChillerDragon> what i do know is that when you bind 127.0.0.1 you do not need a firewall anymore. Because nobody from outside of your device can reach it

04:42

<ChillerDragon> while if you bind 0.0.0.0 its usually reachable

04:42

<ChillerDragon> check netstat -tulpn

04:42

<ChillerDragon> i see my ssh server at 0.0.0.0

04:43

<ChillerDragon> and a bunch of local services at 127.0.0.1

04:43

<ChillerDragon> so the test "bindaddr 0.0.0.0" might be useless its probably same as no bindaddr at all

04:44

<ChillerDragon> and then "bindaddr 192.168.178.32" is one specific ip you have and not all or the first

04:44

<ChillerDragon> idk what 0.0.0.0 even does. can it bind multiple ips?

04:44

<ChillerDragon> who knows

04:44

<ChillerDragon> networking is something that in all those years acting all techy never really clicked for me feelsbadman

feelsbadman

:(

04:46

btw this is where the code for the bindaddr is (I think) (src/engine/server/server.cpp@2765)

<ChillerDragon> i am just not exposed to any problems facing it usually so there is no hands on expiriecne

04:46

<ChillerDragon> every time i lookup some yt vids on routing and iptables im lost xd

04:46

<ChillerDragon> thanks but i know how to find a string in the code xd

:O

04:46

hax

<ChillerDragon> i could blame the shit out of it but i decided to bisect instead

;)

<ChillerDragon> also why u even awake

yru?

<ChillerDragon> isnt it 6 in the morning for u?

04:49

<ChillerDragon> for me its almost lunch time :D

:)

04:49

have you ever seen a ghost sleep?

<ChillerDragon> wat time is it for u?

6:50

<ChillerDragon> ye watfak

04:49

<ChillerDragon> why u awake

️ :scedule:

<ChillerDragon> get some help

It was I.

04:51

well now it's almost time to wake up. It'd be a waste if I slept ^^

<ChillerDragon> bruv

maybe it's the jetlag from coming from spending too much time in the underworld

<ChillerDragon> wtf

04:53

<ChillerDragon> which underworld

fng

<ChillerDragon> xxxxxxxD

04:53

<ChillerDragon> jetlag from fng

04:53

<ChillerDragon> classic

bought myself an rx 7600, midrange gpu for only 260€

1

05:05

still better than what I had lmao (1050ti with low cache and 4gb vram)

05:05

Now I can truly run teeworlds with rtx owo

owo

05:07

I was actually surprised it was that cheap for the performance it gives on most games with 1080p

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

a32fd75 A Early Winter - ddnet-maps

Cellegen

Now I can truly run teeworlds with rtx owo

owo

justatest

Cellegen

I was actually surprised it was that cheap for the performance it gives on most games with 1080p

amd consistently goes for way lower than nvidia used

06:10

brand loyalto

06:10

y

06:10

xnmx

06:10

i would have gone for 6650 xt

06:10

it's very good valur rn

06:10

gm

well, for my specs it was the most optimal tho

06:11

and I wouldnt spend too much noney on it, I just needed a replacement

Ewan

gm

gm

brownbear

<ChillerDragon> In 2019, a person chose a vanity license plate that said "NULL" and subsequently received thousands of dollars in fines from random vehicles for which the license plate was unavailable. Some database programmers somewhere along the way failed to consider the difference between the string NULL and the value NULL.

lmao

06:40

devs' worst nightmare: null as string debugging

i remember that

can you name yourself in tw null? xd

Yes but it will break ddnet servers axaxaxax

Replying to @Cellegen can you name yourself in tw null? xd

07:54

@TsFreddie: yo fred did he say anything interesting? I just randomly found this https://bamcane.github.io/articles/DDNetPP.html too lazy to use translator xd

i'm not your translator

07:55

but it's just a general guide of the mod

07:56

also you can just ask the person @Bamcane

chillerdragon

Yes but it will break ddnet servers axaxaxax

he might not know ur joking

08:01

fred u aint gotta be rude..

they did wrote a hit piece about how dead (admittedly true) TeeworldsCN was in 2022 so I don't feel like commenting more about how I feel about anything related to the guy lmao

fred do u have fortnite

i don't

Thanks mr translator c:

Replying to @TsFreddie but it's just a general guide of the mod

HUH

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

18859c6 Add 29 € funding for DDNet master by 野织 - def-

Ah he is a friend of yours

Replying to @TsFreddie they did wrote a hit piece about how dead (admittedly true) TeeworldsCN …

08:07

Look another one of your friends just donated :)

HUH

wdym friend

racist Dragon axaxaxax

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

cfb21dc Fix to 30€ - def-

Im troling a Bit

lmao

Define hit piece?

08:08

Was it trending on TikTok?

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

68419e5 typo - def-

Drunk deen

08:09

@TsFreddie:

Replying to chillerdragon Define hit piece?

just an article

08:09

on some chinese website

Such hit

08:10

What even is teeworldsCN

me

08:10

i am TeeworldsCN

How can you die?

kek

08:10

cuz I abandoned the servers

08:10

probably

Game servers!

08:10

?

idk they just think we don't host more teeworlds servers anymore and no one mods them anymore

Not sure I ever saw them. Are they behind GFW? Or is it my china ping filter

and i think we literally stopped modding all our server after that since everyone is getting jobs at that point

There are china specific mods?

08:12

Like what?

just mods that I could find back in 2013 or 2014

08:12

and my solofng

Ah like ball and shit?

ye

Cool

occasionally there might be some other things I made

Wowo developer

other than every fng reimplementation, everything just dies in a week i think

08:13

i think i've made like 3 or 4 fngs

08:14

from with fstd code, from vanilla teeworlds, from ddnet and then from ddnet but ddnet-pvp

08:14

kek

08:14

still, everything is dead tho

ddnet 1v1s lol

i couldn't bother to update any of them

08:14

ddnet-pvp is literally made for 1v1s

What is ddnet-pvp

cuz them 1v1 players keep kicking everyone just to have a server

chillerdragon

What is ddnet-pvp

it's just a ddnet server stripped back to teeworlds gameplay and with multiple rooms

well one things for sure

chillerdragon

What is ddnet-pvp

https://github.com/teeworldscn/ddnet-pvp

need good maps to make good gameplay

Cool

08:16

How merge friendly is it tho?

probably not

Or will it outdated ddnet over time :c

08:17

I see

yep, not merge friendly at all

08:17

i made it to have like 64 gamecontrollers and gameworlds

justatest

for them rooms support lmao

08:17

each room can have their own gamemode too

08:17

so it's a bit janky

oh damn

probably better off with a proxy approach in the first place

Ah it’s multi gamemode

ye, multi gamemode

Looks like the thing I started working on

i abstracted a lot of stuff in gamemode class

Modding via a proxy?

i even had a weapon class so you can just code a new weapon without keep modifying the same entities

chillerdragon

Modding via a proxy?

rooms via a proxy?

08:19

i think fok had that

08:20

since ddnet-pvp is still capped at 64 clients

Ah you want like multiple games. But one entry in the master server

08:20

Fokko has minigames but no proxy

chillerdragon

Ah you want like multiple games. But one entry in the master server

ye

Some block servers and mmo servers had that I think

mainly for everything pvp related

08:21

zcatch fng instagib and stuff

I build the exact same thing wtf

08:21

Didn’t know yours exist

so the pvp players can just have one or two servers for everything they want to play

Yes

i didn't manage to finish multi maps

I named it ddnet-insta because I only intend to add instagib based mods no vanilla damage CTF etch

it's a lot harder than i thought. or i'm just bad

I think I will just spam servers

check the issues on that repo

08:22

it was... optimistic

:D

i was quite proud about the gamecontroller interfaces tho

Go pr them to ddnet

probably can't

08:25

HUH

08:25

i would need to add ddrace back which seems too much work

08:26

I decoupled a lot of things, like one player can hold more than 5 weapons now. and you just register the weapons in your gamemode controller

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Cool stuff oke gtg

HUH

ye, imma take a nap as well

can we maybe move the community filter out of the whole (info/filter/friends) block? i still find it extremly unintuitive and currently the UI is also pretty unfair towards non-community servers

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09:20

our UI generally always feels so overwhelming, because there is so much text displayed at once

ball

dragon

hi jkupstar

09:44

fix windows issue yet

no, i won't fix it for now since it's very very edge case and also depends on the mentioned SDL bug

What about #7848?

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7848

Windowed borderless does not work correctly when selecting other sc...

If you use windowed borderless you cannot use another screen except screen 0. If you do, a second window which does not update is rendered on the choosen screen and the game is rendered on screen 0...

Maybe could be fixed by setting correct window size when changing screen

Robyt3

What about #7848?

i dont have 2 screens

10:11

i also never implemented anything for it

I see, you'd also need two screens of different size

10:12

Well, I think the shipping for one of my screens was more expensive than the screen itself (edited)

ill do it

1

Jupstar ✪

can we maybe move the community filter out of the whole (info/filter/friends) block? i still find it extremly unintuitive and currently the UI is also pretty unfair towards non-community servers

I wanted it up top

1

@Swarfey: bot supporter axaxaxax https://youtu.be/caIs71IpWTM?si=QIKELrxG1qHWbtZM

10:54

flooding for skids

O_o

10:56

Wasnt there some too many connections in a short time thingy at some point?

maybe its rigged local server

fair enuf

11:56

seems like kog, they might run some rigged ddnet (edited)

How did this even happen? Github knows my avatar but at the same time doesn't know my avatar

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Learath2

How did this even happen? Github knows my avatar but at the same time doesn't know my avatar

javascript devs

11:58

web developers, try not to have 50 sources of truth challenge, impossible difficulty

facts

justatest

11:59

thats why u gotta use htmx gigachad

gigachad

the more i use javascript(or typescript etc.) the less i like async coding. not bcs async is bad, but bcs javascript uses it for everything xD

12:00

oh the profile picture component is out of sync, let's just ignore the error

12:00

instead of handling it

12:00

we can't recover anymore anyway

Jupstar ✪

the more i use javascript(or typescript etc.) the less i like async coding. not bcs async is bad, but bcs javascript uses it for everything xD

ive seen some lib which takes async function to set .env variables. you can easily send 10 requests collect all data and then run the app

Jupstar ✪

can we maybe move the community filter out of the whole (info/filter/friends) block? i still find it extremly unintuitive and currently the UI is also pretty unfair towards non-community servers

Exactly that. +100 ❤️ I've complained about this issue back on Oct 8 when the "Communities" PR was opened, as it hurts a lot. (edited)

dunno why you wouldn't just put it next to the existing filters..

Where? Above the filter seems doable, but left or right is impossible because we still support 5:4 resolutions

Press F4 for free hat

[ddnet:18.0.2] 19 new commits

e466ef5 Version 18.0 - def- d093c31 Update translations for upcoming DDNet 18.0 - def- 55e82e2 Update German translations - def- 8a5d164 Fix multiple editor undo/redo issues - archimede67 ed7b013 Update Swedish translations for 18.0 - furo321 f612688 Update russian.txt - gerdoe-jr 49ffdfe Update brazilian_portuguese.txt - rffontenelle e633bdb Update traditional_chinese.txt - By622 68a1bbb Update simplified_chinese.txt - By622 bda0855 Fix warning title being uninitialized in some cases - Robyt3 c3835dc Divide /tp into /tpxy and /tpto - gerdoe-jr c6537e7 /tpto -> /tp and /teleport - gerdoe-jr ce7060e Fix style - def- 6888f75 Update config_variables.h - k-i-o 0aa2e9f Update spanish.txt - n0Ketchp 0cba5c5 Fix countries/types filters excluding all servers - Robyt3 a5c8941 Version 18.0.1 - def- 3594eb4 Fix updater issue. Close #7867 - Learath2 5b83405 Version 18.0.2 - def-

The new type filter seems be similar to the "game types filter", only difference is the new type filter only select the communities (in the communities filter) server

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

33ffd0f Version 18.0.2 - def-

and it's has less game types for you to choose

Bamcane

The new type filter seems be similar to the "game types filter", only difference is the new type filter only select the communities (in the communities filter) server

oh, that's a bug?

12:42

Sorry, i didn't see the commit

Seen this avatar today already. I think it’s Microsoft fucking stuff up again

Replying to @Learath2 How did this even happen? Github knows my avatar but at the same time do…

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7868 Fix updater issue. Close #7867

12:56

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

2470e74 Fix updater issue. Close #7867 - Learath2 d60852a Merge pull request #7868 from Learath2/dd_pr_updater - def-

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Robyt3

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wow, pretty ui

13:01

but why we need to add the page button join again

ooh that's nice

it would be epic without kog there

13:36

NekoEvil

@Ryozuki please trashing other people's projects, at least in a lazy way

im not trashing anything

13:37

its closed source and we should foster a open source community

you can say that, but not the first thing, please

???

#1 Be nice – Don't insult others or engage in lazy negativity towards other people's projects, even as a joke.

i didnt do that accordinf to my judgement

ah

13:40

in my view, saying negative stuff about other projects, e.g. kog, falls under that rule, if it's not accompanied by some reasoning

saying u dont want kog in ddmet client doesnt mean saying its bad or trashing it

@Robyt3 maybe we should reserve the community filters for communities hosting more than a couple of servers, while still allowing others to get a logo

Ryozuki

saying u dont want kog in ddmet client doesnt mean saying its bad or trashing it

maybe that was an overly strict reading of the rules, ok

Robyt3

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nais

14:01

cant wait for tabs back

Robyt3

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4:3 problem?

zhn

4:3 problem?

he means if left & right side are used for filters

5:4 has the lowest width available, so only 3 favorite community tabs are possible (edited)

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Robyt3

5:4 has the lowest width available, so only 3 favorite community tabs are possible (edited)

but that sounds good already

14:12

what happens if u select 4? XD

14:12

peng

Jupstar ✪

what happens if u select 4? XD

Removes the oldest one so at most 3 are selected

i see

14:13

i mean that is probs already lot of work. theoretically we could maybe add some kind of arrow that lets you select out of all favorites and throws the most right out or smth like that xD

14:14

yeah i guess your solution is fine

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

155d47b Add DDNet Turkey - def-

14:16

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

90db2cc No more variables.h - def-

14:16

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

dbcbcfc Update settings & commands - def-

@Ryozuki for AGPL, the worst of all licenses, is the one that shares a modified library always the one that takes responsiblity? e.g. i modify a AGPL lib, but don't release the source code. now this lib gets widely shared, so basically impossible to revert the "damage" are the users that use it also doing smth illegal then? What is i release the lib annonymously and it will still spread as said

you have to share the source when u share the lib/software

for normal copyrighted stuff users are probably also doing illegal stuff if they get a copy

Ryozuki

you have to share the source when u share the lib/software

yes but what happens if that doesnt happen

if u never share it or let anyone else use it i think u dont have to share, its when a user uses the software he has the right to have the source

14:19

for agpl if the user uses the server software he has the right to have the source too

Ryozuki

for agpl if the user uses the server software he has the right to have the source too

but if he doesnt have the source that's no problem for the user?

14:19

only for the one that shared it?

wdym

14:20

u mean in the context of a server?

if u get GTA 5 illegal.. you criminal if you get a modified AGPL game, whos modifications are not shared, is that illegal for the user to use?

14:20

like GTA

i think its the duty of the distributor

14:21

im sure this is all defined in legal jargon xd

14:21

but gpl is all about the user

14:21

so its proba fault of the one who has given the user the software

Ryozuki

so its proba fault of the one who has given the user the software

so if he released it annonymously, the AGPL software can be distributed without any fear?

14:22

bcs the end user defs doesnt know he is doing smth illegal

14:22

and he might share it with friends

using the software is probs never ilegal in gpl, but if u dont have the source its more about someone broke the right u have to have the soutce

14:22

fokim mobile

or even in internet, not knowing it's AGPL

Ryozuki

using the software is probs never ilegal in gpl, but if u dont have the source its more about someone broke the right u have to have the soutce

mh ok

the end user will never be dojng anything ilegal

14:23

more like someone is breaking the user rights

14:23

because the user by using agpl software has the right to obtain thw source code

i see, so the sharer is highly criminal

14:24

he betrayed 8 billion ppl

14:24

potentially

<fokkonaut> Lol, where did DDNet community go ingame?

xDD

what os do you guys use?

kog invaded us

14:37

@heinrich5991 when fix

pls go back to old ddnet, why delete the tab ddnet and Kog???

Robyt3

5:4 has the lowest width available, so only 3 favorite community tabs are possible (edited)

@VéNa

again random shit done in dev

they will come back

@deen DDNet community is missing, related to adding turkey servers to info?

pilonpl

what os do you guys use?

i want to install some reasonably easy to use linux distro

pilonpl

i want to install some reasonably easy to use linux distro

kubuntu

14:39

i dont use it

14:40

but i'd say thats a good distro

Fixed it, was a missing comma in the servers json

deen biggest trol

14:45

casual rm -rf /root in a commit disguised as „no more variables.h“

that's when u dont use vscode to edit your json

pilonpl

what os do you guys use?

i use gentoo btw

i was thinking about fedora or pop os

14:47

fedora because some other internet person told me about it

14:47

pop os because it seems like a popular distro on proton db lol

have u ever used linux before?

yes

14:47

i am using linux rn

well then fedora might be a new challenge

why

I use iOS BTW

pilonpl

why

well i dunno what your are interested in linux. fedora is simply a distro that doesnt inhered from debian or arch

14:48

like most do

14:49

if u just want good desktop experience, kubuntu or pop os might be better

14:49

fedora was the first to use LTO no most packages afaik

thats what i thought since no one on protondb uses fedora

14:50

so far i have used linux mint and manjaro

well i am biased, i don't like pop os bcs of gnome. but i guess u can try and see if u like it

other than gentoo, nixos or arch most distros are same boring

What is LTO

Replying to @Jupstar ✪ fedora was the first to use LTO no most packages afaik

its whether u choose rolling distro or not

14:54

rolling means more updated software

chillerdragon

What is LTO

optimizations at linking time

14:54

link time optimizations

Ah

lets implement tto

14:54

tee time optimization

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vto

14:55

rto

CTO

Jupstar ✪

well i am biased, i don't like pop os bcs of gnome. but i guess u can try and see if u like it

i guess its possible to install some other desktop enviroment

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7867 Updater broken?

What’s the point then

pilonpl

i guess its possible to install some other desktop enviroment

yeah dunno, chiller likes gnome

Isn’t pop os mostly about the desktop environment?

maybe ur brain is like chillers

gnome is pog

14:56

My brain is crack

14:57

I don’t like pop os because it’s not Debian

is ubuntu debian for you?

Pop os sounds like Ubuntu to me

it is

No

xd

No

based

Same as C++ is not C

you read out of sync

As oy would say it

i would use a window manager if i was pro enough to use it

i agreed with you

Oh no

14:58

Windows manager

pilonpl

i would use a window manager if i was pro enough to use it

kwin KDE window manager

14:59

KDE = Windows

KDE = Windows but in better

Gnome = macOS

Gnome = Android just for tablets only

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Wot

14:59

Rude

14:59

Android is ugly af

you got it

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finally

14:59

._.

15:00

You tricked me

is android a linux distro?

no, but modified linux kernel

so it is linux

a bit

15:02

since android 8 there is also SELinux

actually i think we need more OSes for mobile devices

i think we need one that isnt built around java

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cammostripes

but its not gonna happen

15:04

because everyone just uses android lol

yep

15:04

sadly that is the case

at least better than ios

15:04

the only issue with ios is apple

how much java is it in practice?

for me iOS is red flag anyway.. it forces you to use safari

is it JITed?

heinrich5991

is it JITed?

it's not about performance

Jupstar ✪

for me iOS is red flag anyway.. it forces you to use safari

how is that even legal lol

without java u cant request most APIs

pilonpl

how is that even legal lol

i dunno

Jupstar ✪

for me iOS is red flag anyway.. it forces you to use safari

apple has graciously allowed you to provide more browser engines thanks to the dma

15:05

but only in the eu

heinrich5991

apple has graciously allowed you to provide more browser engines thanks to the dma

but afaik the backend is still safari

15:06

or did that change recently?

yes, chnged like two days ago

yo what enum does spawn tile have again?

but no browser engine has been released, I think

ok

15:06

finally webgl 2 support on iOS XD

15:06

fcking apple

heinrich5991

but only in the eu

Did you see apple skirting the eu law requiring them to allow sideloading?

yes

15:07

I hope hte hammer comes down on them

i also heard they now allow other stores? but still want money from those

I wonder if the eu will just let it slide

core technology fee

Learath2

I wonder if the eu will just let it slide

nope

15:08

they dont even comply with the law

15:08

with the goals of the law

maybe the US is going to get some better legislation around it

15:08

if they start seeing browser enginees popping up on ios

Goals/spirit of the law interpretations are much different to letter of the law interpretations

they are one of the biggest companies in the world and they are afraid allowing people to actually use their devices will destroy their bussiness lol

The people will even defend their behaviour. If not for the pesky governments they wouldn't really even need to change anything ever

not allowing users to install software without apple's consent is actually a feature

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because

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malware

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and children

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lol

So sorry to disturb but can u check this client's legallity https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/295908390956433410/1200936283363627008

15:15

I need an offical recommend, really

i am pretty sure only the features present in the official client are allowed

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also whats the point of developing a separate client

15:18

when you could just improve the official one

Ali Furkan

So sorry to disturb but can u check this client's legallity https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/295908390956433410/1200936283363627008

if it changes what you can do with your dummy, it's not allowed

Modifying how the dummy works for any kind of advantage is against the rules.

What about chika's private Client then? Controlling what Inputs are copied by cl_dummy_copy

15:30

(only movement, only Hook, dont JUMP when Main jumps)

chillerdragon: you had to finish the refactoring and only then merge kek

kek

<ChillerDragon> oh @MilkeeyCat why xd

It does almost nothing. I thought we had to refactor everything and then merge :p

<ChillerDragon> I take every fix in master I can get c:

ty all ! it is hard to accept but I'm sure I have to put a stop to this project :( . My main motivation was making dummy more controllable and advanced. Also I wonder about Chika's private client. Is it acceptable to modify which input dummy can copy separately?

<fokkonaut> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617612976584654868/1201199673969483816/image.png?ex=65c8f35f&is=65b67e5f&hm=03286118113dc34a09c28fc7f079c35be628ab2df0b49e26ced108bd067a4c05&

Embedded image

16:19

<fokkonaut> by @woona

yes good server come blmapchill

ws-client

<fokkonaut> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617612976584654868/1201199673969483816/image.png?ex=65c8f35f&is=65b67e5f&hm=03286118113dc34a09c28fc7f079c35be628ab2df0b49e26ced108bd067a4c05&

good

hola

yo are there any instructions on how to compile old clients with bam?

smt like this https://teeworlds.com/?page=docs&wiki=compiling_everything_linux ?

thx

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

a5906df 18.0.2 - def-

nvm

16:57

okay it works

16:57

nvm

okay ddnet 3.0 is uncompileable without pulling old versions of the libraries

why is it when i comment out entire sections of code that are seemingly important, there is no change in-game? or, visually there is a change, but, it just appears very "laggy"

17:47

(i know this is a very stupid question, but if someone could humor me i would appreciate it)

17:48

and i'm talking about core features of the game, like firing the weapon, or changing "Tick" code

@baby frog are you compiling your own client or server?

i cloned ddnet and am working on that, if that's what you mean?

17:56

i make changes to game-server for example

17:58

are you suggesting that i am only making changes client-side, and server side nothing is affected? @Patiga

18:00

Ahhhhhhhh

18:00

i guess i wasn't building the solution... i was only pressing 'Play" as that worked in the past

18:00

now it's making a difference

18:01

thank you

@deen it'll have to be a 18.0.3 sorry :/

18:23

I seem to have messed up the updater much more than I thought. Just never tested a client/server update, data updates worked fine so I assumed those would also work

meloƞ

What about chika's private Client then? Controlling what Inputs are copied by cl_dummy_copy

only advantage would be to not copy movement

18:36

if you want to copy movement and hook, but not jump, then you can do that with dummy control

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7871 Fix client/server updates

Fixes a copy&paste mistake and a logic error made while fixing the updater downloading all the files at the same time.

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect ...

baby frog

if you want to copy movement and hook, but not jump, then you can do that with dummy control

simultaneously ?

I have grown so rusty that it's actually shameful

meloƞ

simultaneously ?

cl_dummy_control 1; cl_dummy_copy_moves 1; bind mouse2 “+hook; +toggle cl_dummy_hook 1 0”

interesting, the dummy gets the jump input, but doesnt jump (indicated by movement arrows) - also there's a typo in cl_dummy_control lol

yes this is a core feature of dummy_copy and dummy_control. if you have both enabled at the same time, the dummy will only copy movement and aim - and it makes jump, hook and fire optional.

19:02

never noticed the typo

"Whether can you control dummy at the same time" doesnt sound right

yeah its the same on ddnet.org

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7872 Minor improvement of dummy config variable descriptions

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

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@Ryozuki you use neovim, right?

not much lately

20:03

mostly vscode

Ryozuki

mostly vscode

what made you go back?

i had smth in my config that annoyed me

20:07

and i didnt find time to fix it so i just used vscode xd

Another question, did you have LSP working within cmake projects?

yes

20:07

i always ln -s the compile_commands.json to base dir tho

Did you use a cmake plugin or did you generate your own cmake projects and symlink?

i run cmake myself

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linux as a ide if u use nvim

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xd

20:08

i run cmake myself with vscode too tho xd

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i have a script tho

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for ddnet

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and another for llvm

one last question, did you use something like project.nvim?

no

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maybe my way is outdated tho

Learath2

@Ryozuki you use neovim, right?

are you gonna use neovim?

MilkeeyCat

are you gonna use neovim?

yeah, I'm considering it, I kinda got bored of vscode so I need something to waste my time learning so I can feel productive

Learath2

yeah, I'm considering it, I kinda got bored of vscode so I need something to waste my time learning so I can feel productive

gigachad

Learath Just Pass the clangd Compiler flag through cmake and make it an alias to get clangd working correctly with nvim

Learath2

yeah, I'm considering it, I kinda got bored of vscode so I need something to waste my time learning so I can feel productive

https://github.com/nvim-lua/kickstart.nvim you can check this out if you want owo

owo

meloƞ

Learath Just Pass the clangd Compiler flag through cmake and make it an alias to get clangd working correctly with nvim

I don't follow

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I wish we had a cmake target for generated

meloƞ

Learath Just Pass the clangd Compiler flag through cmake and make it an alias to get clangd working correctly with nvim

I'd rather not make local changes to the cmakelists, nor do I want to lock myself into only compiling with clang, keep that in mind

Not modifying the local cmake - But passing the flag: cmake -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER="/path/to/clangd"

Nvim is a Lot of fun espacially configuring it in lua

2024-01-28 23:01:52 I gfx: Created Vulkan 1.1 context.
2024-01-28 23:01:52 I gfx: unable to create window: Installed Vulkan doesn't implement the VK_KHR_surface extension
2024-01-28 23:01:52 I sdl: SDL version 2.28.4 (compiled = 2.28.4)
2024-01-28 23:01:52 I gfx: Created OpenGL 3.0 context.
2024-01-28 23:01:52 I gfx: unable to create window: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
2024-01-28 23:01:52 I gfx: setting resolution to 640x480 and trying again
2024-01-28 22:57:43 I gfx: Created OpenGL 1.4 context.
2024-01-28 22:57:43 I gfx: unable to create window: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
2024-01-28 22:57:43 I gfx: out of ideas. failed to init graphics

melonarch@melonarch ~/P/d/build (master) [SIGSEGV]> vulkaninfo | grep VK_KHR_surface
    VK_KHR_surface                         : extension revision 25
    VK_KHR_surface_protected_capabilities  : extension revision 1

ay kurwa (edited)

It's not your graphics driver it's your x server that looks broken

yep, seems like i made an oopsie in my xorg.conf.d - a rollback fixed it

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7873 switch screen on windowed borderless mode

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

22:46

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7873 switch screen on windowed borderless mode

AYOOO

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Robyt3

Maybe could be fixed by setting correct window size when changing screen

sorry was my first pr so I closed it by wrong, check if it's fix that switch screen problem or not

Vexar

sorry was my first pr so I closed it by wrong, check if it's fix that switch screen problem or not

the PR is there to check if anything's wrong to it and give feedback/comments etc, feel free to reopen i'd say also add #7848 to the description - like closes #7848 (edited)

yo @Jupstar ✪ is there any function in ddnet to convert mouse pos to world pos? im trying to make a little sketchboard for tactics

Teero

yo @Jupstar ✪ is there any function in ddnet to convert mouse pos to world pos? im trying to make a little sketchboard for tactics

MapScreenToWorld sounds promising

feelsbadman

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