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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6973 Saves using what password?

Replying to @Baran Nashor can someone make a feature that saves automatically when team members ge…

00:11

Yes c:

Replying to @Learath2 That's a good idea actually, an emergency save

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7842 Update config_variables.h

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Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/d...

Hey I'm helping someone use my twgpu tools (to generate images of maps). they managed to make it work on their own pc, but want to run it on a vps. however, whenever they run anything wgpu-related, they get stack smashing errors. I'm not sure if they installed graphics drivers correctly. first, wgpu went "no suitable adapter found", then they followed this https://askubuntu.com/questions/429596/how-to-choose-the-vga-when-setting-up-the-x-server, and now everything results in a stack smash https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969013185577381888/1198793524452261930/image.png?ex=65c03278&is=65adbd78&hm=8f1bf15c62ee0f85b7b6b6c07d096ba4c4abad145470156d5cb50592c048b28d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969013185577381888/1198790258322591854/image.png?ex=65c02f6e&is=65adba6e&hm=47399799db95d36f273d90a4b97fb83ad5fefb2c04d6a3864669a853c8a8797f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969013185577381888/1198797064247713812/image.png?ex=65c035c4&is=65adc0c4&hm=8ee3ee129f0793c490ff2b0aa5605d3edd124708abbdce3655a7fcf23e92dd05& wgpu-info is a simple tool that only lists the available adapters for wgpu https://crates.io/crates/wgpu-info other rust binaries still run normally, such as my map tools

How to choose the VGA when setting up the X Server?

I have 2 options of VGA: lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5446 00:03.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK104GL [GRID K520] (rev a1) It's an instan...

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01:16

I honestly have no experience at all with vps and graphics drivers, so if anyone has an idea, that would be awesome ^^

01:18

I haven't tried to get them to debug the crash further yet, maybe that is necessary? First wanted to see if someone here has the solution cached

<ChillerDragon> "has the solution cached" love that phrase haha

01:26

<ChillerDragon> can wgpu run on the cpu? Might be slower but sounds less driver issue painy

01:27

<ChillerDragon> i can offer you to run the same thing on my debian 12 vps and debian 12 laptop if it helps @Patiga

I think there are cpu graphics drivers exist, which wgpu could use

01:27

maybe mesa?

01:32

ChillerDragon: its for someone else, I'm pretty sure they want to run it on their own server

01:33

but thanks for the offer :)

<ChillerDragon> oh no not for production i mean to test the issue if i can reproduce it etc

Patiga

I haven't tried to get them to debug the crash further yet, maybe that is necessary? First wanted to see if someone here has the solution cached

I used mesas lavapipe, which is vulkan software renderer, in my vps to run try the off screen capabilities of dd-pg engine. What was directly a problem is that the mesa 22 and lower didn't work at all on the vps CPU I unsafely upgraded them and it worked without problems

08:28

But I'm pretty sure it was no stack smashing.. But maybe you can try your tool on your main computer using a software renderer?

[ddnet:18.0] 14 new commits

e466ef5 Version 18.0 - def- d093c31 Update translations for upcoming DDNet 18.0 - def- 55e82e2 Update German translations - def- 8a5d164 Fix multiple editor undo/redo issues - archimede67 ed7b013 Update Swedish translations for 18.0 - furo321 f612688 Update russian.txt - gerdoe-jr 49ffdfe Update brazilian_portuguese.txt - rffontenelle e633bdb Update traditional_chinese.txt - By622 68a1bbb Update simplified_chinese.txt - By622 bda0855 Fix warning title being uninitialized in some cases - Robyt3 c3835dc Divide /tp into /tpxy and /tpto - gerdoe-jr c6537e7 /tpto -> /tp and /teleport - gerdoe-jr ce7060e Fix style - def- 6888f75 Update config_variables.h - k-i-o

Could try to also get this issue

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

de0bd3a Version 18.0 - def-

08:30

[ddnet-web:pr-18.0] 1 new commit

bd1dfd8 Version 18.0 - def-

08:30

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7800 DDNet 18.0

Patiga

Hey I'm helping someone use my twgpu tools (to generate images of maps). they managed to make it work on their own pc, but want to run it on a vps. however, whenever they run anything wgpu-related, they get stack smashing errors. I'm not sure if they installed graphics drivers correctly. first, wgpu went "no suitable adapter found", then they followed this https://askubuntu.com/questions/429596/how-to-choose-the-vga-when-setting-up-the-x-server, and now everything results in a stack smash https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969013185577381888/1198793524452261930/image.png?ex=65c03278&is=65adbd78&hm=8f1bf15c62ee0f85b7b6b6c07d096ba4c4abad145470156d5cb50592c048b28d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969013185577381888/1198790258322591854/image.png?ex=65c02f6e&is=65adba6e&hm=47399799db95d36f273d90a4b97fb83ad5fefb2c04d6a3864669a853c8a8797f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969013185577381888/1198797064247713812/image.png?ex=65c035c4&is=65adc0c4&hm=8ee3ee129f0793c490ff2b0aa5605d3edd124708abbdce3655a7fcf23e92dd05& wgpu-info is a simple tool that only lists the available adapters for wgpu https://crates.io/crates/wgpu-info other rust binaries still run normally, such as my map tools

BTW has wgpu no surface less mode if using vulkan back end? Normally u don't need any x server. At least not directly.. The mesa drivers have it as dependency. But that's mostly because of the surface extension

08:45

In other words. Surfaces are a extension. Without this extension vulkan is really more a communication api for the gpu

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

79cf3b4 Update config_variables.h - k-i-o 45ab8e9 Merge pull request #7842 from k-i-o/patch-1 - def-

08:51

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7842 Update config_variables.h

Jupstar ✪

BTW has wgpu no surface less mode if using vulkan back end? Normally u don't need any x server. At least not directly.. The mesa drivers have it as dependency. But that's mostly because of the surface extension

afaik, no surfaces are no extension, and there is no feature for it. you can ofc not use the surface struct, but the feature resolving happens at the device initialization, right?

Jupstar ✪

I used mesas lavapipe, which is vulkan software renderer, in my vps to run try the off screen capabilities of dd-pg engine. What was directly a problem is that the mesa 22 and lower didn't work at all on the vps CPU I unsafely upgraded them and it worked without problems

this sounds good, that should hopefully work

Jupstar ✪

But I'm pretty sure it was no stack smashing.. But maybe you can try your tool on your main computer using a software renderer?

yeah the stack smashing is rly weird imo, how could the graphics driver installation fail so drastically

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> oh no not for production i mean to test the issue if i can reproduce it etc

good point, I'll get back to that if all else fails

Patiga

afaik, no surfaces are no extension, and there is no feature for it. you can ofc not use the surface struct, but the feature resolving happens at the device initialization, right?

For vulkan you have to explicitly enable the surface extension. Which in case of winit or SDL is a call to these APIs to fetch the correct extension name

08:59

So if you don't have this control. Then probably not possible

08:59

But yeah it happens at instance creation

ws-client

<ChillerDragon>

(((!(tw7.msg == "sys.input")) && !(tw7.msg == "sys.snap_single")) && !(tw7.msg == "sys.input_timing")) && !(tw7.msg == "sys.snap_empty")

ChillerDragon: interesting, wouldn't have thought it to be possible ^^

11:37

ChillerDragon: but wait, where are the packets that also contain snaps but also interesting other packets?

<ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 yep i also realized i didnt post my updated even more complicated filter :D

12:10

<ChillerDragon> https://gist.github.com/ChillerDragon/dff6661613533c9bd17ad790e01e8c97

Get rid of input and snapshot noise using a wireshark filter for th...

Get rid of input and snapshot noise using a wireshark filter for the libtw2 teeworlds traffic dissector - wireshark_libtw2_no_noise.txt

12:11

<ChillerDragon> it now keeps snaps if the packet also contains non snap packets. I do it by only filtering out snaps if the amount of chunks is the expected amount

this looks better

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1705925584.png

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12:13

<ChillerDragon> sadly i didnt find a way to filter this. But its rare and its a false negative so thats not so bad.

12:14

<ChillerDragon> wireshark filters do have some count methods so it is probably possible to check if input_timing is in there twice but i did not bother yet

<ChillerDragon> lmao open source china firewall i love it

12:33

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/apernet/OpenGFW

GitHub - apernet/OpenGFW: OpenGFW is a flexible, easy-to-use, open ...

OpenGFW is a flexible, easy-to-use, open source implementation of GFW on Linux - GitHub - apernet/OpenGFW: OpenGFW is a flexible, easy-to-use, open source implementation of GFW on Linux

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #281 Version 18.0

12:33

[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

bd1dfd8 Version 18.0 - def- 8e3aa70 Merge pull request #281 from ddnet/pr-18.0 - def-

<ChillerDragon> oldest commit 2days ago. And 1.6k github stars wtf. This shit is hotter than elon musk tweets

12:34

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/apernet/OpenGFW/issues/12

Delete OpenGFW. · Issue #12 · apernet/OpenGFW

I am worried that the Chinese government will learn from this project and strengthen GFW, thereby causing losses to Chinese software developers. Such as not being able to access their projects or b...

12:34

<ChillerDragon> gold

12:34

<ChillerDragon> @TsFreddie u worried too fred? :D

12:36

<ChillerDragon> but it is kinda scary if this thing keeps trending like this. It might be the new normal that some bored front desk employee at a cafe or hotel starts looking at the traffoc of the customers

Tja

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> but it is kinda scary if this thing keeps trending like this. It might be the new normal that some bored front desk employee at a cafe or hotel starts looking at the traffoc of the customers

))) new normal

13:16

u mean old normal?

<ChillerDragon> I dont think its a thing. What is common as of right now that a bunch of fancy routers (at least in germany) show which sites the traffic goes to.

13:17

<ChillerDragon> I could see how much traffic at work was porn :D and seen such stats in a few places

13:18

<ChillerDragon> but i never heard of something so sophisticated such as the GFW. That it starts to analyze the packets deeper and migh even show which urls on a specific host are accessed

13:19

<ChillerDragon> Starbucks employees might now see my rcon password for gCTF servers o.O

13:19

<ChillerDragon> popping up in some fancy gui

13:20

<ChillerDragon> okay thats unlikely but i mean they might see what youtube videos i watch

13:20

<ChillerDragon> which is already pretty disturbing

13:24

<ChillerDragon> dude but how has this new repo so many stars?! was it force pushed?

13:24

<ChillerDragon> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39081860

gslin

OpenGFW is a flexible, easy-to-use, open source implementation of GFW on Linux

13:24

<ChillerDragon> it has like 0 upvotes on hackernews

13:24

<ChillerDragon> is github algo now more viral than tiktok or what?

13:25

<ChillerDragon> maybe its trending on some chines sites. Again fred help

13:25

<ChillerDragon> https://twitter.com/hardenedlinux/status/1748929921345556512

Hardened-GNU/Linux (@hardenedlinux) on X

https://t.co/ETLb0HEuhW #gfw #open #implementation #censorship

13:25

<ChillerDragon> also not trending on X

what's gfw? My internet is bad can't open websites...

great firewall? (edited)

<ChillerDragon> the chines firewall yes GREAT FIRE WALL

MilkeeyCat

great firewall? (edited)

yep

XDD

<ChillerDragon> the one that uses block chain and AI to block club penguin in china

To block nearly every western company

I can't tell if you're joking or not justatest

justatest

Discord, Facebook, Google all is blocked due to GFW

13:27

So Tencent can build their own service called Bilibili and QQ

if u can play ddnet there its not that bad

<ChillerDragon> also github is blocked so basically no dev tooling works in china

MilkeeyCat

if u can play ddnet there its not that bad

Well, its illegal in China. The game itself has no license in china

<ChillerDragon> many ppl depend on github urls espeially raw.githubusercontent.com

Avolicious

So Tencent can build their own service called Bilibili and QQ

i never in my life read correctly bililibilili xd

AFAIK: To sell games in china, you have to get approval by authorities, thus you need a license

MilkeeyCat

i never in my life read correctly bililibilili xd

Yeah, its their "youtube"

<ChillerDragon> dude 12yo fred went to da polis station to register his tw server

13:29

<ChillerDragon> just china things

But it seems that their services are pretty stable

Yes china best. I use weechat a lot

Hello @heinrich5991 @Learath2 @deen How can I apply for community feature?

Write hand written letter to Dennis Felsing Müllerstraße 6 62621 Berlin And attach copy of passport

leak?

opsi thought it’s private chat

That is not my address

xd fun police

chillerdragon

Write hand written letter to Dennis Felsing Müllerstraße 6 62621 Berlin And attach copy of passport

PII data, please remove

deen

That is not my address

not yet, chiller knows you'll move to berlin in approx 5 years to exactly that adress!

chillerdragon: can you even remove messages? kek

kek

it seems not XDD

No irc has no such feature. And I also didn’t add a fake remove. Well matrix has one. So I could delete my matrix messages idk what exactly your asking about :D Anyways everything posted in this channel stays in irc logs forever

Replying to @MilkeeyCat chillerdragon: can you even remove messages?

Copying it here from #bugs It seems like you can't rotate quads anymore with ctrl+left click It works in 17.1.1 at least ctrl+click does nothing anymore

Make GH issue

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7843 Editor - Can't rotate quads anymore

It seems like you can't rotate quads anymore with ctrl+left click. It works in 17.1.1 at least. ctrl+click does nothing anymore.

15:07

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7844 Update spanish.txt

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

Pipou

Copying it here from #bugs It seems like you can't rotate quads anymore with ctrl+left click It works in 17.1.1 at least ctrl+click does nothing anymore

press r

15:17

i beblieve

r and move mouse

15:21

again r to stop rotating

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7845 Feature request: Option to register server by domain and SSL (instead of IP)

Do I really have to write why I want that feature?

This would allow servers to have more dynamic IP addresses without favorites being lost
Fricking SSL support allowing servers to verify themselves, this prevents phishing attack by servers pretending to be another one.
Multiple servers under one domain, allowing interesting new architectures. This could make it possible for a server to send a player to a different one (with a smart loadbalancer)

related: #2851

louis

press r

Lol wtf

15:40

Ctrl click was simpler (edited)

i've spent like 2 mins getting used to r, it's not bad

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7844 Update spanish.txt

15:46

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

752e837 Update spanish.txt - n0Ketchp ddd3d25 Merge pull request #7844 from n0Ketchp/patch-16 - def-

heh, are we going blender style? :D

15:49

r to rotate, g to move, s to scale

Is it possible to unable the fact that quads align to one another?

15:53

Also, would it be possible to improve the performance when zooming out in the editor (make it as smooth and as fast as the in-game zoom)

is it possible to make it visible if someone is spectateing you?

what exactly

if i select someone with shift for spectating show it for him that i spectate him

16:08

like in hearthstone

Pipou

Is it possible to unable the fact that quads align to one another?

Yes, it is in the settings menu, the last two options are about that feature

Pipou

Copying it here from #bugs It seems like you can't rotate quads anymore with ctrl+left click It works in 17.1.1 at least ctrl+click does nothing anymore

Is this considered as a bug?

16:17

Or was it simply replaced by "r"

I have no idea, it's less practical @archimede67

BlaiZephyr | meloƞ

not yet, chiller knows you'll move to berlin in approx 5 years to exactly that adress!

berlin zip codes start with 1

heinrich casually doxing an entire city

16:22

Blender keybindings are pog

Replying to @Patiga r to rotate, g to move, s to scale

<MilkeeyCat> `https://yes.no`

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<MilkeeyCat> whoops justatest

justatest

Filtered by GFW

OpenGFW

Can’t reach in my censor country

hello there

they already adapted

what will happen if i use for in a tick()

It will cause lags if it’s too slow

16:24

But computers are fast

what if the for takes 50 tick's to get don ?

fokkonaut

Hello @heinrich5991 @Learath2 @deen How can I apply for community feature?

by not pinging everyone

there are lot of fors in tick

As lerato always says: clock cycles are free. Hardware gets better so write slower code!

Jupstar ✪

there are lot of fors in tick

yeh i see

You need a big ass for to take 50 ticks even on a raspberry pi

16:26

Just don’t use while (true) axaxaxax

chillerdragon

As lerato always says: clock cycles are free. Hardware gets better so write slower code!

and use more ram

can you explain the process step in step ?

even if u dont need it

how it will be done

16:27

it will make another tread for that for ?

for (auto four = 4; four < 4 + 4; four += 4) { ... }

Just download more tame

16:27

Ram

16:27

It won’t

16:27

You have to do it your self

რილია

it will make another tread for that for ?

lmao

will it mess up the tick speed ?

no

C++ is not web scale

16:28

If you turn it on it doesn’t scale right up

it depends fully on your for loop

16:28

if u download four k teeporn then yes

Doing 100 iterations with simple operations inside is smooth af

chillerdragon

C++ is not web scale

it's so web scale

რილია

will it mess up the tick speed ?

just show your code

Jupstar ✪

just show your code

no

u always ask questions, i dont even know what u doing

Web scale would turn for loops into threads xaxaxax

რილია

no

why not

Jupstar ✪

why not

the code is personal stuff

რილია

the code is personal stuff

yeah for sure

16:30

what r u working on?

chillerdragon: i renamed those variables owo

owo

he switched to client side hehe

Jupstar ✪

what r u working on?

just wondering about for for a second

Cool thanks I’m on da phone will look tomorrow @MilkeeyCat

i can't foresee your thoughts about using for tho using four fors inside each other can cause a for-ception. which is bad for performance

16:32

perFORmance

16:32

to be precise

foresee lmao

16:33

yeah just use recursion it’s faster

i will show my code

16:33

but don't suggest anything

for four seconds

it's lazy

Lazy code pog

void CCharacter::ExplodingProcess()
{
    if(m_ExplodingProcessStartTick == -1)
    {
        m_ExplodingProcessStartTick = Server()->Tick();
        for(int i; (i <= 16) && m_ExplodingProcessStartTick*(16*10) >= Server()->Tick();)
        {
            if((i*10)+m_ExplodingProcessStartTick == Server()->Tick())
            {
                GameServer()->SendEmoticon(m_pPlayer->GetCID(), i, -1);
                i++;
            }
        }
    }
    return;
}

0fps code

well 1. you dont init int i

16:35

that's already a bug

Oh true

i couldn't test it, cus it's crash the sv, but not shuting it down

loool

16:36

Also where did the i++ go?

bro i am too stupid to read your code xD

i know this loop took long to be done

Is this chatgpt

Jupstar ✪

bro i am too stupid to read your code xD

git gud

santatrollet

it looks like u only increase i under a certain condition

16:36

that sounds pretty scarry

Yes

16:36

And the condition involves i

what if that condition is never true?

It goes to 0 fps

i wanted to cycle throgh all the emotes every 10 tick's that's all

16:38

if the tee is in exploding process

16:39

and the 16 is the maximum emoteicons i guss

16:40

15 maybe

okay first things first: this code should never take longer than 1 tick to run (in reality it will only take a tiny fraction of a tick), assuming that it is bug-free

16:41

are you open to suggestions now, or was that the answer you were looking for?

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7846 Blockworlds application to newest community feature

Hi everyone, I've been told by Avolicious that I'd need to apply to be part of the newest community feature (and suggested to open an issue). I think the community feature is part of this issue #5654. What do we have to provide to be considered as trusted and part of that newest feature ?

Patiga

okay first things first: this code should never take longer than 1 tick to run (in reality it will only take a tiny fraction of a tick), assuming that it is bug-free

but what if it takes more than 1 tick to be done, yes im open

16:45

my fucking masages don't get sent

Patiga

okay first things first: this code should never take longer than 1 tick to run (in reality it will only take a tiny fraction of a tick), assuming that it is bug-free

if it don't take more than 1 tick it's like every other statements in the tick, am i right ?

yes

რილია

but what if it takes more than 1 tick to be done, yes im open

then there is a bug, causing the loop to last much much longer than it should

16:49

like jupstar already said, the variable i is not set to any number, causing undefined behavior

16:49

but honestly I also struggle to understand the code at all

the code is lazy

16:50

like me

16:51

can you involve tick in your for() ? (edited)

16:52

ah man i get it now

16:52

you can't, cus you never gonna go to the next tick in the for (edited)

16:53

thanks ❤️

the problem is that it doesn't seem to make sense to me @რილია assuming that CCharacter::ExplodingProcess is called every tick, and m_ExplodingProcessStartTick is set externally to the tick when the tee explodes, you could simply do: 1. calculate tick_duration = server_tick - current_tick, that is the tick duration since the exploding started 2. do a if tick_duration < 150 { return; } to make the animation last only 3 seconds 3. emoji = tick_duration % 16 4. send that emoji I don't think you need a for loop for this

რილია

you can't, cus you never gonna go to the next tick in the for (edited)

exactly :)

Patiga

the problem is that it doesn't seem to make sense to me @რილია assuming that CCharacter::ExplodingProcess is called every tick, and m_ExplodingProcessStartTick is set externally to the tick when the tee explodes, you could simply do: 1. calculate tick_duration = server_tick - current_tick, that is the tick duration since the exploding started 2. do a if tick_duration < 150 { return; } to make the animation last only 3 seconds 3. emoji = tick_duration % 16 4. send that emoji I don't think you need a for loop for this

yeh this is smart and also fast

heartw

1

at 2., it should be > 150, not < 150

რილია

and the 16 is the maximum emoteicons i guss

There is NUM_EMOTICONS, which is 15.

heartw

1

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

1a652ab Add 88€ funding for USA3 by YupHio - def-

17:20

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

6c6db2e typo - def-

morning

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7847 Filter bug, when selecting None

If you had countries selected, then press None => then you can't select countries anymore, but the countries you selected previously are still part of the filter process. That easily leads to 0 servers, without intuitively understanding why it happens

can i safely assume that this is a fake server now?

Image attachment

17:49

37.221.67.9:8303

37.221.67.9:8303 is not a DDNet or KoG server.

@Avolicious

there is another TUR #1 server with different ip

17:50

@heinrich5991 too ^

17:51

195.85.201.173:8303

17:51

(real server)

195.85.201.173:8303 appears to be a KoG server. DDNet and KoG aren't affiliated. Join their discord and ask for help there instead. https://discord.kog.tw/

Yeah, its fake

bb = big ban

ban backwards = nab

18:04

@Mr.Gh0s7 btw, now that you are here. Is your new fng server still a thing?

18:04

has oreo ever played it? xd

dfng?

i dunno how you called it

Jupstar ✪

@Mr.Gh0s7 btw, now that you are here. Is your new fng server still a thing?

I mean it's up but we (me and zogtib) kinda stopped developing it xD

ok xd

I think oreo has played it though :)

Mr.Gh0s7

I mean it's up but we (me and zogtib) kinda stopped developing it xD

It's kinda like ALIVE servers rn

18:08

the main reason i lost interest in dev fng is, that i want more client support

18:09

end of 2024 is the time for fng

yeah same

18:11

dd-pg is the future!

Mr.Gh0s7

dd-pg is the future!

you have a good taste

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E_9cr3Kj4wk_3GKM-4wjl_SSzByNg51h/view?usp=drive_link can someone explain this, i tried to compile my source on a linux server as always

19:08

and why downloading and building the rust packages take ages ?

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and why downloading and building the rust packages take ages ?

you have network problem maybe (edited)

fucking rust

@BlaiZephyr | meloƞ and I wrote an SQL query to figure out how many new players started in 2023:

SELECT
  name,
  total_points,
  t
FROM
  (
    SELECT
      r.name,
      MIN(r.timestamp) AS t,
      SUM(m.points) as total_points
    FROM
      race AS r
      JOIN maps AS m ON r.map = m.map
    GROUP BY
      name
  ) AS subquery
WHERE
  t BETWEEN '2023-01-01'
  AND '2023-12-31'
  AND total_points > 50;

Use it here: https://db.ddstats.org/ It assumes that someone is only a new player if their first finish was in 2023 and they have collected more than 50 points in total Unless there is an error in this query, this results in 24273 new players. Obviously this excludes people who started playing on existing account names and it definitely includes alt names (edited)

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E_9cr3Kj4wk_3GKM-4wjl_SSzByNg51h/view?usp=drive_link can someone explain this, i tried to compile my source on a linux server as always

why i never get this before, i didn't changed anything on those files

Scrumplex

@BlaiZephyr | meloƞ and I wrote an SQL query to figure out how many new players started in 2023:

SELECT
  name,
  total_points,
  t
FROM
  (
    SELECT
      r.name,
      MIN(r.timestamp) AS t,
      SUM(m.points) as total_points
    FROM
      race AS r
      JOIN maps AS m ON r.map = m.map
    GROUP BY
      name
  ) AS subquery
WHERE
  t BETWEEN '2023-01-01'
  AND '2023-12-31'
  AND total_points > 50;

Use it here: https://db.ddstats.org/ It assumes that someone is only a new player if their first finish was in 2023 and they have collected more than 50 points in total Unless there is an error in this query, this results in 24273 new players. Obviously this excludes people who started playing on existing account names and it definitely includes alt names (edited)

only 520 - considering the steam release - feels low af

BlaiZephyr | meloƞ

only 520 - considering the steam release - feels low af

wdym. This is just new players in 2023. Steam release was in 2020

(edited)

but i guess we can assume people not to reach 50 points before quitting if they dont like the game

sounds like skill isssue

well steam has over 30 million players - over 6 million active ones: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330211/steam-peak-concurrent-players/ only 500 feels low at that point, also considering ddrace beeing a good rated free2play game (edited)

Steam peak concurrent players 2023 | Statista

In January 2023, gaming platform and digital storefront Steam reported 33 million peak concurrent players, up from 30 million peak concurrent players in the preceding year.

maybe the SQL is actually wrong

19:16

found the issue

19:16

there is a rogue WHERE name

19:18

new number is 24273 in 2023 (edited)

Scrumplex

new number is 24273 in 2023 (edited)

yes

it seems rather high tbh

19:19

but considering that there are 200.000 unique usernames it might be realistic

how many names is there ?

19:20

all the names who ever played ddnet

oh sorry

19:20

the 200.000 was unique names in 2023

19:21

there are 1.153.219 different usernames in the whole database

select
  count(distinct Name)
from
  race

(edited)

1.138.483 is the number i get ? :D

Scrumplex

there are 1.153.219 different usernames in the whole database

select
  count(distinct Name)
from
  race

(edited)

how this is not wrong ? must be more than this

BlaiZephyr | meloƞ

1.138.483 is the number i get ? :D

i just ran it again: https://scrumplex.rocks/img/1705951331_zo0Ahl.png

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19:22

now it's cached for me tho (edited)

19:23

adding spaces to query to bypass cache results in the same number each time

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how this is not wrong ? must be more than this

the number is can't cover even the chinese people

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the number is can't cover even the chinese people

why not? :O

there are too many players and they have unique names ?

hmm..

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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ

hmm..

oh i just count all players

19:25

no matter which maps they played

ah well then yeah you get 1153219

maybe it count the players with standard names

so there are 20000 players who only played fun or 0p race maps

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E_9cr3Kj4wk_3GKM-4wjl_SSzByNg51h/view?usp=drive_link can someone explain this, i tried to compile my source on a linux server as always

someone heeelp

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someone heeelp

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19:27

you need to share the file as public

Scrumplex

Click to see attachment 🖼️

hah

BlaiZephyr | meloƞ

but i guess we can assume people not to reach 50 points before quitting if they dont like the game

that would take 10-50 novices

Scrumplex

Click to see attachment 🖼️

can you see it now ?

cyberFighter

that would take 10-50 novices

or one 5* insane - ez

50 points is really a lot if u are new

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can you see it now ?

yup. How did you install rust?

cyberFighter

50 points is really a lot if u are new

yes. But if someone just tries the game once they probably wont have 50 points

it would probably take them a bit for 50 even if they like it imo

19:30

or if they look at other modes too

Scrumplex

yup. How did you install rust?

i just did regular cmake stuff, like cmake -B build -C . and make .

but its fine

19:30

lul

19:31

imagine some gigachad getting 50 points and THEN leaving

there is a problem with the sql query though. Anyone who starts out near the end of the year and doesnt make it to 50 points is forever excluded from this

why does that happen

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7848 Windowed fullscreen does not work correctly when selecting other screen

If you use windowed fullscreen you cannot use another screen except screen 0. If you do, a second window which does not update is rendered on the choosen screen and the game is rendered on screen 0 normally. Happens with OpenGL and with Vulkan. Happens with Windows 10. Can anyone confirm it also happens on Linux/macOS?

another screen as in like another monitor?

19:33

i could try it on linux

yeah, other monitor in the graphics settings

I can try on windows 11

19:36

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19:37

when switch to second monitor it's change to windowed mode and resolution is still follow my first monitor that doesn't support on my second one

I meant "windowed borderless" sorry

cyberFighter

why does that happen

oh nvm actually

I guess the fix would be the same here

oh okay let me try again

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i just did regular cmake stuff, like cmake -B build -C . and make .

yeah but dont you need to download and install rust first?

Would probably work if we switch to windowed first and then switch back after changing the screen

Robyt3

Would probably work if we switch to windowed first and then switch back after changing the screen

yeah it's fix it

19:39

cuz when i manually put to window fullscreen on second one it's fine for me

Scrumplex

yeah but dont you need to download and install rust first?

no, it get installed with cmake, i compiled my source about 6 times, this is the first time i getting this, and i never changed anything in *.rs files

Vexar

cuz when i manually put to window fullscreen on second one it's fine for me

If you start with Windowed Borderless and not screen 0 then it's still broken though

Robyt3

If you start with Windowed Borderless and not screen 0 then it's still broken though

no it's fine with windowed borderless on screen 1

Thanks for testing, maybe it's a me-problem or specific to Windows 10 then

19:42

This issue also happens only to me for some reason #6578

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6578

Game window is not shown after restarting game in Windowed and Wind...

After restarting the client from within the client itself (via auto-updater or restart command added in #6577), the game window is entirely missing with Fullscreen mode: Windowed or Windowed Fullsc...

maybe but it would be nice to when switch to other screen it set to highest resolution

DDNet

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6578

it's happened to me too but In my own custom client so I had to replace restart with quit after update done

19:44

And there is also a bug

19:44

enter text in chat for example a then enter b

Vexar

maybe but it would be nice to when switch to other screen it set to highest resolution

Seems like this fixes the issue for me. When I set the correct resultion windowed borderless also works on other screens.

and when you press up it's show b but press escape button on your keyboard and again open chat and press up it's show a instead of b

Robyt3

Seems like this fixes the issue for me. When I set the correct resultion windowed borderless also works on other screens.

in my case my monitor highest resolution isn't same so it's goes out of monitor on second monitor

Vexar

and when you press up it's show b but press escape button on your keyboard and again open chat and press up it's show a instead of b

Not sure I understand correctly, do you use cl_chat_reset 0?

no

Robyt3

Not sure I understand correctly, do you use cl_chat_reset 0?

oh it's fixed on DDNet 18.0

Autorule doesn't work anymore

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7849 Editor - Autorule doesn't work anymore

Autorule doesn't work. I tried to change it multiple times but it says "none" (the rule file of the same name as the image contains rules). I tried the same thing on 17.1 and autorule works there.

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7850 Shell extension not being registered correctly for some players

shell_register_application: Error opening registry key: The system cannot find the specified file.
client: Failed to register application

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7851 allow the console log to recognize and handle URLs.

i always thought about it more as a meme, but at some points i would personally find that useful, its just a small QoL as you can just copy paste, but i'd find it useful in some scenarios - espacially because i share a lot of links in interactive Discord (ddnet)

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7852 Fix countries/types filters excluding all servers

Instead of cleaning the countries/types filters based on all available communities' countries/types, only consider the countries/types of currently selected communities. Ensure countries/types are always cleaned when updating the server browser filter in the UI. This fixes that countries/types which are not available for the selected communities were still affecting the server filtering, causing no servers to be shown in some cases. Closes #7847.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ...

[ddnet:18.0.1] 17 new commits

e466ef5 Version 18.0 - def- d093c31 Update translations for upcoming DDNet 18.0 - def- 55e82e2 Update German translations - def- 8a5d164 Fix multiple editor undo/redo issues - archimede67 ed7b013 Update Swedish translations for 18.0 - furo321 f612688 Update russian.txt - gerdoe-jr 49ffdfe Update brazilian_portuguese.txt - rffontenelle e633bdb Update traditional_chinese.txt - By622 68a1bbb Update simplified_chinese.txt - By622 bda0855 Fix warning title being uninitialized in some cases - Robyt3 c3835dc Divide /tp into /tpxy and /tpto - gerdoe-jr c6537e7 /tpto -> /tp and /teleport - gerdoe-jr ce7060e Fix style - def- 6888f75 Update config_variables.h - k-i-o 0aa2e9f Update spanish.txt - n0Ketchp 0cba5c5 Fix countries/types filters excluding all servers - Robyt3 a5c8941 Version 18.0.1 - def-

21:53

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

4f18816 Version 18.0.1 - def-

Did anyone try to add ImGui to ddnet? Cuz default GUI sucks

xddd

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7846 Blockworlds application to newest community feature

angular

Did anyone try to add ImGui to ddnet? Cuz default GUI sucks

and u think imgui is better???

22:56

oh yea i discovered u can plug any stdio compliant language server into qt creator

22:56

so i can do like this

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22:57

and then get rust analyzer in qt creator... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1168672733060661258/1198779511030960249/image.png?ex=65c0256b&is=65adb06b&hm=f90e4ef83104eb735e10543c1a4bbe9924412f762d83e1e882b934ba3d9607b6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=735

22:57

with build in syntax highlighting and custom build steps you can do quite a lot

22:58

no formatting for rust tho the only format plugins that exist rn use astyle, clang-format and uncrustify

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7802 [Assertion Error] Demo recorder alreay recording

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