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Between 2024-01-08 00:00:00Z and 2024-01-09 00:00:00Z
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man I install a whole lot of packages to use virt-manager (with qemu) and stuff and the performance is awful (running ubuntu guest). I should've just installed ubuntu baremetal to begin with :(
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welp time to do that while deleting all the previously installed packages xD
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wdym awful
00:39
is your host configured properly
00:40
and what is the guest
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$sh sudo xd sure chillerbot.png is lyfe
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chillerbot BOT 2024-01-08 00:40:50Z
sudo: a password is required
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Ewan
wdym awful
I mean it lagged on mouse movement. It couldn't run UE5 as I had hoped it would. Yeah the host was configured via virt-manager. and the guest was ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
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well did u install guest drivers? lol
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you sorta need those
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also what protocol are u using
00:46
spice or qemu
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spice
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is qemu a protocol? I didn't find any info on it
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no but it’s a different pipeline to graphics output
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anyway get spice guest tools
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sounds like it’s software rendering rn if the mouse is slow and unreal engine won’t even start
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I didn't try UE5 as it would require further configuration and I felt like I could just install it baremetal
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also I wanted to troubleshoot a problem another person had on ubuntu so ig running it in a vm wouldn't reproduce it very well
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it’s just installing drivers like you’d have to do on a real system too
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as far as the guest is concerned it has no gpu
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welp, I already uninstalled most of the packages 😅. I appreciate the help and hints. I'll be sure to remember them next time I try out vm :)
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I rq-ed too fast after trying virt-manager/qemu for 2 days
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did voxel rq
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yeah :(
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-01-08 06:41:08Z
would look weird I think. Might look like 3 different lines then
Replying to @ReiTW why don't u take all the output & put it in ``
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dde97e2 implement ddnet-map-awards polls for discord - murpii 617cb02 fixes - murpii 7ad6f16 Merge pull request #71 from murpii/pr_ddnet_map_awards_poll - murpii
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რილია 2024-01-08 07:11:47Z
hi, i have a question. what snapping means in programing and in ddnet code, i see it in every header, but i don't understand it
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chillerdragon
By your server you mean the dropped money on F-DDrace? I forgot what it was. It’s basically a shotgun projectile what class you use for it shouldn’t matter too much just make sure in the end there is a projectile added to the snap
რილია 2024-01-08 07:13:42Z
which snap and why , i don't get the snapping in general
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It seems to be what the server transmits to the client and vice versa
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Sedonya
It seems to be what the server transmits to the client and vice versa
რილია 2024-01-08 07:25:05Z
is this all it's doing ?
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In theory
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07:25
For example, a client’s snap sends its nickname, clan tag, skin, etc. to the server
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actually i think thats a simple packet not a snap
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I don’t know, if I said something wrong, please correct me
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რილია
which snap and why , i don't get the snapping in general
in ddnet u "send" always a packet for a given value, but the server will only send the packet if the value changes
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07:28
snap means snapshot
07:28
a snaphot of the given moment
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c19e526 fixes again - murpii dc6581d Merge pull request #73 from murpii/lint-fixes - murpii
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for example in the character code
07:31
you always "snap" aka "snapshot" the tee position, but there are underlying mechanisms to that a packet is only sent if the position changed
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thanka for coming to my ted talk
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(mobile suxs)
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რილია 2024-01-08 07:38:09Z
and the SnappingClient is the client who have changed or need to be shown the changes? void CPlayer::Snap(int SnappingClient) (edited)
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snapping is smart (edited)
07:39
makes sense
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Nice vote channel
07:46
Didn't know u can do such things in discord xd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:18:21Z
SnappingClient is the client that receives the snap not what changed
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the snap is basically a net message like all the others sending state about the game. The special thing about the snap is that it is sent super frequently but not in full. So if an item in the snap did not change it is not being resend
08:20
thats why a bunch of moving tees is much more bandwidth than a bunch of ideling tees
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Snapchat 👻
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:21:27Z
but thats me nerding out on the protocol level. What you need to know as a server dev is. SnappingClient is whoever gets the snap so you can craft a custom snap for that player and you can basically inset snap items from all over the codebase and the engine will bundle and send it for you magically
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:21:58Z
@რილია
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chiller, are you free today at some point?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:23:01Z
@Sedonya only the server sends snaps. The way the client sends data is via other net messages
08:23
i got 5min now fokko
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still in a meeting
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ChillerDragon
@Sedonya only the server sends snaps. The way the client sends data is via other net messages
Thx, but there's a snap function in the client too
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:24:17Z
i guess to read the data
08:24
idk which code u mean
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client.cpp
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@Sedonya there is a OnSnap
08:25
i think
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Ah, ty
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:25:16Z
sedoyna sure the client is full of snap code to read it but not to send it
08:25
and it also has to keep track of the deltas and shit
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Got it, thanks
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:26:06Z
@fokkonaut we should rename Tick to Tik then we have snapchat and tiktok memes
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OnTik
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:26:38Z
xd
08:26
looks funny af
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OnTik() { Tok(); }
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:27:33Z
ok 5min over dragon bak to work -.-
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chiller
08:27
tell me a time ur free
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:28:06Z
none i have to hold pee to find some
08:28
on paper im fully booked
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what if I'd take your pee for some time in exchange?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 08:28:39Z
watfak
08:28
ok i gtg fr
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enjoy holding your pee
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ChillerDragon
@რილია
რილია 2024-01-08 08:34:25Z
ye
08:36
i kinda get the snapping now
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რილია 2024-01-08 08:44:53Z
maybe
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Ask questions, if you need
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@Learath2 u awakey?
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 u awakey?
Hello, Lerato is currently sleeping. I am his manager, please tell me what you need.
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was smth about gentoo
09:00
but i fixed it
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You're welcome!
09:00
I have severe brain damage
09:00
I slept 5 hoursa
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couldnt sleep
09:01
i slept nicely
09:01
went to gym
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fakiu
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now here
09:01
gym can help u sleep
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i can sleep again in a few days
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withdrawel
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do u do drugs or smth lol
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used to mj
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nothing else
09:03
only cigarettes left
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drop cigs and go back
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sleep better 😴
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haha, it's gonna be fine after a few days
09:04
not like i can't sleep, just falling asleep is shitty the first few days
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Ryozuki
went to gym
When leak muscle sizes
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lek*
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leak*
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ryo
09:05
pls leak
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im not like that lmao
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That's me
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Xd
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im not like that either lmao
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haha
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lol
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chiller, if i didnt knew he isnt fat (edited)
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ewaning
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chiller goes outside
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 u awakey?
A bit
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Learath2
A bit
x 8 = A byte (edited)
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09:08
bro
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are u trying to quit cigs fokko
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i think im average i can leak my arm justatest
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Ryozuki
i think im average i can leak my arm justatest
brownbear
09:08
Hot boy
09:09
rust dev arm
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withdrawing from what
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:09:50Z
smash
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:10:03Z
f3
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
smash
smash what
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Ryozuki
i think im average i can leak my arm justatest
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:10:32Z
f3
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Ryozuki
smash what
subscribe button
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Ewan
withdrawing from what
fokko
09:11
smash that subscribe button
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Learath2
A bit
its ok i already fixed had a dep conflict
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Ryozuki
i think im average i can leak my arm justatest
Please stop intimidating people
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Learath2
Please stop intimidating people
wot xd
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i discovered u can use distcc on windows but only with msys shell
09:12
with posix wrapper runtime
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lmfao
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or cygwin obv but that shit sux
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Ewan
i discovered u can use distcc on windows but only with msys shell
that sounds unholy
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means i cant use it for mingw64 or ucrt64 shell builds
09:13
cant choose runtime
09:13
but it’s better than nothing if the other compilers in the network can also target it
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damn its cold
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can also static link the msys runtime iirc
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no more za for u?
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wanted to
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fair enough
09:14
gets expensive
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xdxd
09:14
i dont care about the money
09:15
i care about myself thats why
09:15
and no matter what you say, it's simply better to do breaks, every day u dont consume anything is a good day xD So... But nicotine is tough one
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never rly done nic long term because that shit sucks
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i think there is a study on why intelligent people consume nicotine
09:16
brain stimulating and shit
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it’s a stim yea
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ulant
09:16
clarity
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fokkonaut
and no matter what you say, it's simply better to do breaks, every day u dont consume anything is a good day xD So... But nicotine is tough one
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:16:45Z
just get a lung infection like me and you're forced to quit - works 7/10 times justatest
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i think i'd like to avoid that
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fokkonaut
i think there is a study on why intelligent people consume nicotine
i doubt highly
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:17:12Z
i'd recommend you do
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i think they consume the one that makes u hyper focus
09:17
how is it called
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adderall?
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adderall
09:17
ye
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nicotine is not the same by any means but it behaves similarly for most ppl
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well, it's amphe
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Just don’t smoke cigarettes, 0/10 high, not worth rolling the dice for
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ofc, its always better to not put anything besides air into your lungs
09:19
u have effectively deterred me from stepping out onto the balcony rn
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but your statement "0/10 high" is subjective. i personally like the rush
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ye dont smoke
09:19
u will lose teeth
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heart issues
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pulmonary cancer
09:19
its all bad
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respiratory issues mainly
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and u dont look cool
09:19
u smell bad
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copd and lung cancer
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@Ewan my father lost teeth to smoking
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There is only one reason to smoke cigarettes. It looks cool and it’s the best social lubricant known to man
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ryo vs lerato
09:20
looks not cool vs looks cool
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fokkonaut
but your statement "0/10 high" is subjective. i personally like the rush
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:20:10Z
since i stopped smoking (obv. withdrawals are mentally, no physically) nicotine pouches helped me a fuckton
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
since i stopped smoking (obv. withdrawals are mentally, no physically) nicotine pouches helped me a fuckton
good job stopping!
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how old are u btw?
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:20:53Z
me? something between 20-30 justatest
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
since i stopped smoking (obv. withdrawals are mentally, no physically) nicotine pouches helped me a fuckton
i can imagine, but tbh that's your physical addiction
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do u chew them
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
me? something between 20-30 justatest
why u shy xd we all 20-30 here
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less owon he is 19 i think
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oh cute
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Ewan
do u chew them
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:21:19Z
you put them behind your upper lip
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Ryozuki
oh cute
STOP
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I’m simultaneously 12 and 86
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
you put them behind your upper lip
no like you personally
09:21
do u do it like bobby
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:21:44Z
who tf is bobby
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bobby fischer
09:21
a legend
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german detected
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
who tf is bobby
u obviously did not watch the video
09:22
and for that u lose 10 pts
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fokkonaut
german detected
he is american tho
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:22:11Z
i most certainly didnt
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Robert James Fischer (March 9, 1943 – January 17, 2008) was an American chess grandmaster and the eleventh World Chess Champion. A chess prodigy, he won his first of a record eight US Championships at the age of 14. In 1964, he won with an 11–0 score, the only perfect score in the history of the tournament. Qualifying for the 1972 World Champi...
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Fischer
09:22
the name is german
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Ewan
and for that u lose 10 pts
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:22:24Z
Staree
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Ewan
18
fire age
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hell yeah🔥
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not so far
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louis
fire age
zoomer talk
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
you put them behind your upper lip
Everyone I met in sweden seemed to have nicotine pouches behind their lip
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swedes are fiends
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:22:53Z
oh yeah i heard its a big thing in sweden
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@Ryozuki ur a zoomer aren't you
09:23
is that zoomer
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Learath2
Everyone I met in sweden seemed to have nicotine pouches behind their lip
most nasty thing ever
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that's zoomer territory
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and it hits you into oblivion
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Ryozuki
justatest
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:23:22Z
oh damn we the same age? poggers2
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lmao u didnt know yet?
09:23
i leak it every other day
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:23:34Z
LOL
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Learath2
I’m simultaneously 12 and 86
12, 24 & 84 All multiples of 12
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Who of you drinks coffee?
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I tried nicotine gum at various strengths to see if there is any reason to smoke and I’ve concluded that it linearly increases my dizziness and gives me a faint caffeine like effect. Easily the most pointless thing I ever tried 😄
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Learath2
I tried nicotine gum at various strengths to see if there is any reason to smoke and I’ve concluded that it linearly increases my dizziness and gives me a faint caffeine like effect. Easily the most pointless thing I ever tried 😄
smoke more
09:24
i personally dont drink coffee, for example
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Jupstar ✪
12, 24 & 84 All multiples of 12
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:25:04Z
Jupstar is the kind of person who did these 1 5 3 x 5 = find x puzzles
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fokkonaut
Who of you drinks coffee?
I love covfefe
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my caffeine tolerance is low, one energy is too much for me. I drink a small can of cola and it's perfect for me. plus a cigarette: forcus
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focus
09:25
soda sucks
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im drinking coffee
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and u can increase ur tolerance in a matter of days and as long as you keep it in control then it’s good
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i'm one of the few in the office to not drink coffee
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fokkonaut
smoke more
Na, tobacco in general makes me nauseous and I don’t like nicotines effect. Literally 0 reason for me to except maybe as social lubricant
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:26:04Z
im enjoying my cappuccino right now
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Learath2
Na, tobacco in general makes me nauseous and I don’t like nicotines effect. Literally 0 reason for me to except maybe as social lubricant
i c
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all we have rn is shitty hotel room coffee
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Ewan
and u can increase ur tolerance in a matter of days and as long as you keep it in control then it’s good
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:26:19Z
i would love to have a lower tolerance, im drinking more coffee than water
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Ewan
all we have rn is shitty hotel room coffee
why u in hotel
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banhammer ☕
f4 1
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Ryozuki
why u in hotel
mom’s idea of vacation
09:26
5 ppl in a hotel room for 2 days
09:26
i didn’t want to hurt her feelings so i went
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Learath2
Na, tobacco in general makes me nauseous and I don’t like nicotines effect. Literally 0 reason for me to except maybe as social lubricant
why not alcohol instead
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Ewan
5 ppl in a hotel room for 2 days
In another country atleast?
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
i would love to have a lower tolerance, im drinking more coffee than water
friend of mine drinks like a few coffee a day, then like 2-3 energy, some iced tea, and some normal tea in the evening haha. And smokes weed xD
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Learath2
In another country atleast?
no it’s 1 hour away in a worse part of the state
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:27:22Z
this guy basically runs on stimulants lol
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this guy basically is stupid
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but hey there’s a water park….
09:27
i have little brothers
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fokkonaut
this guy basically is stupid
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:27:34Z
fair enough
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like not stupid stupid, but his behaviour
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fokkonaut
friend of mine drinks like a few coffee a day, then like 2-3 energy, some iced tea, and some normal tea in the evening haha. And smokes weed xD
sounds like me before a few months ago
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i kicked the caffeine
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good for you
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never quit anything else so can’t compare
09:28
but it sucked
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louis
why not alcohol instead
I do do alcoholism sometimes
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at that level at least
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btw guys, i am currently working on a small website as a birthday present for my soon to be girlfriend c:
09:28
VueJS
09:28
not awesome
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i like vue
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fokkonaut
btw guys, i am currently working on a small website as a birthday present for my soon to be girlfriend c:
didnt u have a gf already
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vanilla ftw
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we use it at work, so i am used to it
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or u mean wife
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Ryozuki
didnt u have a gf already
i broke up with her like 4 months ago haha
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she was... toxic
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Ryozuki
didnt u have a gf already
Normal humans get them every other day
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It’s the cycle
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i have not had gf for yrs at this point
09:29
i dont get out
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Learath2
Normal humans get them every other day
actually, in the meantime i didnt have anyone (and didnt want)
09:29
but i feel very secured with this person
09:29
and so does she
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Ewan
i have not had gf for yrs at this point
Do you watch anime?
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09:30
nowhere to meet ppl
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Learath2
Normal humans get them every other day
you guys just need to step outside a little more. Get a tinder profile, simply meet up, drink a coffee, take a walk, and get to know. it's literally not as hard as it sounds
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Ok you have to make sure you never do that one. Software development and anime is impossible to recover from
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tinder intimidating
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yea, there is a lot of bullshit going on
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im too fresh
09:31
they will make rugs out of me
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and i had to wait quite some time to find her
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but its possible
09:31
you can actually find really genuine persons there
09:31
*can
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fokkonaut
you guys just need to step outside a little more. Get a tinder profile, simply meet up, drink a coffee, take a walk, and get to know. it's literally not as hard as it sounds
In the last 3 weeks, I have only spent 3 days inside my home and 4 nights. It’s not a quantity thing. Seems other people are wired different
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You introverted?
09:32
I'm positive there are girls who'd like you
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i probably spend 14 of every 15 days and nights at home
09:32
in the bedroom on the computer
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besides that i'll always believe that a person will always find the perfect match. no matter how long it takes
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fokkonaut
You introverted?
Depends on how you define that word. I won’t go up to random people and try to interact with them, so I guess yes?
09:33
Oh wait, this is #developer LOL
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i do not like the introverted/extroverted thing
09:34
i have traits from both
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same
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i like being around other ppl
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most of the time
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pigeonhole thinking is always bad
09:34
but it's good to get a first view and to sort your brain a little
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im shy at first but i open
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xd
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Ryozuki
im shy at first but i open
You have big arms now, you need to replace your personality
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girls dfont care
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(h*es)
09:35
women do
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what does h*es mean
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xd
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why u censor thats stupid
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for heino
09:35
idk
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No need to bother with that. When heinrich shows up we are all toast anyway for making this channel into #off-topic
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ha ha
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"please don't refer to groups of people using derogatory terms."
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literally made ma laugh a little @Learath2
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dev is the true offtopic anyway
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hein will ban me for showing arm justatestowo
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ryo why tela doesn’t have wiki role if he wrote the binds page
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i can say its just my "arm" processor kek
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nudity @Ryozuki
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fokkonaut
(h*es)
But yes, ngl that sounds a little bigoted
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it's simply. there's girls who are serious and who are genuine, and there's the other ones.
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it's not easy in this fucked world to find real women
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prob takes them a while to chill out I wouldn’t say they’re not real just not serious yet
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they all have brain damage from instagram
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We all have brain damage from all social media
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true
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fokkonaut
they all have brain damage from instagram
i experienced talking to a 19y girl, and she definitly had weird worldviews
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fokkonaut
it's not easy in this fucked world to find real women
cap
09:38
u could say the exact same about men
09:38
ngl
09:39
i was about to type that out
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depends on ur exposure
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like working for a boss was smth weak ppl do or shit like that
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but i didnt
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and ur a sheep
09:39
i think she was toxic af
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Ryozuki
i experienced talking to a 19y girl, and she definitly had weird worldviews
ye
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Ryozuki
like working for a boss was smth weak ppl do or shit like that
lmfao
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Ryozuki
i experienced talking to a 19y girl, and she definitly had weird worldviews
Interacting with true zoomers is bizarre, truly an experience
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if u a dude u usually talk to dudes and vice versa. not like they are scarce but a romantic partner is not always gonna jump out at u
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i cant count the amount of online course selling fake entrepreneurs on instagram
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Ryozuki
like working for a boss was smth weak ppl do or shit like that
It is though. You need to hustle and make passive income and get a lambo
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Learath2
Interacting with true zoomers is bizarre, truly an experience
was finna say it’s a little sussy ong
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what i find really funny and interesting about other people is, that no matter whether someone is older or younger than another person you compare them to, they can be like 100 times further cognitively. There are so many differences in persons and matureness etc. Keep looking out for those, don't waste your time
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but lately im talking to one my age and it feels like a normal convo xd
09:41
i think i wouldnt go out with someone who isnt working and knowing how to live by themselves
09:41
it changes u and makes u a better person
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i talk to u and don’t feel much of an age gap unless we are talking about life
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Ewan
i talk to u and don’t feel much of an age gap unless we are talking about life
:D
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Ryozuki
i think i wouldnt go out with someone who isnt working and knowing how to live by themselves
I would go out with a bowl of pebbles if it asked me out first
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respect yourself
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fr learath, you have some issues
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i mean you know it
09:42
but its obvious to others
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Ofc I have issues. I actually enjoy writing C99
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note that going out and a hookup is different xd
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Ryozuki
note that going out and a hookup is different xd
me personally i dont really like hookups
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i want to get to know a person a little
09:43
before jumping straight into it
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fokkonaut
i want to get to know a person a little
yeye same
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:43:23Z
oi man i go take a shower for 10 minutes and come back to 130 new messages °-°
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fast shower
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dont shower
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are ur ears clean
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Ewan
respect yourself
Being picky is a privilege reserved for people that don’t know the sections of the c99 standard by heart
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Ewan
are ur ears clean
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:43:41Z
ofc!
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difference between being picky and not having standards
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Learath2
Being picky is a privilege reserved for people that don’t know the sections of the c99 standard by heart
but the trick to getting them is having self respect too
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nobody likes desperate ppl
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so its a self losing thing
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mostly only abusers and otherwise emotionally unsavory or manipulative people date desperate ppl
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bcs they will just sit there and take it
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bcs they think it’s better than being single
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pro tip: smile more
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only thing i can do for that is get high
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Ewan
bcs they think it’s better than being single
Also, people tend to choose their partners based on what they know from childhood for example. Because that's what their brain recognizes. Bad patterns, etc.
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its not that hard
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Ewan
bro how
Just do it. That one is simple, even I know that
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I can not force a smile without it being painfully obvious and awkward
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obv i will naturally smile as my neurons activate in public which happens all the time when ur talking to ppl but making urself smile more isn’t easy
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just think about rust
09:47
then u will smile
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:47:16Z
friend of mine once told me not to force a smile, but dont stop one when its coming
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Think of how memory safe it is
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Xd
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
friend of mine once told me not to force a smile, but dont stop one when its coming
good advice
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BLAZINGLY FAST
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How fearlessly you can do concurrency
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voxel is rolling in his grave
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Learath2
Think of how memory safe it is
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:47:46Z
i used the sqlx crate today - i am in love
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
i used the sqlx crate today - i am in love
Ngl it is a 10/10 crate
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:48:03Z
its SOOO good
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@BlaiZephyr | meloƞ sqlx + axum + tokio
09:48
+ mako
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Ryozuki
@BlaiZephyr | meloƞ sqlx + axum + tokio
dats what im doing rn santatrollet (edited)
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Ewan
voxel is rolling in his grave
When will he come back? His blood pressure is falling too much without this awesome chat
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wait not mako
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I’m boycotting tokio until they get condvars
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"moka"
09:48
for cache
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Jupstar ✪
When will he come back? His blood pressure is falling too much without this awesome chat
i hope he doesn’t come back until he regulates his brain chemicals
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Sorry, that gif was giving me the creeps
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Learath2
Sorry, that gif was giving me the creeps
xD
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Jupstar ✪
When will he come back? His blood pressure is falling too much without this awesome chat
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:49:34Z
did you know professional cyclists have to wake up in the middle of the night and go cycling a bit to circle blood through their heart, becuase otherwise they just die? - yeah thats voxel without that chat
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I should leave the hotel room…
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I should smoke a cigarette
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Ewan
I should leave the hotel room…
go out and run
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Ewan
I should leave the hotel room…
What is the point, you are in a worse part of the same state 😄
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but this chat too entertaining
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americans will be amazed
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at u
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it is 16 degrees
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fahrenheit
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it's fucking -1°C here
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its 4C here
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Ewan
fahrenheit
please we do only logical units here
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fokkonaut
I should smoke a cigarette
Not worth it. Overdose on how dysfunctional I am instead
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Ryozuki
@BlaiZephyr | meloƞ sqlx + axum + tokio
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:51:07Z
i used rocket isntead of axum, but other than that - yess
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ
i used rocket isntead of axum, but other than that - yess
use axum
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16f is approx -9c
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Learath2
Not worth it. Overdose on how dysfunctional I am instead
Nah man
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I mean yea
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but nah
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i dont make fun of it
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Ryozuki
use axum
BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:51:34Z
eh eh - yes chef!
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do it my way AngerShake
kazuhatrigger 1
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:51:41Z
BRUHH
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u ever run in -9c
09:51
while it’s snowing
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 09:52:03Z
i love to do that sometimes actually
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@Learath2 it'd actually make me happy see you getting out of your hole. But it all starts within yourself.
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Ewan
u ever run in -9c
excuses for the weak
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fokkonaut
@Learath2 it'd actually make me happy see you getting out of your hole. But it all starts within yourself.
Funniest part is I’m only in a metaphorical hole
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guys get to work
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i love the snow
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Ryozuki
guys get to work
i dont have anything to do today
09:55
i can enjoy my home office day rn
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what time is it there ewan
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Ryozuki
guys get to work
I’m NEET now
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Learath2
I’m NEET now
drink mountain dew
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Ryozuki
what time is it there ewan
3 am
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i'm actually allowed to work on my private project today @Ryozuki
09:56
im working on making a compiler for a language my company is making
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so yeah all im doing is wasting my paid time by chatting here
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I need to start looking for jobs sometime
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this is big chilling but im big shivering even w my coat
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they want to make a mix of go and rust, rust but more simple even if it trade offs some perf, and with a runtime like erlang for concurrency
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i could go run
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Ryozuki
im working on making a compiler for a language my company is making
Chad company living like it's the 80s
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too
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Cipy29
Chad company living like it's the 80s
actually rly chad i dont care if it doesnt take off but its a rly rly interesting project to work on while getting paid
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Ryozuki
im working on making a compiler for a language my company is making
I was chatting with a friend lately and mentioned that you were working on a compiler for a custom language and he was like why would a profit seeking entity waste money on such a low yield endeavor such as creating their own language
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to get the chat a little more developer-y here: did anyone of you see spaceX starlink satellites that can communicate with stock 4G phones ? No more people being lost on the oceans or in deserts
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(in the future)
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im inside
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Did they actually include the hardware in the already launched satellites or will they be adding it to the next batches?
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Learath2
I was chatting with a friend lately and mentioned that you were working on a compiler for a custom language and he was like why would a profit seeking entity waste money on such a low yield endeavor such as creating their own language
idk but i think my company, while it seeks profit also seeks interesting projects to do, it does so by balancing profit making projects and more experimental projects like this
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back in the thin blanket twin size pull out couch mattress bed (edited)
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Learath2
Did they actually include the hardware in the already launched satellites or will they be adding it to the next batches?
to the next, im pretty sure it's gonna be on V2 shipped with Starship
09:59
once Starship is ready
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the CEO/CTO is a dev that likes erlang, rust, hates c++ and haskell, likes lisp too
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Ryozuki
idk but i think my company, while it seeks profit also seeks interesting projects to do, it does so by balancing profit making projects and more experimental projects like this
What is the point to your project e.g.? Why would one want to use your language instead of any of the ones it’s inspired by?
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@Learath2 2024: SMS, 2025: internet and calls
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he also likes go, and says its like a rly nice simple language to teach to interns
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fokkonaut
to get the chat a little more developer-y here: did anyone of you see spaceX starlink satellites that can communicate with stock 4G phones ? No more people being lost on the oceans or in deserts
would be awesome but few of elon’s promises have come through as a company
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or it takes an absurdly long time
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well, regulatory processes
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@fokkonaut are you an Elon fan?
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by the time it rolls out in starlink we will have standard 4g compatible towers that can reach these deserts and oceans lol
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Learath2
What is the point to your project e.g.? Why would one want to use your language instead of any of the ones it’s inspired by?
In the realm of low-level programming, language safety, performance and simplicity are paramount features. We are confident that these attributes can be achieved in system programming languages without substantially sacrificing expressiveness. <snip> achieves this balance, offering a programming language that is fast, simple and safe without having a garbage collector, lifetimes and a complex borrow checker. Additionally, it features a default pluggable runtime, enabling the development of highly scalable systems that are not only reliable and efficient but also straightforward to maintain. Writing good code should be easy. The language must be simple enough to fit in a single person’s head. Programs are about transforming data into other forms of data. Code is about expressing algorithms, not the type system. We aim to develop a simpler version of Rust that includes an optional default runtime featuring green threads and a preemptive scheduler, similar to those found in Go and Erlang.
this is the language idea
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hm. hard to say. i definitely like what he's aiming for and that he tries to bring humanity forward by using his insane amount of money and business skills to achieve what government agencies couldnt for decades.
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let me code it ryo
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then i can be a rust master
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@Learath2 do u know about linear types?
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in 5000 years
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fokkonaut
hm. hard to say. i definitely like what he's aiming for and that he tries to bring humanity forward by using his insane amount of money and business skills to achieve what government agencies couldnt for decades.
@Learath2 besides that: i'm definitely a fan of SpaceX
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Linear types corresponds to linear logic and ensures that objects are used exactly once. This allows the system to safely deallocate an object after its use, or to design software interfaces that guarantee a resource cannot be used once it has been closed or transitioned to a different state.
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engineers at SpaceX do excellent work.
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ill share the language here when its usable xd
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3-6 months probs
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 do u know about linear types?
Yep, so you are planning to only have linear types?
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fokkonaut
@Learath2 besides that: i'm definitely a fan of SpaceX
I see, I was just curious
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Learath2
Yep, so you are planning to only have linear types?
not me, this is all thought by the bossman
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Learath2
I see, I was just curious
wbu?
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elon musk
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Ad-hoc polymorphism via traits Parametric polymorphism via generics Expressions and statements rather than only expressions as in many functional languages Built-in dependency manager Built-in linter and formatter Built-in testing tooling Good compilation error messages Inmutability by default, optional mutability Linear type system rather than affine type system No lifetimes Simpler borrow checker Concurrency model. We provide a default runtime with green threads. There is no support for low-level primitives like atomics, mutex and OS threads. There is no Sync and Send traits. This implies that mutability can only happen inside the same process. No relationsihp between modules and files No circular dependencies in modules No macros At the beginning we won't support local type inference at function level. We might add it in the future. Financials decimal type and bigint type as part of the standard library Bit-for-bit deterministic/reproducible builds from the beginning Fearless FFI Perfect replayability to be able to easily reproduce Heisenbugs
10:04
some of the ideas
10:04
idk if crazy
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omg ryo pls go to #ontopic
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this is on topic bro
10:04
its dev
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getting rly distracted
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from all this off topic elon banter
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10:05
u rly need to cut this developer talk out
no 1
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fokkonaut
wbu?
I don’t really like anything about the man except the fact that he is paying for space exploration.
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basically
10:05
i dont really care about his other shit either
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Learath2
Yep, so you are planning to only have linear types?
looks like it
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dont even have a twitter account
10:06
i need a smoke, brb
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i'll
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me neither
10:06
twidder sucks
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get threads instead
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HAHA
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need a smoke now fr
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i only have chat apps anymore
10:06
i already took one
10:06
while i was appreciating the snow
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Where is the ddnet-mastodon?
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no thanks
10:07
mastodon sucks
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hello
10:08
its me from outside
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if it’s not centralized what is really the point
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welcome
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thanks
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how’s outside
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not too chilly probably
10:08
told u i enjoyed mine at -9
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Ryozuki
Ad-hoc polymorphism via traits Parametric polymorphism via generics Expressions and statements rather than only expressions as in many functional languages Built-in dependency manager Built-in linter and formatter Built-in testing tooling Good compilation error messages Inmutability by default, optional mutability Linear type system rather than affine type system No lifetimes Simpler borrow checker Concurrency model. We provide a default runtime with green threads. There is no support for low-level primitives like atomics, mutex and OS threads. There is no Sync and Send traits. This implies that mutability can only happen inside the same process. No relationsihp between modules and files No circular dependencies in modules No macros At the beginning we won't support local type inference at function level. We might add it in the future. Financials decimal type and bigint type as part of the standard library Bit-for-bit deterministic/reproducible builds from the beginning Fearless FFI Perfect replayability to be able to easily reproduce Heisenbugs
This sounds like a great subset for a lot of tasks
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immaculate
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Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.
-10 days from your life
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Learath2
-10 days from your life
😆
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luckily im not a teen
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Learath2
This sounds like a great subset for a lot of tasks
yeah
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a rust like lang with the concurrency model of go can be cool
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go/erlang
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preeemptive scheduling too
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which u cant have in rust
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@Learath2 at least I smoke gauloises (good tobacco) without additives
10:10
it's way easier on the lungs
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fokkonaut
@Learath2 at least I smoke gauloises (good tobacco) without additives
copium
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hand leak!
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not so much cough or mucus
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nudity
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There is only one exception I make to my no tobacco rule. I will go out for shisha with friends once every couple months
10:11
Mostly only because of the social aspect really
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long time i didnt have hookah
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i mean smoked it
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never had kne
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one
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I'm in a coding mood today. I wonder what I should make
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i can not get quite the crisp photo as fokko could
10:12
damn dark
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I've been thinking of making a website for a portfolio, just in case I have to move to estonia to become a web dev maybe I'll do that
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Learath2
I've been thinking of making a website for a portfolio, just in case I have to move to estonia to become a web dev maybe I'll do that
make it
10:13
and blog
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its literally the best way to get offers
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i get offers rn
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spend hours on some css
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kek
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Learath2
I've been thinking of making a website for a portfolio, just in case I have to move to estonia to become a web dev maybe I'll do that
make one for me as well justatest
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feel free to donate to this poor dev of me
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link in the web
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Ewan
u like this music?
yes
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Hm, idk what I would blog about
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owo
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Learath2
Hm, idk what I would blog about
C obviously
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@Ewan but my music taste is wide
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My vast ocean of C knowledge is just facts. Not very interesting to blog about
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496th in the world and u would think i had heard of them
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fokkonaut
@Ewan but my music taste is wide
good
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Learath2
My vast ocean of C knowledge is just facts. Not very interesting to blog about
it is interesting for ppl who dont know them
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I also love rap/hiphop and shit, I like rock, I like a lot
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i also thought like that
10:14
but ppl do read
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i also like a lot fokko
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thats good
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@Learath2 for example do u remember ur hand writte state machine solution for aoc?
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thats a interesting blog
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today in the car i listened to tiesto followed by the smiths followed by steve hackett of genesis
10:15
too different music
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the smiths !!!
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very nice choice
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they were great
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 for example do u remember ur hand writte state machine solution for aoc?
That was by far the nastiest piece of C I have ever produced 😄
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indeed
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u know Scar Tissue, by red hot chilli peppers?
10:15
also a very nice song
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i always instinctually avoided rhcp thanks to my moms hatred of them
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well, thats really sad
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even john frusciante whose successful solo career i would usually approve of
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every time I don’t hate but can only imagine my mom shaking her head
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I mean, it's the same for me. I've avoided Rap for a good time of my life until I developed my own brain
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my dad would shake his head
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over what i listen to sometimes
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yea as a white boy that took a while for me too
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my neo nazi dad would also shake his head
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that escalated quickly
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but i listened almost exclusively to rap in my sophomore year of high school
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crazy lore drop
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he’s a silly fellow
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I'll go do some well adjusted human things. Move this conversation to #off-topic if you don't want to get bonked by mods
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did not mean to drop that so hard
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 10:19:00Z
just text in assembly - mods wont understand and we're safe !
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i should have just said racist perhaps
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Learath2
I'll go do some well adjusted human things. Move this conversation to #off-topic if you don't want to get bonked by mods
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delete the only good examples that off topic behavior distracts from effective conversation
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i murdered chat
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start a new one in #off-topic
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frightening premise
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i am hungry
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 10:24:33Z
:(
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snow moment
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brb working
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ye i'm coding a little awell
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I’m eating a honey bun on the balcony
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#off-topic
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any CSS pro here?
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BlaiZephyr | meloƞ 2024-01-08 11:12:15Z
sir this is a wendy's
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thought so
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fokkonaut
any CSS pro here?
css guru tip, use tailwind santatrollet
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You already know that inline styles are "bad practice." Inline styles aren't reusable like CSS in separate files is, and thus, inefficient bloat. Unless of
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solved my issue
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i am programatically setting an inline style and need to animate that property
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shit
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it didnt fix it entirely
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wow. i found a really neat way. creating a CSS var which i'll then modify from inline style
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aka programatically
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amazing.
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excellent
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holy shit apparently those awesome pastries are 600 calories a piece
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i had 2
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im going to have a blood sugar spike and die
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Goodbye pancreas
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From Discord:
[4:59 PM]Learath2: Small issue I noticed while messing around with it. Changing the version in version.h doesn't cause a regeneration of from as it should [4:59 PM]Learath2: s/from/the cmake cache/
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Ewan
holy shit apparently those awesome pastries are 600 calories a piece
lol
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Who is windows registry pro?
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I wonder if without any permissions problems, and/or detect as virus, we could read HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Khronos\Vulkan\ImplicitLayers from it That could maybe show installed overlays, e.g. discord, steam, razor, logitech. Whatever uses them. Would be interesting ^^
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fokkonaut
wow. i found a really neat way. creating a CSS var which i'll then modify from inline style
I am happy to help with css
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Any time
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good to know, thankjs
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any web designers who want to get experience and work for free? justatest
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Is anyone a programmer here? I have an idea, you hack bank, we split money, okay?
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Hey dont steal my idea!
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Jupstar ✪
I wonder if without any permissions problems, and/or detect as virus, we could read HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Khronos\Vulkan\ImplicitLayers from it That could maybe show installed overlays, e.g. discord, steam, razor, logitech. Whatever uses them. Would be interesting ^^
my gut says that this will likely work and not be detected as virus
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MilkeeyCat
any web designers who want to get experience and work for free? justatest
you forgot getting exposure 😉
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Will it work without running as an administrator though
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<ChillerDragon> woah the ddnet forum is still up?
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<ChillerDragon> amazing!
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 14:51:16Z
"nimrocks"
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 14:51:25Z
<fokkonaut> hallo
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<fokkonaut> ez, heino u can ban me now for sendings gifs
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<fokkonaut> i can still type
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<fokkonaut> monkaS
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<fokkonaut> pls no
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<Scrumplex2> i am hackerman
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<Scrumplex2> nouis
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<fokkonaut> i love how chillerdragon casually created his own discord
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<fokkonaut> just to avoid discord
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<fokkonaut> but to interact with people on discord
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<Scrumplex2> Why not Matrix with Cinny though? :O
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 14:53:15Z
<ChillerDragon> matrix bugs
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<ChillerDragon> wats Cinny?
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<ChillerDragon> irc > matrix
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chiller u dont have responds over there tho
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 14:53:36Z
<ChillerDragon> yea hm
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<Scrumplex2> Cinny is a Discord-like client for Matrix
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<Scrumplex2> https://cinny.in/
A Matrix client where you can enjoy the conversation using simple, elegant and secure interface protected by e2ee with the power of open source.
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Feel free to share my DS username
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 14:54:10Z
<ChillerDragon> is cinny smooth?
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<ChillerDragon> i might switch from element
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<Scrumplex2> Depends
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<Scrumplex2> it uses Tauri instead of Electron
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<Scrumplex2> So Rust backend 🚀🚀🚀🚀
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<ChillerDragon> woah no electron?????
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<Scrumplex2> But GTK WebKit frontend
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<ChillerDragon> i waited 20s for this to load and my attention span already ended xd https://app.cinny.in/
A Matrix client where you can enjoy the conversation using simple, elegant and secure interface protected by e2ee with the power of open source.
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<Scrumplex2> Huh? Loaded instantly for me :O
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<ChillerDragon> lucky u
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I am typing from within Cinny now!
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Chiller Dragon BOT 2024-01-08 14:57:29Z
me too o.O
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yea doesnt look too bad but not sure if ill use it :D
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Cinny is one of the matrix clients that allow you to create custom emoji packs
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And they work no matter the client
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 15:01:12Z
<ChillerDragon> wowo
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Scrumplex BOT 2024-01-08 15:01:38Z
Honestly I might switch back to Cinny again
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 15:01:45Z
<ChillerDragon> i can do the same on chat.zillyhuhn.com :p
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<ChillerDragon> creating aliases for text wrapped in colons to any discord nitro emoji or img url :D
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<ChillerDragon> i only use matrix when i have to
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What the heck is going on
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 15:03:28Z
<ChillerDragon> i occasionally boot a tui matrix client to understand discord replies or use one on the phone because there is no good iOS irc client
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<ChillerDragon> wot notin @Aiae ?
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Scrumplex BOT 2024-01-08 15:03:44Z
Hello. I am speaking from the lands of WEBHOOK
Replying to @Aiae What the heck is going on
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 15:03:53Z
<ChillerDragon> its a bot
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<ChillerDragon> web hooker
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<ChillerDragon> @Ryozuki when add webhook to ddnet? its like a hook but also a spider web
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Scrumplex BOT 2024-01-08 15:05:01Z
I'm sorry, but I don't have real-time information as my knowledge was last updated in January 2022.
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It seems currently the community tags are preventing favorited servers from being displayed when server information isn't available (server name, connected players) Before the community tag change, when servers in the Favorites tab were DoSed, they would stay in the Favorites tab, allowing you to attempt to connect to them.
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 15:05:07Z
<ChillerDragon> lmao
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@Skeith thanks for creating another issue 🙂
happy 1
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7777 soon
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>>> 6**5 7776
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ws-client1 BOT 2024-01-08 15:40:14Z
<foo> quiqq maffs
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 15:41:33Z
how do u know that? o.O @heinrich5991
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アリヂン BOT 2024-01-08 15:43:58Z
this channel is slowly becoming a botroom
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 15:44:34Z
<ChillerDragon> 🤖
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warning: 'pt_guarded_by' only applies to pointer types; type here is 'std::shared_ptr<CHttpRequest>' [-Wthread-safety-attributes]
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How does this make any sense?
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ChillerDragon: I noticed that 6**5 has such nice digits and remembered it since then (edited)
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std::shared_ptr is not a recognized pointer by the C++ compiler, maybe?
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@heinrich5991 what does 5991 mean
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no comment. do you know 6174? :p
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louis
@heinrich5991 what does 5991 mean
05.09.1991
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heinrich5991
no comment. do you know 6174? :p
nope but i wikipediaed it
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the only interesting 4 digit numbers ik are 1729
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and 1337 justatest
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you forgot 6969
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heinrich5991
std::shared_ptr is not a recognized pointer by the C++ compiler, maybe?
PT_GUARDED_BY is similar, but is intended for use on pointers and smart pointers. There is no constraint on the data member itself, but the data that it points to is protected by the given capability.
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The manual for the thread sanitizer clearly says it should work :/
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I'm looking at the Clang Thread Safety Analysis feature with Clang 7.0 However, I'm getting an error when I attempt to use the PT_GUARDED_BY annotation with shared_ptr data members: error: '
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Compiler versioning is now like browser versioning xd
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What am I even supposed to do now...
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Use libc++
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I don't want to debug clang for hours aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 16:28:42Z
use C99
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God I wish
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No smart pointers in C99 to break
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I wonder if without any permissions problems, and/or detect as virus, we could read HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Khronos\Vulkan\ImplicitLayers from it That could maybe show installed overlays, e.g. discord, steam, razor, logitech. Whatever uses them. Would be interesting ^^
Reading should be easy. What's the goal?
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Robyt3
Reading should be easy. What's the goal?
basically what i wrote
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print implicit vk layers
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In the console for debugging?
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well actually i just want to know if one can somehow detect all these overlays (edited)
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Robyt3
In the console for debugging?
yeah or simply as an information
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when ppl have bugs, see what overlays are active etc.
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telemetry 😬
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Stupid GTA 5 social club also installs an explicit layer I just noticed
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yeah i looked on gpuinfo.org
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it mentions quite a few
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I thought about a gfx_dump command before that dumps all relevant graphics related information and settings into a text file in the dumps folder and then opens the dumps folder
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if u sort after most used
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so many weird ones xD
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VK_LAYER_ROCKSTAR_GAMES_social_club
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the one u mentioned xd
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Robyt3
Why does holding down any modifier key (ctrl, shift, alt) cause large positive FPS spikes in the FPS graph (on Windows)? thonk
i should try this now
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can u show a good graph as comparasion?
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else i cant judge how huge u expect the drops to be
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also DEBUG or release?
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also DEBUG or release?
Happens in both
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Robyt3
Happens in both
ingame or menu?
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Jupstar ✪
ingame or menu?
Also both
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Normal graph
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Robyt3
Normal graph
also when holding the key or only the moment u press it?
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If you press it once it sometimes causes an immediate spike. If you hold it causes spikes randomly (edited)
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Only happens when you have high FPS, like > 1000 I guess
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without any key
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Might be hard to notice with current FPS graph because it scrolls so fast
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LMAO when i press SHIFT + PRINT then it makes a fullscreen screenshot
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and i was like, why is it not woprking
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now i created like 500 screenshots
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But if I hold a modifier then the maximum value in the FPS graph goes up by 50%-100%
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holding, shift + ctrl + alt at the same time
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so no difference for me
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But if I hold a modifier then the maximum value in the FPS graph goes up by 50%-100%
so u have no fps limit?
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It looks like the spikes go above what I set as the gfx_refresh_rate (1500)
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I only set 1500 to avoid coil whine of my GPU :/ (edited)
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Robyt3
I only set 1500 to avoid coil whine of my GPU :/ (edited)
well unclamped my fps generally jump a lot, but i'd say it jumps consistently
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so i cannot reproduce it
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^ without
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with
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@Robyt3 already tried to replace SDL2.dll?
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Good idea, I'll try. Here is a video where I hold alt for a few seconds then let go for a few second and hold again
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Robyt3
Good idea, I'll try. Here is a video where I hold alt for a few seconds then let go for a few second and hold again
well what's interesting is, that it makes the max value jump to 9k
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how should that even be possible
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@Robyt3 what is the value of gfx_asyncrender_old
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That's it
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gfx_asyncrender_old 1 is the cause
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SDL 2.20 and 2.28 make no difference
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that just "proves" that it's input related i guess
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it probably spends more time in the SDL call or smth (edited)
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wait u mean with 1 it's happening?
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and with 0 not?
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ok
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then i take it back
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that makes 0 sense xD
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gfx_asyncrender_old makes the FPS graph look very different in general
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mh
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that's maybe not surprising
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0 = CPU waits for GPU to finish
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but mixing 0 with gfx_refresh_rate is kinda weird
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it sometimes skips frames anyway then
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at least afair
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(!AsyncRenderOld || m_pGraphics->IsIdle()) && (!GfxRefreshRate || (time_freq() / (int64_t)g_Config.m_GfxRefreshRate) <= Now - LastRenderTime)) if async == 0 | graphics is idle AND no gfx_refresh_rate is set | we can render (edited)
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ah fuck
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so u set it to 0 so first is always true and u have refresh rate set so 2nd is not always true
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so sometimes it still skips frames
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so if it's 1 => graphics is not idle is the cause
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the other check just makes the FPS consistent, but only the first check is different
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So holding a modifier key has an influence on the graphics being idle? Seems like the only factor that could be influenced by modifier keys (edited)
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do you have forced tripple buffering active? or in other words, does when you start the client any vulkan warning popup that IMMEDIATE rendering is not supported?
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Where would I see the vulkan warning? I don't see one
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WTF is that xD
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Robyt3
Where would I see the vulkan warning? I don't see one
well it would pop up in F1
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No graphics warning in the console, with maximum output levels
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dbg_msg("vulkan", "warning: requested presentation mode was not available. falling back to mailbox / fifo relaxed."); in backend_vulkan
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mailbox is basically vsync but with unlimited FPS (edited)
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well it's really weird that would imply that some vulkan call would take longer, if you hold a modifier
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Tripple buffering is also off in my NVIDIA settings globally so it shouldn't have an influence
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but vulkan calls never read any keyboard input 😂
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for mailbox i could at least still imagine it's the OS that blocks the call
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for whatever reason
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We need more Windows testers, maybe it's something else on my PC
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but still
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this is randomness
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 17:26:04Z
:q
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:34:54Z
i found a bug in my server :), when a player go to spectator and come out, the server shutdowns 🙂
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segmentation fault 🙂
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a bug
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i found a bug in my server :), when a player go to spectator and come out, the server shutdowns 🙂
which version is your server based on?
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did u check if it's your modifications?
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or was this just a random sentence?
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:37:16Z
17.4 i think
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not yet
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this is 17.4.2 original client when attempting to run a server (edited)
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?XD
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:41:40Z
😄
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do you have a 32-bit version of windows?
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what did u do, install linux version or what
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heinrich5991
do you have a 32-bit version of windows?
რილია 2024-01-08 17:42:01Z
no, 64
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do you have an ARM CPU?
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heinrich5991
do you have an ARM CPU?
რილია 2024-01-08 17:42:19Z
i have intel
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i never had this issue on this pc before
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which version did you download?
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I can't get tsan to be happy pepeW
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:44:13Z
this version which gives me this error is 17.4.2
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I will never finish this PR and will have to refactor it again in 2025
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Learath2
I can't get tsan to be happy pepeW
let it be sad then pepeW
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:45:57Z
but i built a 17.4 version on my windows and the server runs without any problem
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this version which gives me this error is 17.4.2
რილია 2024-01-08 17:46:29Z
i downloaded this version from the ddnet.org
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and update it, if i remember
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ah
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perhaps redownload it then
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but i built a 17.4 version on my windows and the server runs without any problem
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Windows Server
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:51:02Z
windows users are such a pain in the ass
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me
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But Server
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:51:15Z
faking windows
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what with servers?
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Learath2
I can't get tsan to be happy pepeW
ah u want to use TSAN?
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I would preffer an arch server over an windows server
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people spamming
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me
Also me
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Learath2
I can't get tsan to be happy pepeW
try with env var: TSAN_OPTIONS=ignore_noninstrumented_modules=1
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Learath2
I can't get tsan to be happy pepeW
You tried bribing it with candy?
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kek
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:57:25Z
let me just install a fresh 17.4.2
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portable sry
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54 mb game waste me 9 years
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54 mb game waste me 9 years
Thats how you know you’re doing it correctly
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რილია 2024-01-08 17:59:54Z
with fresh 17.4.2 version downloaded, the server runs without proble
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m
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maybe it's gonna do something with update the client ?
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or i changed something in the folder that i wont remember 😂
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Bota
Thats how you know you’re doing it correctly
რილია 2024-01-08 18:02:08Z
ye, you wasting it right
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did u check if it's your modifications?
რილია 2024-01-08 18:02:18Z
ye, it's my modification feelsamazingman
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how can i debug it with dbg ?
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oo guys, please add a command that can be used to transmit strong example: /strong (nickname) ONLY STRONG (edited)
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რილია 2024-01-08 18:07:11Z
swap clients ?
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is it swaps the strong too ?
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swap is very long
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რილია 2024-01-08 18:20:36Z
Thread 1 received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00007ff751c2b5e2 in CCharacter::Die(int, int, bool) () 😂
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ChillerDragon: the idea is that the whole score kind thing can go away from the serverside again. you already did the info json, now you can move the game info snap stuff into the mod controller so you can do what you like from inside a mod
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ah u want to use TSAN?
I don't particularly want to but it's in our codebase now and I need to atleast not introduce new warnings
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but we don't need special code for handling that in ddnet
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If it's not lying to me the code I wrote must be completely broken. It can statically even determine that the lock is held it seems when I can't find any way it can be held
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maybe it's lying to you?
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You mean clang thread safety analysis? I don't think that's the same as ThreadSanitizer
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Oh yeah, not tsan. Thread safety analysis
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ah
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use it with libc++
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u either use full clang ecosystem
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or u dont use clang tools xd
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I guess the problem is that we're currently using thread safety analysis
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It's in compile time, so it shouldn't matter my libc++. But I did try with all possible configurations
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then change the CI
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Learath2
It's in compile time, so it shouldn't matter my libc++. But I did try with all possible configurations
perhaps it needs special annotations for smart pointers from the libc++
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to use libc++ xd
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then change the CI
It's failing locally too
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რილია 2024-01-08 18:26:21Z
real men talking
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:26:37Z
@heinrich5991 i see. sad
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why sad? it does everything you need, no? ChillerDragon
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:27:08Z
now i am forced to overwrite the snap
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as a modder
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heinrich5991
perhaps it needs special annotations for smart pointers from the libc++
unique_ptr works completely fine though ;/ and I did try with libc++ and libstdc++
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Learath2
unique_ptr works completely fine though ;/ and I did try with libc++ and libstdc++
rest in peace
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ChillerDragon
now i am forced to overwrite the snap
Why you are bot
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:27:47Z
i guess only as a modder with minigames
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what clang do you use @Learath2
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:27:58Z
@4ipset i hooman u bot
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clang --version Debian clang version 18.0.0 (++20231122111257+b3a9e8f7c0af-1~exp1~20231122111413.1710)
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😏
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what clang do you use @Learath2
Probably the very latest. It's whatever arch ships and they usually ship bleeding edge
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22.11.2023
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uff
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i should update my system
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1626 packets available
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uff
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@4ipset i hooman u bot
But you are bot
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But it's not even the shared_ptr thing. My changes in updater are the ones that concern me
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Whatever. I went outside for a bit. I'll think more when I get back
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:30:59Z
@heinrich5991 so i can keep chainging the snap but not with id arg=
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its not even additional maintenance or complexity to have an id arg is it?
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so your only argument against is that it is not correct enough?
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got alvincanceled
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ChillerDragon
so your only argument against is that it is not correct enough?
generally, I dislike adding code that isn't correct enough
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:34:15Z
-.-
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makes my life harder
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I think we need to ahve a discussion about how much moddability we want in ddnet
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:34:54Z
i think so too
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where and how?
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I don't like adding piecemeal stuff where I can't even see whether it helps with moddability or not
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but for this particular usecase, it'd be enough to make the info json moddable plus the game info stuff
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so why not just do that?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:35:57Z
well i did do everything now
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check latest commits
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but i still think that the additional clientid arg gives modders more flexibility without having to touch code that might change upstream
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yea, it still has a function ScoreKind
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I'd like to see that gone
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:36:43Z
replaced how?
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instead, the mod can add stuff to the snap directly
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:37:20Z
by reimplementing the whole gamecontroller snap?
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adding points score should be smooth
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otherwise you can not call ddnet the community fork of teeworlds
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ChillerDragon
adding points score should be smooth
[citation needed]
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this is stuff that would be discussed in a moddability discussion
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:38:15Z
yes
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maybe we need it before #7770
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chillerbot BOT 2024-01-08 18:38:35Z
Running ./DDNet-Server "sv_gametype mod" now shows -9999 in scoreboard and reports the "points" score kind to master server. This gives ddnet based mods a clear api for using po...
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:39:05Z
so where how when with how do we discuss?
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im all in
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open an issue
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hi heino
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:39:47Z
can be held in so many directions i hope it doesnt go all over the place
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Why all people’s in this channel with default avatars
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:40:14Z
if you do not agree with the defaults, you use the wrong software
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he doesnt have my skin in his skins folder
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thats why it's default
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:40:34Z
xd
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Default avatar is looks strange
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(but for the current pull request, it suffice to make the game info object snappable) (edited)
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~is~
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wtf whats discords markup for crossed out
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s
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fakiu
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two tildes
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:41:32Z
@heinrich5991 i gtg we need another round before this pr is finished
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4ipset
Why all people’s in this channel with default avatars
რილია 2024-01-08 18:41:39Z
cus they know how to code
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cus they know how to code
no front @Learath2
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How much do we want to support moddability in the DDNet codebase? Note that this doesn't talk about the network protocol but about the actual code.
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cus they know how to code
Now I too pro coder? xD
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color is invalid
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sorry
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What colors is not invalid
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რილია 2024-01-08 18:52:14Z
how can i disallow players to join spectators ?
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im talking about the icon on the client when you press Esc
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@heinrich5991 @Learath2 does musl support dns over tcp yet?
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Ryozuki
@heinrich5991 @Learath2 does musl support dns over tcp yet?
I think so
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check code somewhere in gamecontroller, afair there is some hook/wrapper like function
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im talking about the icon on the client when you press Esc
btw you can global search in any ide to check any code part you want
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Ryozuki
@heinrich5991 @Learath2 does musl support dns over tcp yet?
I don't remember haven't needed musl for anything in a while
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What should be in and out of scope for ddnet codebase moddability. What should ddnet offer for custom forks? And what will ddnet not do for custom forks? I personally would like to see most standard mods: ctf/fng/city/ball With features like: point score, round based, team based, custom tiles, custom database, custom player/character methods and attributes, custom chat/rcon commands, vanilla weapons (damaga/gun curvature/shotgun bullets) And all of that would be ideally addable to the ...
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xDD
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we have like 20 mod issues now
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ws-client BOT 2024-01-08 18:58:11Z
<discord> e
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:58:14Z
omg
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@heinrich5991
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maybe instead of making issues, start coding
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:58:21Z
u opend a issue
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IAUGWdh89ahw98dh980awd
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#7299
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:58:52Z
heirnicjhc
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#7297
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:58:54Z
sosos
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#7296
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#7288
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#7192
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 18:59:12Z
wat now
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NP FOR SPAM
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Wtf kaffeine is spamming issues
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ChillerDragon
wat now
hi how are u
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Jupstar ✪
NP FOR SPAM
stop pls
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kimmchtr
stop pls
fragezeichen
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fragezeichen
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the issues opened by Kaffeine are about protocol-level support
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not source-level support
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we have like 20 mod issues now
these are for people that have both time and wish to write code xd
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gerdoe
these are for people that have both time and wish to write code xd
wat
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wat
ddnet 2
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gerdoe
ddnet 2
u doing it? thanks 😏
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რილია 2024-01-08 19:16:51Z
bug fixed, now players can't join spectator or any team
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gerdoe
these are for people that have both time and wish to write code xd
so, who are those ppl xdd
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-01-08 19:23:03Z
@heinrich5991: did you see this? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7769
It has been one day without reactions to my comment in a closed pr so I am escalating it to an issue!! #7764 (comment) #7764 added net messages for start and end of lists such as rcon commands. I w...
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u doing it? thanks 😏
wanna make something dd-pg based, messing around with exams and procrastination instead
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gerdoe
wanna make something dd-pg based, messing around with exams and procrastination instead
epic
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Messages would get translated in extra files, the main game code would not need to concern itself with that. Ideally, this could also handle old DDNet clients. Would me implementing such a solution be acceptable? An upgrade over the status quo? @Robyt3 @ChillerDragon @edg-l @Jupeyy @Learath2 ?
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pretty cool
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The server community was only initialized when receiving server info. This caused servers for which no server info is received to be hidden when using the community filter. Now the community filter also works correctly for servers for which no ordinary server info is received, by initializing the community already when adding server entries to the list. Closes #7776.

Checklist

  • [X] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in comb...
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!outlines_before_after

Checklist

  • [x] Tested the change ingame
  • [x] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [x] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [x] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [x] Changed no physics that affect existing ...
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6bdc73a Fix community not set for servers with missing server info - Robyt3 9de11a5 Merge pull request #7780 from Robyt3/Serverbrowser-Community-Update-Fix - heinrich5991
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hey, what settings do i have to set to use custom skins url, i tried to do as written on https://skins.scrumplex.net/ but it doest work xd
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MilkeeyCat
hey, what settings do i have to set to use custom skins url, i tried to do as written on https://skins.scrumplex.net/ but it doest work xd
Do you have community skins on?
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this?
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Then it's a different config var
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 22:31:54Z
@heinrich5991 #7779 s/Would me/Would be/
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chillerbot BOT 2024-01-08 22:31:54Z
Messages would get translated in extra files, the main game code would not need to concern itself with that. Ideally, this could also handle old DDNet clients. Would me implementing such a solution...
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ChillerDragon BOT 2024-01-08 22:32:08Z
wait wot i cant read
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you want to do that?! xd
22:32
u got nothing todo? xd
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@Jupstar ✪ what window manager/compositor is good on wayland?
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Mr.Gh0s7
@Jupstar ✪ what window manager/compositor is good on wayland?
I dunno. I use KDE xd
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But I don't use Wayland yet
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It's for ever unstable
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ic ty :)
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I like that Wayland doesn't require to turn the compositor off. It simply doesn't render it if a full screen app is active
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I wonder If that will also work if tearing is on
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Else it's useless for me xd
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^^ I'm sticking to x11 then (I was gonna try wayland out with a new system but now I lost interest) and stop delaying learning ue5
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I'll try it out when plasma 6 comes out
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They claim to have proper support
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ok, i clicked same checkbox 10 times and it started working
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