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go to a doctor 😭
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Been allready got some perscribed meds for sleeping and had to promise, i will only eat 2 a month, and only take them if i really cant go on anymore
06:36
But today i slept 3h for sure so i guess its progresd
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Ey, who's deleting my messages to freddie?
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Well, regular moderators can delete posts too
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afaik only henrich has discordmod role, so pinging that only pings him
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sorry for him
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he's a machine, his feelings are just pointers or something else akin to that
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what happened
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TsFreddie
what happened
nothing, i pinged U with a question anyone could answer, and it got deleted :V
11:47
@TsFreddie Btw, what would U choose, new, better job? or a familly trip for 2 weeks (and U stay with the old job due to it)
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owo
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then think hard!
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Overlord
then think hard!
what would u choose? santatrollet
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MilkeeyCat
what would u choose? santatrollet
if learath is offline, I can answer truthfully... FLOWERS 🥀 (edited)
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I dont dream of labour
12:06
and trips dont bring me joy
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@.learath
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Overlord
if learath is offline, I can answer truthfully... FLOWERS 🥀 (edited)
Edit this answer immediately. This is against good vibes
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good vibes police has arrived
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aight aight
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i would try to quit my job and make a full production of one thing. if it worked out i bring my family to a big trip to celebrate. if it didn't i bring my family to a big trip to relax and make the next thing
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owo
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too bad the first step is nearly impossible
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cant have both things
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also realisation that I would be way better off, to just move to any € country to work as warehouse worker is kinda depressing
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btw. I wonder what's with this weird policy, to delete, the @. discordmod call, is it to keep chat continuity or what @heinrich5991 ?
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it's not relevant to the chat
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weird but somewhat understandable
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censorship kek
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I always thought, that new year (or just dates) are numbers, and they dont mean anything in the grand scheme, but now I am of opinion, they do affect me, albeit negatively xd
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Downfall, a fan expansion for the popular Slay the Spire indie strategy game, was breached on Christmas Day to push Epsilon information stealer malware using the Steam update system.
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i've been using that mod, tho not in that timeframe
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saw this somewhere, its not about the characters themselves, but the person who use them as profile pictures
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justatest
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@chancho are u right wing?
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xd
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lol they really put Asuka there XD?
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i repeat
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it is about the users using them as PFP
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not the anime character personality
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ye ye, but still i think the memes depict her differently
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genius memes
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so genius for urderstand it (edited)
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there is nothing better than to enjoy the suffering of billions of animals while destroying the whole planet for a subjective taste that lasts 10seconds
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ScReeNy
there is nothing better than to enjoy the suffering of billions of animals while destroying the whole planet for a subjective taste that lasts 10seconds
bro, it's not even real meat at mcdonalds
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ScReeNy
there is nothing better than to enjoy the suffering of billions of animals while destroying the whole planet for a subjective taste that lasts 10seconds
yum
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ScReeNy
there is nothing better than to enjoy the suffering of billions of animals while destroying the whole planet for a subjective taste that lasts 10seconds
typical GO VEGAN finisher
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there is nothing better than to limit such a simple desire such as food on ur already short life
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also i think most of the time it's not even about taste, but also proteins, and TO MAKE LIFE OF EVERYONE ELSE WORSE, that's what makes me eat everything i can get my hands on
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yeah proteins best
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more gains
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justatest
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ah yes proteins
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yeah, I promised random people at hospital, i will keep it up
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my bad then it must be justified
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Sir @ScReeNy but how is it destroying planet?
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it's only destroying / forcing change on current ecosystem
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how can U be sure, after wipeout of current fauna and flora, there wont be new organism thriving on greenhouse gases
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Overlord
bro, it's not even real meat at mcdonalds
doubt. sources?
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heinrich5991
doubt. sources?
my stomach, that feels like puking after eating there, everytime ( i eat there extremely rarerly )
13:56
but i learnt my lesson, and i only take fries nowdays
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Overlord
my stomach, that feels like puking after eating there, everytime ( i eat there extremely rarerly )
the conclusion sounds wrong (edited)
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i assumed its obvious that planet and humanly liveable plant is the same in this context
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@Overlord come to spain and try a real nice jamon
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its delicious
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@Ryozuki
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Idk if it's still legal?
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I would have to ask him first
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Overlord
Sir @ScReeNy but how is it destroying planet?
it's generally accepted in the natural sciences that climate change as it is is pretty destructive
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Ryozuki
@Overlord come to spain and try a real nice jamon
+200$ justatest
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Jamón (Spanish pronunciation: [xaˈmon], pl. jamones) is a kind of dry-cured ham produced in Spain. It is one of the most globally recognized food items of Spanish cuisine. It is also regularly a component of tapas.Most jamón is commonly called jamón serrano in Spain.Jamón is the Spanish word for ham. As such, other ham products produced or consu...
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u know whats good?
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this with melon
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its insane
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@Ryozuki melon or watermelon, also how salty is it?
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i want this
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but its more for summer
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heinrich5991
it's generally accepted in the natural sciences that climate change as it is is pretty destructive
because, they have self-preservation instinc and try to fearmonger people?
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Ryozuki
Click to see attachment 🖼️
I would probably swap melon for cheese
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@Overlord what makes it good is the salty taste vs the sweet tasting melon
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no bro
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i also thought it was weird
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but its one of the best tapas
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well cured / smoked meats are great
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if we care about climate change first overthrow boats
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then planes
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Overlord
because, they have self-preservation instinc and try to fearmonger people?
yes, because they like humans, and biological diversity
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a boat parked in barcelona produces more co2 than anything
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also start to using local products, unlike MCdonald that tastes exactly same everywhere, (as it's delivered frozen )
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heinrich5991
yes, because they like humans, and biological diversity
then why are they stopping biodiversity?
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climate change reduces biodiversity, pretty well documented
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Ryozuki
@chancho are u right wing?
totally
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heinrich5991
climate change reduces biodiversity, pretty well documented
human existence too, also some animals just die out, either way, climate change of the scale i typed up there, would force new biodiversity, it's arguing like "But dinosaurs have to stay, so we can keep our biodiversity" (and thus wouldnt have a lot of what we have rn )
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Ryozuki
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I would rather keep the ships, as they haul massive cargo, and just abolish planes, because all they do is make transportation fast
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a trip from Berlin to Japan is just 18-19 hours
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insane.
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Overlord
I would rather keep the ships, as they haul massive cargo, and just abolish planes, because all they do is make transportation fast
the cruise ships
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are for people
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going vacation
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or rly rich people
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yachts
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too rich, never heard of that ( yea i saw titanic )
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barcelona is one of the biggest yacht ports
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Ryozuki
yachts
keep yachts but only the sail powered ones
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i saw the biggest yacht in the world not long ago
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Overlord
human existence too, also some animals just die out, either way, climate change of the scale i typed up there, would force new biodiversity, it's arguing like "But dinosaurs have to stay, so we can keep our biodiversity" (and thus wouldnt have a lot of what we have rn )
"some animals would die out, either way" is completely understating the effect
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@Overlord the problem mainly is rising temps would make souther population mass immigrate
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raising sea level too
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immigration is always a problem
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it would destabilize economy on global scale
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and im sure the nordics dont want any immigration
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they have us the south europe as shield
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wars over resources
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not in my lifetime
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could be
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how old are you?
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heinrich5991
"some animals would die out, either way" is completely understating the effect
but they do
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it's not about how old i am, but how long i will live :*
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I guess stuff like that will continue to happen in your lifetime
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technically ryo im still 23, but it's just around the corner, so i skipped the month, just so i can die earlier!
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e.g. IIRC syria's crisis is partly due to the climate crisis already
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all these crises are man made, so im not even sorry, we cant choose times we live in
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its sad we are so intelligent but cant do pure reneweable energy yet
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we should conquer the sun
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romans had their issues, and so did nordic tribes
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it's never good times to live
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Ryozuki
its sad we are so intelligent but cant do pure reneweable energy yet
problem is greed
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"all crises are man made"
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well right now is in fact the best time to live
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heinrich5991
"all crises are man made"
U gonna bring pompei?
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like the climate crises
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so far
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so let's do something about it?
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it's not only "other people's greed"
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@heinrich5991 also U totally changed my message as i said "THESE"
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these as what is happening in syria
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and the immigration in europe
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but also our own, and our willingness to do something about it
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but U turned it into all of possible cirsises
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heinrich5991
it's not only "other people's greed"
yeah? then why do planes still fly?
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btw totally offtopic but i want europe to force ipv6 adoption
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give me one reason, that current planes should fly
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Overlord
yeah? then why do planes still fly?
seems entirely unrelated to my point
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I'm saying that there's things everyone can do
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and you point to "other bad thing"
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my point is, people are greedy, they're greedy for money or for comfort
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Wait are we having another insane opinion from Overlord moment here?
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how is my opinion insane, how can something be CRISIS, if it's easily averted by not doing X?
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imo that's just crying (edited)
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great. easily let all humans avert doing stuff that's bad for the climate
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thanks ❤️
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also regarding mcdonald, if they did it like KFC (sourced local chicken and only sent the spices mix) that would already pollute way less, all the cargo ships and trucks wouldnt have to go there
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IIRC the cargoships are way less of a problem than the meat production
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heinrich5991
great. easily let all humans avert doing stuff that's bad for the climate
then they would have to stop living? all creatures affect climate, but why are U claiming it's bad
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changing climate is not bad PER SE
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Overlord
then they would have to stop living? all creatures affect climate, but why are U claiming it's bad
no, lol, not what I'm saying
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heinrich5991
IIRC the cargoships are way less of a problem than the meat production
for the temperature, maybe yes, for sea ecosystem, they run on the dirtiest of fuels
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also they dont stop their engines most of the time, as it's cheaper to keep it running
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Overlord
changing climate is not bad PER SE
changing the climate as it is currently changed is bad. ask any local scientist
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I would love to adjust my tinfoil hat, and say, just like the studies, that sugar is better than fats in 70s, I rather not ask my local scientist, as he doesnt do any science, but learns what is sourced to him
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albeit scientist in bigger city than mine might actually be funded to do something
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Overlord
I would love to adjust my tinfoil hat, and say, just like the studies, that sugar is better than fats in 70s, I rather not ask my local scientist, as he doesnt do any science, but learns what is sourced to him
I guess I'll leave, this message illustrates nicely who I'm discussing with
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as if U didnt know before
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it's not our first rodeo Heinrich!
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also just to finish the topic, I personally think, that the best thing happening to the world according to eco-people, would be to enslave everyone, and live like medieval peasants, with electric enterteiment, and rich people can do whatever they want cuz they're rich
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and they pay their "climate footprint" back
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The effect of meat production on climate change is vastly overstated so we can fight eachother about ethics instead of eating the people that still burn coal. If you look at only direct emissions from livestock it’s not remotely as bad as most make it
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If we were to drag in every downstream emission caused by the production and burning of fossil fuels like people do for cattle fossil fuels contribution to climate change would also look insane
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Learath2
The effect of meat production on climate change is vastly overstated so we can fight eachother about ethics instead of eating the people that still burn coal. If you look at only direct emissions from livestock it’s not remotely as bad as most make it
can you give some numbers?
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The thing is Learath, nowadays you can't just look at "direct emissions", you also need to look at the emissions made by the car of the guy who goes to macdonalds xd
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heinrich5991
can you give some numbers?
can u give local scientists tho
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if we are pedantic lets all be
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Ryozuki
can u give local scientists tho
I'm sure there are scientists somewhere among @Overlord's friends
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I could give global scientists, but I can't give local ones, I don't know where @Overlord lives
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poland iirc
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heinrich5991
I could give global scientists, but I can't give local ones, I don't know where @Overlord lives
just give Ur own local ones?
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it's really deflective of U
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to bring me, when asked if U can give local scientist
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meanwhile when I do it, im avoiding answers and yadayada
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Overlord
just give Ur own local ones?
sure, I have plenty of scientists in my friend group
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but that doesn't help you in particular
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from just this discord I can only point out Chairn? afaik
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heinrich5991
but that doesn't help you in particular
well surerly, mostly because idk what U consider local
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btw, can I also give my insane opinion about climate change. What Overlord said isn't completely wrong imo "but learns what is sourced to him". At unis/ high schools etc you mostly learn how bad and problematic climate change is and how much humans are contributing to it. The whole scientist community doesn't really agree with the human contribution part tho, here's a decent physicist (I'd say) opinion for example: https://www.newsweek.com/nobel-prize-winner-who-doesnt-believe-climate-crisis-has-speech-canceled-1815020
"I don't believe there is a climate crisis," Dr. John Clauser said during a speech at Quantum Korea 2023 in Seoul, South Korea.
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if country wide is "local" then obviously there are
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anyone near you
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but if we consider local as people WE MET, irl then no I cant point anyone reliable, despite knowing people with higher education, because they're just repeating what somone else thought of
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only doctor/professor level people theoretically have achievments
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but it's also false
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Devinci
btw, can I also give my insane opinion about climate change. What Overlord said isn't completely wrong imo "but learns what is sourced to him". At unis/ high schools etc you mostly learn how bad and problematic climate change is and how much humans are contributing to it. The whole scientist community doesn't really agree with the human contribution part tho, here's a decent physicist (I'd say) opinion for example: https://www.newsweek.com/nobel-prize-winner-who-doesnt-believe-climate-crisis-has-speech-canceled-1815020
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as I have met a doctor, and he explained his work (which only worked in exact specific circumstances that he created) so how is that science?
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scientific consensus says: climate change is man-made
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heinrich5991
scientific consensus says: climate change is man-made
Where do you see that
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not on the link you sent
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that link shows consensus on climate change, which I said nothing about it
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The whole scientist community doesn't really agree with the human contribution part tho, here's a decent physicist (I'd say) opinion for example:
I was responding to this
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no, you are wrong
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the whole scientist community agrees on the human contribution
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sources? I'll try to find sources on my take "soon", I'm a little busy rn for it
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At unis/ high schools etc you mostly learn how bad and problematic climate change is and how much humans are contributing to it.
at unis/high schools you mostly learn how gravity works. that's also not bad
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My take is, unis are getting political, climate change is, gravity isn't
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discussing in discord is so pointless
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call me nuts (again) but: 1. I think we have different perception of what we consider "science" and "scientist" 2. Personally I think U're not considering many unknowns that are yet to be seen, we can only infer from the data we gather now. and while we're defienietly accelerating climate, I dont think we're "changing it" any different than humans 1000 years ago. they too, polluted and tended to livestock.
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Sure, the FAO puts their emissions number at 18.5% in 2006 (revised to 14%~ after many people pointed out exactly what I point out). This is the commonly cited “life cycle included” number, which is then compared to non life cycle numbers for transportation in many papers. If one is to limit themselves to direct emissions you commonly find much saner numbers, around 3% - 7% for livestock aswell.
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ScReeNy
discussing in discord is so pointless
it's a decent time killer :p.
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Devinci
sources? I'll try to find sources on my take "soon", I'm a little busy rn for it
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you just cant check or provide any source at this pace
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Devinci
My take is, unis are getting political, climate change is, gravity isn't
what does "political" mean in this context? some people disagree? is "flat earth" political, too? no. round earth is a fact. just like man-made climate change happening
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Views on causes of climate change vary widely between countries.
On the link you just sent xd
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yes. on the population level
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not for the scientists
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Devinci
The thing is Learath, nowadays you can't just look at "direct emissions", you also need to look at the emissions made by the car of the guy who goes to macdonalds xd
Then lets be fair, include every downstream use of electricity created by coal and the economic benefit derived by the transportation that burns other fossil fuels all around us
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It's political tho, just like forcing electric cars, despite producing electricity with coal.
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Overlord
It's political tho, just like forcing electric cars, despite producing electricity with coal.
define "political"
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(not to mention how LI-on batteries are made )
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for example we take learaths take here, these numbers could be right. But there is just so much more to it. Landuse could be reduced by 3/4 with other diets, whcih provide reforestation blablabla
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then heinrich, link me to your scientists. Because you just sent me another link that confirms golbal warming, not the cause of it
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Climate change is certainly real, but attributing it to meat while beijings air is at times unbreathable is hilarious to me
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heinrich5991
define "political"
Politcal, as in It allows people aspiring to be goverment body or goverment itself to propell itself to greater heights (more control over population )
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heinrich5991
yes. on the population level
and where is that written. Seems to me that it's yet again jsut your take
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Devinci
then heinrich, link me to your scientists. Because you just sent me another link that confirms golbal warming, not the cause of it
from the link:
There is a near-complete scientific consensus that the climate is warming and that this is caused by human activities. As of 2019, agreement in recent literature reached over 99%.[396][397] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[398]
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Learath2
Climate change is certainly real, but attributing it to meat while beijings air is at times unbreathable is hilarious to me
stop protecting Ur meat, and eat tofu!
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i like to use this graph, most of the AFOLU sector can be linked to livestock farming. The potential is huge, the direct emmisions might not look as much https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/static/59f5b3167f241da7fea2e50b2b497574/f2f57/IPCC_AR6_WGIII_FigureSPM7.png (edited)
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Overlord
stop protecting Ur meat, and eat tofu!
I eat tofu too, and if they made lab meat that mimics real meat well enough without having high emissions or horrible nutritional values I’ll switch to that
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Devinci
and where is that written. Seems to me that it's yet again jsut your take
it's in the "Public awareness and opinion" section
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Learath2
I eat tofu too, and if they made lab meat that mimics real meat well enough without having high emissions or horrible nutritional values I’ll switch to that
I dont like tofu, because it tastes like whatever it was kept in ( last time it was egg, as it was soaked in egg ) >:(
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heinrich5991
from the link:
There is a near-complete scientific consensus that the climate is warming and that this is caused by human activities. As of 2019, agreement in recent literature reached over 99%.[396][397] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[398]
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Overlord
I dont like tofu, because it tastes like whatever it was kept in ( last time it was egg, as it was soaked in egg ) >:(
What an absurd tofu dish, who marinates stuff in egg even?
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this is a issue of how papers are printed
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Learath2
What an absurd tofu dish, who marinates stuff in egg even?
my local vietnamese
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i will never give up meat
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@heinrich5991 I know it will sound like tinfoil idea to U, but imagine a world, where U have different opinion than somone else, and U have to get Ur paper approved, by people who dont agree with U. now U have 99% scientist reaching consenus
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Ryozuki
i will never give up meat
Its veganuary give it a try https://veganuary.com/. Our vegan teeworlds discord grew to 20 members 🙂
Since 2014, Veganuary has inspired and supported more than 2.5 million people in 228 countries to try vegan for January - and beyond!
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Devinci
btw, can I also give my insane opinion about climate change. What Overlord said isn't completely wrong imo "but learns what is sourced to him". At unis/ high schools etc you mostly learn how bad and problematic climate change is and how much humans are contributing to it. The whole scientist community doesn't really agree with the human contribution part tho, here's a decent physicist (I'd say) opinion for example: https://www.newsweek.com/nobel-prize-winner-who-doesnt-believe-climate-crisis-has-speech-canceled-1815020
Btw this is kinda conspiracy level, I’m fairly sure most anyone credible believes humans are atleast A factor in climate change
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heinrich5991
it's in the "Public awareness and opinion" section
yes mb I read that too fast. I'm still really skeptical about that 99%. Plus I have my doubts about wikipedia really being that fair. Anyways, I'll try to provide sources from my side some time appart from the nobel prize. And going back to political... I can't really define it any better than a google definition sadly
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Ryozuki
i will never give up meat
well U will, when body decomposes, the meat leaves the bones :(
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Learath2
Btw this is kinda conspiracy level, I’m fairly sure most anyone credible believes humans are atleast A factor in climate change
everyone thinks they are a factor, what I meant is the consensus on actual impact %
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Devinci
yes mb I read that too fast. I'm still really skeptical about that 99%. Plus I have my doubts about wikipedia really being that fair. Anyways, I'll try to provide sources from my side some time appart from the nobel prize. And going back to political... I can't really define it any better than a google definition sadly
would you concede the point if we find other sources of the scientific consensus?
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After my own research, yeah
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ah, and you want to find sources. nice!
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Devinci
yes mb I read that too fast. I'm still really skeptical about that 99%. Plus I have my doubts about wikipedia really being that fair. Anyways, I'll try to provide sources from my side some time appart from the nobel prize. And going back to political... I can't really define it any better than a google definition sadly
U can manipulate data however U want, as long as U take data points that fit Ur narrative. for example 100% of My roommates agree with me that, cleaning floor more often than twice a week is waste of time
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more than once a month is a waste of time troll
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i don't think you need to be too pedantic to see that humans have a large contribution to climate change
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even if you ignore global temperatures you still see evidence with air pollution, artificial selection, etc.
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now if we put my message from above into wikipedia article it will look like this: " 100% of roomlivers, agree that cleaning floor more often than bimonthly is economically bad [22]"
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ScReeNy
for example we take learaths take here, these numbers could be right. But there is just so much more to it. Landuse could be reduced by 3/4 with other diets, whcih provide reforestation blablabla
Less landuse isn’t always a net positive btw. With incredible cruelty one can grow animals in extremely tight spaces
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and nobody will check that [22] source
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because we live in the world of fast information, nobody has time to check on things
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we are really just getting somone's TL:DR of what they "read" and where they read that
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Learath2
Less landuse isn’t always a net positive btw. With incredible cruelty one can grow animals in extremely tight spaces
its more about the animal food
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for which right now we even have deforestation
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ScReeNy
its more about the animal food
what do u think about lab grown
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Learath2
Less landuse isn’t always a net positive btw. With incredible cruelty one can grow animals in extremely tight spaces
btw regarding meat, wait till they crack on WOOL production, that leaves entire plots of lands looking like wasteland
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louis
what do u think about lab grown
i think its fine, but personally im not sure if i could have the taste again
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Overlord
btw regarding meat, wait till they crack on WOOL production, that leaves entire plots of lands looking like wasteland
Please don’t give people ideas, lab fabrics are 100% inferior
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Learath2
Please don’t give people ideas, lab fabrics are 100% inferior
true, I became true wool believer, after my previous trips, that kept me warm, and dry, despite whatever was happening
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the goretex acrylic stuff can go away! (not to mention that producing it is also enviormentally bad :-v)
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ScReeNy
its more about the animal food
Yeah, I guess that part helps. Deforestation is truly IMO the worst part of humans changing the world
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I wonder how deforestation affects rising temperatures, considering that not only we cut (and often burn or saw them into fine dust ) trees, but also replace that part of ground with cement/asphalt and it heats way more than even dry ground
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thus we have more surface, to catch sunlight, and trap ourselves with heat (edited)
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Learath2
Yeah, I guess that part helps. Deforestation is truly IMO the worst part of humans changing the world
unbiodegradable waste is also up there
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imo it all starts and ends with greed. Because producing more than is needed, and then disposing of it. is clearly issue of greed. (entire fabric industry, both real and man-made) is burning clothes they produced and couldn't sell just because "seasonal/fashion change" (so, labour to produce it, transportation, chemicals to color it, and so on) and if they dont destroy the clothes, then the price of their goods would fall due to saturation
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can we have ddnet event where every finish we deforest 1 meter square of land
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louis
unbiodegradable waste is also up there
Yes, most plastics are also horrible, and we can’t even take is back. We can atleast grow trees again
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can we have ddnet event where every finish we deforest 1 meter square of land
Let’s do the opposite. Plant 1 tree for every finish 😄
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dope graph, I would only argue at calorie supply, because of processed foods, U have "plant" (eg. plant oil) in everything, even in things that on logic wouldnt have that
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Learath2
Let’s do the opposite. Plant 1 tree for every finish 😄
then they will all play insane 5 maps...
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Overlord
call me nuts (again) but: 1. I think we have different perception of what we consider "science" and "scientist" 2. Personally I think U're not considering many unknowns that are yet to be seen, we can only infer from the data we gather now. and while we're defienietly accelerating climate, I dont think we're "changing it" any different than humans 1000 years ago. they too, polluted and tended to livestock.
Btw humans of a millennia ago definitely can not be compared to us. They were much more in harmony with their surroundings and there were far less of them with only a handful of ways to pollute anything. Your second point is an awful argument
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How is a human from 1023 supposed to pollute a river with microplastics or produce several gigawatts of energy from fossil fuels? (edited)
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Learath2
Btw humans of a millennia ago definitely can not be compared to us. They were much more in harmony with their surroundings and there were far less of them with only a handful of ways to pollute anything. Your second point is an awful argument
second point, is more like the mass extinction every 5 ( or 10 ) mln years, and given time I could try to find source for that (it's apparently due to cosmic radiation, as the milkyway moves, it's not as shielded)
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Learath2
How is a human from 1023 supposed to pollute a river with microplastics or produce several gigawatts of energy from fossil fuels? (edited)
They could do what BP does... and just spill oil
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In 2023 monopoly man can press one button and produce hundreds of thousands of times more waste than the entire human population
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Overlord
They could do what BP does... and just spill oil
Whomst is even pumping oil in 1023? They did not have the tech tree unlocked
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ancient romans did not have juiced up oil rigs 😭
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Overlord
dope graph, I would only argue at calorie supply, because of processed foods, U have "plant" (eg. plant oil) in everything, even in things that on logic wouldnt have that
my can of processed "meat" that I eat every now and then: water, mechanically separated chicken meat 25%, chicken skin 8%, chicken liver 7%, rapeseed oil, semolina, salt, soy protein, potato starch, dried vegetables (onion, carrots, parsley), corn protein hydrolyzate, yeast extract
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no idea, who does it, but who are U to say, they didnt do it?! If people can find it randomly by digging on their possesion with excavator, who is to say they never had a spill, said "curse my luck, the black shit" and moved somewhere else
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ofc the amounts are neglible, but not impossible to happen!
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That’s like a cup or 2 of oil leaked. BP supertanker explodes, 320 metric tons of oil leaks. Oops maybe you should use your electricity less sweaty (edited)
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Learath2
That’s like a cup or 2 of oil leaked. BP supertanker explodes, 320 metric tons of oil leaks. Oops maybe you should use your electricity less sweaty (edited)
the sentences are very similiar, if U kill a person, or 320
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unless U're in US, and get sentence of 48572384 years
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How is the legal system related to environmental damage at all?
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That’s like a cup or 2 of oil leaked. BP supertanker explodes, 320 metric tons of oil leaks. Oops maybe you should use your electricity less sweaty (edited)
sweaty or sweety?
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Overlord
sweaty or sweety?
It’s sweetie but with the tinge of liberal knowitall accent
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Learath2
It’s sweetie but with the tinge of liberal knowitall accent
understandable, I know Ur true identity now, U're black caring grandma! from Oklahoma!
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Learath2
How is the legal system related to environmental damage at all?
same as me eating meat. It's action that counts (some eco-human will tell U)
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This I agree with, 1 persons consumption and actions are pointless no matter what anyone says
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also im as eco as possible (read as much as i can) I segregate stuff, throw batteries only to special container (have to go there). and just live, and throughout my life, im not even sure I traveled as much as some people do monthly for work purposes
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If you want to stop animal cruelty and stop the climate change caused by meat consumption do it by force. It’s not any single individuals responsibility to do anything about the world. We should all decide together and our governments should enforce our will
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I do believe many people's individual choices helped make being vegan a more viable option
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and without it, I don't think there would be a chance of government realizing the collective will
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I’m not giving up the very occasional steak that I have while premier xi burns the world to the ground
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what has goverment to do with private companies, seeking profit on vegan foods
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Learath2
I’m not giving up the very occasional steak that I have while premier xi burns the world to the ground
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Learath2
I’m not giving up the very occasional steak that I have while premier xi burns the world to the ground
I wasn't telling you to do so. I'm saying that I think that individual choice helped build an environment where being vegan is even just viable
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I do believe many people's individual choices helped make being vegan a more viable option
vegans did not really stay silent while going vegan. If it's something this well known it's because it appeared "by force". Not single individuals deciting to not eat meat on their side
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also can anyone explain to me one thing... how is "Potato" different from " Bio Potato " in shop
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heinrich5991
I wasn't telling you to do so. I'm saying that I think that individual choice helped build an environment where being vegan is even just viable
Honestly it was kinda always viable if you were dedicated enough. I think what it did was to lower the barrier to entry
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Learath2
Honestly it was kinda always viable if you were dedicated enough. I think what it did was to lower the barrier to entry
yes, I can agree to this statement
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Devinci
vegans did not really stay silent while going vegan. If it's something this well known it's because it appeared "by force". Not single individuals deciting to not eat meat on their side
not sure what you mean by that. people going vegan didn't force people to go vegan as well AFAIK
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also can anyone explain to me one thing... how is "Potato" different from " Bio Potato " in shop
Depends on the country it's sold in. Some countries have very strict rules for marking a product bio. In others it's bio if you just avoid a handful of pesticides
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Learath2
Honestly it was kinda always viable if you were dedicated enough. I think what it did was to lower the barrier to entry
I cant agree. Stalin made it way easier, with people eating nothing in the gulags, or whatever tree roots they could find and boil
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Learath2
Depends on the country it's sold in. Some countries have very strict rules for marking a product bio. In others it's bio if you just avoid a handful of pesticides
eu has rules about products marked as organic/bio
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Overlord
I cant agree. Stalin made it way easier, with people eating nothing in the gulags, or whatever tree roots they could find and boil
Being forced into something is very different to having an option
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Devinci
vegans did not really stay silent while going vegan. If it's something this well known it's because it appeared "by force". Not single individuals deciting to not eat meat on their side
This is also sounding a bit like a conspiracy, but I do have a similar sounding opinion. It is very likely a misinformation campaign like the ones back in the day villifying fat
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Vegan food is a HUGE industry (like sugar was back in the day). The more time people focus on arguing about others diets the less time they spend thinking about how the ruling class is dooming us all with the other stuff
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I guess the one bright side of veganism is that there atleast is no harm to it unlike eating sugar
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Well, nowadays if you are a group and want to be known you kinda need to get advertised somehow. And the more drama you generate the more known you will probably be. My point is, when it started being known there were a few single individuals trashing on everyone who does eat meat via social media for example. That's what I meant by not silently going vegan
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throught entire day, I havent consumed meat ( my first meal, that im eating rn) is eggs and spinach. so lets go team Vegetarian ((not vegan))
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Anyway, just some of my obviously biased opinions, don’t take it all too seriously
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or is egg meat?
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it was tasty tho, but it's thanks to salt i guess?
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Overlord
throught entire day, I havent consumed meat ( my first meal, that im eating rn) is eggs and spinach. so lets go team Vegetarian ((not vegan))
If they are going to force us all to have a diet I hope they go for lacto-ovo vegetarianism
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Learath2
If they are going to force us all to have a diet I hope they go for lacto-ovo vegetarianism
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Learath2
If they are going to force us all to have a diet I hope they go for lacto-ovo vegetarianism
btw I could agree with it, if forced to
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problem with peeps, is they forget that animal is not only meat, it's many more items
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so they will keep it up, as they have other sectors to satisfy
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btw, we're really ineffective species, so much energy (both electricity and calories) into this conversation, just so nothing changes.
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chancho
owo
2009 000 000 6274 8267 -- U can pay here
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it that ur birthday
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2009
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that's my birth year not day!
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who cares
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i havent seen a card number which starts with 2009
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me neither, but Usually U send bank ID/account number not card credentials
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4441114413042927
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thats mine
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gimme ur moni
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i cant pay directly on card :(
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btw the number i put up there (now after checking) is 0.5 octet too big for credit card **correcting math mistake ## actually it depends on ISO standard lol (edited)
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and few too small for bank number
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i see i see
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chancho
4441114413042927
btw theres one digit wrong here, too, so yeah
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you couldnt give me ur moni
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well, that's because I dont have any moni left for this month
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what need would U have for less than 100€
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what use, would U have for less than 100€?
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twinbop
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what is Ur use case, for money that's worth below 100€
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dont even know
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damn
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well, then i will keep it for groceries, okay?
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since U only plan to acumulate money
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yeah, well, i need to save up money to get out of ukraine
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well, basic mistake, shouldn't have been in ukraine to begin with.
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why didn't U just get born in Norway?
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Overlord
well, basic mistake, shouldn't have been in ukraine to begin with.
shouldnt be born here?
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Overlord
why didn't U just get born in Norway?
ah fr
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I mean, it was Ur choice
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my mistake
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sry
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like look, if I wanted to play on hard difficulty, I would start in Brazil
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rookie mistakes, look at learath
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born in Turkey, yet rich
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but U cant balance it all, like in RPG, if U choose to start in Norway, rich, and handsome. then U also have debuff, like bone marrow cancer, at age of 1
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well, when i was born in ukraine everything was fine here, im just not all-seeing and i couldnt know that a war would start here
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rookie mistake. Should have started the game, spedrun a bit. and make new save file
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fairly
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but then U would have spoilers, and it's not as nice as first try experience
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overall. U dont need money to leave ukraine
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at best one salary in warehouse would get U out of there
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i need it
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how much?
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Overlord
at best one salary in warehouse would get U out of there
im not an adult
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Then U cant leave anyway?
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Overlord
how much?
~2k$
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Overlord
Then U cant leave anyway?
im going out with my mom
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Overlord
born in Turkey, yet rich
I'm a poor poor man
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Learath2
I'm a poor poor man
traveling the world, eating stuff and drinking fine alcohol :-)
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typical homeless
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i wanna be homeless
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Overlord
typical homeless
It's not my money. Technically I'm poor
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chancho
im going out with my mom
well 2k$ is not much, and wont cover many things, depending where U plan to go, that might be just plane tickets to asia or USA. or that might be traveling fare + 3 weeks of food somewhere else
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Learath2
It's not my money. Technically I'm poor
aight. semi fair, as in Im technically poor too
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Overlord
well 2k$ is not much, and wont cover many things, depending where U plan to go, that might be just plane tickets to asia or USA. or that might be traveling fare + 3 weeks of food somewhere else
its money just to get out, for getting out
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chancho
its money just to get out, for getting out
sounds like paying smugglers
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Overlord
sounds like paying smugglers
yup exactly
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there's no ban at travel from ukraine afaik? so just passport money, and any fare would cost just getting out (ofc without most of the items U ahve in the house)
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im in the occupation
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HF surviving, i can only give bad advice and say silly (and unfunny) jokes today
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so, I recommend becoming Vtuber
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look, 5 $ is nothing for merican man
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and there are many men in merica
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whats merica
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I regret years ago not making hentai music videos
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it's the stupid way to call USA
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got it
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Overlord
I regret years ago not making hentai music videos
Should have learned how to draw. I heard furries pay very well
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Learath2
Should have learned how to draw. I heard furries pay very well
and now I would be like Voxel? no thanks. ( i actually tried learning how to draw in 2018 )
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and i partially succeeded after 19 days, as in i wasnt terrible anymore (but it was only digital drawing) i still cant on paper (well now i cant either )
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id like to start drawing digitally
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chancho
id like to start drawing digitally
what stops U?
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U have a mouse
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go for it
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Doit, don't let your dreams be memes. But don't use a mouse
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steal clipstudio paint or use the free version of some other paint
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Learath2
Doit, don't let your dreams be memes. But don't use a mouse
why?
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Get a chinese drawing tablet, they are cheap nowadays
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but he has to save money
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why are U making life difficult for him, he already has a mouse
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Overlord
but he has to save money
But it's made of chineseum. It's not much
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the only thing i can draw with my mouse is something like this in inkscape
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5$ is not much for american man
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Learath2
But it's made of chineseum. It's not much
but for me 5$ is food for entire day
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Draw furry feet. Sell it for 10$. Repeat 3 times, buy drawing tablet
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where to sell
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whos buying?
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true, idk his discord handle (but his tee name was Arch Linux) and he pays for tee hentai
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I got paid few shekels as down payment
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chancho
whos buying?
Idk where the furries hangout, soz
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if U really have no dignity
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then there are sites
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ekhm where U can use furry or hentai pictures from web
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add text
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and get Ur 30$
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U would probably have to make a video or two (10-15min long in something like windows movie maker) and that's it
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in 2 weeks guaranteed 30$, but the aftermath?
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how will U look Urself in the mirror?
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as a chad who monetizes on incels
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or as a broken man, who sold his soul for cash
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Write honkai star rail erotica. That also pays well from what I hear
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tho imo these sites now are slowly reaching their peak saturation, and it's harder to get in? (but i think like this for 5 years by now... so yeah)
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worst case scenario it doesnt pay as well as in the past
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but U can click ads
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to even start drawing you need to be good at it, i dont have it
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in the past 1 add 15 or 30 sec paid 0.01 $
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chancho
to even start drawing you need to be good at it, i dont have it
false, digitally anyone can draw, as long as U know how to use Ctrl + z and are patient
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but with a mouse, its ugly
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ofc not, first change the stability, second watch people on YT draw with mouse and get amazed, third U can always make 10000000 dots with mouse to make a drawing
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if U cant move and hold left mouse button at same time
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it's all a game of # time vs will # results
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U wouldnt want to spend 100h drawing, abusing Ur will power, just to get 0$
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btw. make google account, find some stable diffusion google tutorial
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generate furry porn, then open these in drawing programs, and do Ur addons so they look uglier
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boom. without skills U're a furry artist
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damn kids nowdays, have literally no willpower
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the hardest part of this is finding a buyer
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when I was Ur age I wanted to die, and look at me now
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chancho
the hardest part of this is finding a buyer
join furry discord
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pose as one of them
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start building it up slowly, by only dropping sketches
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( U can do sketch by tracing on already good picture )
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thus they will believe U're a real person not AI "bot"
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... now that i think about it maybe I shouldnt worry about the job interview and do just this xD
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thats fucked up.
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well we already covered the point of looking at urself the next day
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@chancho I will mimic somone but... Just learn rust
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but please dont ransom hospitals for money
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there are many ways for minors to have money
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most require computer
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but U can always go criminal route? idk I wouldn't recommend that
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or Hunt in forest and sell the animal parts
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remember that it has to be cleaned in first few hours after getting shot/killed
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else the fur loses a lot value
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if U dont know how to Tanne or prep animal just dump shitload of salt on it
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or freeze it
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and then get it to tanner
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U can also just work illegaly in warehouse
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depending on how old U actually are
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if U're 16 U're basically an adult (edited)
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they wont see difference between that and 18
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i dont have forests here, i live in the steppe. ur advice is useless
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steppes have rabbits
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U're just lazy
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yes, I mean it U're like when i say " I would like to learn powershell " it's Ur for " I would like to earn money somehow to leave Ukraine"
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Overlord
they wont see difference between that and 18
im 16, but i dont look 18, maybe 14, 15.
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but if U dont do the actual work, then it's impossibler to achieve these* wants (edited)
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now i remember another way
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but it also requires programming
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make mods for popular games, and setup donations
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wont give U entire 2k, but will earn defienietly something
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now, tell me why they still havent called from the job
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it's already past 5pm
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the new job
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I got job offer
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and so i agreed to talk, and depending how it goes
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we will see if we ever talk again
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lets split your salary
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but idk if i want to work t here, I would have to move out to another city
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70% for me.
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well my salary is already meager
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rn i earn 730€ a month or so
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the other job offers probably twice that or so
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but the cost of living will go up by a lot
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pretty good
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so i think I will end up with 730€ salary in the end and nothing will change
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except city and workplace
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no idea what to do. no choice is good
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alright, then i will just take 4.11% of 730 (edited)
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jaouis
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sounds good
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but monthly it will lead U nowhere? maybe to the furry drawing tablet
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i will get $160 every month
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i get a scholarship and benefits from the state every month
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thonk
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U sure its not 29?
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4.11% of 730 is 30
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so how did U get to 160$ 3every month
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Overlord
U sure its not 29?
i did 4%
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chancho
i get a scholarship and benefits from the state every month
.
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so U already are earning a pretty peny
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i already get 130$ every month
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but if U got money from me... U would to include it in taxes
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else U get jailed
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what taxes? i live in a terrorist occupation
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justatest
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and? TAXES are ETERNAL
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nah, nobody cares
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taxes may be important in the US, but not here
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rip. I should move to Ukraine
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the real tax haven
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corruption haven
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id say
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corruption is everywhere
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theres plenty of it here
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I already have enough of local corruption, especially liked the part where we voted somone who has criminal charges (but cant be prosecuted due to being political) to become political again, or run from country
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great for him he has won, and can do shenanigans again
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i want to live in japan
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chancho
i want to live in japan
LOL, why, wtf, nowdays I probably couldnt live there even if it was possible
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i love it
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if U're not brought up in weird ass work culture
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U will end up like those office workers who cant handle it
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and just go ded
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(tho suicides in poland and japan in 2016 were basically teh same )
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so I guess it's just more well known there than it's here
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Japan is great tourist destinatiuon for sure
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im not going to work there. LOL
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but living there implies...
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aight fair enough
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but they have really bad prisons
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so dont get caught doing whatever U plan
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@chancho are u the weebest in this discord?
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how many anime gifs u have
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Jupstar ✪
@chancho are u the weebest in this discord?
im not a weeb
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Jupstar ✪
how many anime gifs u have
a lot
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not a weeb -> does every weeb thing imaginable
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sounds like a REAL weeb to me
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@chancho do you also draw yourself?
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not a weeb -> does every weeb thing imaginable
im into japanese culture and their language, also i would like to find a girl there its all lol
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@chancho do you also draw yourself?
why
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why
i don't know.. some ppl draw anime stuff theirself
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i cant draw
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ok
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idk.. ive been listening to Ado lately and ive fallen in love with her
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angelic voice
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cool story
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i hope u go outside sometimes
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dont worry about me
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i do when i see all this
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hes a guy
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guy with ears
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rate my minecraft skin btw
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its ok
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im into japanese culture and their language, also i would like to find a girl there its all lol
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