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Between 2023-12-24 00:00:00Z and 2023-12-25 00:00:00Z

but ur outdated

00:01

prism is the norm since long

chillerdragon

@Scrumplex again new launcher?

he will not be stopped (edited)

@Ryozuki: yea was like years ago I see. I am still kinda half way in the process updating from MultiMC to PolyMC haha

00:10

Seems like I can skip straight to prism

foss minecraft launcher community seems like such an esoteric community

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7705 New Editor Tool Idea: Resize Map tile Layers

new Tool so u can resize Tile layers perfectly +1 height and width (so they dont go endless)

quick ques. rust can have memory leak right? like in GC languages where you holds references unintentionally.

02:37

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-KE3HRgdETs&si=4UKzG_SQFnBYxFEJ

Sandeep Nambiar

Rust + Unity? Using Unity as an editor for making Rust games with ...

02:38

@Ryozuki

02:39

https://github.com/gamedolphin/unrust bevy inside unity

GitHub - gamedolphin/unrust

Contribute to gamedolphin/unrust development by creating an account on GitHub.

Ewan

@tela what macos ver u on

Big sur lol. I update like once every 5 years when I'm forced to

ok u got a little while still lol

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

7d9df8d A Stronghold 4 [Final] - ddnet-maps

TsFreddie

quick ques. rust can have memory leak right? like in GC languages where you holds references unintentionally.

It can leak, but only if you can it explicitly or if two shared references store a strong reference to each other

TsFreddie

@Ryozuki

whats the point

09:08

i want to use bevy renderer

09:08

etc

09:08

i didnt watch the video sry

09:08

i only read blogs

owo

im too stoopid to debug other peoples code. I wanna see what http calls some random ass script does when i run it on my system

10:22

wireshak refuses to help because https hides all the interesting info

10:22

is there some LDPRELOAD i can set that just prints some debug info for tcp or better even just http

found the bug. I blame microsoft for it!

11:07

but still would be interested in some http debugger its a recorring theme that i want to see which api calls some program does that i run

11:07

recorring

11:07

chiler typing be like

tip: dont use microsoft products like windows

Thanks good tip

11:53

BTW I wasn’t

11:53

I was using ms vscode js lib

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7706 Improve player and tee settings menus

Add tabs to player and tee settings pages to switch between player (main) and dummy settings instead of using a checkbox for this, to improve the usability. Improve layout of tee settings page, especially with 5:4 resolutions, where the eye selector previously overlapped with other UI elements. Decrease size of eye selector and make better use of empty space overall. Use more space for skin selector instead of showing empty space when "Use custom colors" is disabled. Show favorite skin ...

hello were there any changes to antiping? Feels different in 17.4.2(commit c0ed140)

@trml: ^

Can't think of anything, but also haven't played in a couple of weeks, so not sure

what will happen if you change the gamecore.cpp content and make a server ?

19:31

does the server feel buggy for other people ?

depends on the change you made

19:43

the prediction code baked into the client is mostly for ddrace

19:44

it’s why the moving freeze in kog feels laggy, or any sort of custom entity behavior like in f-ddrace

19:46

it would be cool if you could communicate a per-entity type “prediction scheme” from server to client and the client could use the scheme to predict said entity type

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Ewan

it would be cool if you could communicate a per-entity type “prediction scheme” from server to client and the client could use the scheme to predict said entity type

so the only bug prone is prediction stuff, am i right ?

things that have to be predicted yea

i changed some friction in the gamecore.cpp and made a server with it, the server was unplayable with default client

yeah that would do it

20:02

client has no idea of this

20:03

when you press d to move right before you get a response from the server accounting for you moving right, the game has to fill the gap on what's happening based on what it does know about the game

20:03

it knows that you're holding d to move and it knows the friction of the default physics so unless you're somehow able to change the prediction on the client to use the new friction then there'll be a discrepancy

20:03

it would probably manifest as tiny rubberbanding incidents

Ewan

it knows that you're holding d to move and it knows the friction of the default physics so unless you're somehow able to change the prediction on the client to use the new friction then there'll be a discrepancy

is there a way to scheme a prediction list for the client on server side ?

no

20:05

prediction is mostly hardcoded

20:06

ppl get around this by making custom clients like f-client (even tho it has the same physics, iirc it can predict the changes in entity behavior)

i want to implement jetpack boost for every kill the player gets in my block sv what is the best options ?

u can turn antiping off

Ewan

u can turn antiping off

i do that but wont work

yeah it's not a real solution

20:07

any physics change is gonna freak the client out

20:07

nothing u can do baout it except propose a more modular solution like the one i described

20:08

as i recall though you are new to cpp and coding in general so i would not try that

20:08

you'd also have to know a fair amount about network code

yeah, but i don't wanna make custom client anytime anyway

yea

it's sounds like scam or something justatest

justatest

yea i would not download a custom client to play on someone's server

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20:09

most ppl probably wouldnt

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if u play fng u can notice that the hammers are weird sometimes for this reason

20:10

the hammer velocity delta is exaggerated in fng and the client doesnt know

but there is a tune that you can change the strength of the jetpack, can i work around that to make it specific for individual players ?

also merry christmas germans

20:12

and merry christmas eve to the rest

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europeans*

i think uk is 25th as well tho

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but there is a tune that you can change the strength of the jetpack, can i work around that to make it specific for individual players ?

Unfortunately the Tune is global. https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7288

Mod Support (RFC): Allow per-character tuning (not bound to the pos...

In various games different characters has different velocity parameters depending on various conditions, such as the player class (e.g. Team Fortress) or active weapon (e.g. Counter-Strike). Some m...

so just like some europeans

20:12

is it spain as well?

for germans its still 24

yea

its 24 here too

no i mean

20:13

germans celebrate christmas on the 24th

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everyone else on the 25th

everyone does christmas eve

yea

20:13

idk

20:13

that's what jup told me

Kaffeine

Unfortunately the Tune is global. https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7288

if the per_character was the thing i wouldn't need to learn c++

xd

20:18

bump #7691 and #7696 ( @heinrich5991 ) (edited)

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7691 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7696

add rescue on kill tile by ewancg · Pull Request #7691 · ddnet/ddnet

Some people were tired of having to re-enter practice mode, teleport back to where they were, and situate their weapons/solo status when hitting a kill tile in practice mode. The game will now resc...

add x and y coords to /tp by ewancg · Pull Request #7696 · ddnet/dd...

Allows you to explicitly specify which coordinates to teleport to in the /tp and /teleport commands Syntax for the complete command is as follows /tp; teleport to the origin of your spectating pers...

sry for the ping i tried to @silent it but u have to do it at the start of ur msg

20:19

dont let me interrupt ur christmas

Ewan

everyone else on the 25th

no, french people do it on 24th too

cool

Ewan

bump #7691 and #7696 ( @heinrich5991 ) (edited)

What's with the hurry? Be patient, not everyone has time to respond 24/7.

I don’t expect him to respond right now

but if you have nothing to do, you can squash your commits.

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why bother

20:29

they all get squashed when they are merged

20:30

it’s one extra button

They don't.

do they not have squash merging on

Ewan

do they not have squash merging on

No, the merge queue doesn't do that

20:32

And I agree, the commits should be squashed when you are done

Archaic policy

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is it not on by default?

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https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/configuring-branches-and-merges-in-your-repository/configuring-pull-request-merges/configuring-commit-squashing-for-pull-requests

Squash isn't possible with merge queue right now I guess: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/14818

Feedback on "Squash and Merge" in Merge Queue (Beta) · community · ...

Super excited about Merge Queue!! Loving it already. Hoping this is an appropriate place for feedback on the feature. Our team uses the Squash and Merge flow, but we also rely on PR titles to becom...

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Not every merge should squash commits

this one should

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and that policy is not configuring it to be the default, it's allowing the behavior

It should not be ON or OFF by default, as some commits should not be squashed. The rule of "one PR -> one squashed commit" is a no-go

well it links to the pr in the commit name by default so it's not like it's hard to see the full revision history

20:36

commit becomes "pr name (#x)" (edited)

That's not the point. Tools like git blame and git bisect work with commits. Sometimes PRs have multiple commits to separate different independent changes.

ok so what you are saying is squashing commits is bad

20:39

but you want me to squash my commits

No, I fully agree with @Kaffeine

idk what he is trying to say

20:40

obviously it's situational

20:40

i never said every single pr should have its commits merged

Yeah, and in case of your PR it adds exactly one feature so it should be one commit

yes and there is exactly one github feature for that...

It's not?

20:41

There's no way to squash or do anything else except a normal merge with this button (edited)

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had to make a new repo and update my laptop access token for this

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it;s been allowed by default as long as i have used github

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i guess the repo is too old or it's been manually disallowed

As I says already, we are using the merge queue, which as of now does not support squashing

but it seems to be compatible with merge queue

20:47

the issue you linked is just ppl saying the name of the pr commit is wrong. and later saying it's been fixed

Ewan

Click to see attachment 🖼️

You are not using the merge queue in this screenshot?

i am not

20:48

it's a new feature

20:48

i havent used the merge ueue

The issue is about some GitHub beta so I assume that merge queue will get squash feature at some point but we don't opt-in to beta features

rip

20:50

anyway i sympathize with your inability to use this feature but many people use it and it's sort of standard to expect the merging maintainer to choose whether to squash or not with their own discretion

merge queue is newer than the squash thing

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but yeah it doesnt support it

Ewan

anyway i sympathize with your inability to use this feature but many people use it and it's sort of standard to expect the merging maintainer to choose whether to squash or not with their own discretion

I'm sorry but every dev here always squashed their commits when asked to do so. And I think you should follow that behavior too instead of just comparing to "many people". And I agree with @furo, your PRs aren't the only ones, there are many other PRs to look at so just be patient.

i squashed it

20:57

i just think it's funny that they can't

I don't get what's funny, we ask you to squash your commits yet you argue. What's the reason?

idk what u are arguing for

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i just think it's funny

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it is humorous to me

20:58

that he can't squash them without manually checking out the pr and squashing like a caveman

Let's relax. It's just a squash, no need to fight over it

i messed something up

Did you squash the entire project? kek

kek

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kek

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21:00

Time for git reflog I guess

yea

21:00

shhh

21:01

i guess it's time to google it

21:01

my git knowledge has failed me

Github shows you the commit before you force pushes, so you could reset to that

kek

21:02

u just had to git rebase -i <initial commit here>

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and fixup all but first

my problem was that i was using master as a reference for which commits not to squash but my master is old tclient

21:03

i didnt do upstream master

git rebase -i upstream/master (edited)

revase

21:03

do u want a vase?

21:03

cant hide it now!

Ewan

anyway i sympathize with your inability to use this feature but many people use it and it's sort of standard to expect the merging maintainer to choose whether to squash or not with their own discretion

it's sort of standard to expect the merging maintainer to choose whether to squash or not with their own discretion

Making good (e.g. atomic, self-descriptive, complete) commits is a sort of respecting the reviewers and all the other developers who 'll have to read and comprehend your changes. Do proper commits and then let the maintainer to decide if it still does worth it to squash them (typically it does not).

this does not align with my development style

git commit -m"ok"

yes

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that's what i do

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git commit -am fuck

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not uncommon

Ewan

this does not align with my development style

u sound american, i do this and my way is better

Ewan

this does not align with my development style

Sounds like "inability" to make proper commits.

i think its sensible to adapt to the project

21:06

xd

Kaffeine

Sounds like "inability" to make proper commits.

call it what you want

Ewan

this does not align with my development style

"my"

u can do ur nameless commits and before pushing the final pr

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edit and squash em

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the comment

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a feature is better in 1 commit alone most of the time anyway

sometimes i amend but i dont like force pushing

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so i'd have to refrain from pushing to revise my commit

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which defeats the point

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anyway it's rly funny seeing everyone so salty over the way i use git

force pushing should be norm in prs

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specialy for cleanup

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well its how i see it

makes sense

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i usually do not have to deal with this you see

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because

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the maintainer can squash

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sometimes i ask them to squash

justatest

Ewan

anyway it's rly funny seeing everyone so salty over the way i use git

We don't care how you use git, only when you contribute to the project you should follow the guidelines.

what guidelines asshole

@Ewan cmon

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xd

justatest

justatest

justatest

justatest

i read the page

21:14

i do things as they are meant to be done

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i dont see what guideline i am disobeying

What @Robyt3 just told you, instead of complaining and telling "just press the button they'll get squashed"

i already said i (tried to) squash it

And yeah go ahead and insult me, why not

ChillerDragon: All your Teeworlds mods are belong to us >:) (edited)

i do not appreciate your attitude much considering (a). i don't know who you are and (b). i'm doing my best to contribute to ddnet in an orderly and professional fashion and you continue to tell me things i already know and cherry pick parts of my phrasing you don't like

21:16

you are an asshole

guys if this in any way gets personal i would draw a line from both sides, come on its christmas time!

Im in on your side c: all my mods are open source. Including graphic svg files. Server settings. Map update discussions. And infrastructure scripts.

Replying to @Scrumplex ChillerDragon: All your TeeWorlds mods are belong to us >:)

chillerdragon

Im in on your side c: all my mods are open source. Including graphic svg files. Server settings. Map update discussions. And infrastructure scripts.

when's your tier 5 aimbot open source then?

Well

Scrumplex

ChillerDragon: All your Teeworlds mods are belong to us >:) (edited)

good

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all my mods too

21:18

teesmash for everyone

poggers2

I have chillerbot-zx which is chillerbot-ux plus some features that would potentially cause harm if abused in public hands

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So I keep it private

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But it’s not much. I am not sure if I get life banned if I further explain what I kept closed source xD

nah you wont get banned, they'll just drop bridge support

chillerdragbot

Yikes

BlaiZephyr | meloƞ

nah you wont get banned, they'll just drop bridge support

noob

pepeW

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It’s mostly automated movements. And I actively use it on servers where admins granted me permissions

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@Scrumplex: I just pinged you here like 2 days ago because I saw you on YouTube!!! Did you see that ping?

chillerdragon

@Scrumplex: I just pinged you here like 2 days ago because I saw you on YouTube!!! Did you see that ping?

uh nope :O

Maybe I failed to ping

I don't check IRC often

Bridge issues

famous scrump scrump! - also yes chiller you failed to ping

Hello

Ur on irc?

Wait

wot

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i tried to ping ur discord

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i did @Scrumplex

21:22

where were you chetting from just now?

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doesn't ping :o

dude own image hosting?

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cring

lol

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What if I told you that it was written in Rust? Does that make it better?

every time he sents a screenshot he flexes with it i swear

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you should see him livestream justatest

justatest

dw im trolling

21:23

mine is written in bash xd

@Scrumplex

21:23

@scrumplex

nope

how to type ur name

@Scrumplex

@Scrumplex

21:24

did it work?

I think the WebHook just doesn't allow pings

it does

yup those worked

so lowercase

21:24

oke

i used to host myi mages too

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but i lost the setup

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I don't see the difference between your first pings up there and the later ones

Embedded image

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casing maybe

because (at)scrumplex pings Scrumplex, but (at)Scrumplex pings nothing

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display name != UserName issues

btw my image hosting is just a scp and apache lmao scrumplex

why

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u use apache

apogche

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it works

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was first tool i encountered and i stuck with it since it never let me dow

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scrumplex: have you found my 2d old ping?

chillerdragon

https://youtu.be/FyS8ELbafN0?si=qKDdtkubgBebly2S

its this one @Scrumplex

found it

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that video is old :O

yea i somehow missed the drama

lol

<Scrumplex> a

u like?

Seems.. familiar ^^

<chiler> wot

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<chiler> its brand new design ideas by chiler

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<chiler> @Scrumplex u can also pin here xd

when ddnet drama so we become famous and get yt vids done about the drama

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they should document

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the 0.6 vs 0.7 dev wars

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the neverending account discussion

<chiler> @Scrumplex its basically fake discord frontend for irc xd

omg make it a full movie

"how devs cant change even the tiniest of physics in the game"

<Scrumplex> When are you gonna make this an actual client? Instead of a brdige

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<chiler> i like to use it at work because no auth or i mean i know the pw

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<chiler> come to #off-topic

"how devs are concerned about the potential backlash associated with accounts while overlooking the benefits they bring"

yea

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need accs

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i will squash the rest later

"the eternal rust holy church and the war in dev"

going to church to witness a divine reenactment of the nativity scene by rich church ppl

speaking of rust, anyone heard smth about voxel?

no he’s gone man

feelsbadman

i think it’s hard to tell

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cultural differences in sense of humor + barrier of a non-native English speaker + the implicit loss of tone in text

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made it seem like the rust preaching was just to piss him off

i dont think our english is at a low level where there is a barrier

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its more his personality

that too

im mostly joking but i sometimes take it too far, i guess taking it that far is where i find it funny xd

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that said, rust > c++

wish i had termux but i got an iphone

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that shit’d be squashed rn

Ewan

wish i had termux but i got an iphone

american

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if u got android in there ur a green tick

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racist system

perhaps

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ryo u wanna squash my commits for 5 tokens

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u have perms on ddnet repo right

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u should be able to checkout my branches and do it

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The world will end if my commits are not squashed rn

im not in the right state

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kek

21:44

u chose the worst night

goodbye cruel world

21:44

did u open ur presents yet

what presents

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i live alone

xd

feelsbadman

i gifted myself some furniture

you don’t Christmas with family?

i do, tomorrow,. but we dont rly do big gifts now we are grown up

oh yeah

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well then u celebrate tomorrow…

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u said u did today

actually when iwas young

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we do big gifts on 6 december

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not christmas day

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its more alocal thing

what for

its here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

The biblical Magi ( or ; singular: magus)—also known as the Three Wise Men, Three Kings, and the Three Magi—were distinguished foreigners in the Gospel of Matthew and Christian tradition. They are said to have visited Jesus after his birth, bearing gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. They are regular figures in traditional accounts of the na...

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this is more important here than christmas day for kids

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atleast for ppl who are catalan

neat

and on christmas day

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we beat a log with a face

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and it shits presents

nice

thats catalonia for u

rad

damn can i join, i have some leftover anger i want to get rid off

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti%C3%B3_de_Nadal

The Tió de Nadal (Catalan pronunciation: [tiˈo ðə nəˈðal]; meaning in English "Christmas Log"), also known simply as tió (Log), soca or tronc(a) (trunk), is a character in Catalan mythology relating to a Christmas tradition widespread in Catalonia, Majorca (known as Nadaler), Occitania (Southern France) and Andorra. In Aragon it is also called, ...

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XD

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its rly smth else

that’s awesome

yeah

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not americanized

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own culture

i want to do it without appropriating it

lol just do it

this

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i will make it coca cola certified americanized santa claus log

it makes kids more involved

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as in

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the kids give food to the log

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at night

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then (parents eat it when they sleep lol)

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but it looks like u feeding it

yea

so it gives u presents

we do that for santa

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but he gives us the presents anyway

u should get coal

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ur a cpp devg

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rude

21:49

you can get a big old bag of iron oxide

the memory safety santa is mad

since u love rust so much

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make some thermite

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destroy your home

lmao

then write a book about it called highly effective rust

I’m not religious but i appreciate what the church does ( in the usa )

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the good ones are more of a social zone and a charity than a temple

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mega churches and everyone involved with them can burn in hell tho

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but they seem mostly harmless

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just stupid

u guys cant be serious

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voxel was actually offended by ppl talking about rust?

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i did not see that happen

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why would he even care xd i dont belive that

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its not like while praising rust someone was shitting on something voxel was emtionally attached to

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the only thing we bullied him with is that he will be replaced by AI

Atleast that's when he quit. Ryozuki said sth about rust and voxel wasnt having any more of it

woah

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as in he left the discord?

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or what even happend

He left life (rip)

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Rust proves to actually be quite unsafe afterall

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too dark

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suicide jokes on christmas xd

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i hope it is a joke i honestly dk wat happend to voxel

ChillerDragon

voxel was actually offended by ppl talking about rust?

he left after my message: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1186754133215154227

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sends discord link ..

skill issue

anyways its hard to rq this channel without ryo currently talking bout rust

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he always does that

do you have any idea how boring dev chat would be without?

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oh lawd

justatest

@ChillerDragon

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where is the leave message

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but thanks for the img

22:38

oh leave messages are in other channel right?

22:38

discord is so weird

-nah i was tempted to leave for a month now

seemed like this discord server was not good for his mental health anyways

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