DDraceNetwork

Why have my saves disappeared? My playback shows that the archive has not been used, and the archive file also shows the password, but the load error prompts that there is no such archive.

Today they released a new update, and I don't know why the game started to go very badly, I'm going at 10 maximum stable fps, does anyone know how to fix it?

! xlays_

Today they released a new update, and I don't know why the game started to go very badly, I'm going at 10 maximum stable fps, does anyone know how to fix it?

can you check which version you're currently using? can you also re-check with the older version that everything was still fine?

How do I play the previous version to test?

where did you download ddnet? from steam?

Although I am also sure that it is because of the update, yesterday I played and everything was fine, and today when I started the game I was very laggy

heinrich5991

where did you download ddnet? from steam?

yes

did you opt into any steam betas @! xlays_?

13:43

for ddnet

Well, the truth is I don't know anything about that, I guess not.

then there was no update since yesterday

13:45

maybe you did a windows or a driver update since yesterday?

As far as I know I haven't moved anything, in fact the last thing I did yesterday on the PC was play ddn, and today when I woke up I found this bug, I went to steam and found out that there was an update and that's why I think it's because of this

can you tell us your current version?

13:49

it should show when you press f1

Where do I see that, do I get into the game or can I do it from Steam?

get into the game

ah, wait a moment

14:02

I have that one currently @heinrich5991

ohh, so the update already rolled out

14:03

you can try an older release from https://ddnet.org/downloads/

14:03

to see if that fixes it

ahh okay, I'll try it, thank you very much bro C:

! xlays_

Today they released a new update, and I don't know why the game started to go very badly, I'm going at 10 maximum stable fps, does anyone know how to fix it?

@Jupstar ✪ might be related to your zooming change? @! xlays_ Can you try a different renderer in graphics settings?

the screenshot indicates he has a microsoft software renderer active

16:24

so i guess it's unrelated

! xlays_

ahh okay, I'll try it, thank you very much bro C:

whatever you did yesterday, you uninstalled your GPU drivers

16:26

and not only that, windows has no default ones? wtf xd

16:26

is that even possible

if u using win7, please update to win10. win7 is out of life

deen

For the crash, check if there is something in dumps directory, if so, upload it for us to look at. Otherwise if you have an Intel GPU https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/GFX_Troubleshooting#The_client_randomly_crashes_with_an_Intel_GPU For Steam being stuck, that sounds like a Steam bug. https://softwarekeep.com/help-center/fix-steam-says-game-is-running

Thank you for the help, i'll look into the thread about steam errors. I don't remember the exact date of the crash, but it seems to be this one.

DDNet_crash_log_1328_2022-11-04_13-34-17.RTP

8.45 KB

18:16

And I'm using an AMD GPU

Nalrahc

Thank you for the help, i'll look into the thread about steam errors. I don't remember the exact date of the crash, but it seems to be this one.

That crash log is more than year old. Please launch client version 17.4 and send an current crash log produced by that version.

Oh yeah my bad. Can't find recent crash logs

If the current version of the client is still crashing then you should get new crash logs

18:27

Maybe you have both a Teeworlds and DDNet config directory

18:27

In that case the DDNet one will be used

Ok it seems my computer has a DDNet exe still running, but I don't know where and I can't kill it

18:34

Yeah but I nuked my ddnet folder

what is that OS? windows vista?

No Win 10

18:35

Just the task manager being visually outdated

what AMD card exactly are you using?

18:36

can u start the client and press F1 directly after launch? there should be purple text

18:36

copy paste it here

Am using an AMD RADEON RX 5700 XT

is your driver up to date?

Nalrahc

Just the task manager being visually outdated

is it latest win10?

Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045 Don't know

the best is you try to update everything first then if it still doesn't help: do u have an anti virus running maybe?

Nope no antiviruses

18:44

This directory seems unkillable damn

ever started steam or ddnet as admin?

Usually no, I tried just now but no difference, my zombie DDNet process is still living

What happens what you try to kill it with task manager?

Telling me there is no instance of it running

Did you launch this PowerShell as admin?

Am doubting now, let me do it again in admin

18:52

yep same

Is DDNet-Server still running?

Hm, maybe stuck in uninterruptible sleep waiting on sth?

18:55

But then taskkill shouldn't say it doesnt exist

DDNet-Server is not running anywhere it seems

And rebooting? (edited)

Yep I did it quite some times

ProcessExplorer might give you some insight into it if you are curious

How would the process survive rebooting pepeW

Wait. It survives a restart?

Try to create a new Windows user and see if it also starts there

This thing is unkillable right, survive everything

18:57

Funny idea, iI try

Maybe you have some sort of soft poweroff enabled though idk how that applies to a reboot.

18:57

Can you shutdown holding shift?

Ok first of all the shift holding shutdonw

Apparently there is a cortana feature that resumes processes on boot like on macOS. I'd also try disabling that

18:58

Called "Pick up where I left off"

There are various odd reports of programs refusing to be killed on Windows on superuser

So I did reboot and it's still there, under the same PID. Quite fishy

Try to look for that "Pick up where I left off" Cortana option

19:01

https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/enable-disable-cortana-pick-up-where-i-left-off-windows-10/

19:02

If you are using the feature there should be a notification or something though

I would also try ProcessExplorer maybe you can investigate more

I did try with another user, and it's still detect the DDNet process running there

Hm, try with ProcessExplorer if it tells you more, like which user launched the process

19:05

Try netstat -o -n -a | find "7552" to see if the process still has any connections open

I have a plethora of weird things you can try if you have the time

Like using psexec to get a SYSTEM powershell and trying to kill from there

Robyt3

Hm, try with ProcessExplorer if it tells you more, like which user launched the process

It can also tell if it holds any handles

Most things I read don't explain why the process is still there after rebooting

19:08

The cortana feature would make sense

Yeah, I see no way it surviving a full reboot with the same PID

So yeah, ProcessExplorer tell me it's an orphan, regularly launched by me

Another idea: wmic process where name="DDNet.exe" call terminate (as admin)

Nalrahc

So yeah, ProcessExplorer tell me it's an orphan, regularly launched by me

is it holding any handles?

I don't know the tool but it seems it's all alone, no doing anything

In the bottom half of the window it should show all the handles the process holds when you click on it

Robyt3

Another idea: wmic process where name="DDNet.exe" call terminate (as admin)

Nice try, I got a blank error and another line saying it's invalid

19:12

Nothing on this

Like I see no account of something like this ever, a process surviving a full reboot

Nalrahc

Nothing on this

on the bottom half there is nothing either?

You could run services.msc and check if you somehow installed DDNet as a service

Learath2

on the bottom half there is nothing either?

Nope

there was this tool that lists most of the autostart stuff

19:13

I forgot its name

Autoruns

Robyt3

You could run services.msc and check if you somehow installed DDNet as a service

it's be running under svchost in that case

by microsoft, preinstalled

Robyt3

You could run services.msc and check if you somehow installed DDNet as a service

Yeah, I did try some msconfig to see if it's there but nope

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autoruns

Get psexec, start a SYSTEM powershell, see if that can kill it

Even he can't kill him

That's process explorer, the best it can do is kill as admin

Parent process is non-existent it seems

Shouldn't really prevent kiling of the child though, it's just orphan

Am looking into psexec

You just start an admin cmd, then do PsExec64.exe -s -i powershell.exe

19:17

If that new powershell can't kill it either then it's cursed and you should burn the computer down

install gentoo you mean

Well, guess I'm burning this shit down then

19:19

I hate windows with a passion growing bigger every day, don't worry

You could boot in safe mode and then delete the file

19:19

Maybe

I bet he can delete the file right now too

So Windows would keep the process in memory after rebooting without the executable file?

You can also do the sticky keys trick to get a cmd before login and see if it exists before login too

Learath2

You can also do the sticky keys trick to get a cmd before login and see if it exists before login too

It's not so easy anymore, Windows Defender detects this trick, so you have to boot without Defender active

Meh sadge

Learath2

I bet he can delete the file right now too

I swear I tried a lot of things

Nalrahc

I swear I tried a lot of things

You can't delete DDNet.exe either?

I could

19:21

Now I have an empty directory

19:21

Unkillable

What happens if you reboot then?

Yeah but the process still exists. It has nothing to do with the actual file anymore

19:21

Actually, can you get a dump?

19:21

Using process explorer

Does the process come back when rebooting even without the file?

I'm curious what the process image even is

Robyt3

Does the process come back when rebooting even without the file?

Yep the process is still there after reboot

This is really cursed, can you check if you have that weird Cortana feature?

hummmm

19:23

What is funny is that while everything CPU allocated is 0%, it seems to eat some GPU

19:24

Ok so it's from 08/11

Learath2

Actually, can you get a dump?

Where can I do that ?

Right click the process in process explorer

19:24

Then get a full dump

First result when searching for the process state https://dennisbabkin.com/blog/?t=pwning-windows-kernel-unkillable-user-mode-process-part2

Pwning Windows Kernel - Unkillable User-Mode Process - Part 2

Pwning Windows Kernel - Unkillable User-Mode Process - Part 2 - Technical details of the Windows 10 kernel bug - Cascade of deadlocks.

https://dennisbabkin.com/blog/?t=pwning-windows-kernel-unkillable-user-mode-process-part2

Pwning Windows Kernel - Unkillable User-Mode Process - Part 2

Pwning Windows Kernel - Unkillable User-Mode Process - Part 2 - Technical details of the Windows 10 kernel bug - Cascade of deadlocks.

yes

HEH

what have we done, triggering a kernel deadlock pepeW

19:28

The blogs says hard reset can kill the process though, so either it's really hard to perform a hard reset or this process is even harder to kill

Though I don't see a mention of his surviving reboots

Learath2

Then get a full dump

Wow it's a massive 1GO file

Actually, it says it deadlocks the restart screen in part 1

Nalrahc

Wow it's a massive 1GO file

HUH, so it actually is there, with the file deleted how is windows even loading this stuff into memory?

19:32

You can try a Shutdown /r /p that should do a full shutdown and reboot. Just incase the shift one didnt work for some reason.

19:33

There is no more ideas I can offer barring shipping your computer to me so I can attach a debugger and poke around

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If it's not that Cortana feature than I'm also out of ideas

This Cortana thing doesn't seems to be there yeah

Maybe you can read the threads and their stacktraces with process explorer

It'll try the shutdown /r /p praying

19:35

You might need an exorcist

Maybe you need Process Hacker

19:36

M1

LOL

19:38

Thats one way to kill a process

Seems like they removed the terminator feature from the tool though

19:39

It bluescreened my computer. The process went away after the reboot. Good job... -.-'

19:39

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49988/really-killing-a-process-in-windows

Really killing a process in Windows

Occasionally a program on a Windows machine goes crazy and just hangs. So I'll call up the task manager and hit the "End Process" button for it. However, this doesn't always work; if I try it eno...

Okay folks, I did shutdown /s into physical off button on the computer into physical switch to kill electricity. The fucker is GONE

19:41

Turns out my reboots weren't reals

Ok so you were doing some soft reboot somehow stupid windows shit

I hate it

19:42

Because I did some classic reboot, some hardware 5sec reboot

@Jupstar ✪ ^ Even reboots aren't real anymore pepeW

Though a process surviving reboot in a kernel deadlock is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, even soft reboots

reinstall windows

19:43

is the next thing

19:43

buy a SSD for 10€ and install fresh windows there

Yaaay my steam DDnet is okay now

Jupstar ✪

reinstall windows

uninstall*

Seriously windows is autodestroying himself patch after patch is annoying

what was the tl;dr fix?

Thank you all for your help (edited)

u can try installing linux

Jupstar ✪

what was the tl;dr fix?

getting it to do an actual reboot

Jupstar ✪

what was the tl;dr fix?

Doing a real reboot, power off and all

so the restart button does not work anymore?=

That leaves the question how you entered the kernel deadlock to begin with. I guess faulty driver...

gerdoe

install gentoo you mean

someone with sense said it before but i was late

Jupstar ✪

so the restart button does not work anymore?=

No, Windows reboot button doesn't work anymore

the reboot button should do a reboot

Ryozuki

u can try installing linux

I did live with linux for some years, but is has it's issues too

the shutdown button doesn't do a shutdown

Robyt3

That leaves the question how you entered the kernel deadlock to begin with. I guess faulty driver...

with windows its hard to know because its closed source, with linux you could have some hope to understand it

Robyt3

No, Windows reboot button doesn't work anymore

and what did u do to trigger a real reboot? someone else also has weird problem

19:45

i can suggest him that xd

Nalrahc

I did live with linux for some years, but is has it's issues too

if u play ddnet mostly it has no issues

heinrich5991

the reboot button should do a reboot

Unless I missed sth, he tried and it somehow didn't idk

Jupstar ✪

and what did u do to trigger a real reboot? someone else also has weird problem

shutdown /r /p

19:45

That should cause your PC to deadlock on the restarting screen

19:45

At which point you should pull the plug monkaS

Learath2

Unless I missed sth, he tried and it somehow didn't idk

probably rebooted by clicking "shut down"

Or maybe it survived again and somehow the deadlock unlocked itself?

Jupstar ✪

and what did u do to trigger a real reboot? someone else also has weird problem

1-Shutdown /s /t 5 2-physical off button on the computer 3-unplug computer

Learath2

Unless I missed sth, he tried and it somehow didn't idk

Yeah I tried and it didn't

Ryozuki

if u play ddnet mostly it has no issues

DDNet is a good portion of my play time, but not the only one sadly

what are the other uses

I think this easily takes the trophy on the weirdest computer issue I've ever heard

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i play all my windows games on linux xd

Nalrahc

DDNet is a good portion of my play time, but not the only one sadly

Most games work well nowadays, so unless you are a league, valorant, EFT, genshin or honkai enjoyer you'll be fine on linux

unless you are a "insert game with ring-0 kernel level anticheat (spy virus)" player you will be fine on linux*

19:48

thats the correct sentence sir

Ryozuki

unless you are a "insert game with ring-0 kernel level anticheat (spy virus)" player you will be fine on linux*

EFT doesn't have chinese kernel anticheat though

Yeah that's the thing, I'm playing some of these games on occasions. It's overall easier to stick with shitdows than to tinker a linux I feel

atleast on linux reboots are real

true

and you can sudo pkill/umount/dd away annoying things if needed kek

he knows

u dont get the annoying things unless u opt in to having them*

Ryozuki

u dont get the annoying things unless u opt in to having them*

uh uninterruptible sleep exists on linux too

unless uh u use ubuntu or smth

no amount of pkill will kill those either

i meant u opt in to having software u dont notice

ah

kinda

19:51

its rly nice my fresh gentoo install i can see all processes in top without scrolling xd

me2, I know every single process that runs on my computer rn because I put every single one there myself

i have 0 plans wtf all my programs are doin

19:55

but it's defs less than on windows xd

cant access ger10.ddnet.org atm? w3m: Can't load ger10.ddnet.org.

works for me

19:57

u could try a normal browser

couldnt resolve hostname, so i tried w3m

19:58

ima try again in like 2 minutes ig

Nalrahc

Okay folks, I did shutdown /s into physical off button on the computer into physical switch to kill electricity. The fucker is GONE

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19:58

ddnet everytime you launch your pc

meloƞ

ima try again in like 2 minutes ig

in ff you could also try to enable dns over https

19:59

if it's an dns issue

Jupstar ✪

in ff you could also try to enable dns over https

hm that worked - weird. thanks tho

Bro i got much lag after This atualization

shutdown /r /p

影

Bro i got much lag after This atualization

^ + what kind of lag do you even mean? internet lags?

No on the game

影

No on the game

how exactly would you describe the laggs? like is it dropping FPS or what?

yesterday I had 200 fps today I have 6 less

lmao

20:37

did you cap FPS?

20:37

or is your computer really old

My computer is old but until yesterday it was running at 200 fps

and now it runs at 194 fps? xd

No Its running at 6 fps

mh interesting

20:38

u the second person that has this apparently can you start the client -> press F1 -> see purple text

Can i send you a picture?

yes

20:40

or copy paste the text

20:40

whatever you prefer

Ok ok

this one basically

Bruh

20:40

20:41

I send my fps

20:41

Where I see this purple thing it doesn't seem to me

close client start client client -> press F1 -> see purple text

Only a red thing appears on the map

if it's not there press Page Up

mh yeah

20:44

https://ddnet.org/downloads/DDNet-17.3-win64.zip this is the previous ddnet version

20:44

can u load it and see if that works

Ok

20:46

yoooo TYSM

20:47

it's working

but why the fuck does it work

20:47

it makes no sense to me

20:47

in windows there is no way to select the OpenGL GPU

20:47

it's up to windows

20:48

@deen did u update any libs/compiler whatever?

@Jupstar ✪ Hi moderators and admins, I'm having problems running the DDraceNetwork game, since and yesterday. My game is running at 10 fps, as if the video driver was not recognized, can you help me?

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@Jupstar ✪ Hi moderators and admins, I'm having problems running the DDraceNetwork game, since and yesterday. My game is running at 10 fps, as if the video driver was not recognized, can you help me?

i dunno what caused this. use https://ddnet.org/downloads/DDNet-17.3-win64.zip for now

Jupstar ✪

@deen did u update any libs/compiler whatever?

Libs no, compiler I use whatever archlinux throws at me (edited)

22:03

So these: https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=mingw&maintainer=&flagged=

22:03

"Last Updated: 2023-05-19"

22:04

Wait, we had a change about older Windows versions

22:05

Could it be related to this? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7263 cc @Robyt3

Add flags for compatibility with Windows 8 - 11 by Robyt3 · Pull Re...

We previously only defined compatibility with Windows Vista and 7. Now we define compatibility with Windows Vista - 11, which is what we currently support. This means that Windows 8 - 11 will no lo...

mhh

22:05

good point

22:05

quite possible

22:06

besides that, @Robyt3 can u make sure the null texture does not do

 
        const int TextureLoadFlags = Uses2DTextureArrays() ? IGraphics::TEXLOAD_TO_2D_ARRAY_TEXTURE : IGraphics::TEXLOAD_TO_3D_TEXTURE;

from a very quick look it seems gl 1.x would also try to create these textures.. i doubt this magically changes the driver, but still throws an error probs

deen

Could it be related to this? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7263 cc @Robyt3

could you maybe release a point patch with reverting this by chance? or just compile a version so i can share it to these ppl here

Yeah, let me try

@] @影 Can you check if https://ddnet.org/ddnet-7508.zip works fine?

23:02

or anyone else who had the low fps in DDNet 17.4