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the question of the day, how bad it is that it shows different versions justatest

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What is the best way to get into vim? vimtutor and then just write code?

MilkeeyCat

the question of the day, how bad it is that it shows different versions justatest

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its not bad bro

its not?

when u get a new kernel update you have to eselect it and compile it

7:58AM

eselect kernel set 3

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and then u compile it like u did

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eselect kernel set X makes a symlink to the source at /usr/src/linux

whats the difference between just linux-version-gentoo and linux-version-gentoo-dist

idk u must have pulled 2 types of sources

7:59AM

i think dist is a preconfigured kernel but idk

7:59AM

do u know how to update ur kernel?

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sudo eselect kernel set 2 # here its 2 cuz its the same type but newer

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u go to /usr/src/linux

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then its important the first step is

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sudo make oldconfig

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and it ports ur old config to the new version

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asking for new stuff

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on minors thee is probs nothing to ask

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anyway read this

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https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Upgrade

Upgrade

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its important u read it

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if u want to keep booting

but doesnt it use 6.1.57 already? thonk

ohh

Ryozuki

if u want to keep booting

it would be nice justatest

i didnt read the other commands

8:01AM

ah

8:01AM

ur using a distribution kernel

8:01AM

u are not configuring ur own

it works

thats why the new is installed

thats the most important part

yeah well but ur not a full higher gentoo being then

i ran emerge --sync yestartday

true gentoo users configure their kernel

8:02AM

anyway eselect the new kernel sources

@MilkeeyCat btw: intel_gpu_top

some packages need to use the sources

that's a package u need

eselect kernel set 4

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and then run

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emerge --depclean

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altho i think it doesnt remove kernel sources

Ryozuki

eselect kernel set 4

and it will change /usr/src/linux link?

yes

ok

eselect onlydoes that

thanks

u can also eselect the python version u want to use in cli

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if you have more than 1

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eselect python list

Jupstar ✪

@MilkeeyCat btw: intel_gpu_top

@MilkeeyCat when u done with what you currently doing. start ddnet (go onto that one map), put intel_gpu_top in a window next to it and send screenshot

Jupstar ✪

@MilkeeyCat when u done with what you currently doing. start ddnet (go onto that one map), put intel_gpu_top in a window next to it and send screenshot

(which one map?)

MilkeeyCat

the question of the day, how bad it is that it shows different versions justatest

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i couldnt install drivers yesterday because of this xd

MilkeeyCat

(which one map?)

well actually doesnt matter, but we used pp2

8:10AM

so lets just use that again xd

ok

8:16AM

@Jupstar ✪

nice how did u get so much more fps

resized window xd

oh ok

8:17AM

well one thing is clear

the GPU load itself is 50% only

8:17AM

blitter sounds like something from i3

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at least ddnet does no blitting

8:18AM

is that better justatest

mhh

8:18AM

but

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elogind-daemon

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what ever that is

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uses most of the rendering time

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DDNet only like 25%

will something happen if i just kill -9 dat thing justatest

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elogind is the systemd project's logind, extracted to a standalone package. It's designed for users who prefer a non-systemd init system, but still want to use popular software such as KDE or GNOME that otherwise hard-depends on systemd.

8:19AM

we just got trolled hard

MilkeeyCat

will something happen if i just kill -9 dat thing justatest

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i think it will crash your desktop

8:19AM

potentially

jupstar hop on usa

sounds not that bad justatest

Ewan

jupstar hop on usa

why i dont get it xd

26 teles instead of 36

ah

and that's the only instance of 26 in the map

8:20AM

and there are 26 cps like 2parts back

8:21AM

so it's intentional

8:21AM

lmfao

report in #mapping

nobody's gonna fix dick map

usa usa usa

8:21AM

broso got it already lol

@Learath2 i bet u know libelogind why does it suck so hard?

8:21AM

is the real systemd better after all

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that bich is really taking all most of resources :madge:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Elogind

Elogind

8:22AM

elogind is the systemd project's logind, extracted to a standalone package. It's designed for users who prefer a non-systemd init system, but still want to use popular software such as KDE or GNOME that otherwise hard-depends on systemd.

8:22AM

its elogind from systemd but standalone

yeah but wtf is it doing for @MilkeeyCat

8:23AM

why does it use 60% GPU time

its mining bitcoin

lol idk

100% blitting time

idk wat that means but thats bad :cluess:

8:23AM

right? xd

well it wastes lot of time doing simple tasks

8:24AM

it needs more time to do whatever it does, than ddnet to render a game xD

8:24AM

i'd have thought in fullscreen it shouldn't matter

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anyway

8:24AM

if u fix that, u have 1000 fps

8:25AM

just use KDE on good distro xd

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then u have no problems like these

the funny thing is

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if i unfocus game elogind takes less resources

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he probs got something wrong

MilkeeyCat

if i unfocus game elogind takes less resources

mhh weird behavior xd

8:26AM

but that package is 100% broken lmao

Are there any major differences with the different render engines?

real pros have systemd-logind

8:27AM

xddd

catseyenebulous

Are there any major differences with the different render engines?

in ddnet?

1 - unfocused, 2 - me gaming

MilkeeyCat

1 - unfocused, 2 - me gaming

wtf xD makes 0 sense to me

8:27AM

u could create an issue on their github

Jupstar ✪

in ddnet?

Yeah

hey guys, my game about circles with hooks cant fukcing run coz ur elogind takes most of resources

just politely say that your android phone has 1000 fps

8:28AM

and u wonder why and saw this usage

MilkeeyCat

hey guys, my game about circles with hooks cant fukcing run coz ur elogind takes most of resources

Are you playing in 8k?

8:29AM

With realistic physics?

and with rtx

catseyenebulous

Yeah

between vk and ogl 3.3 the only difference is performance between ogl 3.3&vk vs. OGL <= 3.0 the difference is, that latter render incorrectly

8:30AM

ogl 3.0 is okish, but ogl 1.x is completely wrong

8:30AM

it's missing features to cleanly render tile maps

Jupstar ✪

between vk and ogl 3.3 the only difference is performance between ogl 3.3&vk vs. OGL <= 3.0 the difference is, that latter render incorrectly

So default is the best? Would make sense. :D

catseyenebulous

So default is the best? Would make sense. :D

yeah i'd suggest to keep default if it makes no problems ^^

Jupstar ✪

yeah i'd suggest to keep default if it makes no problems ^^

Thanks! I was curious since for me it's on ogl3.3 and I don't remember changing from default. xD

and when i make terminal fullscreen it shows this thonk

MilkeeyCat

and when i make terminal fullscreen it shows this thonk

how is the situation with opengl?

8:42AM

i dunno what exactly they are blitting xd

8:43AM

the surface texture, already(which would be closer to the driver) or some linux specific buffer that is the same for ogl and vk

so basically the same

before gray rectangle was on the bottom but now its on top kek

yep

8:47AM

vk has a different coordinate system

ok, soooo

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if i select new kernel

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xd

ill be able to install nvidia drivers

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i like vulkan's more

8:48AM

:p

top left is unintuitive but traditional for computer graphics

yeah, ogl is also what we learned in school^^

8:52AM

additionally with a z achses that looks towards u

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right hand rule

today fps doesnt seem to die pepeW

ez

oh, its opengl

:/

hell yeah

but it's also tripple the max fps

8:56AM

a graph alone doesn't tell the full story xd

waaaaait

MilkeeyCat

hell yeah

Looks like someone have miner virus kek

before i was trying to have as much fps as possibel

8:57AM

now i capped it to 110hz and it feels so smooth

i'm not surprised

but i am

as we already found out, the blitter is a huge bottleneck

8:58AM

if 2 frames come in and suddenly the frames need to wait for this dead ass slow blitter xD

ok, time for nvidia drivers i guess

can only get better

8:59AM

i call that you have nvidia optimus

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hm?

just install nvidia driver

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we talk about trash later

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how u got betrayed bcs of 50 cents

first pc has to boot after i change kernel justatest

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it rebooted poggers2

so does it also work xd

yea

9:38AM

now i need to nouveau drivers... somehow pepeW

why

9:51AM

i thought u want the real nvidia drivers

I forgot word "disable"

9:53AM

I need to disable them

ah xd

If i need to recompile kernel for this i would rather play with 10 fps pepeW

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why that

9:57AM

kernel compiles rather quick xd

The problem isnt to wait but to make it work

9:58AM

It it wont boot its joeover

u can have multiple kernels

10:50AM

and select them in grub

so if i fuck up one i can use different one thonk

yes

thats... good :D

Ryozuki

true gentoo users configure their kernel

im gonna do it owo

11:12AM

try to do it*

GUYS I ACCIDENTLY UNBIND CAPS AND CAN'T FIX IT BECAUSE MY CONSOLE DON'T RECOGNIZE CAPS COMMAND

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11:17AM

HELP

11:18AM

i remember how i changed keyboard layout to ukrainian about couldnt change it back lel

okay.. i configured as on nvidia drivers page. time to compile it ig justatest

Voxel

what happened

israel is carpet bombing them

2:55PM

search it up, its awful (edited)

Voxel

israel is carpet bombing them

mh i see

2:57PM

well they sadly have no choice i guess

2:57PM

bad for innocent ppl ofc

2:57PM

but hamas are everything but innocent

most of the victims are like, under 18

I really hate how hard it is for people to just live with each other..

Voxel

most of the victims are like, under 18

if innocent, then it 100% sucks

3:03PM

sadly the goal of hamas is to destroy israel.. so there won't be real negotiations there are only 4 options basically: 1. israel destroys hamas 2. palestina destroys hamas 3. both coperate to destroy hamas 4. hamas dissolves (not very likely except all leaders die)

Йоу

3:23PM

Кто научит пвп?

this is why religion should not exist.

アリヂン

this is why religion should not exist.

you should learn more about philosphy first

@gerdoe u are religious right?

nah

3:47PM

im not atheist and not religious either

ez

Jupstar ✪

ez

i installed new version of kernel

god was killed. gentoo is the new creature (edited)

i believe in super saiyan god

MilkeeyCat

i installed new version of kernel

so u have nvidia drivers finally?

Jupstar ✪

so u have nvidia drivers finally?

its installing

3:50PM

its showed as running

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it makes me excited

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:p

epic gamer moment

BUT

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ddnet doesnt seem to use it xD

3:57PM

it has selected gpu

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but its still 200fps

if u use vk

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go settings -> graphics

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select under "graphics cards"

press f1 and check if it's really not selected

4:00PM

purple text

its not over pepeW

4:01PM

fukcing hell

mh

4:01PM

try to not use "auto"

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but nvidia directly

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then restart

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check f1 again

Jupstar ✪

then restart

there's text for dummies in bottom left that u need to restart after changing card xd

i've learned to always say every step

4:02PM

bcs ppl forget to breath if you dont do it

yea. ive died already so many times justatest

4:03PM

180 fps

4:03PM

sheeeesh

nice, now to explain Nvidia optimus: "In most cases, the dedicated NVIDIA GPU in a computer that is using NVIDIA Optimus technology cannot directly send data to the display. The display is typically connected directly to the integrated GPU, and the dedicated NVIDIA GPU is connected to the integrated GPU through a high-speed interface, such as PCI Express. This allows the system to use the dedicated NVIDIA GPU for certain workloads, while still using the integrated GPU to handle the display output."

4:05PM

to sum it up: your intel GPU is still the problem xd

4:05PM

bcs nvidia can't directly draw to screen

yep

4:06PM

rest in peace

will something change if i remove intel from here thonk

if your laptop supports having nvidia directly, then u can change it in UEFI

4:07PM

but usually only gaming laptops have this

but hey, now this graph looks much better :D

4:09PM

thank you so much @Jupstar ✪ owo

4:10PM

theres even some gui for gpu

4:11PM

zamn

amazing

4:11PM

almost looks like 1998

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Jupstar ✪

almost looks like 1998

do you want it to be done with electron + tailwind?

MilkeeyCat

do you want it to be done with electron + tailwind?

yes pls, driver UI in electron

4:28PM

xd

4:29PM

"our driver is 600MB, 1MB driver, 599MB electron"

its so smooth now brownbear

@gerdoe already tried mesa vk drivers xdd

since the nuclear bomb electron it's the worst thing to happen to mankind. (edited)

that escalated quickly

gerdoe

you should learn more about philosphy first

are they connected? philosophy is sometimes even stranger than religion

да

4:47PM

прикольчик в том что большинство философов до века эдак 19-ого были верующими в той или иной степени

4:47PM

все все все

4:47PM

до того как маркс обхявил себя атеистом и там пошла волна говна

4:48PM

плюс средневековье же буквально религиозное время как в историческом контексте так и в философском

Как сказал величайший

6:28PM

Бтв, философия и религия, вообще, такие вещи, которые можно по разному трактовать

6:35PM

По сути - это же просто взгляды того или иного человека или группы людей (edited)

6:35PM

Какие-то внутренние правила, которых он придерживается

6:36PM

Кого можно назвать философом? Кого можно назвать верующим?

6:37PM

Нельзя сказать что само существование чего-либо из этого плохо

6:37PM

Оно всегда было и будет

6:37PM

Просто люди - ублюдки

6:38PM

В России религия чисто коммерция и норм)) (христианство) (edited)

Empathy > Religion

are those new brutal ddnet maps

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about chongqing

im not the greatest at handling spice as an asian

i dont mind spicy food myself, but trying to account for others

but i liked what they had their.

i heard of one chinese man who literally had to wash his food before eating

covering everything in oil does help with handling spices

9:52PM

ive never had any problem eating spicy food in chongqing

also you said something about "third tier city" what do you mean by that

not sure what they did there was different

9:52PM

bejing shanghai being first tier

9:53PM

some small cities being second tier

9:53PM

the mostly rurual and poor cities being the third tier

"small" as in 10 million people right

we are a poor country still, so there are a lot if them

any specific picks?

ive only been to yunnan honestly

also, s it actually a good idea to go such places for tourists

9:55PM

as in

9:55PM

do people speak english there

i think you'll need a guide no mater where you go

9:57PM

you still need to interact with a lot of locals if you want anything remotely authentic

hmm

9:57PM

makes sense

and also you can get kidnapped in the smaller cities for sure

lmao

without someone telling you where not to explore

9:57PM

9:58PM

but that goes to any foreign counties i think

not a thing in russia at all

my mom and i almost got lost in thailand (edited)

i just cant fathom the idea of someone getting kidnapped in russia

10:00PM

(on a statistically significant level that is)

i think poor countries usually have more of these problems

10:01PM

well its unlikely statistically and if you spaek the language

10:01PM

but it probably can happen

10:01PM

in thailand we wondered too far off the bus that was taking a oil break

TsFreddie

i think poor countries usually have more of these problems

China isnt poor, but i guess you mean per capita (edited)

and sometime you literally can not tell if people are trying to help you or take you somewhere if you cant understand them

10:02PM

China isn't poor, but i did told you to go to the poor parts of china i guess

10:02PM

for the culture

Barcelona best

i'm probably already at the top 10 percent of richness out of all chinese populations

its natural to only be able to grasp the culture in those smaller parts of the country

in terms if salary

how much do u make

10:05PM

a month

about the same as @Ryozuki iirc

how much is that in frogs per second

i make 2100€ net

thats pretty good

im at 2400euros including benefits and taxes

middle level dev?

im getting entry level salary

10:06PM

for dev

o

dev are paid way too high in china

im junior

10:07PM

kek

hard to compare among countries right

but im junior in a advanced field kinda

im not complaining tho (edited)

making compilers

im a junior that is doing project lead role

10:07PM

im probably under paid pepeW

f

i do earn a lot more than i thought i would ever earn

10:08PM

but i do also spend a lot more than i thought i would tho

hard to compare pay in different countries wthiout knowing how much everything actually costs

inflations probably

10:09PM

we eat cheap

i def earn more than everyday citizen, while also earning way less than people do on more sensible IT positions in Moscow

a meal is like 4 euros for delivery

10:10PM

if i cook then its probably less than 1

a meal for one person including delivery fees?

ye

sounds comparable

my rent is about 300 but thats quite low

10:12PM

cuz i didn't really cared what kind if place i got

i earn about 1.5k euro, but i am not in a dev position and the specific area i work in isn't that any lucrative

10:12PM

i could prob get 2k if i moved to a different company given my wider experience

10:12PM

2k+

most of my friends earns about 600 to 1k euro for regular worker jobs

oh wait hold on

services are like 400 i think

in what city tier do u live?

guangdong

10:13PM

currently

and that is?

first tier big city

o

10:14PM

okay

10:14PM

do u reckon your salary would be bigger if you woked in beijing or shanghai

10:15PM

(i cant believe i wrote those correct on first try btw)

my cousin working back home in a second tier city earns about 350 for graphic designer job

wtf

government positions are usually at 450 range

yeah government is like thyat

TsFreddie

my cousin working back home in a second tier city earns about 350 for graphic designer job

they could get way more though, right?

10:16PM

in a different company

i think for private company usually people get fired

10:17PM

after like 5 years

10:18PM

lots of people want state company positions cuz they legally can not fire you unless you broke the law

o

state company position also have a fixed salary increase per year

interesting

10:19PM

is it that hard to find a job though?

i personnally find it hard

10:20PM

but i sucked at it too much i just gave up

o

i have a job currenly only because some guy tried to rip-off ddnet

10:21PM

and i happen to know a lot about it

wait what

10:21PM

lmao what

im from barcelona

not that the project is still alive, but thats how i got started

first tier euro pe

do tell

maybe i get a 40k job soon

i was a project lead since the first day i had a job

Ryozuki

maybe i get a 40k job soon

spain is poor, cope more

TsFreddie

i was a project lead since the first day i had a job

o

so after that job switching was much easier

10:22PM

but i dont think i could ever find a entry level job myself

yeah wait but what about this ddnet thing though

Uncle

spain is poor, cope more

is it xd

its dead

the companies i work for aint spanish

10:23PM

i earn more than avg spaniard already

i killed it, not on purpose

alao im a talented dev

but what about it

are you looking for jobs here ryo

Ryozuki

the companies i work for aint spanish

thats the point innit

its weird but it lands u better jobs truet me

10:23PM

idk if the company isnt Spanish (edited)

10:23PM

xd

10:24PM

actually if i earn a better tuan apain salary its even better

10:24PM

sry im a lil drunk

the company that is ripping off ddnet is still around tho

Ryozuki

sry im a lil drunk

i am 4 or smthn beers in, thats aight

i got 3 cocktails and 3 shots on

10:24PM

in

o

but they literally can not continue the project until they have enough money to hire someone like me kek

jagger

10:25PM

german wannabe

i was working for them for way less than the project was worth

jagermeister is pretty good ngl

btw develop ur dev skills outside ur job or ini

10:25PM

it makes a diff

TsFreddie

i was working for them for way less than the project was worth

what was it about tho

drone bees dev are boring tp talk to

10:26PM

they dont share the passion

it was literally mobile ddnet

10:26PM

with animal characters

furries

i cant see teeworlds played on mobile, not that i really thought bout it tho

i made telegun

10:27PM

10:27PM

of course the game was cut down on controls a lot. it was more of a social platform after we watered down the skill ceiling

its all because of having to aim with one controller twice

10:27PM

one time for landing a shot, the other for hooking

ddnet does not have shooting most of the time on novice maps

10:28PM

so the mobile game was hook and hammer only with some class based skills

oh yeah, fuck ddrace ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hammer only aims left and right so still no aiming required

o

you movn left you face left you hammer left

for mobile you would need waaaay smaller maps also right

that sort of thing

or some kind of a better saving progress system

i think we wanted to make it save points and teleport based

10:30PM

and the whole game is one ddnet map

but that fucks up multiplayer

10:30PM

or maybe if u do team 0

10:30PM

that might work ig

ye, but there were a match making backend and a summon player thing

10:31PM

no team 0

10:31PM

its a social thing

okay yeah

its more about helping your friends making progress than finishing a map

you know what

10:32PM

honestly what you are describing isnt that bad

and there was no map

its viable

@TsFreddie I don't even want to know how late/early it is at your place now, but did you intend to have breakfast before or after sleep? ^^

its 6 am mate

other than the hook and the freeze dummy dragging, nothing is ddnet really

10:33PM

at least that was the idea

Uncle

its viable

it reminds me of Walk Master tbh but in multiplayer. could be a lot of fun

the game wasn't finished

10:33PM

boss wants a lot of physical objects (edited)

o

which makes client side prediction and bandwidth optimization a nightmare

Mr.Gh0s7

it reminds me of Walk Master tbh but in multiplayer. could be a lot of fun

never heard of it

also we were only given 6 month to make it

TsFreddie

also we were only given 6 month to make it

lmao

we did made it to beta with the bare minimum tho

Uncle

never heard of it

pretty fun android game. I didn't really play that much of it myself but my general family memebers did

o

i think i still have some early dev footage

TsFreddie

which makes client side prediction and bandwidth optimization a nightmare

that sounds like that indeed

https://streamable.com/bt2u52

10:37PM

really early

10:38PM

but this is the extend we were going for for netcode

interesting

https://streamable.com/m1kfuq

10:39PM

i think this was later

10:40PM

ignore the music lol

10:41PM

the water thing isn't a feature tho, its just a test environment to make sure everything is moving so we can see the networking issues more easily

having water is cool though

i can actually still login to the company server

10:50PM

they are still using the IT stack that I setup on my own server that I built

10:50PM

they never paid me for the server

10:50PM

10:51PM

so technically anything they put on that server is probably legally my property (probably not how that worked

xD

lmaoo

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11:09PM

found a old build of the map editor

maybe i should get some breakfast

11:23PM

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