DDraceNetwork - developer

am i doing smth wrong ? justatest

where'd u get this

https://ddnet.org/downloads/

your distro needs multiarch support to run a 32 bit binary if the system is 64 bit

tried both linux download just in case but both make the same errors

get the x86_64

uh

wtf

so it also does this on 64 bit?

1:16AM

well what is ur host

i'm using weird oracle cloud linux machines (edited)

1:16AM

might be related

it could be arm

1:16AM

uname -a

Linux je-ten-supplie 5.15.0-1040-oracle #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 14 21:47:21 UTC 2023 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux

yeah it's arm

1:17AM

you'd have to build from source. given ddnet even supports arm yet, which idk about

aight sounds like a fun challenge

Ewan

your distro needs multiarch support to run a 32 bit binary if the system is 64 bit

didn't see ubuntu justatest

1:17AM

yea

1:17AM

good luck

it's kinda weird cause the server was working when i got it from apt tear

actually i remember now that ddnet uses a universal binary on mac so it should support arm

o i'll try it xd

Gwendal

it's kinda weird cause the server was working when i got it from apt tear

aarch64 build may be packaged for apt arm repos

1:22AM

just not on ddnet website

i'm stupid for not seeing it wtf

but u want to not use apt cuz it's older right

1:23AM

dmg file

why downloading mac build justatest

because it's written arm ?! justatest

i am so clueless idk what i am doing

Gwendal

i'm stupid for not seeing it wtf

The only option is to emulate an x86-64 environment

no it's not LOL

1:26AM

git clone https://github.com/DDNet/DDNet
git checkout 17.3
cmake -B build -S .
cmake --build build --parallel --config Release
./build/DDNet-Server

(edited)

1:26AM

that is how u build from source

1:26AM

required build tools are cmake and rust, and u will also need all compile time dependencies

1:27AM

oh yeah check it out https://github.com/DDNet/DDNet#dependencies-on-linux--macos

1:27AM

sudo apt install build-essential cargo cmake git glslang-tools google-mock libavcodec-extra libavdevice-dev libavfilter-dev libavformat-dev libavutil-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libglew-dev libnotify-dev libogg-dev libopus-dev libopusfile-dev libpng-dev libsdl2-dev libsqlite3-dev libssl-dev libvulkan-dev libwavpack-dev libx264-dev python rustc spirv-tools

yea i was trying to figure out which arguments i should put on cmake following this https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet#building-on-linux-and-macos

GitHub - ddnet/ddnet: DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer ...

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

1:27AM

yea saw it

1:27AM

thanks :))

np

Gwendal

yea i was trying to figure out which arguments i should put on cmake following this https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet#building-on-linux-and-macos

if you wanted to add compile opts u would do like this

git clone https://github.com/DDNet/DDNet
git checkout 17.3
cmake -B build -S . -DOPT1=true -DOPT2=true
cmake --build build --parallel --config Release
./build/DDNet-Server

(edited)

python moment

btw, because you're on ARM. You also need to pass these two options to cmake -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-fsigned-char" -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="-fsigned-char", if I remember correctly :)

nice ^^

i'm not sure i understand everything that is happening but it looks really cool

1:35AM

what is DOPT1 and DOPT2 btw ?

furo

btw, because you're on ARM. You also need to pass these two options to cmake -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-fsigned-char" -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="-fsigned-char", if I remember correctly :)

furo

btw, because you're on ARM. You also need to pass these two options to cmake -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-fsigned-char" -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="-fsigned-char", if I remember correctly :)

thanks, i put em owo

Gwendal

what is DOPT1 and DOPT2 btw ?

example

XDD im stupid omg

like all these

ahem...

1:37AM

yeye xd

1:37AM

i was trying to find these options in that list u just sent and was like "wtf this guy gave me" xddd

lol

1:37AM

if ur only running a server u can turn off a lot of stuff

1:38AM

will make build faster and maybe a smaller executable

1:38AM

but it doesn't rly matter

yea i thought about it, but realized i would take more time to understand what i can disable or not

yea

1:39AM

default is fine

it worked

congratulations

thanks, it's all you and @furo

1:42AM

indeed the server looks different from the 15.9 i was using 2 days ago xd

1:45AM

2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/6/ipv6: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/6/ipv4: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/7/ipv6: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/7/ipv4: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I http: https://master1.ddnet.org/ddnet/15/register failed. libcurl error (7):
2023-10-23 01:44:45 E register/6/ipv6: error response from master
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I http: https://master1.ddnet.org/ddnet/15/register failed. libcurl error (7):
2023-10-23 01:44:45 E register/7/ipv6: error response from master
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/7/ipv4: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:46 I register/6/ipv4: registering...

This is weird cause the server actually is registered ?

Gwendal

2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/6/ipv6: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/6/ipv4: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/7/ipv6: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/7/ipv4: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I http: https://master1.ddnet.org/ddnet/15/register failed. libcurl error (7):
2023-10-23 01:44:45 E register/6/ipv6: error response from master
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I http: https://master1.ddnet.org/ddnet/15/register failed. libcurl error (7):
2023-10-23 01:44:45 E register/7/ipv6: error response from master
2023-10-23 01:44:45 I register/7/ipv4: registering...
2023-10-23 01:44:46 I register/6/ipv4: registering...

This is weird cause the server actually is registered ?

It failed to register on IPv6, you can disable it with sv_register ipv4 if you want.

furo

It failed to register on IPv6, you can disable it with sv_register ipv4 if you want.

Thanks worked owo

@Jupstar ✪ thanks for the looking at the code owo

(edited)

morning

7:38AM

my mom used the last of my good coffee

7:39AM

well

7:39AM

she left some but it wasn’t even enough for a double shot

7:39AM

and we’re out of milk

7:39AM

oh my god.

hi

Ewan

and we’re out of milk

rest in peace

Have any of you heard of the "Visitor Pattern"?

8:20AM

I never knew it had a name

Hello i have tried repeatedly to add this “Auto Verify” feature to my client but to no avail It doesn't show any errors but it doesn't work feelsbadman

https://github.com/sjrc6/TaterClient-ddnet/blob/master/src/game/client/components/verify.cpp

8:37AM

I created the gconfig and added that to cmakelists.txt as well: components/verify.cpp components/verify.h The rest of the steps are in gameclient.h

well plz tell us the error (edited)

9:10AM

oh nvm

9:10AM

u said no errors

9:10AM

plz debug and make sure that the auto verify code is actually being run

9:10AM

if it's a component i have a hunch that you added the object definition in gameclient.h but never actually added it to the client's list of components as is also required in gameclient.cpp

9:11AM

u will see a long long list of m_SomeComponent

9:12AM

that's my caveman explanation i'd have to look at the code to be any more specific

Learath2

Have any of you heard of the "Visitor Pattern"?

serde is built upon that

9:12AM

https://docs.rs/serde/latest/serde/de/trait.Visitor.html

Visitor in serde::de - Rust

This trait represents a visitor that walks through a deserializer.

9:14AM

maybe ill invent a random data format and implement the serde traits

9:14AM

can be a good way to learn the ins of serde (edited)

yea

@Ewan so u want to be a mod

9:21AM

to mute my rust speech

9:21AM

that's exactly wy

i knew it

i hate rust with a blazing passion

9:24AM

i will mute all your rust speech so fast

Ewan

u will see a long long list of m_SomeComponent

bro u saved my life

9:30AM

thxx

please give me the textures of the copy love box

map extract is very easy to use

9:39AM

drag and drop

Ewan

map extract is very easy to use

I don't understand how to use it at all

1

and how to download the map

well i would say get it from heinrich's archive but i'm not finding it

9:45AM

i just happened to have it in my downloaded maps

9:45AM

which is at C:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming\DDNet\downloadedmaps on Windows

Okay, thanks, you're the only one who explained it clearly.

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Extra_tools

Extra tools

Extra tools are available for running some non-gaming-related tasks, like map optimization by mappers, or debugging and testing by developers. These tools must be run from command-line interface (e.g. Command Prompt on Windows or Terminal on Linux) either by adding their containing directory to the PATH variable or by running directly from the c...

How can I output the UUID of the system in the client?

don't remember the exact fn

10:05AM

wdym the system

10:05AM

CUuid &id; // idk where u want to get this from

char aBuf[UUID_MAXSTRSIZE];
FormatUuid(id, aBuf, sizeof(aBuf));

Uuid of the system?

10:07AM

That makes less than 0 sense

I want to make access to my client by UUID to block those who violate the usage rules

Learath2

Uuid of the system?

Just UUID, I misspoke a little bit (edited)

make and store a UUID in the settings. this will be purged on a settings change tho, so it will not work for persistent stuff like bans

People will just change the uuid

u can try and formulate some sort of unique identifier based on system info but it would not be worth it

How can I do adequate blocking then? For example, so that only reinstalling the OS will help

it will not be simple

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10:12AM

this is a problem ddnet has already and wants to solve

10:12AM

the most popular idea for a solution is an accounts system... and look where we are

10:13AM

the best/simplest you can do is probably implement some sort of simple auth using some web service + oauth or something, so people will have to use burner emails if they want to cheat

10:13AM

and emails are getting harder to make. especially in batches

10:13AM

so that would probably suffice for small-time rule-breakers

Thank you very much, I'll try to think of something

Ewan

the best/simplest you can do is probably implement some sort of simple auth using some web service + oauth or something, so people will have to use burner emails if they want to cheat

also this will need to be supported server-side if you want it to be immune to client mod bypasses

10:16AM

so it will not work on ddnet or kog or whatever servers unless they choose to implement your auth method. which is pretty far fetched

10:16AM

it's a hard problem to solve

What is the DDnet team doing at the moment? An account system? New official server tags?

but if you can auth with some server you host only for the sake of authenticating the client + the client is responsible for blocking abusers from joining servers based on the response from said server, it would still work well enough to deter small time offenders (edited)

10:17AM

but once someone patches this out it's over. they will just share the exe

Sedonya

What is the DDnet team doing at the moment? An account system? New official server tags?

nothing really

10:17AM

a lot of talk

Ewan

nothing really

everyone wants to do it their own way and nobody with the knowledge has made an implementation that people are onboard with

10:18AM

i'd do it but i know next to nothing about cryptography/security so there would probably be huge holes in the logic

10:18AM

also i have a hard time even finishing client mods

10:18AM

so

I'd love to do what I can, but my knowledge is still a bit lacking

yea man just keep doing ur thing

10:18AM

code and learn

10:18AM

then u will be a genius.

10:19AM

speaking of which i would quite like to have async skins and assets, but this baggage i've introduced in my pr is really not cool

10:19AM

i thought it was justified but it's basically as much work to just roll a new implementation with a custom job for each instance... like...

10:19AM

iif it had worked out like how i'd initially envisioned it, maybe not. but there are so many more parameters for init/precautions you have to take when using this mass file loader thing that i don't even think it's worth it

I have so many cool ideas for a client, and I've gotten even more from my client's small community <3

i love to hear that

10:20AM

as long as what you're doing is kosher i think it's awesome

Most importantly I would like to make support for custom skins on weapons, partials, etc. Same as skins, only more so

yeah i think voxel had a similar idea

10:22AM

would be cool

10:22AM

but you'd want the infrastructure for it

I'd also like to make support for sound sets, instead of people just replacing the default files (edited)

that would be cool. but personally i'd rather those features just be in ddnet itself you know xd

Everyone wants to do their own thing, but usually the DDnet team will just add your nickname to the news list

10:25AM

yea but at least u get to be purple xd feelsbadman

10:28AM

sedonya the problem is that now every new feature that ddnet comes out with, your users are gonna also want. that makes a lot of work for you

10:28AM

unless you structure your code very intelligently most big updates are goiing to be a lot of dealing with merge conflicts

10:29AM

i don't even have an official client and i already have this problem. a few ppl use my hacked together status bar thing + i have to backport ddnet features and make windows builds every so often

The info says to get dev you have to send a PR. But nowhere does it say that it must be useful. They didn't accept what I did to my mod - color, that counts too feelsbadman

10:30AM

My server is the most popular of the unofficial ones

is yours the fng server?

My main server is S-DDR, but I also have a godfng server as well

i see

10:32AM

s-ddr doesn't show up in my browser

10:32AM

is it block?

Ewan

is it block?

yes

cool

And since a good antichit is only given to official servers, we have them allowed. Thanks to what we have collected almost all DDnet bots, which makes the official servers cleaner owo

10:34AM

I'm strongly against cheats, but it's easier to allow them than to run through every application and only ban half of the noticeable cheaters

@Ewan have u still not contributed to ddnet?

nope

xd

ddnetters dont like the way i code

10:34AM

or think

10:34AM

my features are stupid

10:34AM

i could always pick up some mundane issue if i wanted to become purple i guess

10:35AM

ya fuck it let's become purple

well it wont be useful if ubecome blue

10:35AM

but pruple is cooler

10:35AM

i might become blue

its already set

i'm afraid there aren't enough USA players on here to vouch for me tho

its ok u will get it

Why do all roles have color and wiki contr are the only ones like suckers

Ryozuki

its ok u will get it

i hope so

10:36AM

most of usa is in tee cafe

10:36AM

or cool ddracers discord

Sedonya

Why do all roles have color and wiki contr are the only ones like suckers

wiki gives the icon

Ewan

most of usa is in tee cafe

what is that

a server

Ryozuki

wiki gives the icon

That explains everything

Ewan

a server

infclass?

no sry tee cafe is a discord server

a

10:37AM

okay

that i was in at one point, but left and now can't find an invite to

(edited)

send link

10:37AM

i wanna check

@Skeith hey u got tee cafe invite?

10:38AM

this is the only american mongrel online rn i bet

i got it

WTF

#welcome

sry for ping skeith

is it even active

i am not sure

10:38AM

usually i just have a hunch that ppl are there

10:38AM

a certain set of ppl playing in team but not using text chat

10:38AM

so i assume they're in voice. and if they're not in cool ddracers, i assume they're in tee cafe

ok i alreayd left got bored

W

10:39AM

consider it is 4:39 for me rn

10:39AM

nobody's gonna be up except for weirdos like me

10:39AM

and skeith

10:40AM

i'm trying to flip flop my sleep schedule rn. my espresso machine got me into this mess, it can get me out

10:40AM

when i first got it i drank 1 drink from it and the damage was already done. went to bed at 4 am and it's been this way for about a week

10:40AM

my caffeine sensitivity really went up when i stopped drinking it so regularly

10:43AM

i also promised my mom i'd go to the store and get some stuff but i lost track of time and the store closed. so now i'm just gonna go as soon as it opens

Buy coffee?

maybe

10:45AM

the coffee i get you can only buy online

10:45AM

at least in my area

10:45AM

i usually get the sugar shack blend. it's delicious https://vividcoffee.com/shop

10:45AM

also cheaper

??

yes

10:46AM

that

10:46AM

i am bored so i will stream

Pretty cheap, I guess

not really

10:47AM

it's just cheaper than the regional blends they have

Ewan

i am bored so i will stream

link ^^

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/252358833052188673

I thought Twitch or YouTube xd

hi devs, can someone with gpu knowledge assist me in my stupidity please? right so uhh, there is this thing called vertex buffer and the gpu draws triangles using it, i can also attach uniform buffer for camera/lighting/etc but can i update vertex buffer? like what if i want to draw arbitrary triangles each frame (lets say about mm <250-500 of them)? and if i can update vertex buffer how slow is that? or am i doing the wrong way??? please i can't find any answers to my dumb questions

generally if you want to update your vertices you have to rebuild your vertex buffer, and it's okay to do so. if you hit performance issues, then you may want to think about other approaches that minimize cpu->gpu memory transfer. how many vertices are we talking about?

11:42AM

so you said <500, that's not too much

not that much, i am thinking of developing a small 2d game for my phone

11:42AM

and uhh, i also went for implementing my own graphics

gl on that

its very challenging but can also be very rewarding

アリヂン

and uhh, i also went for implementing my own graphics

k2d222

generally if you want to update your vertices you have to rebuild your vertex buffer, and it's okay to do so. if you hit performance issues, then you may want to think about other approaches that minimize cpu->gpu memory transfer. how many vertices are we talking about?

thanks for answering heartw

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アリヂン

thanks for answering heartw

Did u check my game?!?!

which one

If it deserves to be called a game

@アリヂン u use rust right

1

with wgpu

i know ur using opengl but if u want to learn vulkan https://vulkano.rs/

About - Vulkano

MilkeeyCat

Yo, i recently made a ~~game~~. It was my first time using opengl and c++ pepeW

(i had to do it for uni). If you have nothing to do id be very happy if you could check the code and how fukcing bad it is, maybe i had to use x instead of y or smth. :D https://github.com/MilkeeyCat/diagonals (edited)

.

they got a lot of tutorial

アリヂン

not that much, i am thinking of developing a small 2d game for my phone

In integrated gpus u could in theory have another advantage that the memory does not require a copy

11:46AM

With opengl i always found rebuilding the whole buffer faster than updating it. So pre allocation not worth it

1

Ryozuki

i know ur using opengl but if u want to learn vulkan https://vulkano.rs/

i wanna make a game for my phone because google play is filled with powerconsuming garbage so i need a crossplatform compilation and wgpu says it can compile on pretty much any platform

MilkeeyCat

Did u check my game?!?!

is this the continuation of your opengl adventures?

MilkeeyCat

Yo, i recently made a ~~game~~. It was my first time using opengl and c++ pepeW

(i had to do it for uni). If you have nothing to do id be very happy if you could check the code and how fukcing bad it is, maybe i had to use x instead of y or smth. :D https://github.com/MilkeeyCat/diagonals (edited)

@アリヂン yea

11:48AM

Thats final result and i dont touch graphics

11:48AM

Ever

11:48AM

you know, implementing graphics from scratch is a hard milestone, so you should be proud that you were able to do it

11:49AM

lets see if it compiles on my machine

hmm

11:51AM

imgui

11:51AM

seems interesting

no imgui!

11:51AM

evil sinful library

11:51AM

wasteful

w

11:51AM

whay

11:51AM

its cool

11:51AM

and fast

11:52AM

and its rlly easy to define ui in code

Ewan

evil sinful library

I liked it feelsbadman

アリヂン

and its rlly easy to define ui in code

Btw press space, only then u can click on cells

@アリヂン u use rust

11:53AM

so use egui

11:53AM

https://github.com/emilk/egui

GitHub - emilk/egui: egui: an easy-to-use immediate mode GUI in Rus...

egui: an easy-to-use immediate mode GUI in Rust that runs on both web and native - GitHub - emilk/egui: egui: an easy-to-use immediate mode GUI in Rust that runs on both web and native

i know about egui

egui is rust imgui

yeah yeah

11:53AM

i used it

11:53AM

a lot

MilkeeyCat

I liked it feelsbadman

dear imgui is fine

11:54AM

for an imgui library

11:54AM

but it's not a good type of ui imo

wait

11:54AM

isnt egui and imgui the same thing?

Time to back to demo stuff pepeW

MilkeeyCat

Btw press space, only then u can click on cells

im still struggling to compile it

アリヂン

im still struggling to compile it

11:56AM

Works on my machine

is it for windows?

No

11:57AM

:p

11:57AM

Did u use --recursive?

ok that means the problem is me

11:58AM

it's not able to find glm for some reason..

k fixed it

12:00PM

cmakefiles is borked

A gg

-add_subdirectory(dependencies/glm)
+include_directories(dependencies/glm)

12:02PM

this fixed it for me

12:02PM

you might want to look into this issue

Maybe i was changing stuff between commits and fucked everything up

12:03PM

?xd

Its between 2 players

12:04PM

No one can take it

oh

12:04PM

hold uyp i thought this was a different game

XD

MilkeeyCat

Maybe i was changing stuff between commits and fucked everything up

add_subdirectory will add a cmake project in said dir include_directories will add all the headers in that directory to the global include paths (so you can use it with <example.h>)

12:11PM

typically you would want to do target_include_directories(project PRIVATE dir) in order to avoid polluting the global include paths

12:11PM

same for linking libraries but for different reasons

アリヂン

i wanna make a game for my phone because google play is filled with powerconsuming garbage so i need a crossplatform compilation and wgpu says it can compile on pretty much any platform

Will you also make it look nice? Xd

i will try my best <3

I'm something of an artist myself

oh if you're talking about the art then yes of course

アリヂン

i will try my best <3

I always find it hard to make it not look like trash but be very energy efficient. E.g. cool shaders will cost resources. Gifs etc. Are resolution and often framerate dependent so that kinda sucks too ^^

アリヂン

oh if you're talking about the art then yes of course

Are you an artist?

yea

not that much, i'm bad at any form of art, but if i take my time....

Jupstar ✪

I always find it hard to make it not look like trash but be very energy efficient. E.g. cool shaders will cost resources. Gifs etc. Are resolution and often framerate dependent so that kinda sucks too ^^

im probably gonna leave post proc. out because of that

12:15PM

post processing is not always better

12:15PM

sometimes you can create a picture that looks beautiful even without 1000x bloom

Ewan

add_subdirectory will add a cmake project in said dir include_directories will add all the headers in that directory to the global include paths (so you can use it with <example.h>)

I know that

12:16PM

congratulations

But somehow there was add_sybdirectories pepeW

idk how much c/cpp u know so i just want to help whenever i can

btw for anyone looking for phone games, i can recommend "slice & dice"

I know basically 0

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12:17PM

アリヂン

btw for anyone looking for phone games, i can recommend "slice & dice"

really good and really optimized

Patiga

I can't quite put my finger on it, but somethings seems off

is this the rare heinrich5991 joke

Learath2

Have any of you heard of the "Visitor Pattern"?

emulating pattern matching in languages that don't support it

heinrich5991

I can't quite put my finger on it, but somethings seems off

here ya go :) trivia: did you know, that... 1. the sunbeams on dm1 are colored with envelopes to make them less bright? 2. the sun is transparent and the beams are actually quite chaotic and leave a hole in the middle of the sun? its not as bad as here, but once you know, you'll see it every time

the sun is transparent and the beams are actually quite chaotic and leave a hole in the middle of the sun?

thank you for ruining dm1 for me

Patiga

here ya go :) trivia: did you know, that... 1. the sunbeams on dm1 are colored with envelopes to make them less bright? 2. the sun is transparent and the beams are actually quite chaotic and leave a hole in the middle of the sun? its not as bad as here, but once you know, you'll see it every time

What r u working on now? Porting ddnet to godot?

the original :) its more subtle than I remember

Jupstar ✪

What r u working on now? Porting ddnet to godot?

yea, was curious how long that would take

12:26PM

maybe its just procrastination for my bachelor thesis

And what is your current time

wdym with current time?

Time spent

my fourth day on it, maybe 4 h each day? I didn't actually track the time

And did u write custom shaders or only use godot one

its actually the third time I have now reimplemented drawing tw/ddnet maps xd: blender, twgpu, godot

12:29PM

I'll need to write a custom shader for quads + envelopes I think

So it does support tile maps?

Patiga

its actually the third time I have now reimplemented drawing tw/ddnet maps xd: blender, twgpu, godot

And every time different approach xd

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yes, but its very different, large maps take quite some time to process

12:30PM

not super long, but like 10 seconds I think, haven't tested much yet

Every method has advantages and disadvantages ^^

yea ^^

12:31PM

the whole map construction is done with rust bindings tho ^^

12:31PM

they work quite well

Hardest part might be to integrate the border extension

12:31PM

If u plan that

yeaaa :/

12:31PM

not sure yet how to do that

12:32PM

with Godot I could test the perf difference between raycasting tilemaps and doing them the 'native' godot way

12:32PM

but thats for another day I think

12:33PM

I was honestly hoping I would have mipmaps by now, but there are some confusing things along the way

12:33PM

I'm honestly not sure if I'll even get mipmaps for the tilemaps

12:33PM

would suck

Well Godot supports gles2 right?

yea

I assume they don't use texture arrays

they are atlasses I think

12:34PM

I checked the box for a 1 pixel separation between segments of the atlas

Ah

but that kinda makes me worried about the mipmaps, that always sounded a bit clunky

12:36PM

btw, is your Rust renderer public yet? if not, could I maybe get access to it? I'd like to take a look into its workings :)

I can later push the current state

12:36PM

Do u only want the front end?

I wanna see the rendering code

Like the vulkan stuff or just higher level stuff?

both would be nice :)

12:38PM

is it structured like the ddnet rendering code?

Ok. U can get both, but I'm still in a brainstorming phase for the vk backend, so it's not really final.. wont matter too much for tile rendering. But like everything around it xd

Jupstar ✪

Hardest part might be to integrate the border extension

(hmm, if I have sufficient trust in the renderer, I might just be able to just extend all borders by like 100 or 200 tiles and call it a day

)

Patiga

(hmm, if I have sufficient trust in the renderer, I might just be able to just extend all borders by like 100 or 200 tiles and call it a day

)

Sadly this will contain bugs tho

12:39PM

I'd really love to do that for ddnet

12:40PM

But e.g. aim maps use single tiles for backgrounds(by abusing the auto extend)

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Jupstar ✪

Ok. U can get both, but I'm still in a brainstorming phase for the vk backend, so it's not really final.. wont matter too much for tile rendering. But like everything around it xd

doesn't really matter that it's not final. because its just a rendering challenge which I've already poured some thoughts into and I think I'll learn some stuff from seeing how someone does it who knows what they are doing ^^

Jupstar ✪

But e.g. aim maps use single tiles for backgrounds(by abusing the auto extend)

the aim maps seem to all use a 2x2 tile background, must be some other map series

Yeah ok but 2x2 doesn't make it better

12:44PM

If they are 1000 tiles

12:44PM

Visible for over 1000 tiles*

they aren't extended at the borders though

Patiga

they aren't extended at the borders though

what? how that

maybe we just fade to black at the borders of a map :D

12:45PM

ah

12:45PM

keep in mind that extending is not related to game layer

12:45PM

the 2x2 will extend directly (after the 2x2 tiles ^^)

12:46PM

for the rest of the map

12:46PM

what i want to say is: you cannot ujst extend them by 200-300.. u need to extend them over the whole visible area

12:47PM

they don't use parallax afaik

Patiga

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I'm not in entities here, those are the 2x2 tiles, the layers have an empty border

12:47PM

but yea

12:47PM

the issue will be there on maps that use that specific nieche

12:48PM

eh, those edges sure are annoying

12:48PM

maybe I'll fall back to the raycasting in the end, because I won't have to worry there xd

did u even solve this on twgpu? cant remember

I started with Godot because I hoped for faster development, and being actually able to develop a small app that could easily run on mobile phones

i guess once u are fluent in godot this is true

Jupstar ✪

did u even solve this on twgpu? cant remember

I did raytracing: a signgle quad always covering the entire viewport. the tilemap uploaded as a texture. then I map the screen coordinates to the tilemap coordinates, clamp to the limits of the tilemap and sample the tilemap and the tile array texture right after

its obviously true

12:51PM

godot provides lot of things out of the box

12:51PM

its a engine xd

i'd say it's 99% true

https://twitter.com/passivestar_

12:51PM

fun follow

12:51PM

he posts blender and godot stuff

a big engine always has the disadvantage that it doesn't let you integrate easily into every aspect of it

Smooth scrolling in console is already implemented yea?

somewhere there is an abstraction that limits you

https://x.com/passivestar_/status/1715606056146010543?s=20

12:52PM

stupid twitter

12:52PM

https://vxtwitter.com/passivestar_/status/1715606056146010543 (edited)

12:53PM

nice hack

xd

https://vxtwitter.com/passivestar_/status/1714526775156326770

12:53PM

look

12:53PM

this guy is insane

12:53PM

this is godot

neat

very cool

12:55PM

but how's the perf

i mean godot will be quite optimized for PBR, so most light effects will be fast

https://github.com/RodZill4/material-maker

GitHub - RodZill4/material-maker: A procedural textures authoring a...

A procedural textures authoring and 3D model painting tool based on the Godot game engine - GitHub - RodZill4/material-maker: A procedural textures authoring and 3D model painting tool based on the...

more interesting would be use of raytracing

https://vxtwitter.com/passivestar_/status/1715199217633841600

i feel like unreal engine currently has a monopoly on public avaialable engines

godot can only improve

12:58PM

its currently in a nice place also relogic is a sponsor

oh yeah, terraria is a sponsor

12:58PM

it must be good for 3d

12:58PM

i just showed u 3d godot

12:58PM

xd

12:59PM

the joke is that godot 2 sucked hard

12:59PM

but 4 is nice

yeah was just a joke xd

but the meme lives on

Ryozuki

https://github.com/RodZill4/material-maker

the pog thing about godot being open source is these tools

12:59PM

popping up everywhere

@Jupstar ✪ I'm a bit unsure how I should implement the envelopes. does a envelope-values-1d-texture which the quads sample from in the vertex shader sound bad to you in any way? Godot doesn't really tell me how I should update my own gpu buffers (It doesn't actually provide me with non-const-sized-gpu-buffers I think, but 2d-textures-used-as-1d-textures could fill that gap)

and the physics addons etc

1:00PM

https://twitter.com/MegaCrit/status/1713793866779042272 these guys made slay the spire

Mega Crit (@MegaCrit)

We're moving to Godot and made a free little jam game over the last 3 weeks. Featuring: Dancing Duelists,

a BUMPIN' Deckbuilding Autobattler

✨ Play it here

https://t.co/xvGDy9ReUF

Likes

1833

Retweets

310

Ryozuki

https://vxtwitter.com/passivestar_/status/1714526775156326770

ah SSIL is their GI method, then indeed i wonder about performance and how well it looks compared to unreal

wats SSIL xd

1:02PM

it also says SGDFI

1:02PM

Signed distance field global illumination (SDFGI) is a novel technique available in Godot 4.0. It provides semi-real-time global illumination that scales to any world size and works with procedurally generated levels. SDFGI supports dynamic lights, but not dynamic occluders or dynamic emissive surfaces.

Patiga

@Jupstar ✪ I'm a bit unsure how I should implement the envelopes. does a envelope-values-1d-texture which the quads sample from in the vertex shader sound bad to you in any way? Godot doesn't really tell me how I should update my own gpu buffers (It doesn't actually provide me with non-const-sized-gpu-buffers I think, but 2d-textures-used-as-1d-textures could fill that gap)

uff, tbh i have no idea. using textures sounds like a hack, but if godot doesn't give u anything better i guess u have no other choice?

1:03PM

my fear with sampling stuff is that drivers can always override its behavior

Ryozuki

wats SSIL xd

Screen-space indirect lighting (SSIL): The SSIL quality and number of blur passes can be adjusted in the Project Settings. By default, SSIL rendering is performed at half resolution (and then linearly scaled) to ensure a reasonable performance level. Not available when using the Forward Mobile or Compatibility backends.

1:04PM

https://docs.godotengine.org/de/4.x/tutorials/3d/global_illumination/introduction_to_global_illumination.html

Introduction to global illumination

What is global illumination?: Global illumination is a catch-all term used to describe a system of lighting that uses both direct light (light that comes directly from a light source) and indirect ...

what does unreal use?

i dunno they call it lumen or smth

ah, thanks for the brain storming/a bit rubber-ducking, I'll try some stuff out

i don't think there is anything comparable

1:07PM

@Ryozuki the most important thing in UE5 is Nanite.. so their GI etc. has to integrate with that technology

1:07PM

that's why u can't really compare it to anything else i think. it's simply a new approach

copy the aproach

1:08PM

true xd

Ryozuki

its currently in a nice place also relogic is a sponsor

i am incredibly surprised they don't have more sponsors. i guess you have to be more explicitly linux-oriented to get support from all the big names which usually sponsor oss projects like this

smth rly weird happening

1:13PM

im compiling a project with rust

1:13PM

i OOM

1:14PM

i just added a bench binary

1:14PM

odd stuff

1:14PM

ill use less jobs

Ewan

i am incredibly surprised they don't have more sponsors. i guess you have to be more explicitly linux-oriented to get support from all the big names which usually sponsor oss projects like this

linux foundation decided to sponsor https://github.com/o3de/o3de

GitHub - o3de/o3de: Open 3D Engine (O3DE) is an Apache 2.0-licensed...

Open 3D Engine (O3DE) is an Apache 2.0-licensed multi-platform 3D engine that enables developers and content creators to build AAA games, cinema-quality 3D worlds, and high-fidelity simulations wit...

maybe smth rly big in there

instead of godot

1:15PM

for WHATEVER reason xd

probably some quarrel

1:15PM

wrong license or wrong philosophy or they don't like a top contributor

did u use it

Ryozuki

did u use it

no, i just heard it's amazons game engine, which makes sense since many contributors have amazon in their name

well its cool to have alternatives and its open source

yeah, idc too much tbh

1:17PM

godot profited most of the unity problems... at least from the open source engines

amazon's got their fingers in everything

@アリヂン it builds for me even without that glm line at all (edited)

1:31PM

MilkeeyCat

@アリヂン it builds for me even without that glm line at all (edited)

r u under linux?

1:35PM

& do u inlcude glm headers with #include <glm/...>

then it's quite likely that the /usr/includes is already in the path, that's why u dont need it

i still didnt install right drivers feelsbadman

it might not compile under windows then tho

MilkeeyCat

i still didnt install right drivers feelsbadman

whats your problem with your drivers?

theyre bad (edited)

nvidia?

yea

1:36PM

i install neuvau or whatever the hell

rip

1:37PM

it's probably better to use zink globally xd

1:37PM

then u have the power of mesa, while u have the driver of nvidia

1:37PM

assuming u install the nvidia drivers at some point

1:38PM

and no i have never tested that, but would be a funny experiment

1:38PM

with AMD drivers on KDE i had no real issues

Jupstar ✪

& do u inlcude glm headers with #include <glm/...>

yea i do, and i also have this line include_directories(dependencies)

1:38PM

and dependencies folder has glm, i though that has to work

1:38PM

:p

i guess u have glm installed over a package manager

if i remove it from dependencies folder it should work anyways

1:39PM

right?

1:39PM

if i have it installed

yes

ok it does feelsbadman

1:40PM

i dont remember installing it

i can't remember installing any of the 7000 packages out of 7100 packages on my system xdd

Ryozuki

ill use less jobs

would be nice if there was a better solution to this

1:48PM

I also run into this sometimes

Ewan

nobody's gonna be up except for weirdos like me

Joke's on you, I have to go to the DMV again today

1:51PM

yo I have a logical question. if I have an array of 2d vectors and I chose one of them at random. How would I figure out the nearest vector to the left and to the right side?

MilkeeyCat

@アリヂン it builds for me even without that glm line at all (edited)

ok i fixed and now it has a release poggers

wdym by "left" and "right"?

1:56PM

just with a lower/higher x coordinate?

heinrich5991

would be nice if there was a better solution to this

buy more ram xd

1:57PM

i ran out of memory on 32GB lately, when compiling something on arch

heinrich5991

wdym by "left" and "right"?

Sry for the poor quality ethernet port broke on my PC. The green vector is the randomly selected ones and the red ones are the ones that I want

Skeith

Joke's on you, I have to go to the DMV again today

my condolences

anybody knows whats the name of this color scheme? xd (edited)

not off the top of my head

2:00PM

solarized maybe

2:00PM

(dark)

2:00PM

nvm

ive already seen it but cant remember the name feelsbadman

MilkeeyCat

anybody knows whats the name of this color scheme? xd (edited)

Gruvbox, I guess

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not dissimilar to mabakor

Teero

Sry for the poor quality ethernet port broke on my PC. The green vector is the randomly selected ones and the red ones are the ones that I want

so u basically want to see if the dot product is positive or negative?

yep

or how should i interpret that?

2:01PM

or the angle?

2:02PM

but left and right in 3d is really weird

2:02PM

u kinda want a projection of the vector first? but into which direction?

2:03PM

a single red vector does not create a plane

2:03PM

or the x y plane? xd

Teero

Sry for the poor quality ethernet port broke on my PC. The green vector is the randomly selected ones and the red ones are the ones that I want

what jupstar says, I'm still not sure what you mean by left and right

2:03PM

why is the gray one not left or right?

I only want the nearest ones So the nearest one on the left and the nearest one on the right (edited)

what if it's above it?

The vectors are normalised

well the problem is simply, left and right doesn't work like that in 3d xD

It's 2d bro

Teero

Sry for the poor quality ethernet port broke on my PC. The green vector is the randomly selected ones and the red ones are the ones that I want

this img is 2d too?

Y

my brain has hard time parsing that xD

The colors are for what I want and what I have xd

2:06PM

I have the green

2:06PM

I want the red

well in 2d simply check the x coordinate?

Its a circle

then select the vector with the minimum distance that has a higher x coordinate?

Jupstar ✪

well in 2d simply check the x coordinate?

Well no

how is the grey one not closer than the left red one?

Closer by angle

2:07PM

The length doesn't mean anything

i c

2:08PM

so sin & cos are ur friends here

2:09PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_circle

Unit circle

In mathematics, a unit circle is a circle of unit radius—that is, a radius of 1. Frequently, especially in trigonometry, the unit circle is the circle of radius 1 centered at the origin (0, 0) in the Cartesian coordinate system in the Euclidean plane. In topology, it is often denoted as S1 because it is a one-dimensional unit n-sphere.If (x, y)...

But taking angle diffs are annoying asf

2:10PM

since there are always 2 answers

but u know which vector is closer to 1, 0

2:12PM

ok i am thinking too mathematically rn anyway, u probably need a very fast approach

2:13PM

i bet u can somehow abuse the dot product for this

Just getting the closest vector is easy but I need 2 of em

2:14PM

Ah wait I have an idea

Teero

Just getting the closest vector is easy but I need 2 of em

yeah but if u know one, and its coordinate, u just need to seek out for another that as coordinates that are on the other side (edited)

2:15PM

and u can search for the closest vector of red to green, instead of green to red

@Voxel were u planning to submit a pr for #7312? i was looking for stuff to knock out and it seems pretty ez but if u had plans then i'll find something else

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7312

Show afk status of players also in the servers info view · Issue #7...

https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/

Software disenchantment

Everything is going to hell and nobody seems to care

that yellow website is also the hell xDD

The whole webpage/SQL database architecture is built on a premise (hope, even) that nobody will touch your data while you look at the rendered webpage.

I also struggled with that one while writing a website

heinrich5991

The whole webpage/SQL database architecture is built on a premise (hope, even) that nobody will touch your data while you look at the rendered webpage.

I also struggled with that one while writing a website

why is that a problem? i dont understand.. bcs scriptlanguages? security reasons?

you display a resource that a user can edit

2:25PM

multiple users might open the same page, get presented the same data

2:25PM

one user changes field a, the other field b

2:26PM

if you naively just update everything when the users submit, one of these changes is going to be lost (edited)

mh yeah

@Teero found a solution?

yea I think I did

2:35PM

Gotta test first

i think u could do it with a fast cross product(using z achsis for 90°) and using the dot product xd

2:42PM

and it involves no sin, cos or sqrt

heinrich5991

https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/

This is an excellent blog post. He put into decent words everything I've been thinking for years

thing about this post is i've read so many like it that i'm not sure if i've read this one specifically before

2:51PM

you'd think i'd remember the yellow

2:51PM

lmfao this troll dark mode

Learath2

This is an excellent blog post. He put into decent words everything I've been thinking for years

having dealt with the javascript(typescript) universe a bit i can ensure you, it's even worse than u think xD

Ewan

@Voxel were u planning to submit a pr for #7312? i was looking for stuff to knock out and it seems pretty ez but if u had plans then i'll find something else

uh yea sure u can do that

i swear these frameworks are always broken af, and never gonna be fixed. they slow, they tend to not work after a while

wish the world was made in rust

2:56PM

Jupstar ✪

having dealt with the javascript(typescript) universe a bit i can ensure you, it's even worse than u think xD

You know whats even scarier to me? I know a couple people going into the industry right around now and they actually don't see an issue with it

im just hoping wasm can finally do DOM and we get rid of js

Learath2

You know whats even scarier to me? I know a couple people going into the industry right around now and they actually don't see an issue with it

It seems to be getting more and more normal

Ryozuki

wish the world was made in rust

static linking is also a tradeoff, unfortunately

Learath2

You know whats even scarier to me? I know a couple people going into the industry right around now and they actually don't see an issue with it

well this is what they are taught by their professors

Learath2

It seems to be getting more and more normal

yeah it's sad tbh. i always hate the debugging session that lead to nowhere except you saying" probably a framework problem and not in my code"

Ewan

well this is what they are taught by their professors

I don't think that comes up in lectures

u don't even know if that's true but u cannot really expect anything else.. they are basically not reproducable etc

2:58PM

that's also one of the issues i see with CSS. there are 20000 ways to do the same

Jupstar ✪

yeah it's sad tbh. i always hate the debugging session that lead to nowhere except you saying" probably a framework problem and not in my code"

Since I have a very obsessive personality, I do end up all the way inside the framwork for these bugs to confirm it's definitely not my fault

and nobody understands why it works xD

Learath2

Since I have a very obsessive personality, I do end up all the way inside the framwork for these bugs to confirm it's definitely not my fault

well depends on the framework size i guess, but that's actually a good thing to do xd

heinrich5991

I don't think that comes up in lectures

no way to know if this is true as i'm not in any kind of cs or ce course, but i think the general sentiment of doing things faster as opposed to 'correctly' would really shine through

3:00PM

if that's what the industry is doing, there are bound to be a certain number of people who think this way. and a portion of those ppl would be professors or colleagues

Ewan

if that's what the industry is doing, there are bound to be a certain number of people who think this way. and a portion of those ppl would be professors or colleagues

this is far weaker than the initial statement

3:00PM

"there are also professors who think this is okay"

Ryozuki

im just hoping wasm can finally do DOM and we get rid of js

javascipt is like, the only language im fluent in LOL

Jupstar ✪

well depends on the framework size i guess, but that's actually a good thing to do xd

It delays results though. Which is all that matters to bean counters and the new generation. A working MVP immediately that they tell themselves they will definitely improve on but never do

Voxel

javascipt is like, the only language im fluent in LOL

english

Who cares if one of our dependencies is pulling in a version of mongodb and another pulling in another making our bundle double the size. MVP needs to be out yesterday, why are you wasting time debugging that?

Teero

english

yes thats what language i speak

Learath2

It delays results though. Which is all that matters to bean counters and the new generation. A working MVP immediately that they tell themselves they will definitely improve on but never do

but well, it makes a bit of sense to want a working mvp to get money flowing rather than waiting to have that perfect software u may never reach while wasting funds

3:04PM

its all a balance i guess

3:04PM

and it depends a lot on how much ucan wait as a company

3:04PM

today Ryozuki the capitalist

3:04PM

tomorrow the comunist (edited)

Ryozuki

but well, it makes a bit of sense to want a working mvp to get money flowing rather than waiting to have that perfect software u may never reach while wasting funds

Money is a perverse incentive, it's almost always in conflict with good engineering

yeah

3:05PM

thats why free software is so good

3:05PM

u can sense the dedication

3:05PM

and the true craftsmanship

3:05PM

kek

Learath2

Money is a perverse incentive, it's almost always in conflict with good engineering

ddnet

Ryozuki

thats why free software is so good

unfortunately it often isn't

if ppl got paid to program for ddnet then i bet itd be cooler

depends

heinrich5991

unfortunately it often isn't

well there is lots

Ryozuki

ddnet

I never said no money incentive implies good software

but good free software is usually better than the counterpart

3:08PM

i like to believe blender is good

3:08PM

xd

Blender is excellent. If only their competition didn't have war chests the size of a small countries budget marketing their products

Voxel

if ppl got paid to program for ddnet then i bet itd be cooler

hats!

3:09PM

or loot boxes or whatever we call them these days

We should cave and sell capes and colored names and hats

heinrich5991

or loot boxes or whatever we call them these days

today its battlepass

3:10PM

every game has it

3:10PM

valve created it

3:10PM

i been playing diabl o4

3:10PM

diablo 4

3:10PM

it has battlepass xd

im at that point of tiredness that i'm hallucinating phone dings

go sleep

where

3:11PM

no

3:11PM

can't

i go get coffee

Sleep

Can i have twerking twinbop for $9.99

i need to fix my sleep schedule

btw i got a rice cooker and i can say they are nice

3:11PM

best way to lazy cook

yea it was a game changer

3:11PM

when i got mine

3:11PM

suddenly i can make good dinner in 30 mins

3:11PM

set up rice, halfway thru its cooking throw some chicken in the air fryer, basically 0 maintenance food

3:11PM

and it's good

i dont have air fryer

3:12PM

but well i dont want one

they're great (edited)

do air fryer not use oil

they can

3:12PM

most stuff doesn't need it

so its like cooking chicken on a pan with almost no oil?

but some recipes advise u drizzle oil on there

its what i do

3:12PM

non stick pans

yea they are without oil in nature

i see

3:13PM

is it healthier?

3:13PM

xd

well it has less oil than most other methods so yea

3:13PM

it's just hot air

i see maybe i get one

it's sorta like microwave if it didn't make most food either too chewy or too hard in the worst ways possible

what would ddnet battlepass even be like for an open source game

air fryers are really nice

3:15PM

if u want good tasting unhealthy food

WTF

3:17PM

trolled

3:17PM

speaking of im gonna go throw something in

3:17PM

me hungry

Voxel

what would ddnet battlepass even be like for an open source game

sprays mabye idk. Would need to add them first though

i threw in chicken nuggets

3:19PM

not great but it's what we have

3:19PM

i nuke some broccoli too

i mean whats stopping ppl from making clients that bypass the payment system

the server

3:21PM

they would undoubtedly need to be on the same page about who paid

accounts

which to do with any integrity would require accounts yea

implement fortnite dances for tees

true!

3:22PM

ppl keep telling me that

3:22PM

id love to but why

just a joke

Voxel

i mean whats stopping ppl from making clients that bypass the payment system

what's stopping people from teleporting in maps? the same thing

i mean the thing is i thought u meant battlepass as in "custom skins or weapons n stuff"

that's still the same thing: other people won't see your cool skins by default unless you pay up

just implement a system for weapon skins as we have for player skins and sell those

similar to other games

3:27PM

people can ofc show themselves other skins

3:27PM

but that doesn't seem to have the same effect on people

heinrich5991

that's still the same thing: other people won't see your cool skins by default unless you pay up

i dont think ppl care about if others see them. why do you think ppl play with skins not on any database

Voxel

i dont think ppl care about if others see them. why do you think ppl play with skins not on any database

I estimate that less than 10% of the people do that

still

3:31PM

ppl are gonna fork ddnet to bypass these payment systems

3:32PM

betterdiscord exists

it wouldn't work on official servers tho

i dont think ppl care

no it would actually like not be possible

i wouldnt

yeah but the majority won't which is the point

@Patiga https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test5

GitHub - Jupeyy/dd-pg at test5

don't use or read this code. Contribute to Jupeyy/dd-pg development by creating an account on GitHub.

3:33PM

@Patiga do u want to compile it too?

3:33PM

or just look through the code

don't use or read this code kek

it's a mess

just look through the code

3:33PM

thanks! :)

Voxel

betterdiscord exists

doesn't matter, you see people paying for discord nitro

betas

@Patiga these are the map related things https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test5/game/client-render-base/src/map this is the "front end" stuff (stuff that isnt vk) https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/blob/test5/game/client-render-base/src/map/map.rs this is the stuff inside vk: https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/blob/test5/lib/graphics-backend/src/backends/vulkan/vulkan.rs#L325-L361

this project is huge o.o

yes

3:36PM

it has grown quite a bit already

3:36PM

and still i am only at like 40% vanilla xd

Jupstar ✪

@Patiga https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test5

tf is this trying to be the image splitter thing

Voxel

tf is this trying to be the image splitter thing

https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test5/game/client-extra/src

dd-pg/game/client-extra/src at test5 · Jupeyy/dd-pg

don't use or read this code. Contribute to Jupeyy/dd-pg development by creating an account on GitHub.

holy shit you're about to get sued

here are the splitters xD

"only 40%"

3:38PM

so you are basically reimplementing the entire ddnet codebase? or what is the project? ^^

i'd say i reimplement teeworlds, but keep racing in mind

3:38PM

but i didn't really implement any ddnet physics related stuff yet

rustworlds?

xd

3:39PM

for voxel our rust fan

Jupstar ✪

https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test5/game/client-extra/src

mine is still better because i made it myself....

3:40PM

and also reorganized everything

you are crazy @Jupstar ✪ :D

1

louis

rustworlds?

its gonna be a metaverse type thing where it shills rust everywhere like its the next blockchain update or smth

erm

3:44PM

rust is a strong modern language with amazing features centered around safety and security

Voxel

its gonna be a metaverse type thing where it shills rust everywhere like its the next blockchain update or smth

if u want serious WASM support u have like c++ or rust as choices

what do you think about an option in settings which allow to sync main tee color and dummy thonk

so why waste time using c++ again

Jupstar ✪

@Teero found a solution?

I have no idea

MilkeeyCat

what do you think about an option in settings which allow to sync main tee color and dummy thonk

i think copy/paste color code button would be nice

Jupstar ✪

so why waste time using c++ again

because ddnet used c++ and how else was i supposed to make updates

Jupstar ✪

if u want serious WASM support u have like c++ or rust as choices

rustworlds.io???

Jupstar ✪

i think u could do it with a fast cross product(using z achsis for 90°) and using the dot product xd

@Teero try this

3:49PM

u take the cross product of green then u take the cross product of any vec, and the dot product with green the closer the dot product is to 1 the closer the vec with the cross products of the "any" vec and green vec u can see if it's left or right

3:50PM

if the dot product of these cross products is positive its left, else right

3:50PM

i think xdd

convert to polar and sort by angle

louis

rustworlds.io???

xdd the next io game

3:51PM

i wanted to give him a solution without sin, cos etc.

Voxel

because ddnet used c++ and how else was i supposed to make updates

i dunno, i find rust not MUCH harder than cpp

didnt know in ddnet there's fav skin feature xD

i see

3:52PM

seems tricky

MilkeeyCat

didnt know in ddnet there's fav skin feature xD

but did u know u can skip the main menu

3:54PM

i bet nobody here knows all features of ddnet

Jupstar ✪

but did u know u can skip the main menu

i read about it before

Jupstar ✪

i dunno, i find rust not MUCH harder than cpp

i guess but thats because i i only know how to copypaste other code from ddnet to make things (edited)

Voxel

i guess but thats because i i only know how to copypaste other code from ddnet to make things (edited)

xddd

Voxel

i guess but thats because i i only know how to copypaste other code from ddnet to make things (edited)

"ddnet in a nutshell", as zogtib would say xD

that's why i introduced a clear hierarchy

ddnet's the Most Fun to program idk why

to prevent this from happening again in such a mess style

ddnet is not fun to write code for

i tried finding other open source games but none are rly good looking

0ad

Jupstar ✪

i think xdd

Can't think rn Gonna screenshot that and think about it tmrw. thx

@Jupstar ✪ did u feel job dev burnout yet

Teero

Can't think rn Gonna screenshot that and think about it tmrw. thx

it's ez to understand if u visualize what i'm doin xd

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ did u feel job dev burnout yet

want my honest or my humble answer?

Jupstar ✪

it's ez to understand if u visualize what i'm doin xd

brain is split in half

yeah

4:05PM

i feel like today has been rly stressful for me xD

Ryozuki

yeah

such a programmer answer to my question xD

4:05PM

I SEE "OR"

xD

Voxel

i tried finding other open source games but none are rly good looking

have you seen mindustry? its neat :)

Ryozuki

i feel like today has been rly stressful for me xD

question is, was it stressful but u still did a lot? or was it stressful and u still didnt achieve anything

Patiga

have you seen mindustry? its neat :)

i tried playing that but dropped out of it

ozu laser is also supposedly good ^^

1

Patiga

have you seen mindustry? its neat :)

don't lure him away from tw pepeW

in Veloren you probably have the most freedom, since could influence the direction where the game is going

Teero

don't lure him away from tw pepeW

mindustry only makes fun for 1 day anyway xD

2

1

Teero

don't lure him away from tw pepeW

I like to encourage coding :D

veloren is cool but barebones for sure

heinrich5991

ozu laser is also supposedly good ^^

you meant osu right? or

unfortunately i couldnt really make my character a cute girl so i didnt play for too long

true, but visually its nice. zooming out is amazing

Jupstar ✪

question is, was it stressful but u still did a lot? or was it stressful and u still didnt achieve anything

i did a lot i think but the stress lingers

4:10PM

the problem with me is i think im someone who gets too involved in stuff

Ryozuki

i did a lot i think but the stress lingers

could simply be a bad day or week if u start doing less, then u in the burn out

so im also then the one on the receiving end if something is not that ok

4:10PM

because i talk a lot

4:10PM

xd

louis

veloren is cool but barebones for sure

veloren was the case study for what i meant by "none looked fun"

Ryozuki

because i talk a lot

there is an easy fix for that

ryozuki tried to reccomend but it looked boring and grindy

i just mentioned it

4:11PM

it looks boring indeed

i played it for 1 day xd

its hard to make nice gameplay loops

1

but it is boring after a while

u need game designers for that not engineers

but beautiful xd

dw it's boring. I liked to find exploits in it though

the zooming is epic xd

2

4:11PM

i did it like every 5 minutes

4:11PM

just to do it (edited)

it really is addicting

Voxel

you meant osu right? or

apparently osu lazer

4:13PM

didn't remember where the z goes ^^

i dont rly like osu justatest

fun times xD

ghosy the minecraft king also pro in other survival games

1

4:14PM

xdd

heinrich5991

ozu laser is also supposedly good ^^

iirc server is not open source

4:15PM

@Jupstar ✪ u didnt answer

4:15PM

a yes to an OR question means yes to both

Mr.Gh0s7

fun times xD

me when cyberfighter forces me to grind in xpanic

Ryozuki

a yes to an OR question means yes to both

no xD

4:17PM

it means at least one condition is true

xd

4:17PM

tell me honest then

i never really took my job serious enough to call it burnout, but i guess u could say that is already some kind of burnout xD i find my job rather boring

Jupstar ✪

i never really took my job serious enough to call it burnout, but i guess u could say that is already some kind of burnout xD i find my job rather boring

i guess my problem is i think of it now as i depend on it

4:19PM

before i lived alone iwas like ye idc

oh yeah

but now i have the little fear of losing my job and since i live alone it can be a problem

i can certainly believe that is one problem

4:20PM

i currently luckely have no money problem

its mainly what stresses me out when smth troublesome happens

so i feel rather safe

i mean i also have savings

4:20PM

and i get daily offers on linkedin

4:20PM

i think im safe

4:20PM

but u never know xd

anyway

4:20PM

i can ensure u it's normal

4:21PM

i had serious burnouts in the past. then u really can't work on anything anymore

Jupstar ✪

so i feel rather safe

safe? rust refere

Jupstar ✪

i had serious burnouts in the past. then u really can't work on anything anymore

ic

Voxel

safe? rust refere

yeah thanks rust, our lord and savior

read my bio

4:24PM

"Now i am become Rust, Destroyer of Unsafe code"

amazing

yea yea

4:24PM

im immovable

@Voxel good, nice we get closer

4:25PM

now the opposite

Ryozuki

iirc server is not open source

apparently there's a third-party server impl: https://github.com/osuAkatsuki/bancho.py

GitHub - osuAkatsuki/bancho.py: A community-driven osu! server in m...

A community-driven osu! server in modern python. Contribute to osuAkatsuki/bancho.py development by creating an account on GitHub.

u can move

(TIL)

Voxel

im immovable

like rust variables, immutable by default

xd

4:26PM

voxel is pinned

mutable by default is a mistake

4:26PM

like null pointers

yeah

4:26PM

generally if it exists, it should exist

null pointers are only good for niche optimization, that u dont need to care about

less Option = less code to check for

btw if u know a value wont ever be 0

4:27PM

and u have a option

4:27PM

use Option<NonZerou64>

4:27PM

then it will occupy same space as a u64

ez

use std::mem::size_of;
assert_eq!(size_of::<Option<core::num::NonZeroU64>>(), size_of::<u64>());

4:27PM

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/num/struct.NonZeroU64.html

NonZeroU64 in std::num - Rust

An integer that is known not to equal zero.

ez optimizations

4:28PM

maybe i can actually use it in one place

Ryozuki

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/num/struct.NonZeroU64.html

that abstraction is unfortunately a bit annoying to work with

4:28PM

and it only works for 0

@heinrich5991 check this hack

4:30PM

https://docs.rs/nonmax/0.5.3/nonmax/

nonmax - Rust

GitHub CI Status nonmax on crates.io nonmax docs

4:30PM

it works

4:30PM

     /// Creates a new non-max if the given value is not the maximum
            /// value.
            #[inline]
            pub const fn new(value: $primitive) -> Option<Self> {
                match core::num::$non_zero::new(value ^ $primitive::MAX) {
                    None => None,
                    Some(value) => Some(Self(value)),
                }
            }

4:30PM

xd

4:31PM

they do the complement

Jupstar ✪

voxel is pinned

to what

xd

that comes with a perf penalty, unfortunately

4:31PM

rust might eventually support that without the perf penalty, I think

4:32PM

it's currently implemented in nightly, I think

heinrich5991

that comes with a perf penalty, unfortunately

yeah but i think its rly small

heinrich5991

rust might eventually support that without the perf penalty, I think

i think the argument was that its rly rare to use this

4:32PM

to support it

4:35PM

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/sync/struct.Exclusive.html

Exclusive in std::sync - Rust

Exclusive provides only mutable access, also referred to as exclusive access to the underlying value. It provides no immutable, or shared access to the underlying value.

4:35PM

lol

4:35PM

async related

Voxel

to what

so u cannot be moved

4:36PM

immoveable

yea thats what i said

hmm, interesting

Voxel

im immovable

just what u wanted xd

voxel is a Pin<Box<dyn Error>>

and how does this benefit you

@Voxel we teach u rust https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/pin/index.html

std::pin - Rust

Types that pin data to its location in memory.

Ryozuki

voxel is a Pin<Box<dyn Error>>

ew what the fuck?

4:36PM

rust dyns in fng?

4:36PM

f3

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/98407

Tracking Issue for Exclusive · Issue #98407 · rust-lang/rust

Feature gate: #![feature(exclusive_wrapper)] This is a tracking issue for the Exclusive wrapper struct. This structure can be used to upgrade non-Sync objects into Sync ones, by only offering mutab...

4:38PM

i wish u could remove only the embed image

4:38PM

but keep text

you mean the pfp?

rustc_layout_scalar_valid_range_{start,end}

4:38PM

just the summary text

heinrich5991

rustc_layout_scalar_valid_range_{start,end}

that's what's used to implement the niches @Ryozuki

ic

interesting, Option<File> is also 4 byte

rust feels like one of those things where you HAD to have been programming since 2017 with it (before it blew up) to make anything in it

i'd say the opposite

4:40PM

it's slowly getting usable

4:40PM

for a wider range of ppl

heinrich5991

that's what's used to implement the niches @Ryozuki

ah it can only be used in compiler code yet

4:42PM

#![allow(internal_features)] #![feature(rustc_attrs)]

4:42PM

requires this

File uses -1 as the niche on linux

oh yea i found the linux github page yesterday

4:45PM

some of the prs are so golden

linux isn't developed on github AFAIK

4:46PM

so it'd just be a mirror

yes but everything is mirrored yes

i.e. the PRs aren't getting looked at

oh

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 5 new commits

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5:19PM

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7356 Editor: stop/pause sound previews

5:19PM

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7256 Editor file dialog audio preview should stop playing once closed.

Hi looking to build DDNet client on windows, any guide available other than the really limited one on the GitHub ?

there's also one in the forums

5:25PM

I think it might be outdated though

5:25PM

https://forum.ddnet.org/viewtopic.php?t=5765

5:25PM

if you have problems, post them

Linux does not use pull requests at all

5:40PM

They use a mailing list and patches

bro u gotta mail your update??

Old ppl

fair

5:42PM

i can only imagine you storing your changed code in an usb stick and physically mailing it to linus

email

oh yea

5:43PM

forgot emails were a factor

idk physical mail sounded more fitting for such a niche

it’s tha way

how to build a portal in ddnet?

portal?

yes

wdym

5:47PM

there are teleports already

Portal like in Minecraft?

Ewan

there are teleports already

I can't find

you should redirect mapping questions to #mapping

Ok

1

Im not sure if this is the right channel but I have a quick question to someone who knows cryptography. Is AES-GCM still a save solution to encrypt passwords? Or is there a newer and better mode/algorithm?

encrypt passwords for?

6:24PM

a database? a packet?

a database

then it was never a secure solution

6:25PM

xD

6:26PM

not??

what you want is a hash function i guess

6:26PM

with a salt

nono it has to be recoverable

no

furo321

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7363 Change chat input size to 256

Previously you were able to write up to 512 characters in the chat box, but when you would send it, it would be truncated to 256.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that af...

no

xD

6:27PM

I want to see them later.

nope

6:27PM

ur asking for bad practises

no

we dont do that here

Oh for your own passwords?

altho we do c++

Like as in a password manager?

Ryozuki

altho we do c++

And rust?

good

I need to store them so I can see tham later.

6:28PM

y es

surely for his own

6:28PM

yeah yeah, i also store your paypal password with symmetric encryptions

Trexic

Im not sure if this is the right channel but I have a quick question to someone who knows cryptography. Is AES-GCM still a save solution to encrypt passwords? Or is there a newer and better mode/algorithm?

if you're just trying to keep passwords out of people's view, you might just base64-encode them

noooooooo

no

otherwise the next question will be why the key for the encryption is safer than your password

For a password manager kind of application aes gcm is fine

i.e. what are you trying to do?

yes Im trying to do similar stuff like a password manager

I would also put a slow kdf in the middle, like argon2

Trexic

yes Im trying to do similar stuff like a password manager

yeah sure

I think argon2id is what’s popular nowadays

("where are you getting your encryption key from?")

Jupstar ✪

yeah sure

?

Trexic

?

heinrich5991

("where are you getting your encryption key from?")

answer this

6:33PM

this is important

Learath2

I think argon2id is what’s popular nowadays

yes i use that

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Key_derivation_function&oldid=1169865879#Password_hashing says OWASP says argon2id

Key derivation function

In cryptography, a key derivation function (KDF) is a cryptographic algorithm that derives one or more secret keys from a secret value such as a master key, a password, or a passphrase using a pseudorandom function (which typically uses a cryptographic hash function or block cipher). KDFs can be used to stretch keys into longer keys or to obtain...

so I should use that to generate the encryption key of the master key?

what do you want to use for encryption? is it a password? is it randomly generated data?

6:35PM

if you want to use a password as a key, then yes, such a key derivation function is the way to go

good

6:35PM

thats what i want

if you use randomly generated data, then no, don't use the key derivation function (edited)

heinrich5991

if you use randomly generated data, then no, don't use the key derivation function (edited)

cuz?

6:36PM

Just interested

No more secure

takes a second to derive

6:36PM

useless time spent

6:36PM

doesn't improve security

yeah sure cuz its already secure random

6:37PM

ok ok

6:37PM

ty

We use KDFs to stretch our short passwords into the required size in a slow way

1

6:37PM

You can already generate however many bits needed randomly, so no need to stretch

(and if you have 128 bits, you can stretch that to as many bits as you want, without a kdf)

thanks that helped a lot

@Trexic what are u coding

Jupstar ✪

@Trexic what are u coding

DDNet bot, but with AES-GCM

3

@Trexic r u on windows?

ye

did u ever have problems compiling ddnet?

no

mhh

6:41PM

weird

6:41PM

xd

hahahaha

i recently compiled it?

@Jupstar ✪ u troll xddd

@Trexic so wanna leak what u doin

It worked for me after a few tries

or prefer to keep secret

hmm??

6:42PM

is anything wrong that it worked? xD shouldnt it?

no

6:42PM

i mean, do you want to share what u coding

6:42PM

i mean u ask in ddnet dev chat

6:43PM

so i assume it's ddnet related?

yes ik that im writing to ddnet channel. Thats also why I asked if this is the right channel for that question. No its not for ddnet. It was a general coding question for some projects

i c

6:44PM

i mean that's not forbidden, was just curious

the forbidden questions....

it's okay to ask non-ddnet-related programming questions in this channel

gtk

tho other discords might be more appropriate for some questions

hmm

6:46PM

hard to find some guys which answe that fast

6:46PM

also most of them had no idea of crypto

yeah ddnet is elite chat anyway

6:52PM

half of rust community is here

6:52PM

then a guy that knows the c spec by heart

make that two

O.O

6:52PM

u too?

not me

6:52PM

zogtib

ah

I am just the middleman xD

u the machine learning guy

xD

together with gerdoe

and Tater

Tater is already shader guy xd

Tater is machine learning guy?

teero is TAS guy

6:56PM

xd

6:56PM

New automatic TAS generator coming soon™️

i gotta make more ddnet shader concepts when i get home

hyper realistic teeworlds poggers2

7:07PM

The tees will have simulated hair (edited)

7:07PM

haha imagine some ropes sticking out of a tee on top acting like hair xdd

no need to optimize ddnet when u can implement DLSS 3 & FSR (edited)

1

7:08PM

Teero

haha imagine some ropes sticking out of a tee on top acting like hair xdd

interactive skins would be awesome

7:09PM

but hard to impliment

softbody tees xd

7:11PM

You could use some library but that would probably be bloat

im gonna make a ddnet client that has an overengineered skins system

7:14PM

features include: more faces, flipped bodies, layered skins, maybe a tail, maybe a hat, maybe an animated segment

great

7:15PM

just gotta learn rust

1

Jupstar ✪

just gotta learn rust

ddnet uses python and c++

7:20PM

no need to learn rust for smth like that

Voxel

no need to learn rust for smth like that

It is very essential

but then u bloat the client instead of using the awesome WASM API

Voxel

ddnet uses python and c++

also pls remove python xd

7:21PM

that's an insult to ddnet

Replace with bash

Jupstar ✪

also pls remove python xd

ok then replace all python files

yes pls

when u do that, only then will i start to learn it

7:28PM

heinrich is huge pyson fan sadly

7:28PM

and deen likes it too

that sucks

7:39PM

speaking if which

7:39PM

what does rust in the ddnet code even do rn

7:40PM

sorry goldfish memory

Voxel

ddnet uses python and c++

ddnet uses rust too

read

Voxel

what does rust in the ddnet code even do rn

well nothing xD

7:40PM

the master srv is in rust

Jupstar ✪

well nothing xD

LOL

7:42PM

ok well the master srv ok

7:42PM

i dont touch the master srv so

https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Addnet%2Fddnet++language%3ARust&type=code

ok?

4sec extra compile times is the current feature of the rust code

7:43PM

7:44PM

and the rust code can detect bot creators

7:44PM

Jupstar ✪

and the rust code can detect bot creators

7:51PM

like im interested but i dont wanna become a cult member

you are member of anti-rust cult tho

8:14PM

hm

8:14PM

actually you are anti-ryo cult member

sounds about right

8:20PM

like id LEARN rust if it meant i got something out of it

you first need to know what you wanna do

8:21PM

then you will code it

i did want to make an adobe animate mirror that offered better QoL features and overall a better experience (edited)

8:24PM

since .fla files are just zip files under the hood

so here you go

8:27PM

take rust, learn .fla format and so on xd

8:28PM

looks hard tho

8:28PM

for me atleast, have never used adobe animate

i mean most of the fla is in json format

here you go then xd

fla

8:32PM

@Voxel i kinda want to see all ur ideas xd

yea afobe animate used to be adobe flash

Jupstar ✪

@Voxel i kinda want to see all ur ideas xd

i am at work i will dump all of my ideas later

Voxel

yea afobe animate used to be adobe flash

but probably frame dependent?

i have too many

Voxel

i have too many

me2

8:32PM

never ending story

Jupstar ✪

but probably frame dependent?

i think flash was always frame dependant

Voxel

i think flash was always frame dependant

mhh that ofc always sucks xd

true especially if you're trying to sync to a song

teeworlds dance challenge

8:33PM

omg

8:33PM

nice

like i know HOW TO do teeworlds animation now

8:33PM

but the system is so jank

8:33PM

................... i still need to program a psudeo accurate teeworlds pose editor (edited)

yeah rip xd

Jupstar ✪

and the rust code can detect bot creators

so can C++

teero replace the rust code with the cpp code then

8:43PM

Voxel

teero replace the rust code with the cpp code then

still waiting for carbon

furo321

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7364 Use correct max value for "Hook collision width" setting

Previously you were able to set cl_hook_coll_size to 100, if you changed it via settings. But the max value for the setting itself is 20.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physi...

Teero

still waiting for carbon

carbon sucks

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

816fd75 Change chat input size to 256 - furo321 565f9d1 Merge pull request #7363 from furo321/correct-chat-limit - Robyt3

9:12PM

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7363 Change chat input size to 256

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7365 Fix crash when directly rendering demo after slicing, fix demo slice confirmation popup not being shown anymore

Use m_aCurrentDemoSelectionName and m_DemolistStorageType for the demo render popup instead of using m_DemolistSelectedIndex, which can be invalid when the demo render popup is not opened from the demo browser. Closes #7347.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
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github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

9b3f34a Use correct max value for "Hook collision width" setting - furo321 61ff171 Merge pull request #7364 from furo321/hookcollsize - Robyt3

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Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7364 Use correct max value for "Hook collision width" setting

@Jupstar ✪ how long until u go off

10:03PM

wait

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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

f32e8eb Fix demo slice confirmation popup not being shown anymore - Robyt3 7c06553 Fix crash when directly rendering demo after slicing - Robyt3 31031f5 Merge pull request #7365 from Robyt3/Menus-Demo-Fixes - def-

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