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i got an espresso machine yesterday

9:48AM

im up at 4 now

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7349 Race demo with invalid chunks recorded

Reported by Draggory on Discord. Race demo file: Zenith_324.860_Draggory.zip The demo length is correctly shown in the browser, so the demo file was properly closed. But when playing it the progress bar goes to the left and the total length is zero. There seem to be invalid demo chunks with invalid ticks in the middle of the demo, which causes the wrong end tick to be calculated. The end tick is smaller than...

why sdl alpha blending weird? first is how it looks pre-blending second is how it should look third is how it actually looks. it’s dark in the middle https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806786136474910730/1163035155460538438/image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806786136474910730/1163035774866960464/image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806786136474910730/1163033900138905600/image.png (edited)

11:18AM

gross link watermarks

sdl?

yes

11:30AM

sdl

11:30AM

the sequel

?

11:30AM

sdl = sdl2 library?

yes lmfao

yeah sry but u give 0 information so i assume you mean the SDL renderer?

11:32AM

what blend mode do you use?

blend mode

11:33AM

sdl renderer or surface irrrelevant

so which blend mode is blend mode?

11:34AM

one minus alpha?

SDL_BLENDMODE_BLEND

so one minus alpha

looks like the mask is alpha premutliplied and shouldnt be

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i guess SDL_BLENDMODE_ADD is the one that emulates that then

nah

or SDL_BLENDMODE_MOD

11:37AM

if u premultiply your own vertex color

try all the blend modes until it works

i did already

11:38AM

they are all not proper

if u get your request right: u want to have the alpha values of texture1 be multiplied with the text that u add

remade surf and specified rgba32 non premultiplied and still wacky

u have to do that in one render call

11:39AM

not in 2

what render call

let's get the thing right first: you want the second text to be partially transparent at the outer edges right? and texture1 defines how much transparent it should be

yes

tbh i don't know if u can do smth like that with the SDL renderer

11:43AM

it seems very primitive

11:44AM

u'd need to sample over texture 1 and multiple the alpha of this texture with the vertices that you render, when you create the second text

i just want to blend the gradient texture over top of the source texture using a normal blending mode

11:44AM

but i think there is a problem with their math since doing that creates dark spots near the middle

11:45AM

it should be pretty simple

no, that looks correct to me tbh

11:45AM

it's not really trivial imo

fwiw black is just for show

11:45AM

when drawing the gradient im actually using transparent

yeah but you need the information of that texture in a different render call

im using surfaces

render call = i want to draw these vertices

yea we are not in gpu world rn

Ewan

im using surfaces

let me read what they are in sdl2 renderer

fwiw

11:46AM

sdl2 renderer is gpu

11:46AM

used with textures

11:46AM

surfaces is cpu rendering

11:46AM

texture = hardware backed surface

11:47AM

well it's more abstract

11:47AM

but using the accelerated init

11:47AM

that's what it is

ah so you have full control over all pixels?

yes

11:47AM

i don't wanna do it myself but i could

i guess u have to do it your own then

i just wonder why their math is weird

11:47AM

shouldn't be hard u know

so u simply want to overwrite the pixels instead of making them transparent

11:48AM

well that's one solution yes

no no

11:48AM

it's like they're using color key internally or smthm

11:48AM

instead of mathing on the alphas

well one minus source alpha is your blend mode

11:49AM

what you want, but they don't offer, is using the dst alpha value

11:49AM

the alpha values written by texture 1

that is so ass

11:51AM

u can do custom blending modes

11:51AM

i guess ill check that out

11:53AM

SDL_ComposeCustomBlendMode(SDL_BLENDFACTOR_ONE,
                                                         SDL_BLENDFACTOR_DST_ALPHA,
                                                         SDL_BLENDOPERATION_ADD,
                                                         SDL_BLENDFACTOR_ONE,
                                                         SDL_BLENDFACTOR_DST_ALPHA,
                                                         SDL_BLENDOPERATION_ADD);

ugg

it should work as you expect with alpha blending and a properly generated mask. I bet your issue is the mask

tried mask and it didn't help

by mask I mean the texture2 that has the gradient

you think that im making the gradient wrong?

i dont think this renderer has support for multiple texture sampling

11:56AM

so u cannot really mask it

11:56AM

as u imagine it

I bet it is a gradient from rgba(0,0,0,0) to rgba(0,0,255,255) which is not what you want

11:56AM

you want rgba(0,0,255,0) to rgba(0,0,255,255)

11:56AM

which is not-premultiplied alpha

im not doing color blending only alpha,

11:56AM

from blue to transparent

11:57AM

void RenderLinearGradient(SDL_Surface *surf,
                          const SDL_Rect *rect,
                          const SDL_Color *color1,
                          const SDL_Color *color2,
                          bool orientation)
{
    SDL_Rect walking_rect = SDL_Rect(*rect);

    auto *offset = orientation ? &walking_rect.x : &walking_rect.y;
    auto *pos = orientation ? &walking_rect.w : &walking_rect.h;

    auto starting_offset = *offset;
    auto starting_pos = *pos;
    *pos = 1;
    for (; *offset < starting_offset + starting_pos; (*offset)++) {
        float fraction = (float(*offset - starting_offset) / float(starting_pos));
        SDL_FillRect(surf, &walking_rect, Interpolate(surf->format, color2, color1, fraction));
    }
}

define "transparent" htats the issue

this my fn

11:57AM

0,0,0,0

try blue with alpha 0

11:57AM

0,0,1,0 or smth

@k2d222 what you want is render text1 render text2 put gradient over text2?

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so u cannot really mask it

yes it's not really mask it's overlay (edited)

or text generally

11:59AM

if that's all the same text

cal them surfs ur hurting my brain

11:59AM

im like what text and then i remember u speak of texture

11:59AM

xd

no

11:59AM

i mean text this time

ou

it's a bit wierd to call it surface, that generally refers to smth else (edited)

not in 2d

@Ewan before applying the gradient do u render the text in one go?

yeah

ok

here's it with transparent blue btw

ok

what i expected

and then u want to put the gradient over it

yep

ok

12:02PM

so basically what u actually want is render the text on a seperate texture, that has no background color

12:02PM

bcs one problem is that the background color is used during blending too

12:02PM

which makes everything darker not only the text

12:02PM

or

12:03PM

u want a pure alpha texture. and use blue manually

Ewan

why sdl alpha blending weird? first is how it looks pre-blending second is how it should look third is how it actually looks. it’s dark in the middle https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806786136474910730/1163035155460538438/image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806786136474910730/1163035774866960464/image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806786136474910730/1163033900138905600/image.png (edited)

ok or let's do it differently

12:04PM

why is this black in first place?

Ewan

fwiw black is just for show

~

did u do that manually by hand?

12:04PM

or how should i understand that

i replaced the transparent in my gradient fn invoc w black

12:05PM

but it looks identical when i just turn off blending

ok

12:05PM

but that sounds wrong to me already. it should be white

when using 0,0,0,0?

ok tbf it depends on the blend mode

12:06PM

can u just post the gradient here?

12:07PM

the texture for it

it's dynamically generated

12:07PM

i'd have to dump

i c

Ewan

shouldn't be hard u know

this is recreated

12:07PM

with same math

Ewan

shouldn't be hard u know

yeah, so u don't aim to make text transparent

12:08PM

but simply overwrite it

yep

12:08PM

oh wow sorry i didn't realize that's what u were asking

12:08PM

that's also a pretty good idea

it's ok. i was very confused here too

then bg can be whatever and not be a color

Ewan

that's also a pretty good idea

no, for this renderer your approach is better

maybe faster and easier

12:09PM

but not better

12:09PM

if i want to have transparency effects in the ui like i usually do

my approach requires to sample from 2 textures at once

12:09PM

from the text-texture and the gradient-texture

12:09PM

that's the problem

12:09PM

i dunno if u can do it without shaders

12:09PM

ok i mean u can do anything

12:09PM

since it's on the CPU

SDL_ComposeCustomBlendMode lets you use source and destination

12:10PM

src color mode, src alpha mode, src blend op, dst color mode, dst alpha mode, dst blend op

that's my understanding is it correct?

sorta but no borders on gradient

12:10PM

just the inner

k2d222

that's my understanding is it correct?

mh then normal blending should work indeed

eys

yea

12:11PM

so why black

12:11PM

>_>

but

12:11PM

to be sure, dump the gradient

k

that's the only way to be sure

time to import sdl2_image

12:11PM

all your stuff does not happen on the GPU?

all cpu

would be much easier XD

not really for arbitrary rendering

well at least not without shaders

yea

12:12PM

lmfao

12:13PM

oh my GOD i don't even have it

sample a few valuess along the x axis should be sufficient

no it's rly 2 fn calls and i already have the thing set up now

12:15PM

thanks msys

12:17PM

there

12:17PM

dumped

yeah ok

12:18PM

you were right from the start then i guess

i hate it when i'm right

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Ewan

i hate it when i'm right

what u could try is dumping before gradient and after

i blit that right on top of this

i could imagine one reason why it's wrong

12:21PM

u overwriting the final alpha values with values close to 0 and at some point it uses that texture to render it to the screen

unfortunately i don't think that's possible cuz the gradient texture gets blitted to the button + the button gets blitted directly to the window's surface

12:22PM

that's the only alpha stuff happening

12:22PM

and i'm only touching the values in the gradient fn

Ewan

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I insist that the img has the issue of premult alpha, and that produces the black result that you have as expected. the region with alpha = 0 must have the correct rgb values.

where would this premultiplication be happening

12:22PM

my interpolation fn is unbiased

12:22PM

uint32_t Interpolate(SDL_PixelFormat *format,
                     const SDL_Color *color1,
                     const SDL_Color *color2,
                     float fraction)
{
    return SDL_MapRGBA(format,
                       static_cast<uint8_t>((color1->r - color2->r) * fraction + color2->r),
                       static_cast<uint8_t>((color1->g - color2->g) * fraction + color2->g),
                       static_cast<uint8_t>((color1->b - color2->b) * fraction + color2->b),
                       static_cast<uint8_t>((color1->a - color2->a) * fraction + color2->a));
}

k2d222

I insist that the img has the issue of premult alpha, and that produces the black result that you have as expected. the region with alpha = 0 must have the correct rgb values.

i mean it would make sense, but i wonder when this multiplication should happen

12:23PM

do you have experience with sdl2 renderer?

https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL2/SDL_BlendMode > the described blend mode function indicates that it expects non-premult alpha

yes

12:24PM

but like, he dumped the texture

yet the image gradiend dumped has premult alpha

that might be png encoder

i mean, "premult alpha" not really, it's just a normal gradient from opaque blue to black transparent

k2d222

yet the image gradiend dumped has premult alpha

to me the color looks right

12:25PM

in gimp

12:26PM

@Ewan can u write to the pixels directly?

how low level

like set all alpha to 1 after your whole calculation

12:26PM

of the surface

Jupstar ✪

to me the color looks right

12:27PM

top=ewan btm=me

yeahmm

it does fade to black

k2d222

Click to see attachment 🖼️

ah i see

Jupstar ✪

like set all alpha to 1 after your whole calculation

i could but that's exactly how it displays with alpha blending off

12:27PM

i will try blending opaque blue to transparent blue

@k2d222 is right actually

12:27PM

i mean gradienting

12:27PM

u know

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i mean yea that's what im doing

12:28PM

0,0,0,0 (edited)

yeah but i disabled alpha layer

12:28PM

ah yeah

Ewan

0,0,0,0 (edited)

can u simply use the blue all the time

12:28PM

only make alpha go 0

it does work but it's not desirable

u dont want any color gradiation

Ewan

it does work but it's not desirable

what do you dislike about it?

Ewan

it does work but it's not desirable

what is that not what u want??

i am just wondering how it is that pdn can create the exact correct gradient from scratch when i use 0,0,0,0 as the second color

12:30PM

but now that i look at my mockup gradient i see that it's the same blue and all that changes is the alpha. so pdn must be doing something 'smart' under the hood and changing my black transparent to something more appropriate

12:30PM

cool i guess

12:30PM

since that's what i was comparing it against i thought black was not the issue

Ewan

but now that i look at my mockup gradient i see that it's the same blue and all that changes is the alpha. so pdn must be doing something 'smart' under the hood and changing my black transparent to something more appropriate

it does exist yes

12:31PM

some programs do that

would have been nice to know 30 mins ago

12:31PM

damn

they un-premultiply alpha and copy neighbor alpha in pixels that have alpha=0

12:32PM

it's a bit hacky but allows correct antialiasing at opaque-alpha edges in some cases

yeah

12:32PM

quite hacky

12:32PM

definitely not expected

unity does that iirc

12:33PM

what is pdn?

paint.net

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k2d222

they un-premultiply alpha and copy neighbor alpha in pixels that have alpha=0

why do they do this? do they dislike loosing color values?

12:35PM

how does that even help restore the original color if alpha = 0

to avoid interpolation artefacts at sharp opaque->transparent edges, but I think that was in fact not what was happening for @Ewan

it’s the gradient tool, it may just be for this exact scenario

Jupstar ✪

why do they do this? do they dislike loosing color values?

I read about it recently leme see if i find the article for you

k2d222

to avoid interpolation artefacts at sharp opaque->transparent edges, but I think that was in fact not what was happening for @Ewan

ok but do we speak about pre multiplied textures, with a blend mode that is addative?

Dev7z

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7350 Add files via upload

Fix CY outdated flag

check out my awesome hue interpolation

12:41PM

even tho my rgb interpolation does it just fine

12:41PM

i wanted to try it

12:41PM

it's not high tech enough

Jupstar ✪

ok but do we speak about pre multiplied textures, with a blend mode that is addative?

heh, apparently I remembered it incorrectly, still good to know about, here's the source https://youtu.be/d6tp43wZqps?si=rUkq6fjBGbiI19G6&t=627

t3ssel8r

Crafting a Better Shader for Pixel Art Upscaling

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7350 Fixed CY outdated flag

k2d222

heh, apparently I remembered it incorrectly, still good to know about, here's the source https://youtu.be/d6tp43wZqps?si=rUkq6fjBGbiI19G6&t=627

good video to watch overall btw

i like my buttons

k2d222

heh, apparently I remembered it incorrectly, still good to know about, here's the source https://youtu.be/d6tp43wZqps?si=rUkq6fjBGbiI19G6&t=627

ah

12:44PM

ddnet has the same problem btw

12:45PM

in ddnet we call it "dialate"

12:45PM

pre multiplied textures have one obvious problem

dilate*

loss of precision?

they remove accuracy if u use them with u8 color components

12:45PM

yes

12:45PM

precision is better word^^

Ewan

dilate*

ty

I never know the difference between precision and accuracy, but precision exists in french and not accuracy (edited)

same thing

dump it again

Ewan

i like my buttons

watcha workin on

1:02PM

looks futuristic xd

idk im just making stuff

1:04PM

ive been helping this guy do some sdl stuff and he needed a gui

1:04PM

and i always knew a gui in sdl would be very easy to do i just never had to do it

1:04PM

so im doing it

1:04PM

but not for him just for fun

ddnet gui system is very logical but not readable in code. It's a nightmare to come back to some gui that you made months ago and try to get what's going on

ddnet gui system is filling rects xd

it's immediate mode nonsense

yes. good rects

ruthless on the cpu

egui does similar, but is still nicer to use imo

egui sux

1:08PM

qt win

immediate is good

qt bloat (edited)

for a game ui maybe

yeah

Teero

qt bloat (edited)

not if it's installed on your system as a shared lib lol

stuff like React is cleaner imo for GUIs

ew

1:09PM

webb

i mean the idea

1:09PM

not javascript xd

I've never seen a frontend in C++ that isn't a mess

Teero

I've never seen a frontend in C++ that isn't a mess

that is probably bcs they don't give enough shit about performance xd

Teero

I've never seen a frontend in C++ that isn't a mess

platform native widgets

qt is very performant

or wxwidgets

rly wxwidgets LMFAO

no I'm kidding

c++ is simply no language to write simplistic code in

1:12PM

at least not with the current standard

3000 loc for a settings menu xdd

rust for example is a bit better. bcs of auto moving stuff

UIs are very descriptive and cpp is very imperative, xmls et.al are relatively good to describe uis

but rust is sometimes also too explicit

Teero

3000 loc for a settings menu xdd

more

typescript allows annoymous data types etc.

1:13PM

that simplifies code often

Jupstar ✪

typescript allows annoymous data types etc.

void*

+ everything is shared pointer basically

Teero

void*

xd

Teero

void*

i've seen a codebase use std::variant<string+hashmap<variant>+int+float+bool+....> and that was quite clean in fact

qvariant

XDDD

Ewan

qvariant

oh

k2d222

i've seen a codebase use std::variant<string+hashmap<variant>+int+float+bool+....> and that was quite clean in fact

weren't u shader coder?

1:15PM

or do u also know cpp

I know cpp

1:16PM

some of it

every time i do gui in anything but qt i feel like blowing my brains out

1:16PM

nothing make sense like it does

1:16PM

this is why they can charge thousands of dollars for a commercial license

but why

1:17PM

JSX is the cleanest way to describe an UI imo

1:17PM

or TSX

have you used qt?

never used qt. What's so good about it?

Ewan

have you used qt?

not for a project bigger than a few buttons

Teero

never used qt. What's so good about it?

^ but maybe u can explain this

1:18PM

but i used stuff like java ui(whatever it was called), win32 native UI, VCL

Jupstar ✪

^ but maybe u can explain this

I can see the link to the wiki page incoming xdd

u thinking of swing

1:19PM

i will explain later when my brain is not tied up

https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_for_Beginners

Qt for Beginners

1:20PM

when i scroll through this. i have to say it's basically like most oldschool GUI libs

1:20PM

debatable

u dont like oxygen

There is a thing like qteditor right?

1:21PM

Time to make a ddnet gui editor

https://react.dev/learn/tutorial-tic-tac-toe

Tutorial: Tic-Tac-Toe – React

The library for web and native user interfaces

Jupstar ✪

https://react.dev/learn/tutorial-tic-tac-toe

@Ewan look this example in comparision

1:22PM

a function is a gui component

1:22PM

and u use hooks to track the state

1:22PM

that gives a clean hierarchy (edited)

1:23PM

but tbf, javascript is slow af

1:23PM

that's defs an obvious problem

1:24PM

rust alternative

1:24PM

https://github.com/DioxusLabs/dioxus

GitHub - DioxusLabs/dioxus: Fullstack GUI library for desktop, web,...

Fullstack GUI library for desktop, web, mobile, and more. - GitHub - DioxusLabs/dioxus: Fullstack GUI library for desktop, web, mobile, and more.

1:24PM

xd

1:25PM

the biggest plus for egui is that it's insanely easy to write the backend for it.. so u can easily integrate it into your own game engine

this is the same appeal as dearimgui (edited)

yes

1:26PM

it's basically the rust version of it xd

bleh

if i could use html+css i'd prefer that tho.. even tho it's already very bloated xd

1:27PM

it simply is more powerful

maybe

1:29PM

i've used that the second most but it's not my second most favorite

1:29PM

i wish u could just figma it all

1:30PM

i did this mockup in figma lol

Ewan

i did this mockup in figma lol

nice

1:32PM

do u become ddnet-ui dev

1:32PM

hehe

i've done a bunch already

robyte's enemy

1:32PM

xd

it's horrible

1:32PM

there is so much to optimize

1:32PM

makes me sweat even thinking about it

what i actually dislike most is having to use static objects for the GUI IDs

1:33PM

that basically makes it impossible to reuse any code

1:33PM

since if two objects with same ID are on screen, both are the same

yeah

1:34PM

should just use pointers

1:34PM

smh

should try to automatically guess the IDs

1:34PM

like egui xd

1:34PM

only very rarely u need to set IDs manually

1:34PM

same for react btw

yea

1:52PM

gg ez

1

1:58PM

or interpolated

1:58PM

watever

oh yeah thats much better

Ewan

Click to see attachment 🖼️

this probably reserved for keyboard navigation

1:59PM

okay naptime at 8 am

1:59PM

then i wake up at the usual 2pm and prosper

1:59PM

is it just me or is kog tab broken

kog.tw is down

lol are you trying to play kog

2:00PM

yucky

2:00PM

seems to work for me anyway

go to sleep you before you hear smth you don't want

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this is usa at 8 am

kog tab xd

yea i went there

2:01PM

and it worked

Jupstar ✪

kog tab xd

not me neither (edited)

kok

Ewan

this is usa at 8 am

u need to advertise more in us (edited)

perhaps

Ewan

i did this mockup in figma lol

wait whats the scheme for again

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7351 Fix client crash on player info snapshot item with invalid ID

The player info snapshot item (CNetObj_PlayerInfo) has its own m_ClientID member variable in addition to the generic snapshot item ID. The snapshot item ID was only used to set m_Snap.m_LocalClientID but without being checked for invalid values. Now it is checked that both IDs are identical and only m_ClientID is used consistently.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related c...

k2d222

kog.tw is down

hehehehehehe, scalalable solutions, docker.., kubernetes.. but it still goes down

4:00PM

Jupstar ✪

weren't u shader coder?

@Tater is the shadertoy user ^^

Ryozuki

hehehehehehe, scalalable solutions, docker.., kubernetes.. but it still goes down

The website is not on the K3s cluster

Qt is just bog standard retained mode ui

queue tee

4:35PM

@Robyt3 what r ur next projects xd

Currently just fixing various bugs and refactoring. I also want to add an external console to the client to interact with the local server

fix c++

4:37PM

(by using

)

@Robyt3 when do we start writing a launcher xdd

Jupstar ✪

@Robyt3 when do we start writing a launcher xdd

This is not the worst idea btw

Jupstar ✪

@Robyt3 when do we start writing a launcher xdd

Ah, true that was also an idea we had

oh ye

At the very least a trampoline so we can do updates properly

one day i started with tauri but i forgot

Robyt3

Currently just fixing various bugs and refactoring. I also want to add an external console to the client to interact with the local server

my small request about econ in client is to support more than 1 console xd

Robyt3

Ah, true that was also an idea we had

nice, then let's remove the main window at that point

4:38PM

and add a "skip launcher" option

4:38PM

and write in rust

wth is launcher

a launcher

in tee paradigma

Grenade launcher

like mc launcher

and what will change

4:39PM

one launcher to launch ddnet client only xd

gerdoe

and what will change

we can move like updater into it

The main reason why we need it is to detect the client crashing, so the launcher can change the graphics settings

we can select graphic settings

updater, file integrity checker, easier to do in rust because decoupled

we can have multiple client support xd

move news there

totally not why i want this

4:39PM

download a software vulkan driver

4:39PM

driver updater

4:39PM

xdd

xDDD

Ryozuki

updater, file integrity checker, easier to do in rust because decoupled

All of those would be much better in a launcher, though given this community’s distaste of everything mew, I’m sure someone is getting shot for it

4:40PM

new*

@Learath2 that would be you sir

4:40PM

Learath2

All of those would be much better in a launcher, though given this community’s distaste of everything mew, I’m sure someone is getting shot for it

as long as it has a clear visible "skip launcher" it's ok i think

Launchers are always disliked I guess

@Learath2 we should invent a developer that doesnt exist

i will launch ddnet client manually without launcher if it will be a thing in the future

and put the blame on it

I’ll do the commits and move to new zealand to hide from the cultists

so no actual person is harmed

4:40PM

we just say that dev did it

4:41PM

and it doesnt exist

4:41PM

Robyt3

Launchers are always disliked I guess

our ugly main screen isn't really better IMO

its good actually

4:41PM

as simple as it needs to be

I would honestly have an invisible trampoline

4:42PM

Only visible when stuff is getting updated or a crash happened last launch/this launch or some button is held to open gfx settings

Ryozuki

we just say that dev did it

We should invent an entire admin actually, they could be responsible for everything

and if someone wants to chat with it

4:43PM

we put it behind chatgpt

i want it like this

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

missing ddnet-rs

Ryozuki

we just say that dev did it

shawshank reference

Ryozuki

missing ddnet-rs

2.0 = rust

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Mhhhhhhhhh do we have to have multiple client support pepeW

Learath2

Mhhhhhhhhh do we have to have multiple client support pepeW

yes

bcs heinrich dislikes breaking backward compability

4:44PM

and i dont see any other chance to promote a new client

Learath2

Jupstar ✪

bcs heinrich dislikes breaking backward compability

You want to make a backwards incompatible client just to spite him?

yes

4:44PM

break compat in every way, while improving obv

Learath2

You want to make a backwards incompatible client just to spite him?

no

4:45PM

i want to make it so ddnet has a chance to get better

4:45PM

but as long as half of the devs are against it

change map format, change protocol, disregard old distros and use newer dependencies

i prefer we just support both

Ryozuki

break compat in every way, while improving obv

No, don’t improve anything, just remove all backwards compat, that would be hilarious

xDD

4:45PM

just to troll

remove opengl 1 and 3.3 support

4:45PM

vulkan master race

u

And 2

1.4 is best renderer

4:46PM

old tee vibes

Wait did we already remove gl2/3.0?

also compile with a newer glibc just to make people update their distro

4:46PM

use trunk kernel

4:46PM

kek

Learath2

Wait did we already remove gl2/3.0?

no, u can continue waiting

4:47PM

xd

we should use all vulkan 1.2 and 1.3 extensions

4:47PM

yes xd

4:48PM

ALL

Ryozuki

also compile with a newer glibc just to make people update their distro

We should make a kernel driver that only works on the very latest kernel, than have the userland client make sure that the module is loaded

even if we dont need them

Every game has a cool kernel driver now

and then blame gpu drivers

Learath2

We should make a kernel driver that only works on the very latest kernel, than have the userland client make sure that the module is loaded

xd

bugs

Nice, I'd love to also learn Windows driver programming monkaStop

We can also check that gpu model matches the pattern 40xx

Robyt3

Nice, I'd love to also learn Windows driver programming monkaStop

the requirement is to always add the ad injector or telemetry

4:49PM

otherwise ur driver wont be accepted

4:49PM

The driver comes with better anticheat than VAC justatest

Robyt3

Nice, I'd love to also learn Windows driver programming monkaStop

I did a couple things once, mostly just experimenting

lets add a ring 0 kernel anti cheat

Ryozuki

lets add a ring 0 kernel anti cheat

No one would trust us tbf

4:51PM

Including you

It would be impossible to install the driver on Windows without allowing untrusted drivers somewhere

Extremely popular games get to shove it down peoples throats because what will you do? Not play VALORANT?

Robyt3

It would be impossible to install the driver on Windows without allowing untrusted drivers somewhere

We apply for and pay for a driver signing certificate ofc

so all maintainers agree we need launcher, epic awesome

4:52PM

nice

Learath2

We apply for and pay for a driver signing certificate ofc

Only like $200/year

Jupstar ✪

so all maintainers agree we need launcher, epic awesome

I bet we’ll all disagree on what it should be like

Learath2

I bet we’ll all disagree on what it should be like

yeah that's why i talked about it

4:53PM

robyte now knows what i need

And the players will hate it even if it’s completely invisible because it’s hip to hate things

It's would a nice separate project for someone to start in rust

Learath2

And the players will hate it even if it’s completely invisible because it’s hip to hate things

as said, fat ass "SKIP LAUNCHER BRO, NEVER SEE IT AGAIN" button

The launcher could be invisible the entire time like @Learath2 suggested

Jupstar ✪

as said, fat ass "SKIP LAUNCHER BRO, NEVER SEE IT AGAIN" button

They will know that it exists and be annoyed at that

we all agree the launcher will be written in rust

4:55PM

safety first

Ryozuki

we all agree the launcher will be written in rust

No, it’ll be written in electron

xd

JSX

400 MB for the launcher

4:55PM

2mb for game

Jupstar ✪

400 MB for the launcher

1GB atleast

4:56PM

Also let’s make it 32bit

Learath2

Also let’s make it 32bit

lmao

4:56PM

lets use SDL2 renderer

if we dont need to render web, a launcher with rust and iced

4:56PM

the average memory usage would be like 5mb i think

4:56PM

https://iced.rs/

the launcher just needs a fancy background image tbh

4:57PM

then u almost can't fail

4:57PM

look at any game launcher

https://docs.rs/iced/latest/iced/

iced - Rust

Iced is a cross-platform GUI library focused on simplicity and type-safety. Inspired by Elm.

they pretty simplistic

If we want to support news then we need HTML I guess

not rly

Unless it's really simple like in the client

we just parse the html

4:58PM

and display it ourselves

4:58PM

a rly simple html renderer

The launcher should just be invisible

aka just parse bold tags

4:58PM

and links

Ryozuki

we just parse the html

Ryozuki

we just parse the html

With regex

xdd

4:58PM

insert SO question here

4:58PM

Learath2

The launcher should just be invisible

first time should be visible to show discord links etc. similar to current main page inside client

4:58PM

or home page

4:58PM

it's there to replace that page

@Learath2 we could also add feature votes in launcher

It shouldn't be extra work for deen, so it should either parse the news directly from the website or directly from the info json

Jupstar ✪

first time should be visible to show discord links etc. similar to current main page inside client

I meant as in no gui should ever exist for it, except for an emergency gfx settings editor and crash reporter

run server goes into LAN tab

4:59PM

rest is also in server browser

Robyt3

It shouldn't be extra work for deen, so it should either parse the news directly from the website or directly from the info json

ye info json

Robyt3

If we want to support news then we need HTML I guess

rss less goo

Learath2

I meant as in no gui should ever exist for it, except for an emergency gfx settings editor and crash reporter

bruh we need 4k raytracing

Jupstar ✪

bruh we need 4k raytracing

Yes, ddnet but with god rays

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Next to "Run server" I'd want a Settings-icon button to configure the local server

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

On widescreen I really would want a side panel with the news in it instead of hidden away in a corner

Robyt3

Next to "Run server" I'd want a Settings-icon button to configure the local server

fine, but imo we don't need it there. could also be in LAN tab.. but yeah

5:01PM

dunno

yeah, would also be useful to have the "Run server" button in the LAN tab

5:02PM

Otherwise I always start the server, go the LAN tab, and need to refresh again

Learath2

All of those would be much better in a launcher, though given this community’s distaste of everything mew, I’m sure someone is getting shot for it

I wouldn't exactly like a separate window before launching the client. I'd be fine with one showing up if the ddnet client doesn't show up itself. otherwise it's just a distraction. firefox doesn't open a launcher either

See, there is no way all of us ever agree on anything

?

5:04PM

he said he doesnt like a seperate window

5:04PM

that also applies to the current main page

Robyt3

If we want to support news then we need HTML I guess

just open it in the browser at that point IMO

Jupstar ✪

that also applies to the current main page

I highly doubt that’s what he meant. I’d bet money on it

Learath2

See, there is no way all of us ever agree on anything

I agree ;)

Learath2

I highly doubt that’s what he meant. I’d bet money on it

does firefox have that screen?

Yes, it’s the home screen

5:06PM

This thing

1

anyway, not everyone has to agree

5:06PM

there is a skip button

Someone should just make the bare minimum invisible launcher and push it through quickly at night before all the devs wake up

5:07PM

Maybe no one will even notice

invisible launcher seems fine

5:07PM

if it doesn't delay the start too much

heinrich5991

if it doesn't delay the start too much

Ideally it should just do a couple stat calls, a handful of read calls, and an exec

probably fork and exec?

I think a launcher would be meaningful if you could set different mods or smt like mc. But in the case of ddnet we have no mods :O. (I'm talking about the client btw).

here, finished the launcher

4

heinrich5991

invisible launcher seems fine

well it should open first time

5:11PM

to emulate the home page

5:11PM

which will be gone

5:11PM

discord link etc.

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

this one

Jupstar ✪

which will be gone

See no way we all ever agree on this

Learath2

See no way we all ever agree on this

we don't have to

I don't think the main menu should be going anywhere. You already decided it's gone

heinrich says he wants backward compability bcs he doesnt want to drop support for 1% of players so we can effort to have a launcher for another 1%

Learath2

I don't think the main menu should be going anywhere. You already decided it's gone

it's useless after seeing it once and has no "don't show again"

5:22PM

so yes

5:22PM

decided

Very team player, much wow

yeah

5:23PM

team player

5:23PM

#7258

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7258

Remove warning popup for pnglite-incompatible images by Robyt3 · Pu...

Remove warning popup when loading images which are not compatible with pnglite. The number of users of client versions older than 16.3, which is the version in which pnglite was replace with libpng...

everyone pro

5:23PM

1 person against

5:23PM

very team play

Learath2

Very team player, much wow

so then tell me your reason against it, if u dislike it so much

Jupstar ✪

so then tell me your reason against it, if u dislike it so much

I don't dislike a launcher. I dislike that we are removing the main menu. I like the main menu

Learath2

I don't dislike a launcher. I dislike that we are removing the main menu. I like the main menu

do you feel like the main menu looks good?

5:30PM

visually

It's lacking a news section imo, it can use more density. But overall yes, it looks decent imho

5:31PM

Maybe moving some stuff around, sure. But removing it completely isn't something I'd be for

i don't want to lie, i find it rather ugly. Imagine you start a game and this is the first thing you see...

add a twinbop

5:32PM

some fanservice

Jupstar ✪

i don't want to lie, i find it rather ugly. Imagine you start a game and this is the first thing you see...

What do you think is wrong with it?

5:32PM

It has our logo, it has buttons for all the things you might want to do. The browser interface is far more overwhelming to someone that just opened the game evr

5:33PM

Ever*

Learath2

What do you think is wrong with it?

similar to what you said, i dislike it being so open the icons look weirdly placed (behind the button) the logo should be wider (go over the buttons) "Quit" just looks shit bottom right fits nothing like bottom left

5:34PM

so the symmetry is missing here

5:34PM

we could e.g. in the right bottom show the current tee, and put a customize button

5:34PM

to give it more personality

It's only so empty in widescreen btw, it looks better composed in 4:3

was about to say that xD

ok but i guess most ppl start it in 16:9

5:35PM

at least frist time

Yeah, I would love to maybe add news or maybe the tee as you say to it in widescreen where we have the space

and our theme maps are also rather boring

5:36PM

maybe bit more grass etc.

5:36PM

not just a sun with wrongly animated clouds xD

But removing it, I honestly haven't ever thought about. I think some sort of hub page like this is necessary for people starting the game for the first time

Learath2

But removing it, I honestly haven't ever thought about. I think some sort of hub page like this is necessary for people starting the game for the first time

well launcher does that

Mh, maybe if we add launch flags to the game and launch into a certain page, but even then that's meh UX, we don't want people closing the client and going back to the launcher for the hub page

Learath2

Mh, maybe if we add launch flags to the game and launch into a certain page, but even then that's meh UX, we don't want people closing the client and going back to the launcher for the hub page

well the main page can stay

5:38PM

it should just not be default

5:39PM

once u seen it, u probably never care again about it

It should be the default. People that don't want it should disable it themselves

at least all ppl i know asked me how to disable it

Learath2

It should be the default. People that don't want it should disable it themselves

hidden in the settings

5:39PM

not very user friendly imo

It's mostly for new people. 1337 haxors and cool gamers that have no time for menus can disable it

Learath2

It's mostly for new people. 1337 haxors and cool gamers that have no time for menus can disable it

@Tater didnt even know it about 2 weeks ago (https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1147989915351662602) (edited)

5:40PM

and he is like top notch client dev

isn't it a new thing though?

no

Not very new

it was there since the main page exist

:O I too didn't know it. Just recently saw a conversation about it and I thought it was added recently

Honestly never once felt like that one extra click to get into the game was an inconvenience but I have a feeling that I'm not allowed to make that comment since my playtime last year was too low to have any opinion

yeah

5:42PM

i open client 5-10 times per day

5:42PM

sucks

5:42PM

i die internally

But dw, I started playing with murpi again. I'll be allowed opinions soon

nice

5:42PM

wb

5:42PM

xd

I open client around 10-20 times too but never felt it to be a problem.

5:43PM

I just tap doulbe enter ;)

I actually open and close the client a lot too. I play fng between games of league

Mr.Gh0s7

I open client around 10-20 times too but never felt it to be a problem.

but was it also no problem when it got introduced?

5:43PM

now it's in your muscle memory

The main screen was introduced? Wasn't it always there? xD

Jupstar ✪

but was it also no problem when it got introduced?

Honestly? No I never even thought about it. I was playing a lot back then too

Mr.Gh0s7

The main screen was introduced? Wasn't it always there? xD

lmao

5:44PM

it was introduced in like ddnet 14 or smth

5:44PM

around steam release

The first time I thought about the extra click was a couple weeks ago when people were talking about it in here

Jupstar ✪

it was introduced in like ddnet 14 or smth

ah yeah

I use the demo viewer from launch enough that I don't mind the main menu (edited)

but the button also exist in the server browser

So small

5:49PM

Idk 90% of the launch time is the client loading not clicking the menu

for me client starts instant

5:49PM

hardware issue

Bruh how

5:50PM

Does skins make it slower

100%

5:50PM

we load everything single threaded

5:50PM

one after each other

5:50PM

so u have the storage access delay every time

Mmm

5:51PM

I still think it's nice to have it, makes it feel like a real game (edited)

Someone needs to add lazy loading of skins

5:51PM

Or just load them on a separate thread

Tater

I still think it's nice to have it, makes it feel like a real game (edited)

before we need a main menu, we need better music

5:51PM

Optimally, someone needs to write a better job system first

Robyt3

Optimally, someone needs to write a better job system first

Honestly, doing it PROPERLY is very hard. Technically io bound jobs can be scheduled much differently than cpu bound ones

5:53PM

Folly and similar future/promise solutions have 2 separate pools for those

5:53PM

Then you get into stuff like chaining where you need to think about what gets executed in which pool when.

see

5:54PM

that's why we need ddnet 2.0

Sometimes you want the chained job to go back in the queue, sometimes you want it executed inline

it starts instant

In Rust one just ignores all that complexity and hopes tokio devs have it all right, maybe we should use a library for it too?

That's why we need ddOS, so you can preload DDNet into memory immediately and your OS is the launcher (edited)

short flex

Robyt3

That's why we need ddOS, so you can preload DDNet into memory immediately and your OS is the launcher (edited)

No OS, only ddnet. We can put the launcher into MBR

Jupstar ✪

short flex

Loads too fast. I don't like it

btw what happened to Chiller? It's been a while since I saw him

Mr.Gh0s7

btw what happened to Chiller? It's been a while since I saw him

He overdosed on 0.7

xd

5:57PM

after robyte said he dislikes 0.7

Ah it all makes sense now

direct rq

He was so close to getting his 0.7 support into the client

5:57PM

But then chaos

I don't dislike 0.7, but adding 45 TODOs was a bit too much

Robyt3

I don't dislike 0.7, but adding 45 TODOs was a bit too much

it's ok, come to the jupstar side

5:58PM

newer is better

5:58PM

quality > quanitity

5:58PM

performance is everything

5:59PM

when a user starts ddnet he must feel "I deserved that"

Jupstar ✪

quality > quanitity

Except when it comes to frame count?

Remove all backwards compatibility for next April 1st

Learath2

Except when it comes to frame count?

if the quality clearly overweights the fps argument i can live with that

5:59PM

but everything should feel instant

5:59PM

and smooth

You need to get to 5.391 * 10^44 frames per second ASAP

6:00PM

We can render directly into spacetime

Jupstar ✪

but everything should feel instant

instant server joining

6:01PM

another short flex

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

If just looks wrong, you need to add a couple sleeps

i need to hook into javascript

6:02PM

call sleep

6:02PM

and then go back

6:02PM

full js runtime deps

Start a 68030 emulator, sleep on there in a nop loop, then go on

ddnet 2.0 should have split screen support

kek

and mutli mouse support

u want another flex?

Mr.Gh0s7

and mutli mouse support

that's actually hard xd

ye ik xD

x11 multiple mouse support is hilarous

2

I tried implemented smt like that with libinput but it's so hard that I didn't get anywhere

Jupstar ✪

u want another flex?

ye

Mr.Gh0s7

ye

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1147541187671113748

Ah yeah I remember that xD

but tbf that's more the power of using no global variables

6:07PM

than anything else

6:08PM

i archieved similar stuff with cpp version

But I meant split-screen support as being able to plug another keyboard and mouse and play with those too. So it goes hand in hand with multi-mouse support :/

Mr.Gh0s7

But I meant split-screen support as being able to plug another keyboard and mouse and play with those too. So it goes hand in hand with multi-mouse support :/

yes, the problem here is really just winit support for it

6:09PM

else i'd say it's ez

6:09PM

if only x11 supports it, then it probably untested af xd

Jupstar ✪

but tbf that's more the power of using no global variables

I thought about a demo player preview in the browser but that would be equivalent to creating an entire new client inside the client due to the global variables

Robyt3

I thought about a demo player preview in the browser but that would be equivalent to creating an entire new client inside the client due to the global variables

my client is constructed so, that u can view demos ingame even

hmm as k2d2 said x11 mutli pointer support isn't good. I think the only viable solution would be to use libinput for linux and equivalents for win/mac/bsd

but tbf i don't have demo support yet xD

6:10PM

just thought about the hierarchy

If it's structured well it shouldn't matter if the snapshots and messages are from a server or from a demo file

yes

6:12PM

well i hope i can hurry a bit until like end of the year

6:12PM

then i can maybe show some stuff

6:12PM

currently i worked on DPI aware UI

6:12PM

with zooming support

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7352 Replace static variables in MouseRelative with member variable

Avoid using a global variable for last mouse position on Android.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or ...

Why is our jobpool only using two threads anyway?

6:51PM

I'd probably go for 2 * std::thread::hardware_concurrency() + 2 many threads for now (edited)

why the 2*?

std::thread::hardware_concurrency() + 1

So more threads can wait on I/O

6:52PM

We don't assume the jobs are all doing useful work, no?

will be funny to have a job pool with 34 threads

Robyt3

So more threads can wait on I/O

ah right we dont use green threads

Robyt3

I'd probably go for 2 * std::thread::hardware_concurrency() + 2 many threads for now (edited)

The idle threads would be waiting on a semaphore so that's fine. Though their stacks would be allocated, but I think our stack footprint is tiny on job pool runners so it just might be doable

GitHub

Click to see attachment 🖼️

on android? is mobile client coming back after all?

Voxel

on android? is mobile client coming back after all?

It improve the code quality even if Android is unused right now

7:11PM

We could probably compile an Android version, but then people would complain because there is no input method unless you connect mouse/keyboard/controller

No joystick buttons like the other mobile client?

We'd have to add something like that, I don't know other mobile clients or even the old version we have

Robyt3

Launchers are always disliked I guess

especially for small games like ddnet

Learath2

They will know that it exists and be annoyed at that

it will eat the last MB of memory on potato PC

Chairn

it will eat the last MB of memory on potato PC

The game will truly be ruined forever

Chairn

it will eat the last MB of memory on potato PC

what kind of launchers do u use lmao

Powered by electron

but srsly, a simple launcher shouldn't be a problem xd

Jupstar ✪

but srsly, a simple launcher shouldn't be a problem xd

Yeah, we are just joking around

7:28PM

An invisible one or a simple one is not even a resource consideration

7:28PM

An electron one I would just leave the team over

Learath2

Yeah, we are just joking around

i dunno, chairn is serious af xd

He is a phd afterall

well then, i take it back

7:30PM

he is allowed to use win7

1

7:30PM

xd

He is serious about the earlier comment though probably. People do dislike launchers

Launchers are often done completely wrong, just add extra clicks and spyware

Waaaay back in 2004 when I first started gaming people didn't like launchers

Robyt3

Launchers are often done completely wrong, just add extra clicks and spyware

Yes, this was soo common, cluttered weird apps full of ads

Learath2

He is serious about the earlier comment though probably. People do dislike launchers

first comment is kinda serious, second is joke

7:34PM

invisible one is probably fine, i think users shouldn't need one more click to start the game

7:34PM

psychological barriers are powerful repellents

Learath2

He is serious about the earlier comment though probably. People do dislike launchers

i dunno, which ppl u mean?

7:35PM

minecraft launcher is quite liked i think

7:35PM

they like launchers like origin

7:35PM

bcs they arent just launchers

7:35PM

they are whole OS

back in 2008- i remember launchers from MMOs

Jupstar ✪

i dunno, which ppl u mean?

I'm not talking about any specific person. I'm just thinking back to my time playing shitty mmorpgs and gunz

looking forward to download the game

now that i think about it, we could have separate map editor and skin manager, stuff like that

7:36PM

though mappers will probably dont like not being able to map and chat at the same time

7:37PM

good memories

Learath2

I'm not talking about any specific person. I'm just thinking back to my time playing shitty mmorpgs and gunz

The private servers that ditched the launcher were always appreciated

classic mmo launcher

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Grandchase was such a vibe. I hosted a private server for a couple months

i played grand chase back then

7:37PM

also another one about golfing

7:37PM

weeb ofc

7:38PM

hmm and more stuff

7:38PM

7:39PM

i was an advanced weeb already kek

7:39PM

this game was on wii too iirc

I used to play grandchase, florensia, metin 2, knight online. Some very meh games

this is a golf mmo

7:39PM

xddd

7:40PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PangYa

PangYa

PangYa (Korean: 팡야, "Bang!", known as PangYa Exhilarating Golf in Japan) was an online multiplayer casual golf simulation game designed by Korean development company Ntreev Soft and NCSoft. From 2005 until March 2009, the game was known as Albatross18 in North America. On March 8, 2009, control of the game was passed from OGPlanet to SG Interact...

Funnily enough I think the first anime I ever watched was like when I was finishing up highschool. I resisted the weeb for very long

Learath2

Funnily enough I think the first anime I ever watched was like when I was finishing up highschool. I resisted the weeb for very long

they put dragon ball (bola de drac in catalan) on tv

7:40PM

so i got anime from tv

7:41PM

also one piece

7:41PM

dragon ball dub in catalan is iconic

7:41PM

(im talking about when goku is a kid)

7:41PM

this

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the catalan dub itself has fans, it was that good

When I was a wee youngling, we had anime on tv aswell, but I got unlucky. Erdogan got elected and decided anime was degeneracy, so I never got to watch any

big f

We had dubbed one piece and dubbed dragon ballz

here now they even put modern anime

7:42PM

i was demon slayer on tv

7:42PM

saw*

Ryozuki

i was demon slayer on tv

If demon slayer was aired on tv in turkey, they would shoot up the channel nowadays

xd

Waaay too much fanservice in that one

Ware is ddnet fan service?

well not that much but i guess

7:44PM

we need to make a oldschool ddnet launcher

7:44PM

3d buttons

veloren also has a launcher

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/debugger/how-to-set-a-thread-name-in-native-code?view=vs-2022#set-a-thread-name-by-throwing-an-exception

Set a Thread Name in Native Code - Visual Studio (Windows)

Set a thread name in native code during multithreaded app debugging in Visual Studio. Thread naming is used to keep track of threads in the Threads window.

7:55PM

How to set a thread name on Windows

Ryozuki

they put dragon ball (bola de drac in catalan) on tv

speaking of dragon ball, that was the dragonball mmo launcher:

8:01PM

oh ye xd

do u know that game?

please don't

i think itried it

i played it xd

8:02PM

to max lvl xd

8:02PM

the launcher was cool, bcs everything that is white in the pic above was transparent so shenlong went over the edges

Jupstar ✪

the launcher was cool, bcs everything that is white in the pic above was transparent so shenlong went over the edges

This gui was cool for a while. Lot's of transparent irregular guis came out for a moment

xd

just make the swap bigger /s

Learath2

Click to see attachment 🖼️

pokemon in like 300KB xd

8:35PM

good old days

Jupstar ✪

pokemon in like 300KB xd

I have this hunch that you watched that video on that one dude training an ML algo to finish pokemon red

https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/pokemon-lets-go-pikachu-eevee/a/aa/Screen_Shot_2018-11-16_at_1.21.49_AM.jpg?width=1280 i bet every bush here is bigger than whole pokemon blue, red, green combined xD

Learath2

I have this hunch that you watched that video on that one dude training an ML algo to finish pokemon red

KEK

8:36PM

it got recommended to me

8:36PM

probs bcs google knows we talking here

Learath2

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Developers now: Let's just add DLSS/FSR as an excuse to not optimize

Ew

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7353 Minor refactoring of engine jobpool

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Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[X] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet...

@Robyt3 does windows do lazy allocations for thread stacks?

I don't know, but I wouldn't really expect it for Windows. You can specify the stack size when creating the thread (one of the 0's means default)

what even is the current default stack size on modern windows?

8:46PM

i remember it was like 16 KBytes

8:46PM

some day xd

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/procthread/thread-stack-size

8:48PM

"The default size for the reserved and initially committed stack memory is specified in the executable file header"

8:48PM

Whatever is specified in our file header then ...

k

On linux we could madvise away the threads stacks after a while

8:55PM

We very rarely have more than one job usually

on linux stack is lazy allocated anyway

That could change quickly if we load every image in another job

Jupstar ✪

on linux stack is lazy allocated anyway

But as soon as we use it it'll be forever allocated

8MB or whatever ur limit is, is really just the limit

def-

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

9baeae9 Add 79 € funding by Insanity - def-

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 7 new commits

9cbbc0a Replace static variables in MouseRelative with member variable - Robyt3 97c1046 Add assertions to ensure that thread_init is successful - Robyt3 2dcec64 Use std::vector for jobpool threads - Robyt3 ba5a974 Increase jobpool thread count based on hardware concurrency - Robyt3 2235231 Give jobpool worker threads different names based on index - Robyt3 0666646 Merge pull request #7352 from Robyt3/Engine-Input-Antistatic - def- 042a04d Merge pull request #7353 from Robyt3/Engine-Jobpool-Refactoring - def-

10:49PM

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7352 Replace static variables in MouseRelative with member variable

10:49PM

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7353 Minor refactoring of engine jobpool

Voxel

wait whats the scheme for again

something which will never be merged

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

1a83a17 Fix client crash on player info snapshot item with invalid ID - Robyt3 a60eb31 Merge pull request #7351 from Robyt3/Client-Snap-PlayerInfo-Crash-Fix - def-

10:54PM

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7351 Fix client crash on player info snapshot item with invalid ID

Robyt3

How to set a thread name on Windows

check how rust does it ^^