DDraceNetwork - developer

how do people find time to do stuff. pepeW

02:49

I feel like I'm always busy

02:49

and I kept sleeping through weekends

02:49

the worst

good morning european gang

i don't think they are up quite yet

05:58

but hi fred

Ewan

i don't think they are up quite yet

Yes they should

i usually see them up at 2

06:05

it's 12 for me

06:05

but idk man

morning

mornin

morning

06:17

with a coffee

sweet

06:20

i made some cold brew

06:20

it's nice

06:20

all the ones u buy in a bottle at the store have a weird aftertaste

06:20

mine does not. tastes like coffee

06:21

i consider this a win

Ryozuki

with a coffee

Ewan

i made some cold brew

what does this mean

07:12

cold coffee?

07:12

im not knowledgeable

it’s brewed by long exposure to the grounds at a lower temperature

07:12

as opposed to a short exposure at high temp

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7327 Show correct max length in help text for MACRO_CONFIG_STR

07:17

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

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@Ryozuki are you a coffee addict

idk

07:31

i take 2-3 a day

wdym take

07:31

like you take your coffee like a pill or smth

drink

07:31

xd

07:31

mimimimi

also 2 or 3 sounds a lot actually

07:32

for me at least

weak

07:32

true tho (edited)

why r u chatting

07:33

u should be working

07:33

i don't want to

07:44

hired a new guy and I was taking him around and introducing him to the team and project

07:44

i'm already tired

07:44

weird i don’t remember any of this

does 6-7 cups of tea a day count as addiction? pepeW

Zwelf

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7328 Save/load ninja

Add ninja state to save string. Previously ninja was lost during load.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[x] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options

[x] Tested save/load on new version

[x] Tested old save string that had ninja and that didn't have ninja

[x] Tested with practice mode

[x] I looked at the save string to make sure it looks sane
[ ] Written a unit test (espe...

NikProgramer

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7329 Switching freeze stars and slider

Why not add a switch that will return 3 stars instead of a new frieze strip? I think many old ddnet players will enjoy playing with stars and the ninja effect after hitting and entering freeze.

アリヂン

does 6-7 cups of tea a day count as addiction? pepeW

I was wondering how you would drink tees until I realised that I read it wrong

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アリヂン

does 6-7 cups of tea a day count as addiction? pepeW

Yes: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032723010820 (/s)

New form of addiction: An emerging hazardous addiction problem of m...

Milk tea has experienced tremendous growth in popularity in China, especially among youths. The primary objective of this study is to investigate whet…

I think Milk tea here is referring boba milk tea which is just a sugary drink. Given it is conducted in China and the authors are primarily Chinese.

09:39

6-7 bobas per day would be an explosive amount of sugar intake kek

I don't have boba very often but whenever I do it's always half sugar

i always read boba as booba

09:46

i dont drink any sugary drinks

09:46

coke zero too

09:46

xd

Ryozuki

i always read boba as booba

Good reason to drink boba

well maybe some has little sugar but u know

09:47

coffee without sugar too

Ryozuki

i dont drink any sugary drinks

Yeah, it’s pretty rare for me too

u know its so easy to drink them

09:47

and they have as much calories as a full meal

09:47

xdd

09:47

i saw some insta story

09:47

like 700 cals

Sometimes I’ll get this urge to have one of those extremely sugary starbucks drinks, but other than that not really

a big mcdonalds drink somewhere in america

09:48

the only time i went to starbucks was on japan

09:48

cuz i didnt know where to breakfast

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xd

09:49

i went to the starbucks at shibuya

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where u have a view

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of the whole street

Ah, yep it’s a cool view

all seats separated by walls

09:49

pretty japanese

I had a drink in starbucks japan that was completely baffling. It was like just cream with a bit of sugar and ice

xd

09:53

omg

09:54

@Learath2 does clang not support mtune

09:54

https://bugs.gentoo.org/915464

09:54

ok it isnt that

09:56

oh

09:56

i think firefox is trying to use clang 17

Ryozuki

@Learath2 does clang not support mtune

It should, the command line interface is usually not different

OH

09:58

its trying to use clang 17 from usr local

09:59

which i installed cuz mlir

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xdd

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7328 Save/load ninja

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

9be7ad5 Save/load ninja - Zwelf f81af72 Merge pull request #7328 from Zwelf/pr-save-ninja - def-

I'd just drink diet pepsi

Learath2

I had a drink in starbucks japan that was completely baffling. It was like just cream with a bit of sugar and ice

you can probably tell your local starbucks to make you exactly that if you know what's in it?

TsFreddie

you can probably tell your local starbucks to make you exactly that if you know what's in it?

Why would I, it wasn't enjoyable at all

10:49

Just a cup full of sweetened cream sold as a Frappuccino

@Learath2 did u finish uni yet

Ryozuki

@Learath2 did u finish uni yet

One more exam, neverending uni pepeW

xd

https://ardour.org/

the open source cross-platform DAW

11:26

i am once again building llvm 17

11:26

11:26

TsFreddie

also 2 or 3 sounds a lot actually

i think 5 is the lower bound for too many coffees

Learath2

One more exam, neverending uni pepeW

are you looking for internship

?

11:51

are you interested in fault injection ?

Ryozuki

i wanna be alive when C is obsolete and ppl think of it like fortran or cobol rn

fortran still lives, it's in the backend of numpy, for example. but I agree that at least cobol (maybe also fortran, not sure) is viewed as obsolete

@Chairn do internships pay well?

11:57

its sad but the world will probs not pay what learath initially deserves

no, we're public service, so the bare legal minimum

11:57

so 550€/month i think

damn

11:58

thats low

11:58

@Learath2 just find a company showing off ur github and contributions to ddnet, tell thjem to ask u C questions

11:58

and u get a well paid job xd

Ryozuki

thats low

and it needs to be at least 8 weeks, otherwise it's unpaid

well in spain its 3-4 months

11:59

and unpaid

11:59

unless u reach a agreement which is usually not case

11:59

and u have to do it

11:59

well im not talking about uni internships

11:59

idk how they do those there

11:59

but probs the same ngl

Ryozuki

ddnet is among the open source game with highest concurrent players

ozu laser, mindustry, probably others I forget. but still up there

osu client is open source

12:00

not the server tho iirc

12:01

@Chairn is there a big disparity among ur students

12:01

in what u feel what they know

12:01

like, did u find someone that clearly knows way more than others

obviously yes

12:02

especially in M2 where we got different origins of students, including international ones

any ddnet player? xd

how would i know

?

xD

12:06

could they know ur discord handle here

i should buy a ddnet shirt maybe

and if they chatted here they would know?

12:06

xd

discord is banned on uni network

damn

Chairn

i should buy a ddnet shirt maybe

oh ddnet used to sell em

i know, but i never bought one

https://ddnet.myspreadshop.de/

DDraceNetwork T-Shirts

T-Shirts for DDracenetwork: http:ddnet.tw

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here

12:07

i mean maybe u get bullied a bit

12:07

but xd

12:07

@Voxel when design a nice teeshirt

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Ryozuki

i mean maybe u get bullied a bit

why would i ?

just joking

Learath2

I had a drink in starbucks japan that was completely baffling. It was like just cream with a bit of sugar and ice

what was the price

Ryozuki

i mean maybe u get bullied a bit

100%

Ryozuki

ddnet is among the open source game with highest concurrent players

highest concurrent players

why are u repeating

whats that? (edited)

13:20

Bad CMake executable: "". Check to make sure it is installed or the value of the "cmake.cmakePath" setting contains the correct path

read the error

13:22

try to understand what it means

hmmm

Ryozuki

try to understand what it means

So hard

MilkeeyCat

So hard

nah, its ok

13:23

how can vscode know ur cmake is there?

13:24

tryu to understand whats asking for

13:24

xd

13:25

i found it funny u have this in ur bio https://whyasking.me/

13:25

u should apply it

13:25

ur problem is not a ddnet specific one btw

13:25

but ill tell u

13:25

u have to add a config in vscode pointing to the cmake binary

13:25

path

13:26

Bad CMake executable: "". Check to make sure it is installed or the value of the "cmake.cmakePath" setting contains the correct path

13:26

xd

Ryozuki

i found it funny u have this in ur bio https://whyasking.me/

cuz nothing there works

it does

13:26

but u dont even need to google

13:26

u just need to read

13:26

which most ppl dont

13:26

they see a error and cry

Ryozuki

u have to add a config in vscode pointing to the cmake binary

ok, ty

@kaylon add this to ur bio http://www.readthefuckingmanual.com/

13:27

cringe

real

Who likes reading first :cluless:

13:32

I read only after 20 installed packages and when it still doesn't work

xd

Ryozuki

they see a error and cry

exactly, all my students do the same...

13:37

that's why i put a prerequisite in all my classes: -know reading

xD

https://nitter.net/ItakGol/status/1708541450722414798

Ryozuki

oh ddnet used to sell em

We don't really sell them. I just set up the designs on spreadshirt, but they earn all the money

https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/warp-drives-best-hope-dies/

Warp drive's best hope dies, as antimatter falls down

In the quest to measure how antimatter falls, the possibility that it fell "up" provided hope for warp drive. Here's how it all fell apart.

Zwelf

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7330 Fix save_dry command

The wrong team variable was read.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[x] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://git...

Chairn

are you looking for internship

?

I was thinking job, but if it's interesting enough, sure

Chairn

are you interested in fault injection ?

Like hardware fault injection (glitching) or in the more general systems sense of it? I was curious about the former but not something I ever really explored beyond idle research

cyberFighter

what was the price

no idea, it's been 5 years since

Learath2

I was thinking job, but if it's interesting enough, sure

Are you interested in working with complex Rust code?

(Not sure if we are currently hiring developers though)

deen

Are you interested in working with complex Rust code?

(Not sure if we are currently hiring developers though)

I'm fairly sure my level of Rust is not adequate for being hired for any Rust job, though I learn quick

GitHub

Click to see attachment 🖼️

This feature ended up being not used when we managed to recover the saves from a log

14:56

Maybe we can just remove it tbf

Learath2

I'm fairly sure my level of Rust is not adequate for being hired for any Rust job, though I learn quick

i can see u cursing rust at work xdd

15:01

https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-MR-Drop-X11-Session

GNOME Merge Requests Opened That Would Drop X.Org Session Support

A set of merge requests were opened that would effectively drop X.Org (X11) session support for the GNOME desktop and once that code is removed making it a Wayland-only desktop environment.

15:02

@Jupstar ✪

Learath2

Maybe we can just remove it tbf

Ye, I'm also for removing. It just bothered me that it was broken xD (edited)

@Learath2 is it bad that openrc uses pidfiles?

15:17

a systemd user told me this

15:17

xd

Ryozuki

@Learath2 is it bad that openrc uses pidfiles?

What is wrong with pidfiles in your opinion? The only issue is that there is a possible race, but what's the worst that could happen?

they say they are less robust

15:17

and that they are recicled

15:18

less robust to supervise

Ofc it's less rebust, the fix is not to replace the entire init system and the core of your system with a blackbox

15:19

Sorry, completely transparent box that is filled to the brim with code that only 2 people can read so it's effectively black*

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7330 Fix save_dry command

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github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

1d6771e Fix save_dry command - Zwelf 7171a88 Merge pull request #7330 from Zwelf/pr-fix-save-dry - def-

runit's approach to it is the proper way IMO

does gentoo use runit

No, but you can experiment with it if you want to, I did set up a system with it once following the wiki

lfs?

Learath2

runit's approach to it is the proper way IMO

(Same approach Windows uses btw, having a service supervisor)

Ryozuki

lfs?

No in gentoo https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Runit, you can have it run under openrc

In which directory is this database located? owo

find a sqlite file

15:25

is this a server log or a client log

15:25

xd

Learath2

(Same approach Windows uses btw, having a service supervisor)

The supervisor uses a named pipe instead of a pidfile and signals, avoiding the issues with the pidfiles

Yek-H

In which directory is this database located? owo

I'm not sure but it should be in one of the below: a) Next to DDNet-Server executable b) Config directory c) Data directory

Learath2

I'm not sure but it should be in one of the below: a) Next to DDNet-Server executable b) Config directory c) Data directory

a)

15:30

If I change the ddnet-server, will the database be deleted too?

If it's in the same folder as DDNet-Server, the you could lose the database when you reinstall/update

15:33

Check if you have another sqlite file in your config dir

15:33

If you don't, move the database to the config dir

15:34

If you have a file in both locations, then decide which to keep and delete the other

I can't find the sqlite file
Database works fine
If I update the server to a recent version of Github it still works and loads the database

15:38

idk

For me the database is at ~/.local/share/ddnet/ddnet-server.sqlite.

15:40

The $USERDIR

$configdir

DDNet config directory & settings_ddnet.cfg location:

On Windows: Old: %appdata%\Teeworlds New: %appdata%\DDNet On Linux: Old: ~/.teeworlds New: ~/.local/share/ddnet On macOS: Old: ~/Library/Application Support/Teeworlds New: ~/Library/Application Support/DDNet The settings_ddnet.cfg file contains all your friends, control, player & game settings.

Unless you are using an older version, the database should be in the config dir

Zwelf

For me the database is at ~/.local/share/ddnet/ddnet-server.sqlite.

15:41

Thx

Because we don't want to write any files to the binary dir, which would cause issues on Windows

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Ryozuki

@Learath2 is it bad that openrc uses pidfiles?

a problem with pidfiles seems to be that they're not guaranteed by the OS

16:15

they can get out of sync, there are races

16:16

whatever API systemd uses to know the processes of a service is probably more appropriate(?)

heinrich5991

whatever API systemd uses to know the processes of a service is probably more appropriate(?)

Cgroups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cgroups. yes, looks like the correct API for process management

Which openrc also creates nowadays, though no one bothered using them in start-stop-daemon yet, presumably since problems of pidfile races are rare enough

systemd rip

16:42

debian 12 decided to be full systemd

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(rip crond, /etc/network/interfaces , syslogd etc... on a default install

rip

@heinrich5991 do you remember why we wanted curl-multi?

Learath2

@heinrich5991 do you remember why we wanted curl-multi?

request sharing sockets IIRC

17:46

not doing one OS thread per request is a nice side effect

Learath2

@heinrich5991 do you remember why we wanted curl-multi?

reached a dead end?

heinrich5991

reached a dead end?

Having trouble deciding what to do, so I guess the opposite of a dead end

curl multi finished?

No as in I have like 3-4 ways I can imagine curl multi being done and I can't decide on any of them

ah

I think I'll just go back to the one in #5902 for now and call it a day

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5902

#5092 *

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5092

Rework HTTP to use curl-multi interface by Learath2 · Pull Request ...

This PR tries to rework the http interface to utilize the curl-multi interface. In the process we lost the IJob interface. I experimented with getting rid of the std::unordered_map using CURLOPT_PR...

does one of them address the "I want to do something after the HTTP request finished" problem?

I'd love to have a better job system in general

heinrich5991

does one of them address the "I want to do something after the HTTP request finished" problem?

Yes, but it's also like dozens of hours of work writing a nice implementation of futures which won't be liked anyway due to the templates needed to get something like that to work

I see

Robyt3

I'd love to have a better job system in general

I started sketching one out with futures promises and executors similar to but simpler than folly's

heinrich5991

does one of them address the "I want to do something after the HTTP request finished" problem?

I guess I can also make it happen with 5092 but in a non-generic just wait on the http job in a new CJob kinda way

Learath2

I started sketching one out with futures promises and executors similar to but simpler than folly's

but it's kinda obvious even looking at the rough sketch of it that something like this is a lot of work

https://security.googleblog.com/2023/10/bare-metal-rust-in-android.html

Bare-metal Rust in Android

Posted by Andrew Walbran, Android Rust Team Last year we wrote about how moving native code in Android from C++ to Rust has resulted in ...

java sure looks different: https://java-playground.com/?release=21&gist=27cf9e5152d902d19e3be500c072f66c&preview=enabled

Java Playground

A browser interface to the Java compiler to experiment with the language

xD

19:20

i read its using preview features of next java release

19:20

Just a quick question, is it possible to bug through tp. Without triggering tp ?

no

Brezzel

Just a quick question, is it possible to bug through tp. Without triggering tp ?

yes with tp gun + jetpack(or autoclicker) + tune down gun fire delay + 2 tees with nocol you can bug through all the tele you want. (easier to do with dummy copy but jetpack allows you to do it 2p). very specific conditions so it wont ever just come up in a map(so if that was your question, then no), but you can map a part that does this (edited)

it's possible to clip through corners with the right velocity too