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Between 2023-10-08 00:00:00Z and 2023-10-09 00:00:00Z
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Hi everyone, what is the terrible reason why we don't have fp variables in Config? In DDNet we have various config options defining short time intervals:
  • sv_chat_delay (default = 1, "The time in seconds between chat messages")
  • sv_vote_map_delay (default = 0, "The minimum time in seconds between map votes")
  • sv_kill_delay (default = 1, "The minimum time in seconds between kills")
  • sv_freeze_delay (default = 3, "How many seconds the players will remain frozen")
If we'...
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Can we use something like https://github.com/marketplace/actions/cache-apt-packages to improve the CI speed? (edited)
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Can I have the DDNet and KOG server images so I know what to base the community photo off of? @deen
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Voxel
Can I have the DDNet and KOG server images so I know what to base the community photo off of? @deen
What server images?
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murpi
What server images?
The current situation is unfair to good faith server owners whose servers don't have the checkmark, a more healthy way is to provide a way to apply to have the checkmark or be added to this new...
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Hmm, I was only able to find this logo here which has the same font.
03:02
and the kog logo is probably this one here: https://kog.tw/other/logo_white_long.svg (edited)
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Ryozuki
learn C++
When rewrite game in rust
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when a small group of volunteers decides to rewrite dozens of thousands of lines of code for pretty much no reason
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Ewan
when a small group of volunteers decides to rewrite dozens of thousands of lines of code for pretty much no reason
It's called a revolution!
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idk they don't think stuff is going well and also think they could fix it
07:37
ddnet works just fine
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because its fun is a valid reason
08:16
gigachad
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this is a very important broadcast
08:17
also relevant
08:17
she is a developer
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:23:49Z
so important that it is discord only?
08:24
ah its a img my bad thought its a message link xd
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is the damn signature thing already in effect
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:24:33Z
wot signature
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discord is adding request signatures to their cdn content
08:26
so it expires and maybe can only be viewed on their client
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Ryozuki
because its fun is a valid reason
ok then do it
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special params at the end of an upload link
08:27
discord as a file host was fun while it lasted
08:27
I’ve uploaded more than my fair share of 100MB 7z archive segments
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if ddnet rust rewrite happens i wonder how many changes would happen
08:27
like, secret updates
08:28
refactors?
08:28
or like telemetry
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i mean checking off the issues page
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probably not much since that would require amazing coordination
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i thought parsing the demo file would de the hardest part and rendering that data would be piece of piss. after ive looked at how ddnet does that shit, i think itd be a good idea to rename ddnet-web-demo renderer into demo parser in js justatest
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fred hire me to make video games
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some days i wish i could inject c++ into my brain so i know how to make good updates for once
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it’s not necessarily about cpp
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i'm poor
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it’s about understanding principles which the code is based on, and the code/its relationships with other parts of itself, and implementation details like whether to use method a or b for whatever
08:35
seeing a big code project as just some code in some language is really a harmful and narrow view
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:35:23Z
wot no more free cdn
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hi chiller
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:35:36Z
hi china
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miss me yet?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:35:45Z
yes veri
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catxplosion
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:35:56Z
xd
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hru chiller
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:36:10Z
gau?
08:36
thats not a thing is it
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:36:24Z
watafak is que
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spanish for what the hell are u talking about
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I just drank some monster at 4pm
08:36
probably a bad idea
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bad idea fred
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:36:43Z
how are you, good and you
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oh cool new acronym acquired
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when you guys realize voice chat in client + server? 😄
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 08:37:09Z
i made it up idk
08:37
bad idea
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not bad idea bro
08:37
if you talk close at tee
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not like for all area
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Ewan
it’s about understanding principles which the code is based on, and the code/its relationships with other parts of itself, and implementation details like whether to use method a or b for whatever
i guess thats true i just dream about being able to make anything i want but coding is so hard
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Rem1x
not like for all area
it would be worse than cod lobbies
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you can use dc poggers2
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Voxel
i guess thats true i just dream about being able to make anything i want but coding is so hard
coding is easy. developing is hard
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bruh native voice in game is better
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I already pay so much for bandwidth
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planning n shit
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its interesting thing, voice if you close at tee
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like if they far you don't hear him
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ppl r gonna micspan
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its fixable with mute voice thing
08:38
in table mute
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imagine how big teehistorian would be with audio storage justatest
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also protocols and stuff. very hard to make changes without devs yelling at each others
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i think its be good integration if its be on ddnet&kog
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if it ever comes to ddnet it’ll probably be a reclaimed change from something downstream
08:39
some sketchy block server’s implementation or smth
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i can try help with it
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nope you won't
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learn cpp and implement it (edited)
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its only need realize another mini voice server
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make a discord bot or plugin or something
08:40
Catxplosion
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discord its another shit
08:40
but voice native in game better
08:40
its communication
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idc, it's more cost, more mantanaince, more moderation, more reports, more human resources wastes
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im play this 15-16 years, and no any haven't tried to implement this
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technically it wouldn’t be super hard since opus is already an integral part of the game’s audio and the entire audio input pipeline is already supported by the libs already in use by ddnet. ppl just don’t see a need for it. use discord or smth
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its noneed mod at start, its no need at first try make perfect system
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you'll be surprised
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i mean, need to start small
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e1979d9 Use icons for editor mode switching. - furo321 e4ccd79 Merge pull request #7318 from furo321/editor-mode-icons - def-
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i dont wanna hear teenagers yelling and throwing slurs in voice chat on a blocker server
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guys think about it
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ew block
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its really funny
08:43
and cool new communication things
08:43
it attracts more people
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i also don't want to hear about people reporting about yelling at each other for miniscule issuse
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and you can benefit from this
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MilkeeyCat
ew block
if we cant make fun of kog we cant make fun of block
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so we can spend more money on useless features in a free game?
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Voxel
if we cant make fun of kog we cant make fun of block
i can make fun of both
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no money need
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lmao
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MilkeeyCat
i can make fun of both
@ heinr
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enthusiasm is everything, that’s what the game was all about
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this whole game was made thanks to the community and ideas
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do servers run on enthusiasm
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thonk
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what are you talking about
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Rem1x
enthusiasm is everything, that’s what the game was all about
if u WANT voice chat, add it in yourself.
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its open source btw
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i mean, to much proggers in tw, developed this game
08:46
cool, but for it need some peoples to divide the task
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not really
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no one is gonna work on it
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a solo dev with the right idea could do it in a week
08:47
it would just be a shitshow
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TsFreddie
no one is gonna work on it
this is pessimism from your side
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that's your opinion
08:48
and it is wrong
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then do it yourself and get rejected and becomes a fork or something, see if i care
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so salty
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he gives no fucks rn
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i just ate some really salty fish soup
08:49
it checks out
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thug life
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you should never think that it will be a fork, because without trying, you won't know for sure
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you will need to fork it to work on it anyway
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it's not just me if you haven't get the memo
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u expecting a mailing list or smth xd
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the linus workflow
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TsFreddie
also protocols and stuff. very hard to make changes without devs yelling at each others
owo
08:53
@Voxel zwelf has a poc in rust of ddnet
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Don't yell at me plz
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Duzzint Matter
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i mean not gonna lie if the entire server side code turns into rust itd be kinda cool
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We’re all star dust in the end
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im not stardust im human
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Everything ever is star dust
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cool, also it's a nice way to prevent me from working on the source code ever
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Ewan
Everything ever is star dust
whats your point
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not that I work on anything really
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TsFreddie
cool, also it's a nice way to prevent me from working on the source code ever
xd, this is not us excluding u, its u exlucding urself voluntarely
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Ryozuki
xd, this is not us excluding u, its u exlucding urself voluntarely
i'm very aware of that
08:56
i just suck at learning new stuff
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thats too bad
08:56
cuz with rust u learn new things
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i wish i just can just quit my job and have fun
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and i dont wanna sound weird, but rust has its "hype" for a reason
08:56
same speed as C with the borrow checker
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learning new things for me starts with learning patterns its how i learned ddnet code
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its why it excites ppl who care about systems languages
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its a new game
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Voxel
whats your point
Eventually we will all be compressed into oil and coal and the people of 3.002.023 AD will be wondering how they can rebuild their 5d sphere game in the newest telekinetic programming language
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i learned c++ via teeworlds
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but i was like 17
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but i didnt stop at that
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i'm 28 now bruh
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i was 14 poggers2
08:57
im 23
08:58
i keep learning
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Ewan
Eventually we will all be compressed into oil and coal and the people of 3.002.023 AD will be wondering how they can rebuild their 5d sphere game in the newest telekinetic programming language
wjat
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age is no excuse lol
08:58
but if you work 15hr jobs
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but its true for now u dont rly need to learn anything
08:58
if it works for ur job
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how would you learn
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You need time to learn 😄
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lmao
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but well cwait 20 years and i think u will have to put some effort
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i got ddnet hooked when i was 17 justatest
08:58
im 21
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i wanna be alive when C is obsolete and ppl think of it like fortran or cobol rn
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i wanna be alive right now
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it will not happen in my lifetime
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cuz the econemy is killing us lmao
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TsFreddie
cuz the econemy is killing us lmao
this is always the case at any point in time
08:59
lol
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also i just skipped my job today
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i never heard the news in tv "economy is doing well!"
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Ryozuki
i wanna be alive when C is obsolete and ppl think of it like fortran or cobol rn
If C has 3 fans, I'm one of them. If C has 1 fan, it is me. If C has no fans, I've died.
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i think i'm crazy
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Learath2
If C has 3 fans, I'm one of them. If C has 1 fan, it is me. If C has no fans, I've died.
xd
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Learath2
If C has 3 fans, I'm one of them. If C has 1 fan, it is me. If C has no fans, I've died.
I would go to school if
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Ryozuki
i never heard the news in tv "economy is doing well!"
wait until you see chinese national media
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it's "doing very well" here expect for all other countries
09:00
oh shit the irclog
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TsFreddie
oh shit the irclog
It has been a true honor knowing you
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Yet another cross-platform graphical process/system monitor. - GitHub - ClementTsang/bottom: Yet another cross-platform graphical process/system monitor.
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TsFreddie
oh shit the irclog
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what’s this
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-10-08 09:02:09Z
0.7 skins gonna be great
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TsFreddie
oh shit the irclog
Explain
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he chinese
09:02
censorship
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logs
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Ewan
Explain
Premier Xi is watching
🤫 3
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i'm exposing myself
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Your government assigned babysitter is going to put you in time out?
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america vs china
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GO
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xd
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meanwhile eu watching: owo
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Ryozuki
america vs china
This one is easy. China >>> America. No need discussion
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ChillerDragon
Click to see attachment 🖼️
cant wait for rzqa to be the only active 0.7 user here
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Voxel
cant wait for rzqa to be the only active 0.7 user here
Chiller also plays 0.7
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copium
09:03
he plays chillerbot-0.69
09:04
bruh, the model knows
09:04
other than the "popular" part i guess
09:04
still very vague tho
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only about teeworlds cuz old
09:04
not ddnet
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sadSnail
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TsFreddie
other than the "popular" part i guess
I guess it is sort of popular among the list of games that are open source 😄
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kinda sucks how that’s why people know it lol
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ye, language model moment
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‘Oh it’s that linnicks game’
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why does it suck
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better the game be known for how good it is rather than filling a niche need
09:07
the game should be popular because it’s good period not cuz oss
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fair, but I don't think it matters that much
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but ppl want graphics
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TsFreddie
Click to see attachment 🖼️
I wonder if it has any data about it actually or is just hoping you asked because there is a relationship
09:07
Ask it if it knows of any relationship between ddracenetwork and cheese
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do language models really know about any data?
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ask if it knows who i am
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Learath2
I guess it is sort of popular among the list of games that are open source 😄
ddnet is among the open source game with highest concurrent players
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terraria?
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it only competes with that game thats gpl
09:08
i forgor the name
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TsFreddie
do language models really know about any data?
It's training set is in some vague sense of storage is stored in the weights
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its all numbers
09:08
float numbers
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0.1 02
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0.2
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INT numbers in this case tho
09:08
it's a quantized model
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wat r u talking about
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running on CPU as well
09:09
isnt it slow
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it's ok,
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or is it smol
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it's 9GB
09:09
so not that huge
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thats what she said
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It's afaik impossible to take the data back out though, so "storage" might not be the best word
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also RWKV has low complexity i guess
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I’d expect response time to be about the same as the online interface
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doesn’t have to juggle 10000 concurrent requests among its resource pool
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even if cpu is way slower
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It's probably a little bit slower than chatGPT
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Ewan
I’d expect response time to be about the same as the online interface
knowing fred’s hardware that is lol
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no internet required tho
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and it is the largest model I can find for RWKV
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Can it write code?
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probably
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Ask it for a C fizzbuzz
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whats RWKV
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This model is fine-tuned for chinese
09:11
Xi approved?
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i think it's trying it's best for english
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nah, just the model trainer is chinese, so he released a fune-tuned model
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dont u have problems with AI and censorship there
09:11
what if it says something about taiwan numba 1
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TsFreddie
i think it's trying it's best for english
Oh, interesting
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also I think this model might not be legal cuz they do train it against openai
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it even tried to tell you that it's trained by openai only because the training set is so weird
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I’m telling big brother
09:12
you’re gonna be grohnded
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grounded
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and it breaks and is repeating stuff now
09:13
this model really likes to just repeat stuff if the context is lost
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very relevant to cheese
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TsFreddie
and it breaks and is repeating stuff now
Interesting behaviour
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i remember chat gpt doing that
09:13
I can’t type for shit on my phone keyboard
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ye i think chatGPT some time does that as well?
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Question: Do you know the chinese name for Teeworlds? Answer: The Chinese name for Teeworlds is 太空侵略者 (Tiānchóng Zìzhǔ zhě).
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that's space invader
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it's a video game alright
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also the pinyin is completely wrong
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Is there a chinese name for teeworlds btw?
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we tried so hard to come up with one for years
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there is one for ddnet sort of
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worlds of tee
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just because it's more popular and people just started to call it whatever
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why have alternate names for stuff
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tee isn't really a thing you can say in chinese and make it sound good tho
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we call chinese shit as it’s called there. at least we try to
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people calls ddnet "the bean people" people in the sense of any character.
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i had dim sum for lunch
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it kinda sucked
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it's the same spelling in pinyin phonetically to DDR
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DouDouRen 豆豆人
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also fallguys was quite popular at the same time, which is 糖豆人, which is also the sweet bean people lmao
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TsFreddie
tee isn't really a thing you can say in chinese and make it sound good tho
Chi is I guess the best you can do
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oh no that sound so bad
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chiworlds
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we have Ti
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1v1 me on oblock
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it's sounds just like tee
09:18
but it does not sound like a noun
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or a character
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Oh, hm
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okay i have to go to bed now
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踢 is kick. 提 is give. 体 is body or physical. 涕 is tear or snot. 替 is replacement. 题 is question. 屉 is drawer.
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all of them sounds like tee
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send me role details by mornin mg fred
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none of them really works for anything
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Dozens of options for wa and not one fits any of these to make a ti wa? 😄
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we are not japanese
09:23
i'm pretty sure it'll be something world, where the something part is the hard part
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TsFreddie
we are not japanese
You don't have dozens of options for wa?
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it has to be something sekai so you know what i'm talking about
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Oh, I thought you'd want it to sound similar, since tee doesnt really have much of a meaning
09:25
if it doesn't have any meaning then it could use the sound
09:25
but none of the ti sound works. world has a translation tho so that part would be translated
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also i think wa has even less options
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Well good luck, it's hard to name stuff, much much harder when translating stuff
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wa is just an onomatopoeia, tiles, digging and valorant and that's about it
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oh and baby (edited)
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frog
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well i guess there are a few
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lol
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TsFreddie
frog
Give frog?
09:27
very weird
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Kick frog?
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ca517f2 enhance editor toolbar sounds - dobrykafe 6e2ddfb use nullptr instead of 0, add missing return statement - dobrykafe 5b609c8 extract CEditor::DoAudioPreview, also use in file dialog - dobrykafe 8adbbc4 fix requested changes - dobrykafe d4fed23 Merge pull request #7208 from dobrykafe/pr-editor-toolbar-sounds - Robyt3
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just call it ball world
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oh there's a translation for gores as well
09:28
just not for teeworlds i guess
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intestines
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really hard for teeworlds
09:29
勾累死 gouleisi it just sounds like gores and it mean "hook until you die of exhaustion"
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I guess if you give up on having it sound close at all you can just call it ballworld and call it a day
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TsFreddie
勾累死 gouleisi it just sounds like gores and it mean "hook until you die of exhaustion"
damn that’s a dense name
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TsFreddie
勾累死 gouleisi it just sounds like gores and it mean "hook until you die of exhaustion"
That actually fits perfectly wow
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Learath2
I guess if you give up on having it sound close at all you can just call it ballworld and call it a day
ddr already took that name
09:30
which sucks more lol
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ball race network
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dummy drag race network but chinese
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dummy is a hard word for chinese
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the meaning is really weird for chinese, cuz it's just not a common vocab
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even in ddnet translation we swap dummies with clones/doppelganger even tho that is not technically what it is
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we have a translation for dummy but people only thinks of scarecrow or manikins
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Hm, I'm unsure whether dummy is the correct word in english for what the dummy does even
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it was until dummy control was a thing i guess?
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there were server dummies before i think
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The entire CEditorImage was being overwritten when loading external images, which was causing the already loaded image name to be cleared, due to the changed order of operations (regression from #7008). This is fixed by using CImageInfo to load the image and only copying the relevant members to the CEditorImage.

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  • [X] Tested the change ingame
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"Regular background color" setting is now moved to background instead of miscellaneous. Also made the capitalization correct. "Entities Background color" -> "Entities background color" "Regular Background Color" -> "Regular background color" Before, !image After, !image

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Previously if you did /save on a solo server or one with teams disabled. It would announce the team the ID is in. But if it was ID 0, it would announce that everyone died :D Now it will just send killmsg of the player name instead of a team. !image !image

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Remove the DDNet and KoG tabs and replace them with a community filter, which works like the country and type filters. Community information (ID, name, icon SHA256, countries, types, servers, ranked maps) is loaded dynamically from the DDNet info json. The official checkmark icon is replaced with community icons. The icons are downloaded to the communityicons folder in the config directory from a URL specified in the DDNet info json. The icons are only re-downloaded when their SHA256 has...
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88e1988 Move "Regular background color" setting to background - furo321 dc57cc3 Merge pull request #7323 from furo321/move-background-setting - def-
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153abac Relist daria, aka W' aka holic aka haisito - murpii
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97ae362 Fix names of external images not being loaded in editor - Robyt3 f7d2384 Merge pull request #7322 from Robyt3/Editor-External-Image-Name-Fix - def-
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@deen do u remember whats the oldest distro we support
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debian?
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10?
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i wanna know the oldest rust version we need to support
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Rust version doesn't matter, I care about runtime versioning, not for compilation
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Rust stable is fine I think
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stable debian is 1.61
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@deen but i recall heinrich caring a lot
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idk why
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he wants pppl to compile with package manager rust
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Anyway, what do you want to do with rust?
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i want to update masterserver deps and try to fix https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6955
From Discord: [6:56 PM] Matodor: and master server don't support Content-Type header with charset Content-Type: application/json; charset=utf-8 [6:57 PM] Matodor: i got {"status":&quo...
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Then do it without updating rust version?
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but i also want to update it
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xd
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except if you run into a specific feature you require
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but why not update the deps
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Because then we get complaints from people running old rust
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then i tell them to update
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brownbear
11:50
On older distributions rustc version might be too old, to get an up-to-date Rust compiler you can use rustup with stable channel instead or try the rustc-mozilla package.
The Rust toolchain installer
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we even mention thjis on readme
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ok ima update
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ill try with debian stable rust
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703db2c Don't announce team killed if it's a solo server. - furo321 1130ebc Merge pull request #7324 from furo321/solo-kill-team - def-
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Seen in https://forum.ddnet.org/viewtopic.php?p=71604

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seems like a update is the fix kek
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Previously, the form and json body filters would reject requests where the content-type included a charset. This change uses mime to parse the content-type and perform a smarter comparison. This fi...
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1f5a764 Make sure notification object exists - def- 34b91fc Merge pull request #7326 from def-/pr-notif - Robyt3
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ƤØŢĀŤ0Co 2023-10-08 15:52:02Z
When timeout is used, bullet entities get visually messed up. (edited)
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Hi everyone
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@murpi could you update the twmap-tools for the ddnet-discordbot?
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Patiga
@murpi could you update the twmap-tools for the ddnet-discordbot?
done
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thanks! heartw
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24735c2 Make skin info regex case-insensitive - murpii 4d2c4f7 Merge pull request #2 from murpii/main - def-
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5ea1947 Limit skin name length to 23 characters. - murpii 3616776 PEP8 - murpii 183491b Make skin info regex case-insensitive - murpii 732c0f3 Merge pull request #63 from murpii/pr_change_ticket_channel_name - def-
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6532d1b fix mouse position for hook/shots - hardliner66 6c94e84 make sub-tick-aiming configurable - hardliner66 922a167 disable by default - JSaurusRex f1dd707 fixed clang formatting error - JSaurusRex 03fad41 let fix_style.py do its course - JSaurusRex 3c7ad14 done requested code changes - JSaurusRex cc62d95 Merge pull request #7253 from JSaurusRex/midTickAim - def-
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Previously it would show the max length with the '\0' included, which makes the help text kinda misleading. I wasn't able to find a way to do this with the previous macro method of doing it. I guess #5523 would also be pretty easy to fix if we start using str_format to build the help string.

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