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Between 2023-09-20 00:00:00Z and 2023-09-21 00:00:00Z

kill whoever invented webkit-gtk

05:35

it takes longer to compile than firefox

05:36

i just wanted to use gnucash to keep track of my accounting, it requires for some reason webkit-gtk

sad

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7204 Add config for gold angle teams color

@Ewan go sleep

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7217 Add console chain for screen resolution commands.

It now resizes the screen when changing gfx_screen_height, gfx_screen_width or gfx_screen_refresh_rate. Closes #7215

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect e...

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

5973500 Add console chain for screen resolution commands. - furo321 60de0f1 Merge pull request #7217 from furo321/gfx-screen-conchain - def-

09:47

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7217 Add console chain for screen resolution commands.

09:47

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7215 gfx_screen_width & gfx_screen_height have no console chain

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7218 Crash in CCollision::TileExists

``


Core was generated by

./DDRace64-Server_sql -f servers/block.cfg'. Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. #0 0x00005605936e3546 in CCollision::TileExists (this=0x7fcdd84f50b0, Index=Index@entry=12835) at /home/teeworlds/src/master/src/game/collision.cpp:819 819 if((m_pTiles[Index].m_Index >= TILE_FREEZE && m_pTiles[Index].m_Index = TILE_LFREEZE && m_pTiles[Index].m_Index <= TILE_LUNFREEZE)) [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0x7fcddaac7a00 (LWP 1109761))] (gdb...

Ryozuki

i just wanted to use gnucash to keep track of my accounting, it requires for some reason webkit-gtk

Wat?

11:12

Is it like an electron app but they didn't want to use electron so they made their own?

idk xD

11:12

gnucash predates electron

11:12

https://www.gnucash.org/

Free Accounting Software | GnuCash

GnuCash is personal and small-business financial-accounting software, freely licensed under the GNU GPL and available for GNU/Linux, BSD, Solaris, Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows.

Make your own, accounting is simple

made in 1999

11:13

actually

11:13

nah

11:13

i already compiled it

11:13

hm

11:13

maybe i should use a cli one

11:13

but i like that gnucash makes graphics and stuff

11:14

https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/stable/ChangeLog.1999

Assets = Liabilities + Equity, just do it by hand like in the olden times

oh

11:14

i think they use webkit for the plots and stuff

Ryozuki

made in 1999

Wow that is ancient. So it predates webkit too

Ryozuki

i think they use webkit for the plots and stuff

Why not just output dot?

dont ask me

11:15

im mad at this

11:15

xd

11:15

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Webkit

11:16

https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-December/063233.html

11:16

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Arno <nvana_31 at yahoo.com> wrote: > > Dear GNUCash developers, > > I have a question: > > Wouldn't it be possible to compile GNUCash 2.6.10 without WebKit support ? I have been using GNUcash for 10+ years now, but since the switch to WebKit only (no other rendering options any more) I cannot get GNUcash to compile any more on my RedHat based Linux systems. > > For me a simple a simple switch like '--with-html-engine: none' would also be great, why not have the generated HTML files opened in Firefox ? It would be fine for me. > > Showing the content in tabs looks great, but if it makes compiling GNUcash on any other system than Ubuntu almost impossible. So I would suggest to have the option for an external HTML viewer. > > I've been trying to compile GNUcash (even the older 2.4 versions) for days on CentOS 7, but to no avail. Been trying to tweak the configure system to use webkitgtk-3, qtwebkit, etc, but it all fails. > > At the moment I see not many other options than running GNUcash in a virtual machine running Win7 or leaving GNUcash behind. GnuCash 2.4 can be compiled with the old GtkHTML library. Support for that was removed in 2.6 as it's no longer being maintained. The development team use Debian stable and Fedora systems routinely for development, so it's clearly not the case that it compiles only on Ubuntu. GnuCash uses Gtk2 for its GUI, so you must use WebKitGtk-2. yum-builddep gnucash should get you everything you need, though you may need to include a Fedora rpm repository in your list as IIRC Centos/RHEL doesn't support GnuCash. Regards, John Ralls

11:17

so

I see, let's add Webkit to DDNet to render the server browser etc?

they want to show generated html reports in the app itself

11:17

instead of delegating that work to firefox for example

11:17

xd

deen

I see, let's add Webkit to DDNet to render the server browser etc?

yes, so ddnet with deps will compile in 1 hour

11:17

on a good system

11:17

xd

11:18

❯ sudo genlop -t webkit-gtk

net-libs/webkit-gtk Wed Sep 20 07:56:23 2023 >>> net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.40.5-r410 merge time: 25 minutes and 41 seconds.

11:18

25 mins with a ryzen 5800x

11:18

Mon Sep 18 18:35:02 2023 >>> www-client/firefox-117.0.1 merge time: 15 minutes and 35 seconds.

11:18

xd

11:18

they did smth rly wrong there

11:18

gtk is up to bad

11:19

@Learath2 u know the best

11:19

webkit-gtk has 3!!! slots

11:19

in gentoo

11:20

so if u end up with 3 binaries that use a different slot

11:20

u compile it 3 times!!

11:20

pepeW

11:21

https://bugs.gentoo.org/893668 https://bugs.gentoo.org/526998

11:24

@deen is https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6552 still not possible?

C++20 · Issue #6552 · ddnet/ddnet

June 2023 ends Ubuntu 18 LTS standard support, I think that was our deadline? ^^

I gave up on using crosstool-ng

11:25

seems complicated

@Learath2 wasnt zig the best cross compiler

11:25

u know if it works here

11:25

@deen can u do cross builds using docker?

11:26

https://github.com/cross-rs/cross does that somewhat

GitHub - cross-rs/cross: “Zero setup” cross compilation and “cross ...

“Zero setup” cross compilation and “cross testing” of Rust crates - GitHub - cross-rs/cross: “Zero setup” cross compilation and “cross testing” of Rust crates

Ryozuki

@Learath2 wasnt zig the best cross compiler

Maybe not following https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/16270

make the main zig executable no longer depend on LLVM, LLD, and Cla...

This issue is to fully eliminate LLVM, Clang, and LLD libraries from the Zig project. The remaining ties to these projects are as follows: LLD Mach-O (maintained by @kubkon) ELF (work in progress b...

Ryozuki

@deen can u do cross builds using docker?

How does it matter if it's docker, a VM or a chroot? The problem is that there is no distribution that has an old enough glibc version and a new enough C++ compiler to make this work

ah

which is what crosstool-ng is supposed to solve

well do we rly need to support those old glibcs

First you complain about long compile times, then you want to use fancy new C++ features which will probably increase our compile times

11:28

I care, and so do people using non-rolling release distros

deen

First you complain about long compile times, then you want to use fancy new C++ features which will probably increase our compile times

i mean we are talking different orders of magnitudes xD

I think the more modern C++ usage is the main reason webkit takes longer than compile than firefox

11:29

to*

is it?

11:29

what version do they use

11:30

altho in part firefox uses nodejs

11:30

which takes another 15min to compile

11:30

also arent modules simplifying compilation

11:30

iirc, compile times arent due to parsing c++

11:30

they are from codegen

Not using a more recent standard, but fancy features like templates

It's probably less the fact that it's C++20 but that the modern way of writing C++ is jusr very very slow to compile

why?

Templates and SFINAE

template heavy stuff?

Templates live in header, have to be handled again in each cpp file that includes the header

is template heavy c++ slower to compile than rust?

11:31

xd

No, Rust is probably even worse

i wonder

11:32

deno compiles in 4 mins for me

If rust werent compiling everything it might be faster

it does the same as nodejs

No templatemagic

Learath2

If rust werent compiling everything it might be faster

true, we include deps when compiling in rust

11:32

so its a mixed bag

Ryozuki

also arent modules simplifying compilation

Yes

but i feel rust has better paralelization when compiling?

No header files no problems xd

xd

That's what i hate just about cpp tbh

11:33

Having to write functions twice

I don't even think about it nowadays

11:34

The biggest annoyance for me is not being able to declare templates in headers

11:34

You end up with this weird asymmetric case

one thing i always found curious is

11:34

c++ forward declarations

11:34

u simply dont have them in rust

11:35

and i think they are beginner unfriendly

11:35

i wont tell u how much i struggled to understand em when learning xd

It's necessary to have with the way C++ is parsed

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/definition

cpp/language/definition

11:36

ODR

11:36

iirc

11:37

https://twitter.com/gf_256/status/1285217798642454531

cts🌸 (@gf_256)

So THIS is why gcc is so slow!

Likes

3594

Retweets

1404

11:37

reposting a meme heinrich shared time ago

11:37

xd

Just go back to Pascal, large scale programs compiled before your finger is off the key you pressed to start the compilation

wasnt pascal a 1 pass compiler or smth

11:38

xD

There is an article on my to read list about how pascal compiled so fast

dont build an ast 4head

11:39

@Learath2 have u seen what clang ast looks like

11:39

justatest

I've only barely interacted with it to parse ddnet source to extract a relationship graph

Image attachment

The Turbo name alluded to the speed of compiling and of the executables produced. The edit/compile/run cycle was fast compared to other Pascal implementations because everything related to building the program was stored in RAM, and because it was a one-pass compiler written in assembly language. Compiling was much faster than compilers for other languages (even Borland's own later compilers for C),[citation needed] and other Pascal compilers, and programmer time was also saved since the program could be compiled and run from the IDE. The execution speed of these COM-format programs was a revelation for developers whose only prior experience programming microcomputers was with interpreted BASIC or UCSD Pascal, which compiled to p-code which was then interpreted at runtime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Pascal

Turbo Pascal is a software development system that includes a compiler and an integrated development environment (IDE) for the Pascal programming language running on CP/M, CP/M-86, and DOS. It was originally developed by Anders Hejlsberg at Borland, and was notable for its extremely fast compilation. Turbo Pascal, and the later but similar Turbo...

11:40

Probably this article: https://prog21.dadgum.com/45.html

11:41

(Part 2 about Pascal: https://prog21.dadgum.com/47.html?repost=true)

Could be, not home to check

oh nice

These computers they make us take exams on are so damn slow. Matlab runs at a snails pace

Learath2

I've only barely interacted with it to parse ddnet source to extract a relationship graph

i used once the rust clang crate (bindings to clang itself) to inspect a c++ library to generate bindings xd

Just buy more cores

11:49

Soon we compile on gpu, xd

i always forget that if u have a var of type [uX; N] it is Copy

11:50

[u8; 32]

Jupstar ✪

Soon we compile on gpu, xd

That's one thing gpus would probably never be good at

Jupstar ✪

Just buy more cores

idk if compilers do this, but i think the future would be to make function dependency graphs

11:51

and analyze it

11:51

then find paralelization opportunities

11:51

when compiling

11:51

iirc rn most langs just paralelize modules

11:52

but im not much into this i may be bullshitting

Ryozuki

idk if compilers do this, but i think the future would be to make function dependency graphs

Solving these graphs might take longer than just compiling. It's not exactly trivial

https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/18/microsoft-ai-researchers-accidentally-exposed-terabytes-of-internal-sensitive-data/?guccounter=1

Microsoft AI researchers accidentally exposed terabytes of internal...

Microsoft AI researchers accidentally exposed tens of terabytes of sensitive data, including private keys and passwords, while publishing a storage bucket

11:54

Lmao

That's a big oof

35TB

issou

xd

Learath2

That's one thing gpus would probably never be good at

Why not. If your project is big enough

12:02

Like many translation units

Jupstar ✪

Why not. If your project is big enough

Idk if modern compute units are flexible enough but parsing through code isn't exactly what they are good at

Learath2

Idk if modern compute units are flexible enough but parsing through code isn't exactly what they are good at

Well i guess they are flexible enough, but probably is still rather slow

12:10

Maybe if u somehow group similar compilation tasks together

12:11

Would defs be a funny experience

12:11

Experiment

https://prog21.dadgum.com/30.html

12:20

this blogger is nice

https://github.com/kantord/SeaGOAT

GitHub - kantord/SeaGOAT: local-first semantic code search engine

local-first semantic code search engine. Contribute to kantord/SeaGOAT development by creating an account on GitHub.

ReiTW

https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/18/microsoft-ai-researchers-accidentally-exposed-terabytes-of-internal-sensitive-data/?guccounter=1

justatest

13:13

imagine datamining terabytes just to make investors interested in you

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7219 Fix winter theme

Fix winter theme having a small cutout at the bottom. I changed Para Y from 20 to 10 in Group 3. Closes #7206 Before: !image !image After: !image ![image](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/assets/141338449/ba13f267-0f65-4e29-9...

https://github.com/AdRoll/rustenstein

GitHub - AdRoll/rustenstein: Wolfenstein 3D port written in Rust

Wolfenstein 3D port written in Rust. Contribute to AdRoll/rustenstein development by creating an account on GitHub.

whos nextroll

any ideas how to fix this? :D

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Buy a GPU

oke

Somehow u made your sdl go into an offscreen mode

when im root all works but when i change user it doesnt pepeW

pepeW

Is this Wayland?

13:37

It sounds like u arent in the video group

13:37

And thus have no access to your gpu

Jupstar ✪

Is this Wayland?

x11

13:38

i chose what ive seen in wiki :D

Why do you all choose gentoo if u don't know how Linux works lmao

13:39

Gentoo is for no lifers

13:39

Like ryo

Jupstar ✪

Why do you all choose gentoo if u don't know how Linux works lmao

feelsbadman

13:40

thanks for advice anyways

MilkeeyCat

thanks for advice anyways

Search the wiki about the video user group

13:41

That could be the problem here

MilkeeyCat

when im root all works but when i change user it doesnt pepeW

pepeW

are u in gentoo

13:48

video group

yep

Jupstar ✪

Why do you all choose gentoo if u don't know how Linux works lmao

they are following my cult

actually yes

To follow the path: look to the master, follow the master, walk with the master, see through the master, become the master.

Ryozuki

they are following my cult

Maybe write a gentoo blog where this wouldn't have happened

xd

13:52

but ur right they should learn more

13:52

the video group is actually on the wiki

13:52

and its general linux knowledge

13:52

❯ groups wheel audio video kvm users edgar

13:52

there are my groups btw

13:53

@MilkeeyCat

13:53

btw nice hostname

13:53

daddy

13:53

i recommend u setup gento oguru

13:54

and emerge ddnet

13:54

i even recommend u unmask ddnet 9999 version

13:54

so u emerge ddnet from latest git

13:54

u just gotta remember to re emerge every now and then

13:54

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:GURU/Information_for_End_Users

Information for End Users

13:55

thanks for coming to my ted talk

13:55

again

Ryozuki

❯ groups wheel audio video kvm users edgar

i have same

it doesnt work?

13:56

did u just add urself?

13:56

maybe try relogin

13:56

or restart

13:56

are u using nvidia?

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

88ffaec Fix winter theme - furo321 5033f6c Merge pull request #7219 from furo321/fix-winter-theme - def-

14:00

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7219 Fix winter theme

14:00

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7206 Winter theme has a cutout at the bottom

atleast u can do this now

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Initially i was solving the problem that i couldn't run startx as non root to open i3 but now ive no fucking clue what's wrong and what's correct. I shouldve just installed Ubuntu pepeW

pepeW

14:09

Or Mint

Xdd

14:12

Did u try to search the Internet for your problem

Yep

@MilkeeyCat whats ur bash_profile

14:18

❯ cat .bash_profile
# /etc/skel/.bash_profile

if shopt -q login_shell; then
    [[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && source ~/.bashrc
    [[ -t 0 && $(tty) == /dev/tty1 && ! $DISPLAY ]] && exec startx
else
    exit 1 # Somehow this is a non-bash or non-login shell.
fi

14:18

u use a login manager?

14:18

❯ cat .xinitrc
xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources

if [ -n "${GPG_AGENT_INFO}" ]; then
  kill $(echo ${GPG_AGENT_INFO} | cut -d':' -f 2) >/dev/null 2>&1
fi

gentoo-pipewire-launcher &

exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session ssh-agent i3

14:20

but yeah if its too hard and u dont wanna deal with it use debian

14:20

or mint

14:20

or whathever

14:20

but u cant be in the gentoo ddnet club then

Nah, i installed it, ill make it work

thats the spiri

14:20

t

XD

make sure to install and configure weechat

14:23

and join quakenet

@MilkeeyCat what gpu?

I have some goofy ahh laptop's gpu

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Wait a sec

Did u check if it even has a working driver?

Thats.. a good question

But as root ddnet worked right ?

Ye

14:27

Nvidia GeForce MX130

Uff

I'm so not built for time deadlines. I need to find a job with very loose ones for my sanity

mine doesnt have tight deadlines

14:52

actually good management makes deadlines inexistant

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never had to rly care

14:53

just deliver

Hire me

my company hates c++ we dont use much C, but we use Rust, erlang, elixir and maybe some julia

15:05

actually the bossman used rust since 2015

15:05

also its anti haskell

15:07

one of my coworkers is in the rustlang group in gh

I can become a rustacean

justatest

Ryozuki

justatest

It worked

what worked

Everything

15:22

Startx works

15:22

Ddnet works

15:23

All i did is added 2 groups

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7220 Track UI elements separately for each server browser tab

Fix highlighted text of server browser entries not being refresh correctly when switching tabs. This also reduces lag when switching tabs, as the UI elements for all tabs are now cached and don't need to be recreated when switching. Regression from #7203.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added cove...

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

107af9c Add optional argument tiles to movement commands - furo321 2c7df07 Merge pull request #7196 from furo321/add-optional-arguments - Robyt3

15:32

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7196 Add optional argument to movement commands

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7221 Fix background color in ingame server browser filter tab

Make background color of the tab content consistent with the color of the tab bar. Regression from #7190. Screenshots:

Before:

!screenshot_2023-09-20_17-56-23

After:

!screenshot_2023-09-20_17-55-32

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[X] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ]...

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 5 new commits

48671dc Remove unnecessary temporary variables - Robyt3 61a9095 Remove unused IServerBrowser::TYPE_NONE, add NUM_TYPES - Robyt3 5d4affa Fix text containers always being recreated for empty text - Robyt3 da47ebe Track UI elements separately for each server browser tab - Robyt3 fb6f04e Merge pull request #7220 from Robyt3/UI-Label-Streamed-Fixes - def-

16:09

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7220 Track UI elements separately for each server browser tab

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7222 Update server browser when adding friends from ingame.

It now updates the server browser when adding or removing a friend from console or from the player options page.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing map...

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

23cb2ff Fix background color in ingame server browser filter tab - Robyt3 4dda794 Merge pull request #7221 from Robyt3/Serverbrowser-Filter-Background-Fix - def-

16:44

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7221 Fix background color in ingame server browser filter tab

MilkeeyCat

Everything

Are you also doing the gentoo moment?

Learath2

Are you also doing the gentoo moment?

maybe

17:14

gentoo btw

Image attachment

17:15

i have a bg but cropping this shit on a laptop is pain

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bruv

17:19

remove borders from i3

Ryozuki

atleast u can do this now

and use this awesome purple color theme

17:20

xd

@MilkeeyCat if u want a lightweight file browser that doesnt require bloat gtk, i recommend xfe

welcome to 1995

but its fast af

17:21

and lightweight

who couldve though if u login with one name but then change it, you wouldnt be able to run startx pepeW

pepeW

(edited)

Ryozuki

@MilkeeyCat if u want a lightweight file browser that doesnt require bloat gtk, i recommend xfe

I use lf https://github.com/gokcehan/lf

i use tree

@Mr.Gh0s7 i only use gui file manager cuz some programs want drag and drop

17:26

otherwise i use ls cd

17:26

xd

I copy the file path from lf in such cases and paste it from there (in the gui one) so in the end it's faster

17:29

Also, lf is very extendable via shell scripts.

@Ryozuki can i be in gentoo ddnet club? justatest

justatest

u gotta use it for a month

17:35

ur daily driver

17:35

cuz u wont find "problems" if u dont use it

17:35

btw what terminal u use

17:36

btw i recommend this

I use xterm

17:36

But u use alacrity

17:37

Coz its written in rust btw

i3config, i do it gapless

# Smart Gaps
smart_gaps on

# Smart Borders
smart_borders on
hide_edge_borders both

# Set inner/outer gaps
gaps inner 0
gaps outer 0

for_window [window_role="pop-up"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="bubble"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="task_dialog"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="Preferences"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="About"] floating enable

MilkeeyCat

But u use alacrity

use alacritty bro

17:37

its faster

17:37

my modifier key is the windows key

17:37

xd

17:37

or where the windows icon usually is

Ill probably switch terminal coz i cant even paste shit in Terminal

17:38

pepeW

Ryozuki

my modifier key is the windows key

I use alt

ye xterm is not best

17:38

alt is not the best modifier

17:38

cuz u use alt in programs

17:38

u dont use win key

17:38

but its personal

Fair

btw i use i3blocks for the bar

17:38

check out https://github.com/vivien/i3blocks-contrib

GitHub - vivien/i3blocks-contrib: Official repository for community...

Official repository for community contributed blocklets - GitHub - vivien/i3blocks-contrib: Official repository for community contributed blocklets

17:38

to config

17:38

Image attachment

17:38

my bar

I have much less things

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Xd

Image attachment

17:40

i have 2 displays too xd

17:40

i wonder if i can have per display workspace

17:40

then i can use 20

I can finally build client code

17:41

Dats cool

did u setup gentoo guru

Not yet

do it

17:41

also learn portage

17:41

its the heart of gentoo

17:41

learn what a package mask is

I was setting up tmux

learn what use flags are

:p

hm does tmux make sense locally

17:42

u just split

17:42

Image attachment

I like having 2 full screen terminals sometimes

17:44

And i have cool ass script for tmux

17:44

I didn't make it but just yoinked

17:44

But still

What is [FSP] and why do I need it?

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Sedonya

What is [FSP] and why do I need it?

I assume it's an empty space that has the same width as a number, so all numbers align

17:49

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_space

A figure space or numeric space is a typographic unit equal to the size of a single numerical digit. Its size can fluctuate somewhat depending on which font is being used. This is the preferred space to use in numbers. It has the same width as a digit and keeps the number together for the purpose of line breaking.

Robyt3

I assume it's an empty space that has the same width as a number, so all numbers align

I don't get it, thx ^^

Robyt3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_space

ooooo

17:49

cool

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Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ https://openai.com/dall-e-3

epic

eyo im kinda confused rn. im on hyprland and ddnet is telling me my maximum resolution is 1280x720. im on a 1920x1080@60hz display and everything else is working. i do have xrandr installed as it is a dependency of hyperland somehow. just doing xrandr gives me:

Screen 0: minimum 16 x 16, current 1280 x 720, maximum 32767 x 32767
eDP-1 connected 1280x720+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 310mm x 170mm
   1280x720      59.86*+
   800x600       59.86
   640x480       59.38
   320x240       59.52
   1152x720      59.97
   960x600       59.96
   928x580       59.88
   800x500       59.50
   768x480       59.90
   720x480       59.71
   640x400       59.95
   320x200       58.96
   1024x576      59.90
   864x486       59.92
   720x400       59.55
   640x350       59.77

xrandr obviously cant control the the screen since im on wayland. inxi -CGxxIM gives me:

Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] vendor: Dell Latitude E7470
    driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9 ports: active: eDP-1
    empty: DP-1,HDMI-A-1,HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1916
  Device-2: CNFEH63N0370600025C2 Integrated_Webcam_HD driver: uvcvideo
    type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-2:2 chip-ID: 1bcf:2b91
  Display: wayland server: Xwayland v: 23.2.0 compositor: Hyprland driver:
    gpu: i915 display-ID: 1
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: AU Optronics 0x133d res: 1920x1080 dpi: 158
    diag: 354mm (13.9")
  API: EGL/GBM Message: No known Wayland EGL/GBM data sources.

which is correct. (edited)

18:13

so ddnet is getting its information somehow wrong

Teero

so ddnet is getting its information somehow wrong

Have you set the correct environment variables? You can try running DDNet with SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland (https://wiki.hyprland.org/Configuring/Environment-variables/)

doesnt seem to work..

18:28

seems like no diffrence

18:32

need sdl3

18:35

k

18:35

https://wiki.hyprland.org/Configuring/XWayland/

XWayland is the bridging mechanism between legacy Xorg programs and Wayland compositors. HiDPI XWayland XWayland currently looks pixelated on HiDPI screens, due to Xorg’s inability to scale. This problem is mitigated by the xwayland:force_zero_scaling option, which forces XWayland windows not to be scaled. This will get rid of the pixelated look...

18:35

this fixed it

mm i have lags every 30 sec. i think it is cus overloaded cpu. so any tips how to fix that? (edited)

18:52

on screen i miminizate tw (edited)

Image attachment

triki

mm i have lags every 30 sec. i think it is cus overloaded cpu. so any tips how to fix that? (edited)

did have this before?

19:07

else try to restart windows over "Restart" first.. this often helps

Ryozuki

i3config, i do it gapless

# Smart Gaps
smart_gaps on

# Smart Borders
smart_borders on
hide_edge_borders both

# Set inner/outer gaps
gaps inner 0
gaps outer 0

for_window [window_role="pop-up"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="bubble"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="task_dialog"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="Preferences"] floating enable
for_window [window_role="About"] floating enable

i see window

19:08

windows reference (based)

Teero

need sdl3

❓

Ewan

❓

jus a joke

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7223 Chat preview respect cl_show_chat_friends

Before: !image After: !image

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[x] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible ...

19:41

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7224 Fix 1-tick delay of player position, speed, angle HUD

Respect the intratick when displaying the player position, speed and angle, to fix this information always being shown for the next tick. See #6417. This does not resolve the issue yet, as there are more HUD and player elements that need to make use of the intratick.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or adde...

Ryozuki

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Nice

19:47

But

19:47

We already have many image generators

19:48

~~Specifically for generating anime girls~~

question is how well it works together with gpt

19:48

that could make it very powerful

19:48

e.g.

19:48

Embedded image

19:49

if that is true. would be completely insane

19:49

midjourney was the best draw in the world. but it was stupid af

19:49

understanding text

I wonder what they did to make it more precise

19:53

Is this just a diffusion model with better training?

i guess they somehow combined it with gpt intelligence.

19:55

e.g. maybe descripe the individual details first, then combine it into a final image

I think gpt can use this tool

19:58

So it's not exactly integrated into it

19:58

It's hard to tell

i could imagine it's a model that actually is connected to gpt3

20:00

similar to our brain.. but ofc still very different xd

I wonder if chatgpt could communicate with the diffusion model using some "ai language" and not english

yeah maybe it doesnt really communicate over text

20:01

but over "neurons"

I guess it depends on how you train the models

Jupstar ✪

did have this before?

i just come back after 1 year drop

Jupstar ✪

did have this before?

i jsut need some how reduce single cpu, if possible do multicore

triki

i jsut need some how reduce single cpu, if possible do multicore

u can change the thread schedular.. but no idea how under windows

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

5a4e3b1 Update server browser when adding friends from ingame. - furo321 b7cbbb4 Merge pull request #7222 from furo321/update-server-browser - Robyt3

20:14

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7222 Update server browser when adding friends from ingame.

Jupstar ✪

u can change the thread schedular.. but no idea how under windows

i think it is possible just by change game settings, but i try change fps and no reaction at all (edited)

triki

i think it is possible just by change game settings, but i try change fps and no reaction at all (edited)

u can limit cpu usage

20:15

over cl_refresh_rate

20:15

it might affect input tho

Jupstar ✪

over cl_refresh_rate

ye i aready tried that

Jupstar ✪

over cl_refresh_rate

like i said before, no reaction at all

what did u set it to?

20:16

cl_refresh_rate 60 should almost eliminate all usage

Jupstar ✪

what did u set it to?

30 fps and still overloaded cpu

u sure u used CL

20:17

not gfx

Jupstar ✪

u sure u used CL

what is it

CL refresh rate

20:17

not GFX refresh rate

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

4e9556e Chat preview respect cl_show_chat_friends - furo321 cd37c2d Merge pull request #7223 from furo321/preview-only-friends - Robyt3

20:17

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7223 Chat preview respect cl_show_chat_friends

Jupstar ✪

CL refresh rate

it is gfx or cl (edited)

Image attachment

if its in graphics settings

20:18

its gfx

20:18

the other is in general

lol ye its help

20:20

but what diff?

20:20

@Jupstar ✪

cl = the whole game loop: simulation + input + prepare gfx calls gfx = only gfx calls

1 unlimited 2 320

Image attachment

Jupstar ✪

cl = the whole game loop: simulation + input + prepare gfx calls gfx = only gfx calls

why why it is set up so cringe on default?

triki

why why it is set up so cringe on default?

have u played with 320

20:22

it changes the input

20:22

i personally can't play with it

20:22

feels weird

i sure some one too lag cus too have unlimited

i dont think so

20:22

lags = overheating

20:22

most ppl have good coolers

Jupstar ✪

lags = overheating

wtf it is like mining

it's a single core on 100% "only"

if i run any game it is dont have any lags.

20:24

but tw lag

good, but that doesnt mean its tws fault xD

20:24

it's your setup that causes it

Jupstar ✪

good, but that doesnt mean its tws fault xD

idk i have 5.1 ghz

20:24

and no overheat at all

u can also have 8ghz and no lags

i think

if it lags, it must be either some software bug. or some hardware bug

Jupstar ✪

u can also have 8ghz and no lags

ofc cus its more powerfull

and cooling is pretty likely

Jupstar ✪

and cooling is pretty likely

fck it is still frezzed some times (edited)

Jupstar ✪

else try to restart windows over "Restart" first.. this often helps

^ did u try this already

it's imagen how 2d game have always lags (edited)

no matter which computer i try.. not even my android phone (1000+ fps) i ever had any lags

last 5 years always need dance with settings for have "no lag tw" (edited)

my debug graph

Image attachment

20:31

if u want to compare

20:31

but i have cl refresh rate 0 and gfx refresh rate 1440

Jupstar ✪

no matter which computer i try.. not even my android phone (1000+ fps) i ever had any lags

i change 3 pc and every time its better and still lags. (edited)

triki

last 5 years always need dance with settings for have "no lag tw" (edited)

LAN server ofc

Jupstar ✪

my debug graph

Image attachment

20:37

this is unlimited

20:37

Image attachment

the only problem i could slightly imagine is #1996 since i'm on linux i dont have this problem but most ppl don't complain about lags, so it would be weird if this is really the issue

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/1996

Windows and recvfrom performance issues · Issue #1996 · ddnet/ddnet

So i asked someone who also has lags/bad fps in windows to profile cpu: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554329039561818123/654328747708645417/unknown.png As you can see net_udp_recv is using...

triki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

yeah i mean doesn't look too bad to me tbh

20:39

does LAN server also lag?

20:39

if u play there

Jupstar ✪

does LAN server also lag?

idk didnt play

Jupstar ✪

if u play there

why if i set 60 fps its lagg like 20 fps

newest client?

Jupstar ✪

newest client?

17 2 1

then dunno

when i change Hz my mouse change speed when i move

20:43

@Jupstar ✪ this is so confusing

You can try: cl_refresh_rate 60; gfx_refresh_rate 0; gfx_asyncrender_old 0

20:45

anyway sleep is awaiting me. have a good one u can reset all config variables with reset <var>

on any other game if u change fps this is no effect on mouse sentivity.

Jupstar ✪

You can try: cl_refresh_rate 60; gfx_refresh_rate 0; gfx_asyncrender_old 0

idk i smth change and feel like my mouse have more smooth moves and it is annoyng

Jupstar ✪

You can try: cl_refresh_rate 60; gfx_refresh_rate 0; gfx_asyncrender_old 0

and ye it is lag

20:47

still

Jupstar ✪

You can try: cl_refresh_rate 60; gfx_refresh_rate 0; gfx_asyncrender_old 0

after alt+ tab when back into game it is have fps like 20

triki

after alt+ tab when back into game it is have fps like 20

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/GFX_Troubleshooting#Low_FPS,_stuttering_or_similar_problems Btw this is all the trouble shooting i collected over the years that helped somebody

GFX Troubleshooting

There are numerous graphics (gfx) related bugs users encountered. Not all are fixable, but might have workarounds. This site is there to collect these to help those encountering the same issues.

Jupstar ✪

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/GFX_Troubleshooting#Low_FPS,_stuttering_or_similar_problems Btw this is all the trouble shooting i collected over the years that helped somebody

lol

Jupstar ✪

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/GFX_Troubleshooting#Low_FPS,_stuttering_or_similar_problems Btw this is all the trouble shooting i collected over the years that helped somebody

what about smooth mouse move?

21:07

how to fix that?

Smother is always better

21:07

Just get used to it

Jupstar ✪

Smother is always better

nope

Trust me Source: Internet

Jupstar ✪

Trust me Source: Internet

trust me, i swa some video about game desing and smooth is problem on new games

21:10

if u need more realistic video u need smooth but on CS GO it will kill game on tw same (edited)

Well with smooth i don't mean motion blur or some weird effects. But if it feels faster. It's better

Jupstar ✪

Well with smooth i don't mean motion blur or some weird effects. But if it feels faster. It's better

im not about clear. i wanna fast change my mouse but i cant cus it is smooth look like delay but it is not delay (edited)

triki

what about smooth mouse move?

Do you have vsync enabled?

Teero

Do you have vsync enabled?

Nope (edited)

hmm okay

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

cf0df5b Use GameTickSpeed instead of 50 and SERVER_TICK_SPEED - Robyt3 ed9a95a Fix 1-tick delay of player position, speed, angle HUD - Robyt3 545852b Merge pull request #7224 from Robyt3/Demo-Hud-Intratick - def-

23:11

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7224 Fix 1-tick delay of player position, speed, angle HUD

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