DDraceNetwork - general

@Robyt3 @Jupstar ✪ bad news, since i made all of that changes my ddnet is running in 350 fps

03:40

I've no idea what you talk about xd

04:26

Select other graphics card in ddnet settings

Jupstar ✪

I've no idea what you talk about xd

don't u remember? xd

04:34

ok, that's what im doing

04:34

and fps still the same

04:34

390

☠BlackWolf☠

390

if your computer is really old then maybe thats why the drop happend

bro is not old

04:35

wdy,

04:35

xd

☠BlackWolf☠

ok, that's what im doing

Did u restart afterwards

05:05

Does f1 confirm the new gpu is selected

look

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☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Select Intel

Iris X

05:07

=

05:08

1 fps

05:08

and im deadass

The Intel will run better. Install its drivers

160 fps

05:09

with Intel

05:09

Can't read it but yeah install

well

05:10

it says

05:10

If there is a newer graphics driver available from Lenovo, we recommend that you install that driver. For more information about installing an Intel driver on your OEM system, see this article.

Use the one from Intel directly

05:11

But u can also first try that

05:24

Well

05:24

Idk what im doing

05:24

But im pretty sure not the correct things

05:25

Looks good to me

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

How well does this one work?

Jupstar ✪

How well does this one work?

Not working, I updated everything

06:37

☠BlackWolf☠

Not working, I updated everything

Bruh. No way the Intel GPU is so bad tear

07:04

Try driver from Intel directly

07:04

These oem drivers are not trustworthy to me

07:05

If you have trouble https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056629/graphics.html

Graphics Driver Installation Error: "Your system has a...

Solution for how to install Intel Graphics Driver 26.20.100.8141 or newer when receiving Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) installation errors.

hm

@+KZ you edited your messages changing the license field after submitting skins. that's not allowed. can you edit your submissions to undo the license change, or do you want to withdraw your submissions? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/985717921600929872/1151681912394481704

Can't we disable editing. Just delete and reapply

10:49

Besides that. By just be by

apparently discord doesn't offer disabling editing

heinrich5991

@+KZ you edited your messages changing the license field after submitting skins. that's not allowed. can you edit your submissions to undo the license change, or do you want to withdraw your submissions? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/985717921600929872/1151681912394481704

Oh, i was doing that mainly because i cant submit a CC-BY-NC-SA license (bot deletes the message) (edited)

+KZ

Oh, i was doing that mainly because i cant submit a CC-BY-NC-SA license (bot deletes the message) (edited)

the bot deleted the message because we don't support that license

11:06

if you don't want to submit your work under one of the required licenses, then it can't be added to the skin db

heinrich5991

the bot deleted the message because we don't support that license

Why do we support nd but not sa tho?

we don't support ND, the message needs to be adjusted

11:08

I pinged louis about it

Oh ok

ND?

11:09

I was using NC (non commercial)

sad, no more skins from me I guess

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Many skins on the database avtually have this license, however if you want, i can change my last submissions to CC BY SA

Ravie

sad, no more skins from me I guess

you can still upload them to skins.tw e.g., if you prefer a stricter license

+KZ

Many skins on the database avtually have this license, however if you want, i can change my last submissions to CC BY SA

that would be cool

I don't like that

11:10

ddnet db is og

Can i edit the last two post to fix that? (You said i cant edit :p) (edited)

11:12

Otherwise i can re submit

+KZ

Can i edit the last two post to fix that? (You said i cant edit :p) (edited)

@murpi

+KZ

Can i edit the last two post to fix that? (You said i cant edit :p) (edited)

You can edit your messages, no need to re-submit.

Ok

Also don't add notes to your submission, the upload bot doesn't like that I think.

Also, edit #📍info if you really wont allow other CC licenses ("More licences" section) (edited)

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It also doesn't like by being cqpitilized

11:15

Capitalized

Yeah but looks like i dont have another option

Small by

My skins will be monetized :(

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I mean the word "by"

11:16

After the skin name

11:17

Either the submit bot must be stricter, or the upload bot less sensitive.. the first makes the uploads more consistent. The other is more user friendly xd (edited)

we shouldnt allow NC and specially ND

Ryozuki

we shouldnt allow NC and specially ND

why not?

quoting heinrich

11:35

-ND is really bad for DDNet as it doesn't allow us to change the file for a different skin format etc. Both -ND and -NC are considered non-free licenses and it means we cannot ship them with the client if we want to be considered open-source.

11:35

and i agree with this

db skins aren't getting shipped with client

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-ND and -NC skins should be distributed with other skin servers like skins.tw

11:36

ddnet should stay free, open, forver

skins are 3rd party content

ddnet.org is part of ddnet for me

11:37

all of ddnet.org must be free and open source itself

and ddnet doesnt monetize skins so is fully compatible with NC

so if u submit a skin to ddnet (this server)

11:37

it is part of ddnet for me

+KZ

and ddnet doesnt monetize skins so is fully compatible with NC

its non-free

11:37

it goes against the philosophy

+KZ

and ddnet doesnt monetize skins so is fully compatible with NC

I'm not so sure on this. ddnet asks for donations

you're just excluding people who would like to upload skins but don't want to be forced to give up rights to their work

there are at least donations that fall under "commercial"

11:37

I do not know whether ddnet's would be okay

Ravie

you're just excluding people who would like to upload skins but don't want to be forced to give up rights to their work

well this is a open source project, they can always upload to another skin aggregator

11:38

oh this reminds me of a post

11:38

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.en.html

Ryozuki

well this is a open source project, they can always upload to another skin aggregator

you'll just hurt the quality of the official db like this

The GNU GPL is not Mr. Nice Guy. It says no to some of the things that people sometimes want to do. There are users who say that this is a bad thing—that the GPL “excludes” some proprietary software developers who “need to be brought into the free software community.” But we are not excluding them from our community; they are choosing not to enter. Their decision to make software proprietary is a decision to stay out of our community. Being in our community means joining in cooperation with us; we cannot “bring them into our community” if they don't want to join. What we can do is offer them an inducement to join. The GNU GPL is designed to make an inducement from our existing software: “If you will make your software free, you can use this code.” Of course, it won't win 'em all, but it wins some of the time.

11:38

reminded me a lot of this

11:38

whatu said about excluding

only in this case ddnet is missing out on some good skins

no, its not missing out on anything

11:40

its the people who chose not to contribute

11:40

this is like me contributing to ddnet

11:40

its not a good take

NC ND allows distributing, which is what the db does, so it's perfectly fine

im against it

11:41

also maps shouldnt have NC and ND too

I'm out then

bye!

Licenses are stupid anyway

11:41

Free yourself

yes

11:41

choose CC0

11:41

the closest to non license

most maps are unlicensed so technically that's worse than being allowed to just distribute them (edited)

accepting maps without license is ddnet biggest mistake

11:44

too bad nobody thought this at start

well I'm down to change all my maps to NC ND

im down to remove em

remove rust

rust has a nice license

-NC seems fine if the skin is included in the community database only imo

it has nasty looking syntax

nah

11:46

c++ is uglier

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->->->->

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have u seen template programming

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damn

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thats some ugly creation

also there is a lot of skins on the database with NC or ND so... (edited)

11:47

mainly from pipou

11:47

https://ddnet.org/skins/index.php?search=%24license%3Acc%20by-nc-sa https://ddnet.org/skins/index.php?search=%24license%3Acc%20by-nc-nd (edited)

I don't see any -ND skins in our database

also skins are not only distributed via the server, many distributions offer a skins package with the non community skins

Most of the time u don't need to deal with rust ugliness(e.g. lifetime parameters)

and NC is not compatible with debian for example, according to heinrich xd

Jupstar ✪

Most of the time u don't need to deal with rust ugliness(e.g. lifetime parameters)

lifetimes are beautiful

The concept yes

i cant wait for the next gen language with a borrow checker and added safety (edited)

11:48

i wonder how would u conceptualize lifetimes like rust but better @Jupstar ✪ ?

11:48

#developer is leaking

11:48

its ravie fault for saying rust

Ryozuki

and NC is not compatible with debian for example, according to heinrich xd

https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#Creative_Commons_Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike_.28CC_BY-NC-SA.29

I dunno. Maybe choose a nicer syntax that isnt shared with generics

i think it makes lot of sense idk

11:50

but im also not creative enough

the language itself might be good but I just think it's ugly, sorry xd

thats fine xd

When rewrite ddnet in edlang santatrollet

rust needs to expresss lot more stuff so it obviously will feel less clean

It's very similar to pascal syntax wise

MilkeeyCat

When rewrite ddnet in edlang santatrollet

murpi

I don't see any -ND skins in our database

https://ddnet.org/skins/index.php?search=%24license%3Acc%20by-nc-nd

Just better xd

edlang looks rustlike rn

No c++?

No header files? feelsbadman

@MilkeeyCat new name?

No

11:52

It always will be MilkeeyCat

but ur nuts

11:53

oh its ur pronoun

11:53

xd

@murpi rename me to MilkeeyCat in the server

Ryozuki

oh its ur pronoun

oh, you can select pronouns in your discord profile now

yes, nobody is using mine and I very offended

xd

His Majesty would prefer to use -ND licenses

His Majesty indeed would (edited)

should we do like france then?

11:55

Ravie

His Majesty indeed would (edited)

you mean "His Majesty"

gottem

heinrich5991

you mean "His Majesty"

What happened to your role

it somehow got backwards

I got the name changed because people pinged the role instead of my name

5

i love the new role name

Is this the intended way to do this section, or is there a better technique?

Throw? xD

ye just throw

Idk how to do a horizontal throw, time to find out ig (edited)

Patty💜

Idk how to do a horizontal throw, time to find out ig (edited)

https://youtu.be/gp4wXgS3uO4?si=11Tdi2at6aJ2SNB-

DDJoyNetwork

Every Technique You Need To Know (Novice) - DDRaceNetwork

12:54

Goto 2:30

12:54

Nothing hard

Nouaa

Goto 2:30

Ahh, thanks, I got it! I had to make the dummy copy movement when hammered to get it to work heartw

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16:12

just wtf

Languages other than english -> #off-topic

Jupstar ✪

Bruh. No way the Intel GPU is so bad tear

Sadly, yes

16:41

Nothing to do

16:41

I won't fk up this laptop :c

murpi

Languages other than english -> #off-topic

Ahahaahah. Sorry, I think it's another chat (type to friend)xDDDD

^^

☠BlackWolf☠

I won't fk up this laptop :c

what exactly is the GPU called?

16:47

or what processor do u have

16:50

xd

16:50

i gotta buy a new laptop fr

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xD

16:51

or a desk one

16:54

i just noticed that my vram sucks

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

bro no way at full hd it only outputs 160fps xD

17:08

reinstall windows lmao

17:09

my phone does like 1.5k FPS

Jupstar ✪

reinstall windows lmao

that's the problem? :c

☠BlackWolf☠

that's the problem? :c

i dunno, it somehow seems to not accept your intel driver

17:09

i cannot imagine otherwise

17:10

but u tried a driver from intel?

17:10

https://downloadmirror.intel.com/788440/gfx_win_101.4824.exe ^ https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056629/graphics.html

Graphics Driver Installation Error: "Your system has a...

Solution for how to install Intel Graphics Driver 26.20.100.8141 or newer when receiving Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) installation errors.

At this point, I think that everything is completely updated since I don't like to keep things outdated

☠BlackWolf☠

At this point, I think that everything is completely updated since I don't like to keep things outdated

yeah but u tried the lenovo OEM driver

17:13

maybe that sucks

17:14

did u put energy options to max performance?

17:14

do you play in entities?

17:14

OEM drivers might limit the perf for more battery life

17:14

i dunno what they do

17:14

but i dont trust them xd

Jupstar ✪

did u put energy options to max performance?

yep

Jupstar ✪

did u put energy options to max performance?

well, lemme check that

17:21

sus

17:22

17:23

WTF

guys i love kids

17:25

Everything is ok

СЛАВА УКРАИНЕ

guys i love kids

hoooold on, I find somth sus @Jupstar ✪

17:35

It says that I have a bunch of missing updates

17:35

XD

17:36

tf is wrong with auto updates

@☠BlackWolf☠ you have a nvidia GPU?

Ye

he does, but he has nvidia optimus

17:36

so we try to use his intel gpu

17:36

but for some reason it only does like 200fps xd

its enough

ye xd

17:36

+ for other games

Jupstar ✪

he does, but he has nvidia optimus

He needs to force the cpu as renderer in nvidia control panel

like valorant, etc etc, i get like 150

ermm not ddnet? offtopic channel is calling.... pick up da phone yo!

stfu @cyberFighter

17:37

we're bussy

Nouaa

He needs to force the cpu as renderer in nvidia control panel

it is using intel now

17:37

but it only has 200fps

In F1 it says Intel stuff?

17:39

everything is sus at thsi point

17:39

omg

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Go in the second tab, search ddnet and set the renderer to nvidia

17:40

For me it was the issue, i went from 200 to 3k

he uses vulkan

17:40

in vk u can select the gpu inside the client

Yeah but I tried that way and it didn't work for me as well

17:41

Inside the client

but with nvidia he has 400fps

17:41

capped

17:41

bcs of optimus

Nouaa

Go in the second tab, search ddnet and set the renderer to nvidia

Still the same

17:42

400 fps

just do what i said about OEM drivers

17:42

if that aint work

17:42

throw the laptop against your neighbour

17:42

blame him for destroying it

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buy new

18:03

I JUST

18:03

updated this s

Jupstar ✪

just do what i said about OEM drivers

where

18:14

btw, how long it takes to reinstall windows?

Jupstar ✪

https://downloadmirror.intel.com/788440/gfx_win_101.4824.exe ^ https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056629/graphics.html

@☠BlackWolf☠

18:22

this

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this one?

if that's from the download link

18:25

then yes

18:25

but why wireless software

Wireless software?

i start to believe u troll me

18:25

i told ya what to do

TF

18:25

is that

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u are

https://downloadmirror.intel.com/788440/gfx_win_101.4824.exe

18:26

it says gfx_win

18:26

why does it install a wireless software

What the hell

18:27

is this

18:27

everything looks so big

ok

18:30

done

18:31

my pc is slower now but ok

?

18:32

srsly we talk about 2 different things rn

18:32

maybe someone else can help

Im doing what u are saying

18:33

already install it

why should the pc be slower just bcs u updated the GPU driver xD

i just

did the install work?

18:33

no problems?

18:33

no errors

i think yes

18:34

it rebooted my sis

ok

all seems normal

18:34

i think

open ddnet, press f1, send screenshot

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purple text

18:34

"gfx .."

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

scroll up

18:35

purple text

18:36

xD

ok looks good

18:36

still bad fps?

yea

18:36

imma throw this s out of my w

mh ok

18:37

it's really weird

and with nvidia

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400

18:37

fps

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:c

i simply cant believe the intel GPU sucks so hard xD

18:37

yeah :/

18:37

but it's not nvidia GPU's fault it's nvidia optimus

18:37

it basically copys the output to the intel GPU

18:38

and the intel puts it on your monitor xd

18:38

my CPU has more FPS than your GPU

18:38

:/

the weird thing

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is that

18:39

before the crashes

18:39

ddnet was running in

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+1000 fps

18:39

idk why

18:39

with nvidia

i doubt

18:40

use OpenGL, set use preferred GPU to Intel

18:40

in the nvidia control panel

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

here

18:40

just for testing

18:40

after test u can revert back to nvidia

how do i get in there

18:45

i forgot it

search nvidia control panel

oooh yes

18:46

integrated graphics?

yes

done

18:48

still bad fps

18:48

☠BlackWolf☠

still bad fps

show screenshot of purple text again

18:50

i want to make sure

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

u didnt select opengl

18:52

try again with opengl

which version

3.3

18:52

or 3.0

18:52

doesnt matter

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

mh , now it uses nvidia again

yep

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

did u change smth in nvidia control panel for ddnet specifically?

18:54

in the second tab

ye

choose intel there too

18:54

or integrated

done

restart

18:54

f1

wait

18:55

wrong one

yeah

ah nice

18:56

finally worked

18:56

try taht ingame

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tf

epic

why i cant take ss

18:57

XD

f10

18:58

wait

18:58

did u play in windowed fullscreen the whole time?

yes

lmao (edited)

18:58

that also destroys fps on windows

18:58

anyway

18:58

how many FPS?

1000

nice

18:59

950, 1000...

18:59

full screen

but srsly what's wrong with intel gpu drivers

19:00

fcking worst hardware company ever xd

19:00

did they built their vulkan drivers in debug mode or what

lol

19:02

prob

19:03

now its running with

19:03

OPENGL 2.0.0

19:03

ah yeah

19:03

opengl 3.0+ are broken with intel on windows

19:03

i forgot

19:03

yea

19:05

intel suks

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ok so, now

19:05

if i want to run other games

19:05

i have to change

change global settings back

19:05

but leave ddnet

yea

☠BlackWolf☠

Click to see attachment 🖼️

jesus christ

19:11

is it not blue enough

Its in the perfect point

19:25

Perfect blue

did they change team colors in nightly? 36 is green instead of blue and 47 is now blue instead of purple

NOOOOOOOOOO

21:05

dont change colors!

21:05

please im begging you (edited)

You can still get basically the same color as before, it's just a different team number. See https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7129

Use golden angle to generate unique, distinct DDTeam colors by Roby...

The DDTeam colors were previously generated in HSL by taking the team index and multiplying it by 360/64° to calculate the hue, which results in team colors being evenly distributed over the entire...