DDraceNetwork - mapping

how does this work :D

Steinchen

how does this work :D

The door or the checkpoint?

PopCorn181

The door or the checkpoint?

Door

Use the doors on the switch layers instead if you want them to open and close. Put them on any unused number (you can find them in the top left). Put the doors and the switches on the same number so they interact with each other.

PopCorn181

Use the doors on the switch layers instead if you want them to open and close. Put them on any unused number (you can find them in the top left). Put the doors and the switches on the same number so they interact with each other.

Is the setup i did in the picture alright?

00:55

Or am I missing something?

00:55

Because what you described is exactly what I did

Don't put doors in tiles @Steinchen

I got it to work, thanks :D

Np

Steinchen

how does this work :D

easy skip

@ᶰ°Konͧsti @murpi Hey. I clearly remember the situation that happened with these two maps. Of course, the El Futuro version was created first. That "Pablik" was hosted on the "KonaTbI4" server for only a few days, after which El Futuro himself registered on Trutee forum and wrote a big angry post, accusing the Russian mapmakers of plagiarism. Of course everyone on the forum supported the original author and the map was removed from the servers. At that time "HDP Obstaculos" had already existed for more than half-year, I think. P. S.: I'm not that "Jamby" who is listed in the authors of the "Pablik" map. I just have the same nickname on discord/steam rn. In fact, the history of the origin of this map is still a mystery to me. 3 authors for just redesigning the map. Jamby himself at that time was already a relatively well-known mapper of DDrace/fng maps. I communicated with him quite well while playing on the "KonaTbI4", and even took part in the test of his maps (not this one). But he still didn't admit how he was involved in this story. А couple of years ago I got caught with him on the server, playing just this map "HDP Obstaculos". I joked that he was the real author and again tried to find out how they made this copy of the map, but he never talked about this topic.

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Jamby

@ᶰ°Konͧsti @murpi Hey. I clearly remember the situation that happened with these two maps. Of course, the El Futuro version was created first. That "Pablik" was hosted on the "KonaTbI4" server for only a few days, after which El Futuro himself registered on Trutee forum and wrote a big angry post, accusing the Russian mapmakers of plagiarism. Of course everyone on the forum supported the original author and the map was removed from the servers. At that time "HDP Obstaculos" had already existed for more than half-year, I think. P. S.: I'm not that "Jamby" who is listed in the authors of the "Pablik" map. I just have the same nickname on discord/steam rn. In fact, the history of the origin of this map is still a mystery to me. 3 authors for just redesigning the map. Jamby himself at that time was already a relatively well-known mapper of DDrace/fng maps. I communicated with him quite well while playing on the "KonaTbI4", and even took part in the test of his maps (not this one). But he still didn't admit how he was involved in this story. А couple of years ago I got caught with him on the server, playing just this map "HDP Obstaculos". I joked that he was the real author and again tried to find out how they made this copy of the map, but he never talked about this topic.

so it means Obstaculos was indeed the original map? From language side that would make sense tho

As I said, at the time of creation "Pablik", Obstaculos already existed for more than six months and was also hosted on KonaTbI4's servers. There wasn't test team at the time to discover such a case

Obstaculos is the original version afaik, it's what I remember playing way back in the day

No information currently available extends to the date when Pablik 1 was first found. So unless someone finds actual facts with source, any other claims would merely be regarded as unverified rumors. :/

I just remember playing "HDP_Obstaculos" in my first years, I started in 2009

07:53

I don't even recall a version named Pablik

@Tsin Know anything?

The earliest mention of the HDP_Obstaculos that I was able to find is May 12, 2012 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0UeF7U_O-4&t=116s It's still not 2011, but it's closer to that than the version from Heinrich's archive (April 12, 2013). And as @ᶰ°Konͧsti already pointed out, it is very suspicious that the "Pablik" shows the name "ELFUTURO", and all the mapres are titled as "ELFUTURO" justatest

I wrote about it to HeroiAmarelo on teeworlds.com forum since he is present in this video and he held a tournament on this map in 2012 (there is a thread on teeworlds forum). Maybe he will be able to tell something. I hope he still visits that forum justatest

All Things Teeworlds!

iDDRace MOD - Teeworlds (Dummy Commands Tutorial)

Here's a video of el futuro playing in the HDP clan leader's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HgiUsLvjZQ suggesting that he's a member of HDP, or at least plays with them

nicolas9612 - nicola96s

professional hammerfly

09:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orAHPrD1pRc&t=75s Video that has the map appear in it, though it's 2012

nicolas9612 - nicola96s

Video-Promo - Clan HDP - v1.4

Skeith

Here's a video of el futuro playing in the HDP clan leader's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HgiUsLvjZQ suggesting that he's a member of HDP, or at least plays with them

This video is July 11th, 2011... The fact that the "Pablik" version has his name in it should be enough proof to keep it as HDP imo, nothing indicates el futuro having anything to do with the russian community, only HDP

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lets be real pablik sounds lame as a name anyway

El futuro is a spanish name, HDP is a hispanic clan, it all adds up

Jamby

@ᶰ°Konͧsti @murpi Hey. I clearly remember the situation that happened with these two maps. Of course, the El Futuro version was created first. That "Pablik" was hosted on the "KonaTbI4" server for only a few days, after which El Futuro himself registered on Trutee forum and wrote a big angry post, accusing the Russian mapmakers of plagiarism. Of course everyone on the forum supported the original author and the map was removed from the servers. At that time "HDP Obstaculos" had already existed for more than half-year, I think. P. S.: I'm not that "Jamby" who is listed in the authors of the "Pablik" map. I just have the same nickname on discord/steam rn. In fact, the history of the origin of this map is still a mystery to me. 3 authors for just redesigning the map. Jamby himself at that time was already a relatively well-known mapper of DDrace/fng maps. I communicated with him quite well while playing on the "KonaTbI4", and even took part in the test of his maps (not this one). But he still didn't admit how he was involved in this story. А couple of years ago I got caught with him on the server, playing just this map "HDP Obstaculos". I joked that he was the real author and again tried to find out how they made this copy of the map, but he never talked about this topic.

Everything points to this being true

09:27

Only reason I dug so much, I know HDP_Obstaculos is the original, and it annoys me to see it renamed happy

Pablik is terrible name

Skeith

This video is July 11th, 2011... The fact that the "Pablik" version has his name in it should be enough proof to keep it as HDP imo, nothing indicates el futuro having anything to do with the russian community, only HDP

As I remember, El Futuro attached a screenshot with his nickname and also pointed it out on the Trutee.ru forum. Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is at least one other witness who remembers this situation and continues to play Teeworlds

HDP_Pablik

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Hein's map list doesn't even have any entries for HDP_Obstaculos in 2012, even though there are forum posts indicating someone hosting it in 2012. @heinrich5991 What are your thoughts on this? Why wouldn't it be recorded on your list?

is there a way how to get creation date form map file?

Skeith

Hein's map list doesn't even have any entries for HDP_Obstaculos in 2012, even though there are forum posts indicating someone hosting it in 2012. @heinrich5991 What are your thoughts on this? Why wouldn't it be recorded on your list?

don't rely on dates in the map archive

09:40

they don't show when maps first appeared, they might at most show when I added them

09:40

I haven't consistently added new maps over the years

I see, thanks (edited)

Lots of people in 2010-2012 era wanted to have their own servers but didn't rly knew how to make maps. It was a very common practice to make your own server. Take someones map. Add name of your "clan" on the map and release it on your server. Sometimes they did make few tiny changes in the maps. Everyone in that era knew HDP maps only few knew Pablik. heinrich database is not by any means a source to gather info about dates of map releases. Lots of maps in that database are some leaked alpha/beta versions.

With all of this information, it should be changed back to HDP_Obstaculos imo, burden of proof should be on whoever made Pablik at this point

Skeith

El futuro is a spanish name, HDP is a hispanic clan, it all adds up

it means the future yeah

Skeith

El futuro is a spanish name, HDP is a hispanic clan, it all adds up

i would dare say HDP means "hijos de puta" xdddd

Aye

didn't know there was a old spanish clan

oh now I know what is this whole dispute about xD (edited)

obstaculos is also a spanish word btw

09:50

pablik isnt

name of that map is not Pablik 1 ^^ and it should be changed

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Tsin

oh now I know what is this whole dispute about xD (edited)

and u always with this narrative

09:51

because thats true

nah

heinrich5991

I haven't consistently added new maps over the years

Do you handle ur list manually?

instead of asking someone who knows they always did their own

09:52

its just funny to see u so butthurt every time

09:52

but u always assume bad faith on ddnet part

09:52

and its just a name after all

@Faulty ^ You've got any more input to this given your role as one of the mappers of "Pablik 2"? (edited)

Broso56

Do you handle ur list manually?

yes, for the most part

09:54

@Tsin no insults, thank you

heinrich5991

yes, for the most part

That's crazy, I just assumed it was automated for ddnet servers and maybe other partnered servers lol

murpi

@Faulty ^ You've got any more input to this given your role as one of the mappers of "Pablik 2"? (edited)

el futuro's name is on the 2011 "pablik" version, the video I posted above has el futuro playing with HDP players, that video predates the pablik release date in hein's list, if you're going entirely off of that (you were) then you can safely rename it back

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Skeith the parrot

: )

Skeith

El futuro is a spanish name, HDP is a hispanic clan, it all adds up

yeah as i also said. Russian community is also pretty well known for stealing maps, EpicFail for example published the Freedoom series as Decline series

Skeith

el futuro's name is on the 2011 "pablik" version, the video I posted above has el futuro playing with HDP players, that video predates the pablik release date in hein's list, if you're going entirely off of that (you were) then you can safely rename it back

Can you elaborate the first part? What does

el futuro's name is on the 2011 "pablik" version

exactly mean?

@Tsin I'm sorry, I don't see how you're deescalating

ᶰ°Konͧsti

also the name is written in the map so El Futuro is most likely the original mapper

This

everyone can care exactly as much as they want to

10:01

go to DMs if you want to discuss this

The fact that his name is there, suggests he made the original version, it's in the same location as the non pablik version, it suggests they stole the map

10:04

Why would they randomly put spanish words on their map, they're russian

10:04

The same words as the name of a well known mapper at the time (el futuro) (edited)

10:05

A well known mapper that has ties with HDP clan members

Skeith

The fact that his name is there, suggests he made the original version, it's in the same location as the non pablik version, it suggests they stole the map

Not necessarily. Recognition is provided when it's deserved. They could have just added El Futuro's name for using their resources in the map.

Ryozuki

its just funny to see u so butthurt every time

Its you who imply something that is not true. @heinrich5991 there was no insult in what I wrote stop implying that I have insulted anyone. Name of that map is not Pablik 1 and it should be changed.

wait so if pablik 1 is stolen, is 2 also stolen or is it like a bootleg of 1? xd

cyberFighter

wait so if pablik 1 is stolen, is 2 also stolen or is it like a bootleg of 1? xd

That's a possibility, same for Pablik 3.

10:13

In general, any map could've been stolen work. None of the maps are licensed and can freely be edited by anyone.

i wont argue more as heinrich said

just rename it back to HDP_Obstaculos as previous reason to rename "heinrich's archive date" is not valid proof

Axaris

just rename it back to HDP_Obstaculos as previous reason to rename "heinrich's archive date" is not valid proof

Why is that?

I don't think a single person recognizes that map as Pablik 1, it was one of the most played maps back in the day

murpi

Why is that?

as he claimed by self dates may not reflect reality?

Axaris

as he claimed by self dates may not reflect reality?

That's not what he said.

"don't rely on dates in the map archive they don't show when maps first appeared, they might at most show when I added them I haven't consistently added new maps over the year"

He did in fact say that

10:29

Idk, seems weird to not change it back when you so quickly changed it to Pablik 1 with less evidence that suggests it's the correct name

Axaris

as he claimed by self dates may not reflect reality?

In reality, those dates represent the last instances when we have concrete evidence of discovering those maps.

he did not confirm it...

@heinrich5991 What's your opinion on him using the dates to make this decision after reading the above information

10:33

You're the one that makes the list, you're the one with enough knowledge to decide if this reasoning for keeping the name is bad

I have not decided anything, that's simply my current opinion on this entire ordeal.

murpi

Not necessarily. Recognition is provided when it's deserved. They could have just added El Futuro's name for using their resources in the map.

What assets would they have used? A font?

Skeith

What assets would they have used? A font?

The mapres files has El Futuro's name in it.

we have on one side as proof date in archive whose creator saying they might be wrong and other side Jamby's witness El Futuro's spanish (obstaculous = obstacles in spanish) video connecting him with HDP clan dating before archive Pablik date and I strongly feel when I played this map with /r /save and /load on ddrace+ in 2011 it was called HDP_Obstaculous and not Pablik

Skeith

I don't think a single person recognizes that map as Pablik 1, it was one of the most played maps back in the day

Please be more factual, cuz that's just major BS. ^^

No it isn't

How do you know it's the most played map back in the days?

10:38

Can you provide the data to this?

I played back in the day, and I didn't say it's the most, I said it's one of

10:39

It was very actively played

I played it back then a lot too

Of course not, but I guess a player from 2009 has no weight on the matter

10:40

Even tsin agrees

10:40

He's the definition of oldschool

we also have the finishes count!

Maybe ask snail, he's also oldschool, I'm sure he'd also say HDP_Obstaculos is the one everyone played back in the day

10:42

I know snail's oldschool, cause I respected him back then :)

He was the second person to comment on this being stolen. ^^

What was his stance?

10:44

That el futuro stole it?

That I don't know. He simply just commented on Coke's findings. (edited)

I'd be very shocked if he said Pablik was the original

@murpi Okay, well, I don't think I can clarify much. As it was from my side - tututu or Jamby (I don't have their contacts left and I don't remember the details, and skype deleted all the history) asked me to help with the map, they wanted to make a Pablik map, but with new obstacles, as the first version was already finished many times and they wanted something new. Who first renamed HDP_Obstaculous to Pablik I don't know, I didn't participate in it, I only added obstacles to the map. I do not think that the map is unique, but it was not made with the purpose of plagiarism.

10:51

Also, I didn't know the third version existed until today.

Skeith

I'd be very shocked if he said Pablik was the original

His comment does imply that he believes that Pablik is the original. I don't get why you'd be shocked though.

Because the map was named HDP_Obstaculos when everyone was playing it, it wasn't blue like in the "Pablik" version, and the pablik version added nothing new to it, it simply removed elfuturo's credits but missed one

Faulty

@murpi Okay, well, I don't think I can clarify much. As it was from my side - tututu or Jamby (I don't have their contacts left and I don't remember the details, and skype deleted all the history) asked me to help with the map, they wanted to make a Pablik map, but with new obstacles, as the first version was already finished many times and they wanted something new. Who first renamed HDP_Obstaculous to Pablik I don't know, I didn't participate in it, I only added obstacles to the map. I do not think that the map is unique, but it was not made with the purpose of plagiarism.

Our discussion has primarily centered around Pablik 1 exclusively. Your last sentence does seem to suggest that HDP_Obstaculous is the original; could you provide further clarification on this point?

Skeith

Because the map was named HDP_Obstaculos when everyone was playing it, it wasn't blue like in the "Pablik" version, and the pablik version added nothing new to it, it simply removed elfuturo's credits but missed one

One major loophole: What if the map was never meant to be public? What if the Pablik 1 was only used as a tournament map by the russian clan?

I gather there are some people who are absolutely sure of that. I don't know what it was really like, I wasn't familiar with El Futuro. Maybe someone still has his contacts, as it would be easier to ask him of course....

You could come up with all kinds of random reasons, I'm basically arguing against faith at this point

Skeith

You could come up with all kinds of random reasons, I'm basically arguing against faith at this point

Correct.

I form my opinion solely based of factual data we have right now, rather than rumors or opinions without sources

That doesn't seem to be the case

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Why is that?

Skeith

Even tsin agrees

Just to make it clear. I don't know the story behind HDP map and Pablik 1. I also don't know and don't have any source to show which one was first. I believe that HDP was the first one (this is only my believe). Theres also a fact that El Futuro made lots of great maps before that one. It would be rly strange for him taking someons map and add his name to it (it is possible yet very doubtful). I am howerver one hundred percent sure that what we see on ddnet website is not a map that should be named Pablik 1 Its real name starts as HDP_O........

11:02

thats why I think it should (not must) be changed

If you're so confident that el futuro didn't make the map, you should change it to the pablik 1 version

11:03

Advertising the russian site and all

murpi

One major loophole: What if the map was never meant to be public? What if the Pablik 1 was only used as a tournament map by the russian clan?

As a participant in those tournaments from Trutee.ru, this map was never a tournament map. But you can consider this just another rumor justatest

Skeith

If you're so confident that el futuro didn't make the map, you should change it to the pablik 1 version

Though, this isn't the version that anyone remembers playing (nor is the name)

Jamby

As a participant in those tournaments from Trutee.ru, this map was never a tournament map. But you can consider this just another rumor justatest

It was just a random counter argument on my part.

Skeith

That doesn't seem to be the case

Can you clarify?

I see from whole conversation that everyone agree that "Pablik 1" version and "HDP_O...." version are diffrent versions of one map so why names were swapped ?

I'm totally fine with renaming it back, if that's what people want btw. Everything I've said here is solely just an opinion of mine and not some kind of decision to keep it renamed.

if you want to keep the HDP_O version then name it HDP_O however if you want to keep the Pablik 1 name then keep the Pablik 1 version xD

11:09

I rly don't understand why the names were swapped

murpi

Can you clarify?

I guess it just felt like you weren't being exactly fair with all of the information being presented (edited)

Tsin

if you want to keep the HDP_O version then name it HDP_O however if you want to keep the Pablik 1 name then keep the Pablik 1 version xD

A proposal was made to rename HDP_Obstaculos to Pablik 1 since the earliest documented discovery of Pablik 1 predates HDP_Obstaculos, suggesting the map could potentially been stolen.

Hello

11:16

@Axaris

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yeah I understand that but still we all know that Pablik 1 is diffrent version. From my point of view the map should keep its name with the version of the map. Swapping names between versions just makes the stuff worse =/

Why not just make it a community vote

11:17

I don’t see why the random desicion has been made for the sake that the other maps have a similar name

If players want HDP version on ddnet keep HDP version and HDP name. If however players want Pablik 1 version then keep Pablik 1 version and Pablik 1 name. rly odd xD

It’s history that’s been around for a long time and this shouldn’t be changed at random

11:17

Tsin

If players want HDP version on ddnet keep HDP version and HDP name. If however players want Pablik 1 version then keep Pablik 1 version and Pablik 1 name. rly odd xD

AFAIK the only difference is the map name and the credits. Is the gameplay different as well?

ive seen a screenshot of Pablik 1 and it was diffrent

Skeith

I guess it just felt like you weren't being exactly fair with all of the information being presented (edited)

I feel like you're way too emotionally charged.

colors and credist inside the map

I'm very passionate about the game

dont know what else was changed because I havent seen the whole map (edited)

11:19

and that screenshot was posted on ddnet

The skip under the orange section isn't there on the pablik version

Right, the colors were different as well. But as for gameplay it seemed identical

It's not identical

11:21

It's missing hidden skips

11:21

11:22

Is that Pablik 1?

Yes

so Pablik 1 have elfutur in it and yet have diffrent credits on the start ?

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Correct, it's weird

Skeith

I don't think a single person recognizes that map as Pablik 1, it was one of the most played maps back in the day

this, ive also only known it as Obstaculos and i started in early 2012, never heard of Pablik. And its not the only map that was stolen by russian players. I have contact to Kon4at and could also ask him what he remembers

The guy also said they renamed the map, the credits at the start had the "HDP" clan tag, which is further proof the map was just outright stolen, in my opinion.

Skeith

I'd be very shocked if he said Pablik was the original

he said that he was shocked himself that the map seems to be stolen but he didnt invent further into the topic

murpi

Correct.

I form my opinion solely based of factual data we have right now, rather than rumors or opinions without sources

there wasnt factual data to rename it in the first place

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ahh those sneaky russians........ I still love them for making Lich King map ^^

ᶰ°Konͧsti

there wasnt factual data to rename it in the first place

Did you bother reading at all?

He believed hein's map list was 100% accurate I guess

11:28

which implies pablik was first

11:29

Should've maybe asked hein first tbf

It is accurate in the sense of last instances we know discovering those maps.

no it is not, it does not reflect date of discovering of map anyhow

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murpi

Did you bother reading at all?

of course i read everything topic related. But just some map versions in heinrich index isnt factual data to rename it. There wasnt a big discussion like it is here now to investigate the origin of the map. The heinrich index never got access to all maps and servers back in the time, even though its a really helpfull tool. What i want to point out is that there was way less arguments delivered to rename it in the first place then now claims that Obstaculos is the original map. So i dont really understand your hesitation to rename it back as what i see here looks like the russian players stole it and not the other way around. Which would fit other happenings of stolen maps by the same player group

murpi

Oh my mistake, I completely forgot to enable my entities

I must've hit my head and woke up in the wrong dimension. I'm pretty sure I even said I'm fine with renaming it back.

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11:36

Oh well

The colors are similar to my entities, so I had a brainfart.

11:37

It does seem to be 1:1

murpi

I must've hit my head and woke up in the wrong dimension. I'm pretty sure I even said I'm fine with renaming it back.

yeah i see that but your way of going seems to be that we have to provide more factual data even though it seems pretty clear for renaming it back than you needed for changing it in the beginning

11:39

which is pretty strange

You don't have to provide anything

11:39

I literally said everything I've sent in this channel is solely my opinion and not a decision

you were asking for factual data other than rumours or claims justatest

i heard if you play hdp obstaculos at 3 am the mapper will come to your house

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Yes, since people were tagging me to change my objective opinion about this entire ordeal.

just rename map, you can keep ur opinion tbh

Not once have I said I want to keep the map renamed.

what if voting for pablik 1 gave hdp obstaculos

Axaris

just rename map, you can keep ur opinion tbh

No reason to be rude now. thonk

sorry I am taking it too personal

(edited)

cyberFighter

i heard if you play hdp obstaculos at 3 am the mapper will come to your house

to haunt you or to thank you for playing his map ? =]

Skeith

It does seem to be 1:1

I don't even know which version of HDP_Obstaculos im supposed to download right now. There are so many different variants with that exact name. ^^

I would put there one that were last years on ddnet as it had improvement at end to avoid kill of teams

(to compare with Pablik 1)

Oh, was it changed to Pablik 1 entirely on ddnet?

No, just the name. I just wanted to see if there are actual gameplay differences between those two (official) maps

11:48

Cuz if there is actual gameplay differences, and it doesn't match the one on DDNet, then this discussion would be over already.

(edited)

I think there aren't any gameplay differences, I was mistaken when I said there was, I didn't have my entities on

11:49

But you could just compare the ddnet one to the pablik version?

11:49

The only thing that should've been changed is the ending

Skeith if you have the both versions that have diffrences (colors, credits, gameplay) then just send them both to murpi please

11:51

simple =]

I have a script for comparing the game layer of 2 maps if someone can send both versions

Murpi said he already checked, no differences

how it compares what are the results show show show how it works

11:57

tthat could be a very useful tool for mappers who work in groups =]

11:57

something like history of changes xD

it just makes an overlay for tiles which are added/removed/same in the other map

Ive asked Konatbl4 via email for further information. As he was hosting the servers and the Forum he will probably know it for sure.

11:58

He is always happy to hear something from the community ^^

Ravie show how it works and share it with others it would be a very useful tool

was played a lot back in time

I remember plenty of full 16 player servers even further back in time, good times

12:07

Now everyone's on multeasymap feelsbadman

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Crude explanation on how to compare two maps: Use twmap-tools provided by Patiga's twmap library to convert the two maps into mapdir format and then simply use any diff tool to compare both directories.

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Skeith

Now everyone's on multeasymap feelsbadman

20 years from now, DDNet 2: Renames Multimap to Multeasymap

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@Tsin trollsin

not sure what im looking at but I already like it =]

green tiles are new compared to old map, red are removed and yellow are changed

gorou best map

Ravie make that tool public =] I start to wonder why its not in ddnet already =/

I used to use it for seeing how gameplay changed on maps in testing

@Ravie does it use twmap

12:14

cool idea tho, map diff

perfect place for an awesome tool like this one

Tsin

Ravie make that tool public =] I start to wonder why its not in ddnet already =/

There technically is a diff tool included with ddnet, but that only works for minor map changes.

is there some place to read about it ? how it works how to check it how to use it or something ? =]

12:21

I start to wonder what others tools Rave you've got there hidden

Tsin

is there some place to read about it ? how it works how to check it how to use it or something ? =]

Check your ddnet directory (where the client resides), you'll find an executable file named "map_diff.exe". To use it, you can simply drag and drop two maps onto this executable, and it should work it's magic.

12:21

But again, it only works for minor map changes I think.

yeah it only killed my explorer.exe ^^

12:26

there was some console output and it closed and later my explorer.exe died XD

@ᶰ°Konͧsti im curious what client version ur using? i cant ping u on #off-topic lol

the difference is written to map_diff.txt I think

12:26

maybe check that?

Tsin

perfect place for an awesome tool like this one

hard to integrate tho, because the awesome library twmap by @Patiga is in rust, with python bindings tho, it would be easier to just make a external tool and load the map there

murpi

the difference is written to map_diff.txt I think

oh, does ravie tool use this?

Ryozuki

oh, does ravie tool use this?

I highly doubt that

also is it open source

ok so my explorer unfreezed and no map diff .txt so if it works then only on small ammount of changes

Ryozuki

@ᶰ°Konͧsti im curious what client version ur using? i cant ping u on #off-topic lol

why ask?

ᶰ°Konͧsti

why ask?

why not, i just want to know if u gave up

12:29

xd

xd long ago

tell tell

@Ravie do your magic and share your tool with us and tell us what other tools you have there xd

oh xD

Tsin

@Ravie do your magic and share your tool with us and tell us what other tools you have there xd

Why not just use twmap by Patiga?

i think tsin doesnt know how to code

12:30

its an interesting project to make tho

and I think that Ryozuki is just an attention seeker person =]

i guess u add 3 tile layers with the 3 colors green, red, yellow and do the diff git like, the question is whether the diff is just on game layer or other

Tsin

and I think that Ryozuki is just an attention seeker person =]

nah im just stating the truth, feel free to prove otherwise

why make something if someone already done it and it works exacly how others would imagine it to work ? (talking about Ravies tool)