DDraceNetwork - mapping

not really

Teero

not really

you could possibly say ddnet has their own farlands.. at a long distance Things kinda break

yea

08:30

I tested

I think Konsti is right on that one, we had problems with the servers once people went out of bounds

08:34

probably due to the insane speeds or something

How would a server crash because of that? Ig it would be undefined behaviour to exceed floating point limit but it shouldn't crash

08:39

And I have trouble believing they went that far

Accessing the 2d array of tiles outside of its bounds

Collision clamps them

Maybe not everywhere consistently

That's why tiles at the border repeat

I wonder how border kill tiles are made tho

08:42

with enough speed easily skippable but those are just different

Border aren't kill tiles

in disguise kekw

It's just a check if ure outside bounds

08:43

Then it kills you (edited)

maybe one day someone will find a way to skip them

Well you can always just remove them serverside

Teero

How would a server crash because of that? Ig it would be undefined behaviour to exceed floating point limit but it shouldn't crash

I think the server simply slowed down, maybe because of the collision checks

Steinchen

maybe one day someone will find a way to skip them

they're unskippable, they simply check whether you're out of bounds

heinrich5991

they're unskippable, they simply check whether you're out of bounds

does this mean that even if you ""skip"" them you will still be killed?

yes

neat

struct CSample
{
    short *m_pData;
    int m_NumFrames;
    int m_Rate;
    int m_Channels;
    int m_LoopStart;
    int m_LoopEnd;
    int m_PausedAt;
};

struct CChannel
{
    int m_Vol;
    int m_Pan;
};

struct CVoice
{
    CSample *m_pSample;
    CChannel *m_pChannel;
    int m_Age; // increases when reused
    int m_Tick;
    int m_Vol; // 0 - 255
    int m_Flags;
    int m_X, m_Y;
    float m_Falloff; // [0.0, 1.0]

    int m_Shape;
    union
    {
        ISound::CVoiceShapeCircle m_Circle;
        ISound::CVoiceShapeRectangle m_Rectangle;
    };
};

im kinda confused by the sound stuff. what does m_Shape do? is it only related to positional falloff or is it smth else? (edited)

09:36

what sound library does ddnet use?

09:36

and what is m_Pan? what does it do?

09:38

ah ok panning is for stereo

Teero

what sound library does ddnet use?

it uses SDL_audio for output, wavpack tiny decoder and opus for file formats

@Jupstar ✪ im using ur vscode workspace

ah ok good to know

@Jupstar ✪ doesnt seem to recognize those

09:43

but well its for windows cross stuff

bro, why u ping me in mapping, lmao

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ doesnt seem to recognize those

it's for debugging an wine app on linux which is nice if u don't want to start windows for debugging also as the comment says, u need the microsoft cpp extension for that

oh true

09:47

imagine reading

09:47

@Jupstar ✪ does it enable mysql and stuffs

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ does it enable mysql and stuffs

the workspace?

"cmakeSettings": { "DEV": "ON", "CMAKE_CXX_LINK_FLAGS_INIT": "-fuse-ld=mold" }

09:48

i see

yeah xd

-DVULKAN=ON \ -DMYSQL=ON \

09:48

i add this usually

u can also add them to your global cmake settings also VULKAN is on anyway xd

true

09:49

well im not gonna do mysql stuff

09:49

where should i add this

09:49

CXXFLAGS='-march=native -mtune=native'

let's switch to #developer xD

oh true

09:50

i confused the channel

09:50

lmao

09:50

brain off

ah wrong channel ofc xdd

heinrich5991

I think Konsti is right on that one, we had problems with the servers once people went out of bounds

i am actually. On noby fng (based on ddnet) there was some bug with purple team which caused you to be ingame and in spectator mode at the same time. Your tee became purple and was still in the map, people could hook him but the player himself was in free view and could shoot people by just watching at them anywhere in the map. People could only luckshoot your invisible point you were looking at atm. You couldnt die except pointing view into a killtile. But when someone kicked your purple tee off the map into the void you didnt die but after maybe 15 seconds the server crashed

oh purple tee

11:16

does somebody have a fish shilloute that i can use? xD

QuiX

does somebody have a fish shilloute that i can use? xD

A what?

A fish xD

Silhouette?

yeh a black fish

Ahhhhhh

I would like to strongly protest against renaming my most favorite map HDP_Obstaculos, this is unacceptable (edited)

20:29

@Steinchen you know ways around here, who is responsible for this horrible act

1

@murpi was it you?

maybe this map should be able to find by the name it has for almost 10 years on ddnet. Its a well known and from time to time pretty popular map. At least when you try /map HDP_Obsta... whatever it should lead to Pablik

it should be called HDP_Obstaculos and no pleblik or pablik or whatever it means, it was there before ddnet even existed

Axaris

@murpi was it you?

hi, yes as per suggestion by Coke

COKE!!!

HDP_Obstaculos earliest known release date is 17-Apr-2016 18:55 Pablik 1 earliest known release date date is 18-Sep-2011 20:23

21:02

Both maps are identical

i go investigate that

Please do. if you happen to discover the name of the original map creators, let us know. (edited)

What does "quads" and "tunes" do?

☮ KuronikeBlue ☮

What does "quads" and "tunes" do?

Quads are objects that you use in design, they don't do anything, tunes alter the games physics

PopCorn181

Quads are objects that you use in design, they don't do anything, tunes alter the games physics

Oh, thank you! I'm trying to make a complete map with all guns and physics with a use!

☮ KuronikeBlue ☮

Oh, thank you! I'm trying to make a complete map with all guns and physics with a use!

Np, good luck with ur map

:)

21:09

ill find someone to host it soon

21:09

cuz i cant host it

alright @murpi sry seems u right according to heinrich's archive...

☮ KuronikeBlue ☮

cuz i cant host it

https://trashmap.ddnet.org/

21:11

I've always used trashmap to test maps off of Lan, the servers are usually good

If i put a (CANT) HIT OTHERS and a HOOK OTHERS OFF in the same tile after, the HIT OTHERS wont work?

21:38

cuz its image disappears and the other tile image appears

murpi

Please do. if you happen to discover the name of the original map creators, let us know. (edited)

but even in the original pablik map from 2011 El Futuro is written in all the mapres

☮ KuronikeBlue ☮

If i put a (CANT) HIT OTHERS and a HOOK OTHERS OFF in the same tile after, the HIT OTHERS wont work?

u have to use front layer to put two game tiles on one place

murpi

Please do. if you happen to discover the name of the original map creators, let us know. (edited)

btw in this Pablik map that is on DDNet now theres an unused layer

21:53

(just like in the original from 2011 btw)

21:55

also the name is written in the map so El Futuro is most likely the original mapper

tried to look into website mentioned there but nothing relevant

https://web.archive.org/web/20111031084125/http://trutee.ru/

True Team

True Team - это русскоязычное сообщество, объединяющее в себе людей увлекающихся DDRace модом игры Teeworlds и занимающихся организацией турниров.

ive already done that too but the sub pages arent archived

Great, so no changes required then.

As i can see @sMo0g , FunCat, @PoKeMoN [TD]🌈 @Jamby @geroy231 were registered in that forum for example, maybe they can remember something about it

1

FunCat should be @xula

ah yeah

22:01

hes very inactive rn but usually comes back mapping 2 parts once in a year

how i make the player dont have any jumps in a tile? like even on the ground and i can restore it later in a tile

u need to add switch layer

22:08

delay 0 for zero jumps, aka delay number=number of jumps, then place the jump tile

22:10

this one

oh ty

what exactly does this do in switch layer? im so confused it feels like it has the same description even tho its not

Can you guys show me how i make a laser door with switch timer? There is a lot of doors but idk what i use I Want to make it just a door that you can only pass if the timer is still on.

Steinchen

what exactly does this do in switch layer? im so confused it feels like it has the same description even tho its not

By the description (THATS PROBABLY NOT TRUE!) it seems like it make a shot by a especific gun stop in it (like a wall but for the gun) (edited)

right switch will deactivate the door only when a tee is standong on it, left timer will deacticate it for 2 seconds. Use delay for the amount of seconds you want. Take care to use the same switch number for the doors and the buttons

ᶰ°Konͧsti

right switch will deactivate the door only when a tee is standong on it, left timer will deacticate it for 2 seconds. Use delay for the amount of seconds you want. Take care to use the same switch number for the doors and the buttons

ok ty

☮ KuronikeBlue ☮

By the description (THATS PROBABLY NOT TRUE!) it seems like it make a shot by a especific gun stop in it (like a wall but for the gun) (edited)

is this right Konsti?

Steinchen

what exactly does this do in switch layer? im so confused it feels like it has the same description even tho its not

as already mentioned it will make only specific weapons teleportable like with delay 3 it would only work with shotgun

Konsti, sorry to say this, but idk what to put in my map ._. so can you give me an idea?

what do u mean

i already make like a 3 minutes map

ᶰ°Konͧsti

what do u mean

idk what feature to put

22:21

like

22:21

fly

22:21

or something else

dont put too many features. If your out of ideas dont force yourself to continue, take a break and go forward another time, otherwise the parts could become boring fillers

22:22

flyparts are fillers for example. Some are ok but tons of them will bore the players

ᶰ°Konͧsti

flyparts are fillers for example. Some are ok but tons of them will bore the players

yeah i made a short one just to make players think like "oh, lets make fly!" and dont make it boring or too long

22:24

but, i really wanted a good map with good features, but im not a good dev like the others. I started mapping like 3 weeks

22:24

ill stop from now..

22:24

ty

☮ KuronikeBlue ☮

ill stop from now..

like, take a break, not stop mapping (edited)

make decent parts, dont overload them with tons of features just to have every tile used. There are really good maps that almostg only contain freeze, unfreeze, hook and unhook^^

Yes agree with konsti the best mapper

4

chillerdragon

Yes agree with konsti the best mapper

agree

theres is a tutorial of mapping on spanish?

23:32

no the welshi tutorial*