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DDraceNetwork
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Between 2023-09-03 00:00:00Z and 2023-09-04 00:00:00Z
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Pipou
Hi, is it possible to remove the changes brought to envelopes and quads (copy paste and points selection)? (edited)
Yes I was working on that. It will hopefully be part of the next update https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7102
Some refactorings are kept and rotation being bound to R is also not reverted. One other thing #6844 changed is that ctrl moves quadpoints instead of shift. This is not yet changed back. Checklis...
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Ravie
Envelope editor seems fine, it's nice to be able to stretch the timeline horizontally, but editing individual points is more annoying than it used to
Why is it worse for editing individual points?
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chillerdragon BOT 2023-09-03 07:15:35Z
Probably some call to sdl. I would search for sdl.*mouse also you can have a look at the toggle_console method it should have the code
Replying to @Dev7z which part of the code traps and hides the cursor?
07:17
Bro is making a hack client click hud
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 07:36:26Z
DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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ops wrong bing meant @Dev7z
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@Junior on and off in one key press is not possible. On and off in two key presses is possible if the bind rebinds it self.
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@Skin Database Crew Was #5988 already resolved (the default skin being bad)?
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The default skin shipped with client has been faulty for a long time now. The picture is not a great visualization, but the borders are slightly asymmetrical and there is a saturated fringe on the ...
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chillerdragon
Imagine ddnet was also closed src. Then there would be 20 different ddrace implementation. And far less mature Block servers.
DDNet is not that much affected by "too small player base" issue. Competition can be good for a mature project with reasonably enough players number. Imagine a game mod which requires 8 players for a properly balanced and full-featured round. Add a fact that sometimes the mod have 20 players but usually there are 4-6-8 players. And then add a competition server. Some players join it because it appeared first or e.g. because it has better ping, other players still play on the old server for the same reason. The player base is split => the dev is upset, the mod is dead.
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The current situation is unfair to good faith server owners whose servers don't have the checkmark, a more healthy way is to provide a way to apply to have the checkmark or be added to this new...
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Anime.pdf
I've been asked same thing in February, guess it's hard to find someone cool and free from work greenthing
they asked me too since i merged some mods already xd iirc i had no time either
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chillerdragon
Bro is making a hack client click hud
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What is this even for? So all servers have their own prefix in the name
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Matodor
What is this even for? So all servers have their own prefix in the name
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can't we simply make it so that there is a + - Sign and you can add custom tabs or predefined tabs and also remove them
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Robyt3
I still prefer GUI if I want to look at multiple commits. Let's you jump between files and commits much easier
tig is a nice command-line interface for this 🙂
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imo a "DDNet" tab should be the first tab, with only official ddnet.org servers. And then a "Trusted Servers" tab, with its own filters like kog, fng etc. and last "Internet" tab
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yes
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@Matodor can you explain why you gave that reaction?
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sadly nobody gives reason for this new change
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yeah idk, i must be missunderstanding something
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i guess it breaks equality for kog
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client shouldn't probably favor any mod
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which equality exactly?
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Iza
@Matodor can you explain why you gave that reaction?
it will kill the rest of the unpopular gamemodes
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we can add gores to ddnet, no problem
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the one that is currently on with kog and ddnet tabs
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that doesnt require kog to exist
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Iza
imo a "DDNet" tab should be the first tab, with only official ddnet.org servers. And then a "Trusted Servers" tab, with its own filters like kog, fng etc. and last "Internet" tab
I think ddnet doesn't have to have its own tab, it should compete on its merits
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being open by default at first start should be enough
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bad opinion
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ddnet is just ddrace
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it's fair to assume that non-ddrace gamemodes are dying because of the ddnet client, but have you asked each playerbase and network what modes they like the most?
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and just by having a ddnet tab, we're certainly not excluding other communites (edited)
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is that true tho? for some reason ppl still play on my fng server, even if it get's ddosed 24/7 and is only in internet tab xD
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ddnet also hosts other mods
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open source mods
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and that's something we should promote
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Jupstar ✪
ddnet also hosts other mods
yes, and from the activity of those servers, i can make out a vague picture that non-ddrace modes aren't as liked as ddrace
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yes that's true anyway
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if u have some friends in the community u might play other mods with these friends
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but i barely play other mods with randoms
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it'd be amazing if we could do some structural changes so that other mods can also get players
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but this seems orthogonal to the ddnet/kog/whatever tab business
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so why did zcatch die even tho it was in ddnet tab?
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maybe have a few tabs for some of the most popular modes?
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i simply think other mods are not interesting to play for longer times
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Jupstar ✪
i simply think other mods are not interesting to play for longer times
Correct, lack of content
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Jupstar ✪
i simply think other mods are not interesting to play for longer times
yeah the fun is definitely not as long lasting, as the fun in playing ddrace
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the wario ware mod is a good example.. it had huge player count for a few weeks
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then it was basically dead
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Avolicious
Correct, lack of content
could also be some sort of network effects
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heinrich5991
could also be some sort of network effects
What do you mean?
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say some people want to play a mod, they join a server
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but since they're at the bottom of the list, no one else will join
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so mods that require some more players to play, like warioware, cannot get past the playability threshold
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Ah, yeah
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unless they're super hyped for some reason
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Makes sense
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versus ddnet which can be enjoyed almost alone, sometimes needs 2 or 3
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I thought you talk about network effects like, there is no good server in their location so they wont even connect to the server
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ah no
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heinrich5991
so mods that require some more players to play, like warioware, cannot get past the playability threshold
but that's only your claim tbf
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what i can suggest is that you run some tests with the client, and pin "featured" modes/server to the top of the ddnet tab, (players are allowed to unpin). And then you watch if the servers get active, and if it dies after some time (edited)
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Jupstar ✪
but that's only your claim tbf
But its true in most cases 😄
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Avolicious
But its true in most cases 😄
have u ever joined a mod with few players?
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Jupstar ✪
have u ever joined a mod with few players?
Yes
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Jupstar ✪
but that's only your claim tbf
I'm not sure what to do with this sentence ^^ ofc it's my claim. what would you like to have instead?
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often some noobs play and it's boring
13:22
my experience
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heinrich5991
I'm not sure what to do with this sentence ^^ ofc it's my claim. what would you like to have instead?
because of that we should just put ALL servers into a internet tab?
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to me it's simply to extreme
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I offered to host some less known modes on the KoG network aswell
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Jupstar ✪
because of that we should just put ALL servers into a internet tab?
no, I'm not sure what to do with the sentence "that's your opinion" ^^
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ofc it's my opinion. what else do you want?
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is this supposed to be an argument? ^^
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apparently someone implements it, even tho there is a huge divergence, so yes
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i prefer you do arguments
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But you're right heinrich. After we launched the accounted servers and people started to play on our non-accounted ones our playercount raises
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because we have more people on one server & its more likely that other players join them aswell
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but KoGs player base didn't really increase lately did it?
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i see just as many ppl as always
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It did
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from which to which number daily users?
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1 sec
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i dislike talking about such closed source software
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and even if.. how does that make sense @Avolicious kog isnt even in ddnet tab 😄
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Jupstar ✪
and even if.. how does that make sense @Avolicious kog isnt even in ddnet tab 😄
Internet tab
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so why should we remove it, if apparently it's unrelated to that
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why should there be a ddnet tab?
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Our servers are now always in the top
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heinrich5991
why should there be a ddnet tab?
why should we be open source?
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because I like open source software
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i think there should be a "offical" tab
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and I would have never worked on DDNet if it hadn't been open sourcee
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heinrich5991
why should there be a ddnet tab?
To remove confusion and to make it easier for the majority of the teeworlds playerbase to navigate through the browser and play (edited)
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why are we supporting a closed source software?
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why shold there be an "offical" tab?
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can we already remove the special tab on a closed source software on our open source client?
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because the official tab makes sure the users play on open source servers
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controlled by ppl that like open source
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no scam
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Iza
To remove confusion and to make it easier for the majority of the teeworlds playerbase to navigate through the browser and play (edited)
ddnet*, "remove confusion" sounds like a weak argument to me
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no money
13:28
no donations for features
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because the official tab makes sure the users play on open source servers
(we host closed source mods btw)
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(which I don't like)
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yes
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(i was also against that )
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yes
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we often said move noby to community tab
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Jupstar ✪
no donations for features
that also applies for kog?
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yes, just to be clear
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kog > no teeworlds
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but ddnet > kog
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not to me
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heinrich5991
ddnet*, "remove confusion" sounds like a weak argument to me
Depends, how do you understand that argument? For me one of the main points when creating software for casual users, is to have the least amount of confusion in my ui as possible
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ddnet > tee worlds > any other open source mod > abandon tw > kog closed source
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Iza
Depends, how do you understand that argument? For me one of the main points when creating software for casual users, is to have the least amount of confusion in my ui as possible
but I don't see why it's "confusion" to join community servers
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Ryozuki
ddnet > tee worlds > any other open source mod > abandon tw > kog closed source
lol
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it's great we have a community that allows for and supports community servers
13:30
that's not "confusion"
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lol
BASEDHALT
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that's a great feature
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heinrich5991
it's great we have a community that allows for and supports community servers
its not great to support closed source software
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we don't have to do it like valve etc. to suppress community servers
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Ryozuki
its not great to support closed source software
but supporting everyone equally would be nice, no?
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heinrich5991
it's great we have a community that allows for and supports community servers
but when stating that argument, have you accounted for the fact that ddrace is the most played teeworlds gamemode?
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it would also be nice to mark mods on server browser
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as open source or closed source
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Ryozuki
its not great to support closed source software
Technically speaking, you could host gores servers with the latest ddnet source
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and ability to filter closed source mods
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out
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Ryozuki
and ability to filter closed source mods
How to verify if its closed source?
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simply provide a link to the source code
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I could simply fork ddnet & do an open project
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and host another version on the server
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heinrich5991
but supporting everyone equally would be nice, no?
but why should we support others i mean we already do support other servers.. with the internet tab
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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why should we actively promote closed source servers?
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we can investigate you and master ban you
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they dont support us
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Jupstar ✪
but why should we support others i mean we already do support other servers.. with the internet tab
because we're a community project. we don't have to protect our "profits" like valve etc.
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heinrich5991
because we're a community project. we don't have to protect our "profits" like valve etc.
ofc we do
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Ryozuki
we can investigate you and master ban you
That would lead to massive overhead
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without maintainers this project is dead
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heinrich5991
because we're a community project. we don't have to protect our "profits" like valve etc.
yes a community that thrives on free software and kind contributions from likeminded people, not from closed source software
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without open source maintainers*
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if all mods would be closed source it would split the community
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Jupstar ✪
without maintainers this project is dead
I don't think we get more maintainers by having an "official" tab
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it's that simple
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we alreay get them by having the most used client
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heinrich5991
I don't think we get more maintainers by having an "official" tab
but it makes staying open source more attractive
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i see alot of arguments that have different origins and intentions. Not sure how to come to a conclusion here (edited)
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Iza
i see alot of arguments that have different origins and intentions. Not sure how to come to a conclusion here (edited)
happens all the time
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Jupstar ✪
but it makes staying open source more attractive
not really. we don't host a lot of open-source mods. lots of open-source clients died and there aren't even mayn left
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"just make fng on top that'll solve all of the problems" -- definately not noby
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i wish ddnet took a strong stance against closed source mods
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its sad
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Ryozuki
i wish ddnet took a strong stance against closed source mods
AGPL would have solved this issue
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there arent many projects like this thriving in open source
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but to be serious I kinda agree that ddnet server should have it's own tab
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heinrich5991
not really. we don't host a lot of open-source mods. lots of open-source clients died and there aren't even mayn left
how about a test. 6 months with internet tab 6 months without any closed source servers lsited then we'll see if ddnet would die because of no equality
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Avolicious
AGPL would have solved this issue
indeed, too bad the original author didnt use it
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Ryozuki
indeed, too bad the original author didnt use it
the original author didn't want it
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Jupstar ✪
how about a test. 6 months with internet tab 6 months without any closed source servers lsited then we'll see if ddnet would die because of no equality
i was suggesting tests alot of times. I think we really should do that
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well its still my opinion
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too bad
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Mr.Gh0s7
but to be serious I kinda agree that ddnet server should have it's own tab
Most ppl find ddnet from steam and they watch the trailer they expect to find something familiar which would be either ddrace or kog (gores maps)
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Iza
i was suggesting tests alot of times. I think we really should do that
in the end: if there's no data on certain arguments, then why not just run a test. Instead of implementing something that we're not even sure if its gonna work out as intended (edited)
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Jupstar ✪
how about a test. 6 months with internet tab 6 months without any closed source servers lsited then we'll see if ddnet would die because of no equality
I find removing kog from the server list a complete non-option
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just dont make them special
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ok but when are we getting a new pve mod like hmh monster
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put em back only in internet tab
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dont promote closed source projects
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:37:03Z
hmh monster sooo good
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heinrich5991
I find removing kog from the server list a complete non-option
i bet they are faster open source than u could start your potato pc
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HMH was a nice dev too
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cyberFighter
ok but when are we getting a new pve mod like hmh monster
agreed, I do play hmh sometimes too
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:37:19Z
HMH the best
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i remember him around
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he also learnt RUST
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Jupstar ✪
i bet they are faster open source than u could start your potato pc
i hope u take that as joke
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its good but outdated imo
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Jupstar ✪
i bet they are faster open source than u could start your potato pc
I guess we would get faked by other servers and then player data would be at risk
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Use your tablet as graphic tablet/touch screen on your computer. - GitHub - H-M-H/Weylus: Use your tablet as graphic tablet/touch screen on your computer.
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@heinrich5991 ur not hmh right
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:37:56Z
tru cyber hmh moster is still 0.6
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very outdated indeed
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Avolicious
I guess we would get faked by other servers and then player data would be at risk
this can also happen with internet tab only
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when was hmh monster even made
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improved Monster mod, originally created by Neox (thank you Neox) - GitHub - H-M-H/Monster_HMH: improved Monster mod, originally created by Neox (thank you Neox)
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2014
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jesus
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and thanks to it being open source
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it can be updated
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maintained
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forked
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preserved
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inspected
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idk about updating
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probably just remake
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I find that the biggest issue for me would be not knowing which servers are "trusted" aka won't do malicious stuff with your ip
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i would suggest avoiding block servers the most
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they are always the script kiddies
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yeah I don't and haven't played block at all
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i always use a vpn when i join block servers other than fokkonauts
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troll
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block players are just something different
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nice pfp
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its the only "pvp" remaining
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and pvp means toxic brewery
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@heinrich5991 let's leave the tabs beside: What if ddnet would promote (in their ddnet tab) mods which are open source, and have few players... e.g. by moving them up in the list Wouldn't that be fair enough. It gives new mods a chance to create a player base.. if it's successful it can live on it's own.. like kog and block
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make a rotating featured mod
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:41:31Z
@Mr.Gh0s7 what malicious stuff are you scared of?
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and just a easy button to filter by that mod
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every week changes
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Mr.Gh0s7
I find that the biggest issue for me would be not knowing which servers are "trusted" aka won't do malicious stuff with your ip
Then you can select all communities except "None" to see all servers that are trusted enough by us
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:41:39Z
what malicious can one even do with your ip?
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spoofing attack
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ChillerDragon
what malicious can one even do with your ip?
more than you're comfortable with
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against servers
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with ur ip
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:42:10Z
thats not too bad
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ChillerDragon
@Mr.Gh0s7 what malicious stuff are you scared of?
ChillerDragon idk that's why I am scared of it like leaking my ip to others who can and will do those
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chiller can i have your ip
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:42:20Z
@Iza like?
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if u have a static ip it might be a bit bad
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ChillerDragon
@Iza like?
find out your general location and blackmail you
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:42:40Z
ok yes static agree
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Iza
find out your general location and blackmail you
thats a stretch
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:42:49Z
@Iza i live in munich center
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go block mail me
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Iza
find out your general location and blackmail you
location is not accurate at all lmao
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:42:57Z
good luck
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i live in barcelona
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come
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Ryozuki
thats a stretch
maybe for you
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The game is promoted as a cooperative racing game, and people installed it based on that premise. I strongly doubt that the server browser change will impact the lasting appeal of these game modes. Removing the DDNet tab is like shooting ourselfs in the foot imo. ^^
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my ip says my location is like 3km away from my actual location
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:43:22Z
city:"Frankfurt am Main",
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according to ipinfo im in farnkfurt
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hf gl blackmail me in frankfurt
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chiller i visited ur airport
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when i went to tokyo
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murpi
The game is promoted as a cooperative racing game, and people installed it based on that premise. I strongly doubt that the server browser change will impact the lasting appeal of these game modes. Removing the DDNet tab is like shooting ourselfs in the foot imo. ^^
murpi said it
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im a frankfurter
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:43:44Z
pog
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in a perfect world we would have another tournament
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fun times
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another ddos
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murpi
The game is promoted as a cooperative racing game, and people installed it based on that premise. I strongly doubt that the server browser change will impact the lasting appeal of these game modes. Removing the DDNet tab is like shooting ourselfs in the foot imo. ^^
HE HAS SPOKEN
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ChillerDragon
@Iza i live in munich center
after the ip discussion, i will go touch some grass now
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:45:17Z
static ip is annoying because once leaked it stays leaked. Spoofing my ip doesnt sound too bad. The blackmail makes no sense at all. Im not convinced that i need a vpn to join sus tw servers
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id leak my ip to any of you :3
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uwu
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do it then
13:45
here and now
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:46:05Z
ofc not in this chat that is sent to discord
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and microsoft
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but host a server ill join
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so you do have insecurities about a third-party having your ip?
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teesmash
13:46
is open source
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i know that hoster. See you soon.
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:46:41Z
@Iza i do have insecrutites about discord yes
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i use tor when clicking discord cdn links
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not sure what discord has done to u
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:47:19Z
they asked me for my number
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alot of services do
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:47:57Z
posting my ip in this channel allows everyone grepping the logs to fingerprint me based on my internet provider
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i would prefer to avoid this
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but do not mind revealing it to any tw server
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i don't think that discord is acting in such offensive ways to find out info about a singular person
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Ryozuki
is open source
Are you verifying the version that runs on the server?
monkaS 1
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:49:44Z
what version?
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avo did you reply?
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if the gameplay is the same it probably doesn't matter if closed source or open source
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:50:17Z
@Iza thats what discord is about isnt it?
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or are you saying its a regular for profit company making billions with discord nitro? :D
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ChillerDragon: It's about Ryo only wanting to join open source servers, how does he verify that the server is actually open source?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:50:57Z
rosbtni
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if the gameplay feels different and u cant find the source, then that's what makes it suck imo
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:51:01Z
i love u robi
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ChillerDragon
or are you saying its a regular for profit company making billions with discord nitro? :D
im secretly getting free nitro for playing discords advocate
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can i have some too
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:52:05Z
@Jupstar ✪ trol so kog and onbgy fng in da open source list because there is ddnet and openfng on github xd
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no
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let's say DDPER adds awesome rainbow skins that everyone ever wanted and ddnet dies bcs of this and now teeworlds is controlled by DDPER would u say this is community friendly game?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:54:47Z
omg not the persians!
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xd
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that's what fair competition would look like
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:55:09Z
teeworlds has to stay controlled by the germans
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everything else is community unfriendly
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it will simply destroy contributions of ppl here
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:55:39Z
ok sori for troling jopsti
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i admire your effort to embrace open source
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suprising for a windows user
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well i just want to make clear, that ddnet either has own interests or it could simply go yolo.
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i could also quit my job and make the best closed source game with lots of features and maybe ppl would adapt
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but the idea behind ddnet is then dead
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:57:22Z
thast why you dont push to ddnet2 so often?
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xDDDDDDDDDD
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:57:30Z
ddnet2 on steam when you quit your job?
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yes
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:57:57Z
sadge
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but i name it teeworlds2
13:58
bcs cooler name
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:58:21Z
teeworlds > ddnet but ddnet2 > teeworlds2
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2 doesnt fit on teeworlds
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i bet kog for example even depends on us.. simply bcs ddnet offers the client with updates etc. doing that is also quite a bit of work
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i dunno how many devs kog has
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:59:14Z
they have 30 man dev team from fiver
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@ChillerDragon then convice oy to give me the name
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:59:48Z
where do you need it?
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it's so sad that the name is now bound to a dead project xd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 13:59:52Z
the domain?
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he should transfer the rights
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 14:00:05Z
dw ill poke oy until he wakes
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epic
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Jupstar ✪
i dunno how many devs kog has
KoG Inc. should add ads and microtransactions to hire devs
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 14:01:54Z
xd
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so jopsti can quit his job and work for kog
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ok les go
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 14:03:48Z
thats how fast dis guy sells his soul
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closed src kog by jopsti
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kog2
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xd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 14:04:08Z
xd
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Ew, working for closed source project with accounts and ads
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qog queen of gores
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 14:04:23Z
pog
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pawn of gores
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soon we have chess of gores
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cok
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we getting closer
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kok: king of kog
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kok: king of kok
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recursion
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 14:13:34Z
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cock
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Avolicious
Are you verifying the version that runs on the server?
not rn but we should
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but i can google teesmash and find the source
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made by yours truly
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Learath2
Ew, working for closed source project with accounts and ads
eww indeed
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talking about close source, motivates to do it better and work on open source for better future thanks everyone
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Jupstar ✪
i could also quit my job and make the best closed source game with lots of features and maybe ppl would adapt
would it support modding
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would it support modding
ofc
14:28
ddnet2 already allows to completely rewrite the physics with automatic client side preidiction
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that's very important to me, bcs i hate that freeze in fng sucks, and hammer prediction etc.
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and i want it bloat free
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so no if(is_fng()) do extra edge case
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that's why it's all in WASM modules
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@Learath2 @Jupstar ✪ @heinrich5991 remember the iceberg sql meme i posted?
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they made a full explanation
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Have you seen this legendary SQL iceberg meme? Let's talk about it while wearing our PostgreSQL hat!
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if sql wouldn't be so boring i'd continue with account stuff xDDD
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after adding the new columns complete downer
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ChillerDragon: real?!?!?
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chillerdragon is actually canadian. big leak
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ata türk
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xd
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@Jupstar ✪ Should we just add an assert in graphics and always use 4 since we only use RGBA internally? size_t CCommandProcessorFragment_GLBase::TexFormatToImageColorChannelCount(int TexFormat) { if(TexFormat == CCommandBuffer::TEXFORMAT_RGBA) return 4; return 4; }
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@Jupstar ✪ Should we just add an assert in graphics and always use 4 since we only use RGBA internally? size_t CCommandProcessorFragment_GLBase::TexFormatToImageColorChannelCount(int TexFormat) { if(TexFormat == CCommandBuffer::TEXFORMAT_RGBA) return 4; return 4; }
i guess for now it's ok.. i don't plan to change that any time soon
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The function is only used once in vulkan backend anyway
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Jupstar ✪
ddnet2 already allows to completely rewrite the physics with automatic client side preidiction
how would that work?
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Mr.Gh0s7
how would that work?
what exactly? the overwriting, or the prediction or what?
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yes rewritting physics and the client automatic prediction
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bruh zogtib said "type: yes" so instead of the I typed yes
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the current model, subject to change, works like this: all game physics is cleanly seperated into a lib shared by client and server (generally), all files are mods (rust modules). So what you do if u want to mod a file is, have a shadow lib, that implements all files again, but instead of having to copy paste everything, u have a rust macro that loads the "real" source code. additionally that macro allows your to overwrite any variable, function or struct definition of the real source. You compile this new lib into WASM. If you don't modify anything u basically simply have the game as WASM module instead of native. The game state has a interface the server & client use to get all info they need, or start new ticks etc. And the WASM manager basically implements this interface but calls these function inside the WASM module
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ddnet2 is full rust?
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it's not even called ddnet2 XD that's just some naming i didnt give it
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i call it ddnet playground. bcs i test out stuff that 100% is not compatible to what we have now
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and yes, pure rust
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but WASM allows ANY language
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so ddnet2 is compiled to wasm? im confused? ddnet is now some kinda browser game?
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no
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the base game will be 100% rust, compiled to native binary
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but since the physics are cleanly seperated with an interface => physics don't know ANYTHING about the rest of the game
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and this advantage makes it easy to have an extra layer: WASM modules
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so u have two choices
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load a WASM module, or run the native one
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the native is ofc hardcoded, cannot be changed the WASM one supports hot reloading.. so u can change it while playing
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(just need to reset the game state)
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yea i see everyone needs to change the physics while playing xdd
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troll feature
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it's awesome
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it's much easier to do some prototyping
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if u dont need to restart the whole game
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& server
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@Jupstar ✪ and you already did all of that or is it just theory?
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the thing above already exists
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but the "native" physics currently are really limited
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u can basically move around, shoot projectiles
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so i am still far away
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send github
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i don't have an up to date version online rn
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give me 5 minutes
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then i send
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Teero
send github
https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test3 note, rn i don't want any bug reports, suggestions or anything else
don't use or read this code. Contribute to Jupeyy/dd-pg development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Jupstar ✪
https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test3 note, rn i don't want any bug reports, suggestions or anything else
500 issues incoming
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Jupstar ✪
here little sneak peak
btw here u can see, i modified the "mod"-lib.. this is no tune change (edited)
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but actual source code change
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it automatically compiles the wasm module over cargo-watch
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Teero
so ddnet2 is compiled to wasm? im confused? ddnet is now some kinda browser game?
dont confuse this, wasm isnt a browser only thing
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wasm is a target compilation, its like compiling to the java vm bytecode
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there are non browser wasm "vms"
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yea and wasm use usually executed by a browser right?
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but not limited to
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i say this cuz it looked like u added some bad connotations to that xd
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yea so everything that can execute wasm can execute wasm
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Jupstar ✪
better video, without so much magnetation of tees
@Teero this is funniest project i did yet xd
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Jupstar ✪
@Teero this is funniest project i did yet xd
do you know the tee cloud?
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Teero
do you know the tee cloud?
no, you?
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i mean it literally
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wait ill upload
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Use enum EImageFormat type for image format literals and variables. Add PixelSize function to get the number of bytes/color channels per pixel for a specified image format. Remove unused store format argument of texture loading functions. All textures are automatically being stored as RGBA, so the argument was unused. Also remove the therefore unused FORMAT_AUTO. Rename variables consistently to PixelSize and use size_t, instead of mixing different names like BPP and `Col...
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takes a bit
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@Jupstar ✪ i present to you the tee cloud (edited)
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its kinda small but its cool
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i made a serverside gui where you can drag and drop tees and stuff
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thats cool xd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 15:53:51Z
@Teero the realest
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A flying cloud that can only be ridden by those with a pure heart. Goku received the cloud from Master Roshi for rescuing Turtle. The original was destroyed by one of Demon King Piccolo's...
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i wonder if you can do this to actual people
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yes i can
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xd
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i wanna be dragged around
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LOL
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sadly i just did this locally and i would need to port this to the web and make it somehow interact with the server
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idk how
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just streaming the application over ssh is very slow
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so i could push you around but it would be very laggy
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my middle name is lag
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-09-03 18:41:18Z
@Teero web? as in website? streaming ssh? what you talkin about
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x11 forwarding over ssh
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damn murpi you're a real one u rly just saved me $70-80 bucks
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Ryozuki
@heinrich5991 ur not hmh right
no
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Mr.Gh0s7
I find that the biggest issue for me would be not knowing which servers are "trusted" aka won't do malicious stuff with your ip
note that every website you connect to gets your IP address
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Jupstar ✪
@heinrich5991 let's leave the tabs beside: What if ddnet would promote (in their ddnet tab) mods which are open source, and have few players... e.g. by moving them up in the list Wouldn't that be fair enough. It gives new mods a chance to create a player base.. if it's successful it can live on it's own.. like kog and block
that sounds like a nice idea 🙂
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note that every website you connect to gets your IP address
I mostly connect to "trusted" websites and open links that are suspicious in torbrowser only
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trusted aka search engine results with "normal" prompt (edited)
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Jupstar ✪
@heinrich5991 let's leave the tabs beside: What if ddnet would promote (in their ddnet tab) mods which are open source, and have few players... e.g. by moving them up in the list Wouldn't that be fair enough. It gives new mods a chance to create a player base.. if it's successful it can live on it's own.. like kog and block
awesome idea
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Mr.Gh0s7
I mostly connect to "trusted" websites and open links that are suspicious in torbrowser only
you seriously use tor
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are the feds after your location or are you just sorrily misinformed
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I don't have a vpn so tor ^^
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Ewan
are the feds after your location or are you just sorrily misinformed
btw can you explain further what you mean by that?
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Jupstar ✪
@heinrich5991 let's leave the tabs beside: What if ddnet would promote (in their ddnet tab) mods which are open source, and have few players... e.g. by moving them up in the list Wouldn't that be fair enough. It gives new mods a chance to create a player base.. if it's successful it can live on it's own.. like kog and block
I still like the gmod solution, it just auto generates a game mode list from the gamemode reported by servers. No manual selection required
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yea but open source >>
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Also all players get directed through the gamemode selector before picking a server
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Ewan
yea but open source >>
feels like an intentional discrimination against kog
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I don't think players care
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ddnet should change license if we want to prevent closed source projects
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i don't think anyone wants to prevent their existence, just encourage them to be open source
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Tater
feels like an intentional discrimination against kog
kog should go open source then
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also it still has its own tab...
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open source is inconvenient if you are using any kind of anti cheat, ddnet wastes a lot of dev effort maintaining a side loading antibot module
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Tater
ddnet should change license if we want to prevent closed source projects
my point is not about disallowing closed source in any kind i literally don't care i just don't understand why we should actively promoting closed source (edited)
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is not*
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there could atleast be documentation for using the antibot system
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in my personal opinion it's naive to think ddnet has no interest in trying to make most mods open source if possible. This keeps mods alive, even if the original creators loose interest
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Jupstar ✪
my point is not about disallowing closed source in any kind i literally don't care i just don't understand why we should actively promoting closed source (edited)
yeah that's fair, thats why I like letting servers create their own "tabs" in a gamemode like permissionlessly
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like all garrys mod players go through this list
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mhh, but tbh that looks really overwhelming
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i would so much rather search for server name as a player
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gmod just has too many
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true
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when f client oss fokkonaut?
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that came unexpected xD
lol 1
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and f ddrace
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Ewan
when f client oss fokkonaut?
??
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is it really more overwhelming than this?
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how?? xd
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you're just wrong
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Tater
is it really more overwhelming than this?
selectedServer--;
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i don't wanna have to pick category of game to then find a server
20:20
i go where the hearts are
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categorizing them past this is an extra click for no reason
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Tater
is it really more overwhelming than this?
so i didnt play garry's mod since 10 years. I see the DarkRP has most players. click on it what happens now.. did i download the server list?
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or if you mean tabs then fine i'm ok with that
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so i didnt play garry's mod since 10 years. I see the DarkRP has most players. click on it what happens now.. did i download the server list?
20:20
basically the same
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as ddnet
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and next time you start the client?
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fokkonaut
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when will you open source f client and f ddrace. it will have to happen eventually
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or they will die along with your interest
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ddnet is already tied for clicks because you need to press "play" on the main menu
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u can skip it
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Ewan
when will you open source f client and f ddrace. it will have to happen eventually
F-Client is open source
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o i didnt know
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and i really wish we would have merged the "skip main menu button"
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Jupstar ✪
u can skip it
how?
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Would this be ok for you @def- ? The setting in general isn't very intuitive to find, as you saw in discord, many already complained
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sadly it was closed, because deen disliked it
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Tater
how?
it's a config
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F-DDrace was open source until people used it other than I expected/wanted it => Closed source again
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in settings->general
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i guess this is a little bit abrasive to read if you don't have any context. we were talking about how all these block mods are wasting man hours developing towards the same goal
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ok well 0.1% of players use that anyway xd
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Tater
ok well 0.1% of players use that anyway xd
i know, i also think this sucks
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extra clicks are always annoying
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default settings will always be king
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no one changes anything
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overused gif
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wow the same cat
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in 2 gifs
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who''s deleting
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LMAO
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moderator gets angry
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no gifs please
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blame fokko
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no gifs please. they make my dopamine receptors fluctuate outside my desired range.
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that escalated quickly
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no gifs, chillerdragon can't read them on IRC 😂
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this is topical
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can't delete
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my relevant gif was deleted
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this is an enforced no fun zone
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why are gifs even disallowed, since when does this rule exist
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he just doesn't like seeing things that aren't text
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they overwhelm him
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i mean they defs useless
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activates the fight or flight reaction
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but: this channel always talks about useless stuff 😂
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i bet he has embeds off
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To break the ice: "Me think of a way to do smt in code. Also me thinks of a better way. Deletes everything about way 1. Stares at the code for a bit. Realizes way 2 isn't easy (idk how to do it)."
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i've got an awesome icebreaker
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but it's in gif form
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fokkonaut
ups
troll
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Mr.Gh0s7
To break the ice: "Me think of a way to do smt in code. Also me thinks of a better way. Deletes everything about way 1. Stares at the code for a bit. Realizes way 2 isn't easy (idk how to do it)."
tbh always when u did something that u think is really cool. 1 day later u have a better idea and have to think if u want to waste your next day for rewrite xD
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not so much that. It's I lack the knowledge to do it the elegant/"correct" way. (edited)
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@cyberFighter ^ u
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this is the most topic related image
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Jupstar ✪
Click to see original message
except theres no heart
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xDD
20:33
black heart
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lol
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hi murpi
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@fokkonaut r u deleting?
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i have the feeling u banned soon xD
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fear of ban
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if u drunk, go sleep 😂
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fokko bout to join chiller really soon
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Jupstar ✪
if u drunk, go sleep 😂
if i was drunk i'd definitely not hang in a discord server
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@Ryozuki u should take an example of this
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did chiller get banned
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can u ban chiller?
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he used tater client and got banned for botting
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his mistake
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what did i miss?
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@fokkonaut as if u aren't drunk xD
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u missed heinrich power trip
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Jupstar ✪
@fokkonaut as if u aren't drunk xD
i have to disappoint you
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ah the usual
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Ryozuki
ah the usual
😬
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xD
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IS IT EVEN FATHERS DAY?
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is it fathers day
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xDDDDDDDD
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xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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is this an inside joke
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kinda but no
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thoughts on this gif
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i really dislike it
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Ryozuki
is this an inside joke
it got one just today
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Ewan
i really dislike it
why
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i don't like the sped up video
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what's his name again
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I like my setup and I think that's all that matters
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CR/LF
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Jupstar ✪
why are gifs even disallowed, since when does this rule exist
The channel is named developer, not fun, so fun is off-topic, duh
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Learath2
The channel is named developer, not fun, so fun is off-topic, duh
always when you come here, my heart warms up with joy. what a fun ride
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it's developer, not developing, so i think it can cover any conversation developers want
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This vulnerability allows a physically-present attacker to control the full disk encryption unlock process and gain complete access to decrypted content in some cases where a TPM, dracut and Clevis are used.
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@fokkonaut I saw you having fun there, don't do it
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"Having fun"?, d'oh (edited)
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i blame this on using systemd
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waht u use
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sysvinit
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Ryozuki
i blame this on using systemd
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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but this is a physical access vuln
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openrc Celebrate
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U MEANT, U BLAME THEM FOR NOT USING RUST
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what imposter are you @Ryozuki
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Jupstar ✪
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Why does this happen?
>
dracut relies on systemd to unlock LUKS-encrypted disks in the early boot environment. An “agent” plugin architecture is used by systemd for disk encryption where a request for a system-wide password can be answered by a pool of different responders, including a script automatically supplying a password and the usual method of just “asking the user”. Clevis implements a systemd password agent for unlocking, but the user may also enter a password using the normal interactive agent. Both of these agents are responding to the same request issued by systemd.
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s6-rc 🎉
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I'll allow it
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Jupstar ✪
what imposter are you @Ryozuki
i just read the article super fast
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oh you know s6?
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Ryozuki
i just read the article super fast
sometimes i think u are AI anyway
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Ryozuki
but this is a physical access vuln
it's very important the FBI does not access my 4k tee skins
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bcs u post the right article after 1 second
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im watching a movie about a mathematician
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"the man who knew infinity"
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silly title
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sometimes i wish there existed movies where they went deep into the real content
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but they always focus on human things
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anyway
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Mr.Gh0s7
oh you know s6?
I've read about all possible alternatives to systemd that are feasible
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Ewan
silly title
well its relevant
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its about Ramanujan
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, he made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems then considered unsolvable.
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Learath2
I've read about all possible alternatives to systemd that are feasible
nice why did you choose openrc over s6-rc?
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OpenRC is the default on gentoo and was easier to set up
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s6, that sounds like taters github account
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yeah when I read Tater's github acount I think of it too xD
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xDD
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Learath2
OpenRC is the default on gentoo and was easier to set up
makes sense ;)
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Ramanujan initially developed his own mathematical research in isolation.
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awesome
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@Tater u use windows right
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isolated research is awesome
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like uhh
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allan holdsworth
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on my main desktop yes
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wrote down phonebooks worth of scales
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just from what he analyzed on the fretboard
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legend
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if I need to use linux I just remote into my laptop xd
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Ewan
isolated research is awesome
isolated research without formal studies
20:48
real genius
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hard hat area ⚠
20:54
considering purchasing
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are pcie gen 5 drives good yet
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or should i wait some months
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u should check if it has a cache
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I would be astonished if it doesn’t
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That’s only a concern for low end drives isn’t it
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i dunno, i often see m2's advertising their awesome speed
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and then they can hold it for like 1 second
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then they rip xd
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#[allow(clippy::cast_precision_loss)] fn color_code_base(col: u32, alpha: bool) -> HSLAColor { let a = if alpha { ((col >> 24) & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32 } else { 1.0f32 }; let x = ((col >> 16) & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32; let y = ((col >> 8) & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32; let z = (col & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32; HSLAColor { x, y, z, a } }
lua?
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can u stop
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not seeing anything about a cache on the site
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Ewan
not seeing anything about a cache on the site
quick search showed german news sites that say it has two
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SLC and dram
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but there is a 2TB version
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so not sure xd
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anyway. Out of interest. is your Mobo pcie5 ready already?
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is that already so standard?
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i kinda wonder why there were like 10 years on pcie 3. and then almost skipped pcie4 in like 2 years now xD
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more bandwidth needed for ai which is profitable?
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anyway. Out of interest. is your Mobo pcie5 ready already?
Yeah
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i mean i am the person to contact when it comes to more perf xdd
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i have 1 5.0 slot
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Ewan
i have 1 5.0 slot
and ur m2 slot is also pcie5?
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i hope for you that it's a dedicated slot
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that’s what i mean yeah
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sometimes motherboard manufacturers are really doing weird things normal users don't understand
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which u then have to read in their manuals
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4 16x ports but if you plug a card in any one of them the rest become 8x 😄
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Or my m.2 port disabling 2 sata ports
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i heard about that
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tela's does that too
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I also saw one motherboard that has an x8 sized port but only half of the pins are connected so it's actually x4 😄
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i could buy the drive or i could buy the shoes i've been wanting to buy
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hmmmmm
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i already have a drive but it's a wd black sn770
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not great but not bad
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i will save my dollar
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Ewan
i could buy the drive or i could buy the shoes i've been wanting to buy
Bro what a question
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Buy the drive
f3 1
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cool
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