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DDraceNetwork

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Is there any public script I can use for BrIndicateFinished?

How can I convert this :

07:02

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07:03

into this :

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/README.md

ddnet/README.md at master · ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

Jupstar ✪

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/README.md

I have already built it, but I don't know how I can make it small and without many files like the normal form

Junior

I have already built it, but I don't know how I can make it small and without many files like the normal form

well i dunno how you built it but ninja package_zip would create a zip

07:18

our MSVC CI does: cmake --build . --config Release --target package_default

aright

HamidReza

Is there any public script I can use for BrIndicateFinished?

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HamidReza

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bro 1. stop pushing your questions all the time 2. in europe most ppl still sleep or do breakfast 3. your question is really bad. Try to make it more clear 4. BrIndicateFinished is controlled by ddnet-info, so you'd have to replace that

Mad jopsti

08:04

BTW jopsti I got 1 second game freezes every idk hour or something like that. Maybe it’s also just half a second. But it’s enough to kill me in block/ddrace/gores. I wonder how to debug that since it’s becoming annoying. It might be my hax client but I did not really add new features in years. Or it might be my pc I can’t really tell.

mhh, i guess a good start is monitoring all sensors / usages

If I want to add a feature should I make a feature request somewhere before implementing it?

issue section is a good place

CPU usage, network, hard drive etc

Those are sensors?

no

08:05

usages

What are sensors

well temperature etc

Ah

watch -n 0.1 sensors

Idk how to measure those so precise

Mystery?

If I want to add a feature should I make a feature request somewhere before implementing it?

depends, if you want to use that feature anyway (e.g. custom client) go ahead if you defs want it inside ddnet: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues

Issues · ddnet/ddnet

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Because the freeze is like so short I can not react and check anything

then do watch -n 0.01 sensors (edited)

I would have to let some graph with 0.1 second interval run at all times on my 2nd screen

08:07

Is it that fast?

well log it into a file or smth

For 1 hour?

0.01 is "every 0.01 seconds"

Until it happens xd

yes why not

Yea but does that work?

08:08

Idk

08:08

Dunno if I even have a sensors command that works

watch wont let you go faster than 0.1s :(

Replying to @Jupstar ✪ then do […]

That’s what I thought

08:08

I mean I can do it my self

08:08

With while in bash

08:08

But still

i dunno if some kernel addons can detect lags xd probably depends of if it's hardware or software bug

Maybe I should try vanilla ddnet client

08:09

But it’s unplayable for a long time

08:09

I need my hax

you could check dmesg, maybe there is actually something logged because of the lag or maybe even that caused the lag.

08:10

dont think this is the problem though

You think?

08:10

I mean it’s worth a shot

chiller

08:10

you could try to have 2 clients open

08:10

and see if it happens on both

It feels more like the client spends time in a long iteration

08:10

And then?

08:10

How would I see that?

i dunno, how do you see it now

08:11

record it

The time it takes me to look from one client to the other

08:11

I see it now because I play active on that client

so ok let's do it differently then. Lets do the science way

Ok xd

08:12

I thought about a client edit

Let's assume it's a hardware fail, e.g. overheating. What are ways to monitor it?

There is the dbg graph

08:12

Maybe give it more history

Either the kernel knows about it and logs "yo bro, got hot here"

So I can open those and check for a spike

Or watch temperatures

08:12

or check if ALL software was hit by that

I wonder if there is a smooth tool that can do the watching for me

08:13

And alert on temperature spike

Let's assume it's a software bug: There must either be some insane usage (e.g. inside ddnet) Or outside of ddnet The only way i could think of is taking an extrem amount of snapshots of current CPU cycle usage and hope the bug happens before your disk fills xdd

Xd

but what also works is following: Did it ever happen before?

Yes a few times on this pc

08:15

But I barley play

I mean like. did it not happen 2 weeks ago

08:15

when u still had Linux 1.0 and mesa 2.0 and DDNet 9

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u know

Ah it’s since a while i think

08:15

No

08:15

It only started happening on my new pc

08:16

Which was like idk.

08:16

Linux 6

08:16

Ddnet 35

08:16

:D

Jupstar ✪

bro 1. stop pushing your questions all the time 2. in europe most ppl still sleep or do breakfast 3. your question is really bad. Try to make it more clear 4. BrIndicateFinished is controlled by ddnet-info, so you'd have to replace that

1. People dont usually scroll up and my question remains unanswered cuz no one sees it. 2. My question is quite obvious :/ There is a script that merges your info to ddnet-info and I asked about that script. 3. I have an idea about how it works, but I asked to check if there is such a thing open source. And btw stop talking like its your personal discord. I asked a question, if u can't/don't want to answer it, just leave it be.

Yeah sure, you totally didn't intent to make it annoying by doing ? all the time If nobody answers your question it might simply suck and the problem is you.. Also you pushed it after like 1h early in the morning. Now back to your question. Most stuff ddnet does is here: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts

GitHub - ddnet/ddnet-scripts: The magic scripts that make DDNet run

The magic scripts that make DDNet run. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet-scripts development by creating an account on GitHub.

I think reading backlog is a thing in this channel

if nothing is there, i guess you could directly tag deen and ask him

fluid simulation

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HamidReza

1. People dont usually scroll up and my question remains unanswered cuz no one sees it. 2. My question is quite obvious :/ There is a script that merges your info to ddnet-info and I asked about that script. 3. I have an idea about how it works, but I asked to check if there is such a thing open source. And btw stop talking like its your personal discord. I asked a question, if u can't/don't want to answer it, just leave it be.

1. People often read the backlog of this channel. 2. The question "Is there any public script I can use for BrIndicateFinished?" is definitely not obvious to me. Try to describe the outcome you are looking for instead of the steps you are trying to take to achieve that outcome (https://xyproblem.info/). 3. It's not your personal Q&A discord either. Don't expect answers to your questions, especially not within a short period of time or if they are not understood by anyone (http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html)

Jupstar ✪

fluid simulation

why do they look so crisp (the assets)?

Mr.Gh0s7

why do they look so crisp (the assets)?

i dunno, they are normal ddnet assets

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08:56

it's not even full resolution

08:56

i currently try out split screen rendering a bit xd

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Jupstar ✪

i dunno, they are normal ddnet assets

just me then ^^

jopsti

08:58

wat are those epic screenshoits?

08:58

ddnet2 infinite slot support?

yes

omagawd

08:58

so good

08:58

when deprecate ddnet

xDD

is it blazingly fast physics?

sadly realistically i am like 30% done with the new ddnet

08:59

no

._.

it's not faster than normal ddnet

idk if normal ddnet can handle soo many tees colliding

well the server runs on desktop pc

gaming

it's not on VPS

potato

09:00

looks playable to me

09:00

when first release?

Jupstar ✪

i currently try out split screen rendering a bit xd

in this screenshot u even see the FPS 59

09:00

i dunno how many entities these are, but probably smth around 200

09:01

56* xd

cool stuff

anyway, keep in mind in real world, what is huge CPU killer is network

09:01

so quite possible it would run as bad as normal ddnet

thats why you need the blazingly lightweight gaming protocol that goes by the name 0.7

my network is threaded at least

pog

so it could make it a bit better

09:02

it unpacks the msgs before sending it to the logic

thats nice

09:02

wdym by unpack?

there is nothing like pUnpacker->GetFloat()

09:03

u get the package as normal struct object

you get like a fully parsed struct?

09:03

a

yes

cool

09:03

only 1 network thread?

09:03

or can that scale?

well it can scale a bit maybe

09:04

the network stuff itself is async multithreaded

09:04

but as soon as the package is parsed it will go into a critical section

09:04

the server itself is single threaded

yea i see

so what i can do is: make sure a connection doesn't use x KB/s before the packet is pushed to the queue

to avoid dos or what?

well realistically it wont help

09:05

but maybe it can make peaks less impactful

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only time will tell

sounds cool

09:06

just ship it with built in reverse proxy support

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so the network thread can run on another vps

i thought about it

09:07

but anyway, rn my TODO is not network

09:07

i already wasted too much time for it xD

xd

09:07

net worth king

i mean i worked on it like 5 months already and still so fucking far away from usable :c

09:07

i really underestimated how much work it is

sadge

09:08

i copy paste 0.7 code to ddnet since 11 month lol

xd

ok enough procrastination

what i like tho is, how instant everything is

09:10

that's how it should have been since ever

09:10

i click a button top left in case u didnt see

ye saw it very blazing

Jupstar ✪

what i like tho is, how instant everything is

is that multiple views in the same client? no globals? amazing

heinrich5991

is that multiple views in the same client? no globals? amazing

yes and yes xd

no globals?

09:20

whats that supposed to mean?

09:20

no global variables for multi view?

the fact that he can simply open more views

09:21

sounds like his classes are less global than teeworlds's

ah i see

09:21

or its accessing the same globals?

yes it generally has a relatively clear hirachy a child component never calls parent functions.. if it wants to modify parent stuff it has to take it by mut ref (edited)

sounds cool. I always struggle to find such a clear design

well tbf. this design isnt clear everywhere

find in existing software or come up with it your self?

and since i also have wasm support i tend to have an insane amount of libs xD

09:23

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bloat

well some stuff is 100% poorely designed

ARBEITSFLÄCHE

some stuff is bit tricky with WASM e.g. base-fs is needed to split filesystem away from base

09:24

bcs that shouldn't exists in WASM.. at least not without some wrapper

09:24

yeah, KDE

09:24

i always install debian in german

09:24

so i get german names for these xD

cring

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7121 Country flags MW and MQ have an unsupported image format

2023-09-02 11:43:30 I game/png: image had unsupported image format. filename='countryflags/MW.png'
2023-09-02 11:43:30 I game/png: image had unsupported image format. filename='countryflags/MQ.png'

Those flags were last changed by #7114.

Jupstar ✪

what i like tho is, how instant everything is

this is literally chillerdragon in blmapchill

cyberFighter

this is literally chillerdragon in blmapchill

yeah, chiller is a beater

metamuffin: who are you btw xdd or do you want to stay hidden

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7122 Move editor automap .rules files to separate subfolder

For better organization of the data/editor folder. Note that this also converts the Windows line endings in some files to Unix line endings. Add the GET parameter w=1 to the URL to see the diff without considering whitespace changes.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration...

10:17

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7123 Minor refactoring of the image loader

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

Hi, is it possible to remove the changes brought to envelopes and quads (copy paste and points selection)? (edited)

10:21

I hate to have to use an outdated client

just a random ddnet player. just recently joined this room.

Replying to Jupstar ✪ metamuffin: who are you btw xdd […]

10:22

i am not developing on ddnet really; once did a bad pr but thats about it.

Even if envelopes look nicer, they are not practical, it was much better as it was

10:23

I already shared my opinion about quads a week ago or so

ah ok, but it looks like you have experience with development :D

Replying to metamuffin i am not developing on ddnet really; once did a bad pr but thats about i…

Pipou

I already shared my opinion about quads a week ago or so

It's noob friendly but the action in itself is something advanced a beginner won't use. It's only nerfing anyone trying to make an advanced design

Pipou

Hi, is it possible to remove the changes brought to envelopes and quads (copy paste and points selection)? (edited)

I'd highly suggest to discuss this with mamare

10:26

either tag him or discuss it on github

I think I already did here with him

10:26

@marmare_314

10:27

We should revert everything but the resizable envelope menu which is great

Thoughts? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3024

make the kill tile auto-rescue you if practice is on instead of kil...

make the kill tile auto-rescue you if practice is on instead of killing as suggested by Дядя Женя on Discord

Also, if we are to add good changes to the editor, I'd ask to have a list of all the commands for the "Server settings" tab

10:28

Like a drop down list

10:29

With clickable variables, or tooltips..

Pipou

Hi, is it possible to remove the changes brought to envelopes and quads (copy paste and points selection)? (edited)

I used the editor recently for the first time since the update and I found the new quads unusable, I struggled to do basic things like multi selection and copy pasting.

10:47

Envelope editor seems fine, it's nice to be able to stretch the timeline horizontally, but editing individual points is more annoying than it used to

omg fuck this is ima rage quit marking bs

10:56

this is what the vanilla client sends

10:56

Embedded image

10:56

"cammo1" and it renders just fine

10:56

this is what ddnet 7 client sends

10:56

Embedded image

Thank you @Ravie

"cammo1" and a bunch of corrupted memory

I knew you'd struggle as well

but it doesnt render the shit

10:57

oiuahwdh9ahwi0d

ur corrupted chiller

Pipou

Also, if we are to add good changes to the editor, I'd ask to have a list of all the commands for the "Server settings" tab

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:c

10:58

how can a vanilla client not render a marking

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after receiving this network msg

10:58

rigged

10:59

@Pipou you can try proposing that here https://github.com/k2d222/twwe/issues

Issues · k2d222/twwe

Teeworlds collaborative map editor online. Contribute to k2d222/twwe development by creating an account on GitHub.

Pipou

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I don't know if that's possible but you could make it automatic by using https://ddnet.org/settingscommands/

ChillerDragon

@Pipou you can try proposing that here https://github.com/k2d222/twwe/issues

I really don't understand how github works, what's twwe ?

its a web editor

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building uis in web is easier than in tw code at least thats how i feel

11:01

your design looks cool

11:01

maybe k2 likes it and builds it into his web editor

Ok ^^

just click on new issue

11:02

and upload your image

https://github.com/k2d222/twwe/issues/77 (edited)

cool

but yea in the ddnet client it would also be cool ofc

How do I find DDNet's one for the editor?

sure I can do that, great idea

woah k2 woke

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues

Issues · ddnet/ddnet

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got github pinged that woke me up

justatest

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if you want to propose it for ddnet put it here

11:07

k2 epic that you are still active

11:07

codemirror lang support

11:07

and new epic ui

11:07

love the progress

ChillerDragon

k2 epic that you are still active

yea I have some time to spend atm

@Pipou yea i can highly recommend opening issues with feature requests if you spend time making such cool draft images. if you post em on discord they likley get lost

11:08

the issue on gh will be looked at eventually

Pipou

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Seems like a good idea, like #1406 but better, feel free to open an issue or add it to the existing one

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/1406

Add checks for server settings in editor · Issue #1406 · ddnet/ddnet

Should check if a command can be used as a map setting and whether it's spelled correctly. Could also check whether tune_zone/switch_open commands are used. Wrongly used commands could be highl...

ChillerDragon

@Pipou yea i can highly recommend opening issues with feature requests if you spend time making such cool draft images. if you post em on discord they likley get lost

Alright thanks! I'm just not familiar with github but I'll think about it now

Robyt3

Seems like a good idea, like #1406 but better, feel free to open an issue or add it to the existing one

github issues is not harder than reddit :D

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #7124 Server setting improvement

This is something I suggested on DDNet's discord. !image I also shared the idea to k2d222 here: https://github.com/k2d222/twwe/issues/77

look at pipou githubbing like a pro

careful once you start theres no going back

cult

says the guru himself

monkaStop

yo @Pipou there is also the pullrequest tab there you can see proposed code changes of other developers https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pulls

Pull requests · ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

11:16

most of it is technical

11:17

but thats a good place to complain about editor features or give feedback before they get added to the client

Ok, I'll try to keep up with the threads, it will have a be a new daily habit

11:20

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7102 Ok I see he's planning on doing it, great

revert change to quad selection (resolves #7025) by Marmare314 · Pu...

Some refactorings are kept and rotation being bound to R is also not reverted. One other thing #6844 changed is that ctrl moves quadpoints instead of shift. This is not yet changed back. Checklis...

chillerdragon:

jospit

i added a dummy counter now, wanted to see how many entities until i reach 50 FPS

11:21

50FPS = 50 ticks u know

@Pipou if you like the revert you can react with a +1 :D

1

11:22

Embedded image

11:23

jopsti is that client bottle neck?

11:24

i can render a big ass cow farm in java bloat minecraft on my laptop smoothly

man this is so much fun NGL

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yes looks fun

mhh quite possible a client limit

11:26

it also always has to render everything 4 times xD

11:26

bcs splitscreen

bloatscreen

ChillerDragon

@Pipou if you like the revert you can react with a +1 :D

I don't find where to upvote D:

you did

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didnt u

ok i add dummies until my PC dies

11:27

for you

Embedded image

Ok I wasn't sure

thats as upvote as it gets

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you are now ready to do all the githubbing my padawan

something like 800 is rip xD

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average t0 size

doesn't seem like a lot

well it has to do the world physics

go with one screen

or is it just a tee

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btw what is this project

ddnet2

11:30

written in rust

as it should be

https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg

GitHub - Jupeyy/dd-pg: don't use or read this code

don't use or read this code. Contribute to Jupeyy/dd-pg development by creating an account on GitHub.

11:31

jopsti you dont push your commits quite often do u?

yes i dont want to push them

11:31

yet

i get shit scared of a drive fault if i dont push to gh every 5min

11:31

woah Pipou__

11:31

elo

i have backups on my VPS

Hi :D

pipou went full on developer mode

What's IRC for?

gaming

11:32

its a chat ... duh

11:33

to chat bruv

Why would we chat here?

where else would you chat

Let me think

irc is the best

discord is for the weak

sadly cant put weeb pfp on irc tho

uwu

Become a irc dev, become leader, add weeb pfp

pfp is bloat

11:35

if you want bloat use matrix

11:36

this is a chat not fakin pinterest

11:37

git add -p is top50 most underrated git commands

11:37

robi u use it?

11:37

ur pro commit splitter

Until you can't add individual lines of the same hunk, then you need a Git GUI anyway

chillerdragon: 765 is the max, more = FPS go down, so simulation cant keep up

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I use Git for Windows

11:37

To stage changes

11:37

And to look at the history

whats git for windows

11:37

isnt that just git

For everything else I use the command line

11:38

It includes a GUI

make it faster jopsti

11:38

ew gui

lazygit is great

wdym invididual lines?

11:38

lazygit bloat

11:38

never peeked myy interest

11:39

you can split hunks

If you changed two lines right next to each other you cannot stage only one when you use patch mode (git add -p)

wot you cant split it?

11:39

idk for me it always worked just fine

You can't split hunks if there is no unchanged line between

i see

At least the last time I tried, maybe they made it smarter somehow

AI powered

AI def bloat

xd

Well, I have two shell scripts for Git usage that are mostly written by ChatGPT

haha

ChillerDragon: how should i make it faster lmao

idk

11:41

what makes it slow

even with some quadtree structure this would be a worst case tbh

cant you have millions of particles in modern gaming?

bcs all tees are touching each other

11:41

then these particles dont hit each other

11:41

at the same time

hmm

or they accept inaccuracies

11:42

e.g. use the latest known position of the other particle

11:42

but do it multi threaded

11:42

but that's not possible with tw physics

gpu computed physics is a thing

yes

11:42

but these physics are often unreliable

11:42

in a sense of tick based games

how so? ticks are great for parallelism on the contrary no?

well how do you want to paralise smth that happens after each other

11:44

tee1's position influcenes tee765's position

Robyt3

Until you can't add individual lines of the same hunk, then you need a Git GUI anyway

never used git gui in my life

that's how tw physics work

didnt miss aynthing ryo

11:44

its super confusing

git log shows history

11:45

u can format it nicely

args for git log are same complexity than args for ffmpeg xd

i have a alias

Can you view git log and the diff at the same time?

11:46

Feels more convenient to have a GUI for this

Jupstar ✪

tee1's position influcenes tee765's position

ok tbh I haven't looked at tw physics but do you mean there's an order in tees update? does that mean that physics depend on login order like weak or smth?

git log --full-diff

k2d222

ok tbh I haven't looked at tw physics but do you mean there's an order in tees update? does that mean that physics depend on login order like weak or smth?

yes

11:47

that's indeed the case

11:47

u can see it with weak fly

@Robyt3 yea thats where ui helps no g needed lazygit can do it too. But i do not mind coping the commit hash from the log command and then run a show command

Jupstar ✪

u can see it with weak fly

weak down fly to be precise

ah

11:47

its git log -p

ah tru

11:47

thats also an option

11:47

i do not use it

[alias]
lg1 = log --graph --abbrev-commit --decorate --format=format:'%C(bold blue)%h%C(reset) - %C(bold green)(%ar)%C(reset) %C(white)%s%C(reset) %C(dim white)- %an%C(reset)%C(auto)%d%C(reset)' --all
lg2 = log --graph --abbrev-commit --decorate --format=format:'%C(bold blue)%h%C(reset) - %C(bold cyan)%aD%C(reset) %C(bold green)(%ar)%C(reset)%C(auto)%d%C(reset)%n''          %C(white)%s%C(reset) %C(dim white)- %an%C(reset)'
lg = lg1

11:48

.gitconfig file

dood xd

git lg

told u

chillerdragon: sell me your CPU

ffmpeg level

i want to try 1000 tees xd

how much?

6 fufzig

scam

1 german coin

good old germany coin

how was the currency called

11:49

in germany

11:50

here it was "pesetas"

deutsches gold

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_peseta

The peseta (, Spanish: [peˈseta]) was the currency of Spain between 1868 and 2002. Along with the French franc, it was also a de facto currency used in Andorra (which had no national currency with legal tender).

we use euro lol

i mean before euro

11:50

omg

11:50

u sometimes lower ur iq xd

a

11:50

xd

11:50

mark

I still prefer GUI if I want to look at multiple commits. Let's you jump between files and commits much easier

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i too young

same

11:51

robyt u cant convince us of gui

11:51

https://jonas.github.io/tig/

Introduction · Tig - Text-mode interface for Git

Ryozuki

i mean before euro

Deutsche Mark

use tig

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Mark

Die Deutsche Mark (abgekürzt DM und im internationalen Bankenverkehr DEM, umgangssprachlich auch D-Mark oder kurz Mark, im englischsprachigen Raum meist Deutschmark) war von 1948 bis 1998 als Buchgeld, bis 2001 nur noch als Bargeld die offizielle Währung in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland und vor deren Gründung in den drei westlichen Besatzungszo...

xd

and before

11:51

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsmark

Die Reichsmark (Abkürzung RM, Währungszeichen: ℛℳ) war von 1924 bis 1948 das gesetzliche Zahlungsmittel im Deutschen Reich. Dieser Zeitraum umfasst einen Teil der Weimarer Republik und die Zeit des Nationalsozialismus. Nach dem Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs 1945 war die Reichsmark in den Besatzungszonen noch bis zur Einführung neuer Währungen im J...

11:51

xD

does it have nazi connotations

i dont think so

brand safe moni

Well, Git for Windows also has its own console

Image attachment

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papiermark

Papiermark ist eine inoffizielle Bezeichnung für die auf Mark lautenden Banknoten bzw. die Währung der Inflationsjahre von 1919 bis 1923 in der Weimarer Republik. Sie wurde am 15. November 1923 durch die Rentenmark und 1924 zusätzlich durch die Reichsmark ersetzt. Formal handelt es sich bei der Papiermark um die gleiche Währung wie die 1871 im Z...

try tig

man today i learn a lot

xd

time to switch to windows

Name: GitLens — Git supercharged Id: eamodio.gitlens Description: Supercharge Git within VS Code — Visualize code authorship at a glance via Git blame annotations and CodeLens, seamlessly navigate and explore Git repositories, gain valuable insights via rich visualizations and powerful comparison commands, and so much more Version: 14.0.1 Publisher: eamodio VS Marketplace Link: https://open-vsx.org/vscode/item?itemName=eamodio.gitlens

ChillerDragon

time to switch to windows

To use a Git Bash that's running in MinGW

oh ye fakin vs git integration

11:54

i see so many ppl irl using it

11:54

gives me the chills

I just use Sublime Text

imagine using electron to switch a branch

11:55

did you pay for sublime?

i just want to code

11:55

so i do as few git as possible xd

i just want to git

11:55

so i code as few as possible xd

https://wavacity.com/

Wavacity | Online Audio Editor Based on Audacity

Wavacity is a port of the Audacity audio editor to the web browser. Free and open-source. No install required.

woah

Does paying for Sublime get you benefits except getting rid of the popup?

browser audacity

11:56

no

11:56

just popup gone

wasmified?

11:56

crazy

but if you didnt pay the popup is annoying af

Well, I just press right arrow and enter to close it

why would you popup ur self if there is free non popup editors

Robyt3

I just use Sublime Text

just use vscode

Not sure if that's on purpose, but if you leave the popup open in the background it breaks text selection in Sublime

xd

use vscodium

11:57

no ms trash

libre

and in 2 years use lapce

true

when it's finally not finished

2 or maybe 5

11:57

xd

Robyt3

I just use Sublime Text

is there any reason u use it. like any feature Or just bcs u can

11:59

not like i didnt used notepad++ for fng2

11:59

xDD

Notepad++ got too old for me, I like the multi-selection from Sublime Text a lot

11:59

And Visual Studio GUI is too confusing for me, I don't want to relearn it right now

12:00

I also prefer building over the command line instead of in Visual Studio

what vscode?

12:00

and*

12:00

what is better about sublime xd

12:01

is it fast & furious

I meant normal Visual Studio. I'll try vscode at some point

yeah i mean like how the fuck didnt u even found out about sublime at all xD

12:02

i heard it the first time today

12:02

and not even open source xd

Weird, I thought it was really common after Notepad++ slowly faded out

but notepad++ is open source

12:03

so i doubt they recommended it xD

I'm on Windows anyway, I'm used to closed-source

I need Microsoft Word etc. for work, the open-source stuff just doesn't compare in terms of features TBH (edited)

change your workplace xddddd

The most important feature being: being perfectly compatible with word format xD

well idc, do what u want

12:06

i just never heard of it, and was confused

12:07

since vscode is microsoft shit, i'd have thought it's normal to use under windows, if visual studio itself is no option

I'll try vscode and see if it's a bit smarter than Sublime Text, cause that's my main issue with Sublime right now

12:08

But I don't want a confusing interface and bloat like Visual Studio either

Robyt3

Notepad++ got too old for me, I like the multi-selection from Sublime Text a lot

vscode has some good multi-select too https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/codebasics#_multiple-selections-multicursor

UnlucksMcGee

vscode has some good multi-select too https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/codebasics#_multiple-selections-multicursor

Nice, that's the most important feature that Notepad++ was missing for me

it's always interesting to see what other ppl like

12:09

always when i accedentially trigger it, i hate it xD

12:10

so much slower than pressing CTRL + SHIFT + F and just put your replace text

I also need to use Eclipse for Java development pepeW

pepeW

i used eclipse for c++ a while

12:10

damn, the dark ages

12:10

vscode wasnt a thing then xd

12:12

what i always liked about VS is peaking definition code

12:12

in eclipse it always sucked to having to open the file

Robyt3

I also need to use Eclipse for Java development pepeW

pepeW

use IDEA

fokkonaut

use IDEA

It doesn't scale very well when you have hundreds of projects open at once

eclipse does?

Yes, no issues

I see

12:28

but its so chunky

That's true, I also prefer the IDEA GUI

Robyt3

It doesn't scale very well when you have hundreds of projects open at once

lol robyte secret pro dev

12:29

hundreds of projects

12:29

you work for google or what

NSA

Nah, but the Eclipse plugin architecture just makes it happen automatically when you have a bunch of different modules/projects for things

12:30

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_inversion_principle

Dependency inversion principle

In object-oriented design, the dependency inversion principle is a specific methodology for loosely coupled software modules. When following this principle, the conventional dependency relationships established from high-level, policy-setting modules to low-level, dependency modules are reversed, thus rendering high-level modules independent of ...

12:31

It's also all OSGi/Eclipse plugins so it would be a pain to get it to work in IDEA

12:33

They are not all open right now, but this is with all projects in the workspace selected monkaS

monkaS

Image attachment

Jupstar ✪

lol robyte secret pro dev

he may be pro but he uses windows (edited)

12:41

so im saddened

what format does ddnet use in colors?

12:43

for example 1064493, 16731468

12:43

whats this

kaan

what format does ddnet use in colors?

AHSL in decimal

Ryozuki

#[allow(clippy::cast_precision_loss)]
fn color_code_base(col: u32, alpha: bool) -> HSLAColor {
    let a = if alpha {
        ((col >> 24) & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32
    } else {
        1.0f32
    };
    let x = ((col >> 16) & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32;
    let y = ((col >> 8) & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32;
    let z = (col & 0xFF) as f32 / 255.0f32;

    HSLAColor { x, y, z, a }
}

smt like this?

Ryozuki

he may be pro but he uses windows (edited)

he's young, give him time xddd

12:50

Image attachment

Jupstar ✪

he's young, give him time xddd

i think he is older htan me tho

@Robyt3 leak

@Robyt3 leak

wot leak

age

12:55

chiller i think ur 26

did you just assume my age

yep

12:56

will u call the age police

nah no way

thats agism

chiller is 26

12:56

25

12:56

*

jupstar u were 25 right

12:56

im 23

12:56

yes im totally 25

justatest

12:56

27

12:56

binary search

;~;

26

72

xd

12:57

i already feel my 30 are close

12:57

and when im 30 i wont feel young

what should i say

Ryozuki

im 23

10yo when i started teeworlds xd

i was 14

12:57

or 13

u was 10

12:57

when i started

ah

12:58

i was 13-4 when i started

12:58

i got my dota 2 beta

12:58

in 2012

12:58

time flies

12:58

now im a rust dev

12:58

fighting a crusade

12:58

joking

i just have one suggestion to everyone here from germany if u under 25 and get kindergeld (money for children) use that instead of work xddd work on something own in that time

12:59

you'll never get a chance after that anymore

jopsti xd

xd

ima run this shit on my 2nd screen now

12:59

https://tube.zillyhuhn.com/videos/users/chiller/sensors.mp4

Jupstar ✪

@Robyt3 leak

@Robyt3 leak, now my brain is in "insanely cursious"-mode

28

4090?

13:03

god

NO WAY XD

Robyt3

28

u srsly older than me?

13:03

wouldn't have thought tbh

kaan

4090?

chiller is rich af

13:04

he sold ddnet merch

omagawd jopsti this bs sensor spam make my fans go brrr

13:04

i cant

well maybe it fills the console too much

i can sop print and only log

write a script that automatically parses min max values

13:05

for all stuff

13:05

BASH PRO

thought about it

13:05

but its gonna use even more cpu

Use ChatGPT: lazy bash pro

im faster w out chat gpt

13:05

i know all bash

ye, you are pro

How can i check if a player is online? Is there some api?

it's faster for me though

the delay chatgpt has is because it has to ask me

pilonpl

How can i check if a player is online? Is there some api?

server list

the only use i would give to chatgpt is to write me a commit message when im lazy

pilonpl

How can i check if a player is online? Is there some api?

https://master1.ddnet.org/ddnet/15/servers.json

https://ddstats.org/players

View DDNet / Teeworlds Statistics.

pilonpl

How can i check if a player is online? Is there some api?

https://ddstats.org/players

View DDNet / Teeworlds Statistics.

13:06

nice chiller

Thx

ok ima print if its 70C or higher

13:10

using blazingly fast bash that does it in a non sleeping loop at 1% cpu usage

13:11

this is so gonna not work

13:11

ima complain to gnome pro support!

ah yeah

13:12

did u try with openbox

13:12

xd

xd

13:12

im so gonna not game seriously tryharding for 1h+ on openbox

what other than a browser, ddnet and maybe vscode do you have open

13:13

if nothing, u can also use openbox xd

vlc with asmr

discord

13:13

i have gnome terminal and github.com in firefox open at all times

13:14

thats it

so learath 13 how old r u chiller?

maybe 4 clients sometimes

25?

13:14

u cant be 26 right

confidental

that would be strange

why wouldnt 25 be strange?

bcs that fits

ok sherlock

ez as that

13:16

i know everything about u anyway, so that was unfair from the start

13:18

it's also obvious that it's heinrich's birthday in 3 days

13:18

else he wouldn't have named himself 5991 5.9.91

Jupstar ✪

i just have one suggestion to everyone here from germany if u under 25 and get kindergeld (money for children) use that instead of work xddd work on something own in that time

>.<

ӎěłŏƞ

>.<

how old r u

21

13:19

but no kindergeld for me

u can also study with 26

13:20

start university

13:20

then u get kindergeld

i think i am good with my job right now tho

13:20

also kindergeld is pretty low afaik

it's enough to survive

as long as you dont live alone, i can see that

imagine how cool ddnet 3 by melon would be

what happened to ddnet 2

that's finished in 20 years

13:22

but u have more time, so ddnet 3 is finished in 4 years

i will open a gofundme

windows directly jumped to win95, because that was their best version now it's win11 and sucks hard

agreed

hello

Yo, did your build work?

heartw

1

yee thx

13:30

What file is this in?

Image attachment

menu_controls maybe? just search for any text in the screenshot

13:31

Localize("Movement") for example

no results

13:34

i wanna just know how to create hotkey xD

Image attachment

13:35

menus_settings.cpp

13:35

use global search ^^

Thanks

13:38

do you have any idea how to create a hotkey input?

bind s "say hello"

13:40

in F1

13:40

or menu hotkey?

no menu hotkey

Input()->KeyIsPressed(KEY_S)

13:41

if(Input()->KeyIsPressed(KEY_ESCAPE)) { UI()->DisableMouseLock(); UI()->SetActiveItem(nullptr); s_TextMode = false; }

13:42

UI code is immediate, that means you don't create a hotkey u just check if the keys are pressed right now

ik but i wanna something like that

Image attachment

13:43

I want to put it on a page

just copy paste the code u see

bro making a client

bluekitty

1

alarm

3

xd

lmao, tournament multiview is saved (edited)

14:22

next teeworlds lan party with only one monitor

14:23

Image attachment

14:24

the tee's always stack up like magnets xD chillerdragon: i remember u even did a video about that once

14:24

teeworlds secrets xDDD

14:26

121 tee's perspectives at once

Image attachment

14:26

10 fps xddd

Jupstar ✪

lmao, tournament multiview is saved (edited)

better video, without so much magnetation of tees

Jupstar ✪

121 tee's perspectives at once

lmao

14:45

now try to finish a hard ddnet map

why 131 though should be in a power of some number since it's in a grid?

with all tees in the same team

Mr.Gh0s7

why 131 though should be in a power of some number since it's in a grid?

it's 131 dummies + the real player

14:46

so 132

Mr.Gh0s7

why 131 though should be in a power of some number since it's in a grid?

just so you understand why that makes sense: (12×12)−12 = 132 so top row would be dark and "wasted"

1

14:49

so this is indeed no bug

jopsti tru chiler fan

14:56

yes i did a video about the magnet

14:56

its basic physics

14:56

enough mass causes gravity

14:56

tw engine one of the realest

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #7125 Remove setting default zoom after leaving multiview, fixes #7113

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[x] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[x] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[x] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

Jupstar ✪

better video, without so much magnetation of tees

lol wtf

15:29

how do i get that

louis

how do i get that

wait 20 years until the client is stable xd

4 times more than the original release :O

Jupstar ✪

better video, without so much magnetation of tees

ahah soon well get ddnet for xbox XDD

16:44

splitscreen is the best screen

rust question! async traits possible only with async-trait crate? :D

and nightly

17:08

feature

wot is auto/ folder int he editor?

17:29

time to gitignore that i guess

It's for autosaves of maps

Seems to be on by default then

18:07

My new cpu or new ddnet is blazingly fast. It did like 4 saves of the map. Which I did not notice. Saving that map used to freeze my client for 2 seconds

i think i know what map you are talking about

who wanna play ddrace

troll

chillerdrabores gonna fire again

that's how you look if you angry, but also sad

Image attachment

sad tee

Jupstar ✪

that's how you look if you angry, but also sad

whats this :0

19:31

new client?

Voxel

new client?

that's me accidentially swapping left and right eye scale xd (edited)

19:32

it's angry eyes

i like it

better than the useless + eyes

they no useless

19:38

i'll use them xd

19:38

they are called "dead" eyes btw

X_X

19:40

+_+

19:41

i cant wait until split assets are ready so i can make my super graphics loaded client

19:41

i have so many useless ideas

u can also do that without zip trash xdd

wdym trash

19:45

zip feature might be the best idea

19:45

eaay way to package and exchange texture packs

distribution is the only pro i can think of

19:46

rest is pure contra

19:47

zips itself are bad and not the correct format (so need an extra tool) loading everything at once is probably not the best anti virus creation of the assets by the creators will be harder zips are annoying to handle for the user

19:48

@Voxel how do you usually test assets?

19:48

are you not worried that u have 20 inkscape instances and have to zip everything every time?

19:48

or do you want to have another method of loading additionally?

isnt minecraft the same exact way

19:50

minus the zipping

and how often have u created minecraft assets?

this feels like chess

19:51

@Jupstar ✪ tbh i just want to not rely on texture atlases

19:52

especially if we're adding in more things

yes i can understand it

19:52

i generally dislike them too

19:52

but i have no solution for asset creation that doesnt suck

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7122 Move editor automap .rules files to separate subfolder

20:25

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 8 new commits

16bc489 Move editor automap .rules files to separate subfolder - Robyt3 ead33ba Add debug messages for all error cases in LoadPNG - Robyt3 872d6c9 Move variable declarations closer to usage/definition - Robyt3 ab6262d Use nullptr instead of NULL - Robyt3 533d401 Remove setting default zoom after leaving multiview - Vy0x2 3ef4bf8 Merge pull request #7122 from Robyt3/Editor-Automap-Files-Subfolder - def- a17798a Merge pull request #7123 from Robyt3/ImageLoader-Refactoring - def- 3ff7997 Merge pull request #7125 from Vy0x2/pr-fix-mv-default-zoom - def-

20:25

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7125 Remove setting default zoom after leaving multiview, fixes #7113

20:25

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7123 Minor refactoring of the image loader

just combing through #developer or what justatest

justatest

Image attachment

Damn, they are still merging it

i guess they need help

21:41

i wonder if it would be worth starting from scratch

21:42

how big is the mod

I've been asked same thing in February, guess it's hard to find someone cool and free from work greenthing

greenthing

Ewan

how big is the mod

Quite big, just join server in ddnet

doesn't show up in my browser

21:42

im usa

Weird, its in ddnet ans kog tabs simultaneously

Image attachment

Whitelist: https://wl.reitw.fr/ IP's: blmapV3ROYAL(FRA) - 149.202.19.227:8404 blmapPEPE(FRA) - 149.202.19.227:8505 Main Store(FRA) - 149.202.19.227:8304

149.202.19.227:8404 is not a DDNet or KoG server.

Found this

hmm

Gotta do git conflict driven development

Replying to @Ewan image.png

22:01

Reduce git conflict surface and merge often. Pr as much as possible upstream.

Make new organisation for every commit possible

yea

22:03

they should just start over

Bombay is still closed src is it?

Yep

22:03

I think there was a leak few times, so you can actually get old sources

Imo the don’t talk about bots rule should be replaced by don’t talk about closed src projects

Don't talk about closed src bots (edited)

Ewan

they should just start over

Thats why they are looking for someone to help them i guess

So much developer time gets wasted on developing 8 block mods in parallel.

Dafuq

22:05

I can recall ddpp and f-ddrace

BW

22:06

And Nudels new mod

22:06

And the Russians

22:06

Two Russians

okSanya

Faulty and s-ddrace

What are other two

22:07

Actually 3 russians then

22:07

Kio, faulty and altameda (edited)

Altameda idk never heard of it but yea I don’t know all

yea

Imagine them all working together on a open fork of ddnet that gets maintained and is free to use by all

chillerdragon

And Nudels new mod

honestly id call it bootleg blockworlds troll

troll

Its not rly populated but it had tournament few month ago and even own twitch streamer kekw

the name is uh

22:08

like something stupid

22:08

ddfightnetwork or something

lmfao

chillerdragon

Imagine them all working together on a open fork of ddnet that gets maintained and is free to use by all

then wed just run out of ideas after some time xd

chillerdragon

Imagine them all working together on a open fork of ddnet that gets maintained and is free to use by all

Sounds awful troll

troll

Oh no

22:09

So horrible all ideas being implemented

chillerdragon

Imagine them all working together on a open fork of ddnet that gets maintained and is free to use by all

fokkonaut is already bloated enough

I think idea of dropping 07 and vanilla support is good, lets start with it

cyberFighter

ddfightnetwork or something

ddnet underground fight club :o

Yea it probably won’t work due to different ideas

22:10

But people could still fork a base block mod

also some of them are closed source cause like um so others dont have servers and steal it = less players, also a lot of the servers happen to have donor which means less money

22:10

im pretty sure

22:10

troll

The issue is more that people are super protective and do not want to share any code that could be used by others

22:11

Yea cyber

22:11

I mean sure competition can be cool and so on.

as long it doesnt hurt other people like bots or smth and doesnt have anything ground breaking like sentient tw ai then ig it should be opensource

Agreed

they are insecure

22:12

free software is better

aha theyre afraid other people will laugh about their code

(edited)

Free software is cool, you can take it, edit a little and make it proprietary

Teero

aha theyre afraid other people will laugh about their code

(edited)

no, they are insecure about others taking over and improving

Imagine ddnet was also closed src. Then there would be 20 different ddrace implementation. And far less mature Block servers.

ddpersian is calling

which part of the code traps and hides the cursor?

22:51

btw thx for unmuting me

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