DDraceNetwork - off-topic

cyberFighter 2023-08-19 01:51:43Z

@Voxel

LOL

@pilonpl dats.. a lot xd

I know

I also made a new commit to the C project

damn wtf

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pro af

18:26

u ever tried osu?

Ryozuki

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is the first pic, from "Monster"?

ye

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killer

this could also include certain mustache man from "Drifters"

i havent finished monster

same

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stopped around 30 ep or something

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not monster's fault tho, but more like my lack of commitement

im rewatching death note

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such a good anime

till certain episode, where it suddenly goes downhill, and plot makes little sense

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and also undermines how bright L was

Why do you guys watch anime?

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I only ever watched like two episodes of Pokémons

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Pokémons are cute

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It's like animals but actually not

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Weird idea

listen well, first episode of pokemon ash says

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"days of your freedom are numbered"

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which clearly shows he's a slave hunter

Ash is also a weird name

there isnt anything cute about pokemon!

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well, so is " B'ROck' "

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and MISTy

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either way, to answer the first question, it's a form of media / conveying information

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just that somone has to animate it

And these guys that try to steal Pikachu have a talking Pokémon which is quite interesting

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There are also way too many episodes of Pokémon

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Does anyone know the lore of this thing?

and way too many series, but it's nitnendo sell game / trademark so no wonder

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^ this explains all the lore and i wont elaborate

What

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I have never played a Nintendo game

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~~At least legally~~

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Their games are extremely expensive

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I prefer cheap games like DDNet

insert it's always morally correct to xxxxx nintendo

Nintendo hates their customers lol

it always surprises me. how long is the horse's life span

yes isnt it surprising?

No

some can even live past the 40

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ach ok, sure suit Urself, damn mammal

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for these high performance creatures, it's really surprising that their metabolism doesnt kill them earlier

Maybe

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Who cares?

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Horses don't have computers

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They can't to anything

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They're boring

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They can't even understand English

Ryozuki

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isnt johann from czech

pilonpl

They can't even understand English

obviously they can, they can even understand Klingon

"Nationality Czech-born German" well ok xd

they've been like "AI cars" way before AI was even a word

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u just say "DO DOMU" hop on the carraige, and Ur drunk ass wakes up in front of Ur home (granted it's not borrowed horse but Urs)

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man i cant believe U summed up horses to be boring, people used to kill each other for fast horses, they still do but more because of gambling

In minecraft horses are quite useless because it's easy to get an elytra in like an hour

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And a gunpowder farm in another hour

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Gambling is actually pretty cool

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Especially blackjack

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Because you can actually win

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Like 51% of time

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Which is great

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But casinos hate people who win money

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Because why would you use your brain

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It should be forbidden to use your brain in casinos obviously

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@pilonpl i still cant comprehend, how could U compare marvel of biomechanics to something like minecraft horse, that was useless, and late addition to the game, might aswell kept not existing

Idk, i prefer humans i guess

yeah humans are great and neatly designed too

u know what humans are best at

but i cant wrap my head around comparision of let's say a rocket or atleast rocket fuel, to bread

at keep running

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endlessly

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humans can do that

@Ryozuki tell it to modern humans lol

most animals get tired after 5 mins

Sweat is OP

nah but its for real

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u can hunt a animal just by following it

have U seen regular human nowdays?

i mean a non obese human

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a human as nature intended

@Ryozuki not only humans hunt like that, wolves do too, thing is when two animals use same tactics against each other. the smarter one wins, not the more enduring one

humans can refill lactic acid way faster

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than all animals

a non obese human, who doesnt workout, is still out of breath after 5-10 min

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid

Lactic acid

Lactic acid is an organic acid. It has a molecular formula CH3CH(OH)COOH. It is white in the solid state and it is miscible with water. When in the dissolved state, it forms a colorless solution. Production includes both artificial synthesis as well as natural sources. Lactic acid is an alpha-hydroxy acid (AHA) due to the presence of a hydroxyl ...

modern humans are weak compared to pre industralization, because of how they spend most of the day

I wonder if other animals commit suicide

also @Ryozuki there is an animal species, that beats human, but mostly because of enviorment it lives in

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and i dont mean fish

During power exercises such as sprinting, when the rate of demand for energy is high, glucose is broken down and oxidized to pyruvate, and lactate is then produced from the pyruvate faster than the body can process it, causing lactate concentrations to rise. The production of lactate is beneficial for NAD+ regeneration (pyruvate is reduced to lactate while NADH is oxidized to NAD+), which is used up in oxidation of glyceraldehyde 3-phosphate during production of pyruvate from glucose, and this ensures that energy production is maintained and exercise can continue. During intense exercise, the respiratory chain cannot keep up with the amount of hydrogen ions that join to form NADH, and cannot regenerate NAD+ quickly enough.

but mammals

Overlord

also @Ryozuki there is an animal species, that beats human, but mostly because of enviorment it lives in

nah

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no animal beats humans

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at endlessly walking/running

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u can outrun a leopard in time

Walking is easy

animals need to rest

I could easily walk all day

yeah

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animals cant

@Ryozuki then update Ur knowledge, arctic sledge dogs win, but mostly because it's in cold enviorment

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they beat human on both speed and endurance

but u know what also are humans good at?

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we are the best throwers

yep, setting traps

nobody excels us in throwing stuff

we're not best throwers, some monekys are better

even monkeys dont have the same strength an precision as us

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at throwing rocks

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u know u can kill someone throwing a small rock with ur arm

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look at baseball

U know U cam kill somone by hitting them in jaw funny

Overlord

we're not best throwers, some monekys are better

nah thats not true

Overlord

U know U cam kill somone by hitting them in jaw funny

well idk about kill, but definitly make them unable to move

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u can also hit them in the jugular

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but thats human specific

U can also hit them in the liver

a human can throw better than all animals

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our hands are simply more dexterious

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at this

either way, the humans that advanced technology "and shit".... were the ones that neither excel at throwing or unlimited endurance

It's like there is a reason why we live more comfortably than other animals

Overlord

either way, the humans that advanced technology "and shit".... were the ones that neither excel at throwing or unlimited endurance

no

the ones that advanced "us" were the ones that had to plan for harash months of the year

a normal human excels already way more at throwing

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than all animals

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im talking about average humans here

Horses can't throw rocks

tell me any animal tha tthrows stuff

m-m-m--monkey

its simply a super advanced hunt method

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monkeys dont rly throw shit

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ur safe from distance

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and can kill

they do there is one entire species that just sits in trees and throws

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either way, if world temperature was everywhere like it is in africa

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we would all be living in mud huts

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it's all thanks to winter that we have any technology

we would all be black

doesnt matter to me

Overlord

it's all thanks to winter that we have any technology

not rly

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u are just spelling random stuff xd

then what's the reason people decided to stop living hunter-gatherer?

Overlord

then what's the reason people decided to stop living hunter-gatherer?

because our brain is even better

I think humans just evolved to use more strategy than other animals. We might not be strong in usual sense compared to other animals but at least we have some op stuff like sweat

we just stopped going after animals

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and enslaved them

no, before we used animals we started growing the bushes that we used to look for previously

one thing humans are weak at is babies

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they cant do shit

but humans breed like rabbits

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so not really a problem

no lol

yes lol

rabbits breed way more

well it's just an expression -.-

insects breed even more

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kek

Quality over quantity

either way, if U want to have healthy mother and kid, U can have a child every 2 years

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if U want to risk it, U can have one everyear

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human children are pretty consious at already 4 y/o

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so yes that's quite a lot of investment time, but when U think about their lifespan it's kinda easy once they grow up to 12

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basically 12-13 equaled an adult atleast "socially"

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btw insects are probably the only thing that can end us, aside from ourselves

nah

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not insects

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virus

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or bacteria

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but we so far outsmarted them with our brains

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the most fearsome was smallpox

hmmm not really no matter the virus U can contain it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr57ax0OWMk

Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell

The (Second) Deadliest Virus

if U think about it, U could even live in small society for 30 years +/-

We are also on a good path to creating artificial intelligence that's even more op than our brains

pilonpl

We are also on a good path to creating artificial intelligence that's even more op than our brains

idk

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im not convinced yet

smallpox is also interesting from the complexity point of view

our brain is more op so far cuz our brain can make the AI

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brain excels at smth computers cant do rn

brain sucks, because they can detoriate, and neural disease exist

I actually only said that to annoy Voxel but he isn't even in the conversation

we are slow at calculating

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but

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we can decide something based on reasoning

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that a computer can take a lot more

Ryozuki

we are slow at calculating

speak for Urself

or simply not have all the facts

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@Overlord u cant sum at nanoseconds

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bro

xd

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retard

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oops

<3

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canceled

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either way

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things human can do that computer cant

our ai models are much less advanced than the human brain for example but still are able to do a lot

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Like understand text (edited)

is skip thought process from how to open door or make a scrambled egg

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U dont need all instructions to open fridge take out X and shit

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U go straight to solution of pan and egg

AI can be epic

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at protein folding

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one of the hardest problems

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well we had a pro at this matter subject

fold my protein weirdly and i will die

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cant wait for my prion disease

calculating how a protein folds

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is rly hard

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and protein folding is how life works

Alpha fold?

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Isn't it like solved already?

no lol

man i still dont get how badly folded protein can affect other proteins

??

prion disease

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A prion is a misfolded protein that can transmit its misfolded shape onto normal variants of the same protein and trigger cellular death.

Protein folding is the physical process where a protein chain is translated into its native three-dimensional structure, typically a "folded" conformation, by which the protein becomes biologically functional.

I don't really understand what alpha fold does but i suppose it is important

bro read about mad cow disease

pilonpl

I don't really understand what alpha fold does but i suppose it is important

http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/d.jones/T42morphs.gif

pilonpl

I don't really understand what alpha fold does but i suppose it is important

a protein has like a slot that fits with others

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and when fitting it can change

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due to gravity/magnetism idk

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im a bit drunk rn

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so cant explain much

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but its a rly hard problem to solve

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and its how life works

I hate life ngl

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It's so useless

isnt it mainly cause of polarity

btw do U guys think "lyme disease" was engineered or random?

What even is that lol

boreliosis etc etc

Why would anyone engineer a disease?

ngl. the "conspiracy theory" of taking japanese scientists to america after war to weaponize ticks and then coincidentally it starting in america, where the three letter agencies often use their own citizens as test subjects. really fits my worldview

engineering a diseas is bad, it can backfire to ur country super easily

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it makes no sense

Literally

it makes a lot of sense depending on disease, U cant fight against ticks, they're everywhere

covid hit china hard

secnod from capitalist point of view

and ppl said china made it

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but china had it worse lmao

if U have a wideworld disease, then U can patent Ur meds and make dough

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problem with china, was that it leaked, instead of being purposefuly released

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it's like U plan to, throw shit over Ur neighbour fence, but forgot to wear gloves

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so now both U and him have shit on urselves

I doubt anyone engineered a disease with an intention to spread it

the smart thing would be

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administer a vaccine

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against the virus

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to ur country

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before releasing it

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...

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profit

no, that's like saying "hey we made it"

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U would be public enemy number 1

so?

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so? trade with U would stop and Ur country would go to shit in 20-40 years

You would be destroyed

nobody is insane enough to attack america anymore

Ryozuki

it makes no sense

biological warfare could be extremely powerful

they never had a war on their ground that wasn't civil

Why not just kill everyone on earth? That seems more likely because there definitely are people who would be willing to do that. Like there are 8 billion humans (edited)

louis

biological warfare could be extremely powerful

all animals diseases can be prevented, but no way, they do "bug control"/pest control

pilonpl

Why not just kill everyone on earth? That seems more likely because there definitely are people who would be willing to do that. Like there are 8 billion humans (edited)

huh because some of us enjoy life? like rich people's kids

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or people who dont want much

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or people that just like watching shitshow unfold before dying

I think life is bad because it wastes energy and that's bad for the universe

sooner or later we all die, but since nobody knows what exactly is consiousness or if anything happens with it after death, we all just wig it

pilonpl

I think life is bad because it wastes energy and that's bad for the universe

wrong

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energy doesnt just disappear

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U're just a temporary container

Why would anything happen after death? It makes 0 sense

it will be released anyway

Whe you die you die

why wouldnt? things happen after death

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like insects feasting on U

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look it's pretty simple, U are pilonpl but if U get dementia / alzheimers are U still urself?

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or somone else

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nobody knows, neither can U prove that when U die U dont start in world B

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without knowing that

Probably still myself because i know the password for this account

you guys are cringe

thanks, louis, U summed up what makes me human

louis

biological warfare could be extremely powerful

and more deadly than nuclear

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btw

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we can solve climate change

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just launch some nukes

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they would lower global temp

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by 30C

ach yes nuclear winter cancel global warming

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futurama 101

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planet will heat up, and planet will cool down

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shit will just take some time

bro

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its legit we are heating it up

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emiting carbon dioxide like we do

no, we're speeding it up

traps the hit

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heat

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the ultraviolet light form the sun

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from

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which we cant see

It's because we are producing trash

if ur eye could see ultra violet light

it might be fucked for many generations, but rock itself will survive and i believe many plants and bacteria too

u couldnt see even 1 meter apart

so process will repeat

its all there

isnt that more of ozone layer?

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the UV light?

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not co2 heat

We were pretty close to a catastrophy with ozone

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I think

either way there's that event of " mass death of universe" that happens roughly 10 mld years ( i could theoretically look up why, atleast why theoreis claim it happens) but even if it was bollocks and it doesnt happen

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we have only 5mld years left

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and i wont even last a century

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and with how humans share the resources with themselves, there will be either war, or mass slavery like in steins;gate

whats mld

european bilion

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i sometimes forget myself ;V

Miliard

as miliard doesnt work in english

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i think

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ik american bilion is different? or wasnt it

Miliard does work in English

dope, but does it stand for same number?

Yes

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I mean

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There are two systems

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The correct one

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And the one that English uses (edited)

imperial

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and SI

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i mean SI and imperial

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either way, if we assume nothing exists after death, then it's no wonder greedy people fuck up the planet, as they only look at it short term, at best they want to be either leave a mark in history, or ensure their lineage is rich

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also the AC we're using (i dont have any) are inefficient, and U cant cool without work so, heat generation is worse than cooling effect

Why would we assume there is anything after death?

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After you end life there is more life?

same reason we assume, that there is life outside of earth

Why

look, U're just combination of atoms, electrons and bla bla, so what stops universe that's constantly expanding (atleast for now) to make exact same combination again?

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i would say nothing, now here comes the fact that if experiences matter at all

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because the chance to have exact same experiences, i think is 0

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as it would require other beigns ( people, animals, plants, location) to be exactly same

Technically

either way, population has to believe in something, else they wouldnt abide by the rules

Overlord

not co2 heat

co2 traps UV light

Religion probably won't survive long

the greenhouse effect

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the ozone protects us from the outside UV light

Ryozuki

co2 traps UV light

cant wait for my cancer then

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@pilonpl lol the worse times are the more prolific is religion

but co2 traps the light that passes through the ozone

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iirc

well doesnt matter @Ryozuki as far as im concerned, we ought to cover for shareholders first then work on solution after they're satifsied

true

21:04

capitalism

worst thing is, i dont think there exists non capitalist country atm

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maybe north korea but im not sure

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as they send workers to other countries to acquire currency

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drastically culling population would destroy economy, big changes to transprot industry would kill economy

Capitalism doesn't work

well 1 farmer can feed how many people now 5k 50k?

You need a lot of regulations for capitalism to kind of work

sorry but imho only dictatorship work out as a system

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because currently U have terms, so each politican either tries to prolong their term, or steals as much as they can

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only people working in "people's favor" are to be politicans, as they have to somehow get into position of which they can leech

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but as we have concluded months ago, dictatorships dont work either because 1 idiot equals end of it

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... or great suffering

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I personally there was a god that would set some laws, and just thunderbolt anyone who fails to follow them, but then again if it was just that then, some smartasses would cirumcevent them

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and we would be back to where we are

God would be op

Overlord

worst thing is, i dont think there exists non capitalist country atm

china

louis

china

it's literally one of most capitalistic countries

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they claim to be communist, but do everything to make money

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it's only communist in name, even the "party" is becoming centered around xi

Btw what went wrong with china?

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I don't understand why this country is so shit

U mean what went right? america after war, decided to exploit china a bit (there were some problems right after, but then i think roosvelt? or was it somone else, estabilished trade with them)

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and then profit skyroceted, because chinese are manually fine, and they dont have any safety labour (osha)

What's also interesting is that google was willing to create a search engine for china i think

so it's cheap cheap cheap, but they also werent stupid, and always play long game, because their system is of clans, and one clan have many families, instead of western world concept of familly which is small

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china is big money

So it's just show some companies would do literally anything just to profit

also, chinese have wide net of agents, so they steal technology very often

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either way, now they're role model for western countires on how to control their own population

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also china likes to inflate their own gdp, even if it costs them ( no idea why )

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but it's the only country i have ever heard of, of selling plastic rice, where instead of 1kg bag of rice, U get plastic rice (but this might have been propaganda who knows what's cheaper to make )

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also chinese of mainland discarded and burnt their years of culture

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so they're really mixed bag overthere

Plastic rice? what

Anyways, poland got eliminated in the first round in the latest mrbeast video

no idea what that's about, but im glad we're out?

We probably got some girl representing us

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Girls are lazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xu3_lOF78

GOOD VIDEO

How Chinese Making Fake Rice from Plastic

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plastic rice factory

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either way, one can always argue it's for "decoration" purposes

And i am not using plastic straws to save the planet

people lcaim straws were more for turtles than plastic itself

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either way, only in one documentary have i seen woman buy plastic ricei n a shop

Technically

and U basically only know it's plastic, because it floats in water

Why would straws end up in the oceans and close to turtles?

because EU want to feel good about themselves, so they sell their trash to cheap countries in east and souther asia

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and they dump it into the rivers / oceans

o

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i missed chat

21:22

tldr?

china, capitalism bad, plastic

drink getting to me

We need to stop producing trash lol

pilonpl

We need to stop producing trash lol

its impossible

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i think

also, no good system for governance or keeping capitalism in check

we cant convince population

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humans also thrive in routines

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a obese routine

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for example

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they will keep eating

we're making population even worse, by selling them peeled fruits in plastic packages

even if it kills em

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but u can also make positive routines

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like gym

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humans find efficiency in repeating what they like

gym is actually great.... energy waster, it produces nothing of quality

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and uses up a lot of resources

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U have to heat gym, U have to AC gym, U have to have treadmills attached to outlet - thus electricity, light

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and then all those humans eat and shit

Overlord

gym is actually great.... energy waster, it produces nothing of quality

it betters urself

only to burn that energy

which is the best u can do

im talking globally not for individual

yeah globally idk

for individual capitalism would be wonderfull as long as they're winning

maybe not being obese helps keep spend less

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in hospitals

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but yeah

well obese people add to greenhouse gases

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and yeah

xd

true about hospitals

What about crypto?

either way, hospitals dont care about energy bills either aleast in poland

Imagine using energy on useless calculations

crypto great it's literally one of last hopes, becuase they;'re trying to get rid of physical cash

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once U cant do transactions privately, Ur life is fully controlled (edited)

pilonpl

Imagine using energy on useless calculations

Just to prove you have done literally nothing except using energy

so, if cash were to stay, i could say crypto could go fuck itself, but then again, it also retains it value (atleast in case of bitcoin) as in U cant flood market with it and cause massive inflation

I mean yeah, crypto is needed so you can safely buy drugs on the darknet but other than that it's quite wasteful

but all the new controlled crypto is just a waste

Overlord

crypto great it's literally one of last hopes, becuase they;'re trying to get rid of physical cash

Meanwhile the whole thing going down cuz one crazy investor decided to sell 1.6m$ in tokens

pilonpl

I mean yeah, crypto is needed so you can safely buy drugs on the darknet but other than that it's quite wasteful

cash is still safer for that

I think you should use monero to buy stuff on the darknet (edited)

Bomb

Meanwhile the whole thing going down cuz one crazy investor decided to sell 1.6m$ in tokens

well, if i was a bank, i too would dabble in crypto just to show how unreliable it is? pretty simple thing

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then they release their own crypto as if its any different from digital cash on bank accounts

pilonpl

I mean yeah, crypto is needed so you can safely buy drugs on the darknet but other than that it's quite wasteful

It's a good way to keep your finances when crysis

yea it's also easier to move countries and claim U have nothing

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because physically U really do have nothing

That's interesting actually

overall, crypto like bitcoin has to stabilise after all of it is mined, keep in mind a lot of it was lost too

21:29

i personally dont own even a cent in cryptocurrencies

crypto lives cuz goverment lets it lets not lie ourselves

crypto lives, because U cant control, how people use their electricity, also electricity is hard to store long term, so they dont really care

gov can shutdown internet

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countrywide

yesn't

or regulate ISPS

chiina has great firewall and despite that U have them accessing 'normal' internet

Ryozuki

crypto lives cuz goverment lets it lets not lie ourselves

I don't think it could be handled cuz when you shut down let's say binance another three analogues will appear

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Oh

21:31

Nvm I'm too slow

either way, interent is decentralised, and U dont really need ISP as long as U have means of accessing the other device me it by either cable or radio

21:31

also there are satelites nowdays, that private companies throw into space

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it's funny as fuck, because space "cant be owned" yet is

Overlord

either way, interent is decentralised, and U dont really need ISP as long as U have means of accessing the other device me it by either cable or radio

idk

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actually

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torrent protocol

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is the best

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and most

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"crypto-ish"

21:32

nobody has succeeed as much as torrent

21:32

the main promoter of truly decentralized data sharing

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goverments cant deal with it

21:33

piracy is done thanks to it

21:33

the torrent protocol is genius

21:33

bittorrent*

idk if U have noticed, but there is different problem atm

Torrenting is less popular nowadays, isn't it?

"they" no longer care that people have access to knowledge

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it's so flooded with shit, that U cant distinguish information

21:33

or the other case, people no longer care whats real or not

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their dopamine oxycotin and other crap i cant spell are fucked up

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mine included

pilonpl

Torrenting is less popular nowadays, isn't it?

kids nowdays, have same issue the older generation had with pcs

21:34

they have no idea how it works, and they dont want to know how it works

21:34

they just want it to works, + they're better at operating phones than pcs

Many people probably have never created a folder

21:35

On a phone you don't really need that

21:35

And on pc just store everything on your desktop

well they're kinda forced by school to atleast make excel file, but yeah

pilonpl

And on pc just store everything on your desktop

and what's wrong with that !?!!?!

21:37

too many exclamations?

Maybe

21:37

I have a lot of shortcuts to software on my windows desktop

21:37

Way too many

21:38

I really like software i guess

i barerly have any shortcuts, but i do have 3 folders called "pulpit" "pulpit clean" "cleanPULPIT1111"

I don't understand why people use facebook messenger

Mine only has trash can and tor browser folder (cuz I am still too lazy to move it somewhere)

pilonpl

I don't understand why people use facebook messenger

because their friends use it

21:38

same reason i got discord and other communicators, before that i only used steam, but people finally stopped logging in at all

I have no idea how everyone still uses desktop honestly after you can't switch to it like in win7

pilonpl

I don't understand why people use facebook messenger

It literally tracks your every action and there are alternatives like even WhatsApp which is technically end to end encrypted but i would recommend signal since it's open source

Bomb

I have no idea how everyone still uses desktop honestly after you can't switch to it like in win7

i dont understand

pilonpl

It literally tracks your every action and there are alternatives like even WhatsApp which is technically end to end encrypted but i would recommend signal since it's open source

afaik signal doesnt work on pc, secnod of all, they dont care, and Ur mother uses whatsapp so U do too

You could alt+tab to desktop on win7

If you want to discuss illegal stuff you might want to have a separate device just for that actually. It depends on how much FBI might care about you

Bomb

You could alt+tab to desktop on win7

oh yea, U cant do that on 10, my first time noticing, because i always have a folder opened or just use that thing in the corner

pilonpl

If you want to discuss illegal stuff you might want to have a separate device just for that actually. It depends on how much FBI might care about you

separate device not enough, if same localization from same network

21:41

kinda like they caught that kid at school issuing bomb threats via tor

Overlord

oh yea, U cant do that on 10, my first time noticing, because i always have a folder opened or just use that thing in the corner

Oh so you use desktop as a folder only? (edited)

because he was the only one connected to school net and using tor

Overlord

because he was the only one connected to school net and using tor

He was just stupid

Dolphin browser+proxy and you're almost totally anonymous

Bomb

Oh so you use desktop as a folder only? (edited)

well U can do that, but no, i use dekstop as desktop, just when U have fullscreen application like heroes3, and alt tab to a folder U end up on desktop, so never had that problem

Tor should be enough if government is not actively looking for you

pilonpl

He was just stupid

yes, but who cares, tor is not safe, for tor to be safe, best would be to have separate location, and a device running 24/7, constantly downloading or uploading random amount of data, so they can never tell when it's being used for real

21:43

shitload of things can be monitored

Yeah

21:44

I actually don't use tor for illegal stuff

not to mention backdoors in bios, like what lovely gigabyte did recently

Obviously you can't trust your hardware

well best would be to use TailOS on top of it all

21:45

either way, U cant go privacy route in today's world because U're cut out of society

21:45

and why are we on discord not on IRC

I like knowing how to hide because who knows, maybe some day i would like to become a criminal

21:45

Why not

i would rather know, how to circumvent, nationwide blocks, than how to hide

21:46

because U cant change Ur face

Discord actually doesn't have to be encrypted or private or anything because it is supposed to be public

so if they conenct U to, any of Ur old accounts like U abandon pilonpl and move with Ur life

21:47

well discord kinda killed regular forums imo

21:47

reddit too

21:47

dont like so much "power" concentrating

I actually don't want my face to be connected with this nick ever

rm -rf french

21:47

dont ask me

Overlord

dont like so much "power" concentrating

Maybe, i dont care

Ryozuki

rm -rf french

does it delete the french?

Discord doesn't have anything important for me

discord has bad search function imo

21:49

but for me certain servers hold as much info as normal forum would

I guess but discord is more about chatting with others rather than reading old messages

depends on topic

You always can use a bot or something to log every message

im always on topic

21:51

rust

21:51

if ur on topic in off topic

21:51

is it against rules?

21:52

is it off topic to be on topic

21:52

on off topic

21:52

sry weird question to ask

21:52

insert meme here

listen Ryozuki

21:52

Rust is great

im definitly not drunk

but Rusty bikes are cheap

Also i made a new commit

21:52

Do you want to review it?

21:52

It's really nice

did U commit urself to the case?

21:52

btw what sort of alcohol is it @Ryozuki

@pilonpl at the end u used a hidden C feature

21:52

ur a pro

21:52

im noob

21:53

i should retire

he's younger than U too

Well i guess

Overlord

btw what sort of alcohol is it @Ryozuki

wine

21:53

xd

everything points out, that U're old fart already

21:53

wine 10%?

i get drunk easy

champagne?

14

damn, asti or prosseco

21:53

however U spell taht

Overlord

everything points out, that U're old fart already

nah but the feature was rly unknown

@Ryozuki then how come learath knew?

I am a genius actually

and i fear he needs yet to understand more

U're just bad youngster who dropped uni

@Overlord cuz learath is as obsessed with C as i am with Rust

21:53

if u got a C question, ask him

You underestimate my power

Overlord

U're just bad youngster who dropped uni

idk

well that's unexpected

i met ppl who went to uni

21:54

have masters

21:54

they dont know shit

i always thought he was just miserable because of C not obsessed

my irl friend

21:54

i know more thasn him

21:54

low level stuff

21:54

MLIR

uni is more about spending time than having skills

assembly

uni is a requirment for some jobs, and im fine with that, but not for IT fortunately

I know how to make a half adder

21:55

And i think you can make a full adder from two half adders

meanwhile i know waht doesnt make me happy in life

21:56

and have vague idea what does

I think i should design my own cpu

here

21:56

go be an os

21:56

https://plbrault.github.io/youre-the-os/

What is this

21:57

A game a suppose

indeed

I can't play it on android i think

21:58

But i can compile C on android

21:58

I am light years ahead of ryozuki

U are lightyears ahead of me, but what does it matter

21:59

can U even benchpress half of what @Ryozuki can?

rn i can benchpress 60kg bar included

21:59

20kg on each side

21:59

6 reps

how can U be drinking and excercising

22:00

it doesnt go well from what i seem to remember

dude im not exercising rn

no i mean in general

22:00

or U rarerly drink?

Why would you even touch alcohol?

22:00

It's so bad

22:01

For so many reasons

it's not bad, he's drinking wine

22:01

it's actually good for him in certain amounts

how much is 60kg in freedom units

Overlord

or U rarerly drink?

hmm on some weekends

2bald eagles, squared football field

louis

how much is 60kg in freedom units

132.277lb

ah its like 1 plate

lol no

22:01

well

yes just familly lasagna

louis

how much is 60kg in freedom units

60 liters of h2o

1 plate each side

1 plate of 20kg on each side

22:02

i started with like

22:02

5kg on each side

22:02

so its progress

22:02

i bet u cant do this

och god he wasnt memeing, he asked for real now i feel like an idiot

lol nice progress

Ryozuki

i bet u cant do this

im almost to 135

22:02

last time i tried max it was 125 lol

how many reps tho

@pilonpl only strong alcohol bad

oh ye i cant do 6 reps on that xd

22:03

i think 3 or so

louis

lol nice progress

Speaking about progress, i made a lot of progress with my ddnet map

22:03

It's so good now

22:03

But doesn't have textures

Overlord

no i mean in general

in general being an alcoholic hurts gains yeah

22:03

but idt its bad in moderation

ye

22:03

alcohol is bad

22:04

cuz its empty calories

22:04

also it deprives rem sleep

22:04

which heals muscles

22:04

but well

22:04

i dont want to simply do nothing never

22:04

u gotta let go sometimes xd

Ryozuki

also it deprives rem sleep

So it's also bad for lucid dreamers?

no u need to be dopamine detox sigma male bro

i wish i could spend a week without a computer

22:05

i do wonder what i would do :l

22:05

(no phone included)

pilonpl

So it's also bad for lucid dreamers?

idk, but rem sleep is when the body heals

22:05

and its when muscles heal

22:05

when u drink u sleep

22:05

but u dont rly get rem sleep

Its also when you have dreams i think

this is why alcoholic people have bad withdrawals

22:05

they dream

22:05

rly bad stuff

22:06

noticeu dont dream

22:06

when u sleep drunk

22:06

xd

Have you ever had a lucid dream?

no

i did btw idk about U guys, but simple things in dreams bring me happines that same simple things cant irl

I wonder how many people know about lucid dreams

horny dreams best tho

22:08

true, but even dreams like

22:08

doing house chores, and im suddenly happy

Overlord

i did btw idk about U guys, but simple things in dreams bring me happines that same simple things cant irl

Exactly, in dreams you feel everything 10x stronger

maybe because despite being work it feels effortless

pilonpl

Exactly, in dreams you feel everything 10x stronger

U know any reason for that? would like to know myself

22:08

but am no longer young and interested in dreams to look what people on interents say about that

Overlord

doing house chores, and im suddenly happy

i dont like cleaning but the janitor sim game is epic

22:09

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Overlord

U know any reason for that? would like to know myself

I don't know the reason but it's a common thing

ik the game, but i rather clean irl despite it being tiring

This game is awesome

22:11

I think i watched it on youtube

22:13

It's also not something you think about but someone has to clean up crime scenes and suicides and stuff like that

there are some clean ways to suicide tho

I guess

22:15

But those might have worse chance at succeeding or something

btw hanging urself in a graveyard isnt clean

22:15

U might actually take out some granny with U this way

I wonder if other animals can commit suicide

some do so unknowingly like cats jumping from 10th floor

22:17

so it's more of accident?

22:18

but i think there are cases of animals that willingly starve themselves to death

22:18

but usually it's those that bond for entire life so birds?

on one hand, it's neat that there's always somone to ask, on the other he is just as reliable as me, so not at all

I use it a lot actually

22:22

It told me about GDPR

yeah AI is great for law, especially up to date AI

22:22

no wonder lawyers shit their pants

pilonpl

It told me about GDPR

It didn't know about art 20 tho

because it solves the problem of remembering

22:23

and then law language is translated to human

As long as it doesn't hallucinate stuff it should be fine

now ask it about horses

22:25

and what a marvel of bioengineering they're

You can ask it too

no i cant

It's public

i dont train AIs

22:25

either way horses arent that marvelous

22:25

as they can only thrive in specific enviorment

22:25

if its too hot they're useless

22:25

and if it's too cold same

22:25

shitty ass horses

Wdym you don't train ai

everytime U speak to it, U contribute to training it

Not in case of clyde

22:26

It specifically states it doesn't collect any data

22:27

I guess that's good

like im gonna believe that

22:27

what it was trained on?

I don't think you should use data from discord to train ai

22:27

It's openais technology actually

U filter it out, and make statistics

22:28

there are many ways this data will be used if not for training

22:28

it might be for different type of ads, it might be to profile people more

22:28

doesnt matter to me, i wont be contributing

I mean fair enough

22:29

I don't think they use any if this data for anything

idk storage is extremely cheap nowdays

I mean i guess it's not really clear if openai uses data from clyde or not

22:31

"general models"

22:31

So non general models are fine?

22:31

A bit weird

22:32

What do they mean by general models

hi

22:33

im a

22:33

contributor

22:33

to AI

22:33

drunk AI development

there's nothing open about openai

pilonpl

I mean i guess it's not really clear if openai uses data from clyde or not

Alright, so actually they use this data to improve Clyde. Fair enough although a bit misleading i guess

either way i do wonder how much ryozuki has drank

22:34

because i never got drunk, despite trying twice

Overlord

there's nothing open about openai

They're open about their closeness

22:37

They literally say they want to make safe ai so other companies can use it

22:37

And they can make money

i dont believe in anything microsoft puts lots of cash in

22:38

they care less about their CVEs and more about the new spyware to put in bimbows

I hoped bing would gain a bit popularity

22:39

Because google doesn't have any competition

pilonpl

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i wish you could block him

well sadly duckduckgo shares data with microsoft

He is nice

so its just anti google

It's time to make a new search engine

22:41

In rust

also french come up with new and new ways to remove people right for privacy

Voxel

i wish you could block him

Don hate ai or it will destroy you

ai sucks, because of its misuse

Overlord

also french come up with new and new ways to remove people right for privacy

It's to protect the children obviously

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a9qNLZW_460svav1.mp4

22:43

as the reddit post it was taken from got deleted

pilonpl

It's to protect the children obviously

btw did they finally pass chat control or not

I have no idea

22:44

There is a lot of stuff going on

22:44

Google wants drm the web

22:44

And there was also something in the uk

22:44

With encryption

well, we will be back to private and public key era

22:45

atleast minority of people and those will be watched more scrutinly

22:46

while rest wont care because they dont care about anything ever

Eu is gonna save us

Overlord

ai sucks, because of its misuse

tru

Misuse?

EU is the one's fucking us

22:47

they're the ones who introduced chat control

What

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/2/1/eu-chat-control-law-will-ban-open-source-operating-systems/

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22:48

https://european-pirateparty.eu/parliament-approves-chatcontrol/

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22:48

either way chat control act is very simple thing

22:48

how to introduce dictatorship in democracy?

22:48

introduce law

22:48

dont vote it

22:48

introduce it again dont vote it

22:48

do so enough times that people stop following

22:48

or will think it already happend

I don't think they can do this

then introduce it and vote it

Germany really like privacy

22:49

They don't even have street view

22:50

They surly have to understand something

they also dont have good mobile internet

pilonpl

They don't even have street view

we do now! (edited)

Since when

couple weeks maybe

And is it actually not blurred?

probably more than average but very useable for geoguessr

Interesting

22:54

I don't think street view is that big of a concern for privacy

22:54

Like ok it does contain photos of houses

22:55

But it should be allowed to record the street i think

22:55

It seems reasonable

well you can still request a blur for anything rly

Right

22:58

I mean i guess it's fair you don't want some company to have photos of your entire country

22:58

Idk

one odd additional rule for germany is that they dont show old images

I don't really know what that changes

23:02

But ok

23:03

And you are still allowed to post recordings of everything on youtube right?

23:04

Also I haven't heard of any malicious use of street view

23:04

It doesn't seem like a big deal

23:04

And it's cool

23:05

Well i guess these images are used to train ai probably