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@RonIn ты спишь, вообще?

03:22

ебаные модеры удаляют гифки

А это баг какой или что (edited)

03:22

С тимрангами

Нет, я просто гений

03:23

Ааа

03:23

Не сомневаюсь

Voxel

GRRH

This is useful actually

06:43

10$ a month is a lot tho

06:48

Artists really hate ai

06:48

I think it's because they're useless now

06:49

But honestly idk why they care so much

06:50

If ai can make art surly it can do other stuff too

06:51

For example kill people

06:51

That's very useful in today's world

I just want to point out that samsung automated guns could kill people way before that AI boom

pilonpl

I think it's because they're useless now

oh fuck off

11:47

artists are pretty much why everything looks good

11:48

they put work into these things yknow

11:48

if ai is going to be used for everything its all going to look like a bland corperate mess

11:49

ai art can only do one style and thats photorealism

11:51

thanks for making me see that dogshit take firsr thing when i wake up btw

pilonpl

Artists really hate ai

Only insecure ones that think their skills can be replaced with some blobby mess that sort of looks like a thing

Some of these ai generated images look really good

only at first glance

No

yes

pilonpl

Some of these ai generated images look really good

do you not zoom in

Especially when you do some Photoshop afterwards

11:58

Actually Photoshop has ai now too

yea and it sucks

have you ever said anything good about ai?

12:00

Here fingers are messed up a little a suppose

we're talking about art tho, not mimicking photos

12:02

For me this look great idk

yeah very nicely copied stock photo

pilonpl

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Well

12:04

It doesn't look bad

12:04

This is cute

12:05

This is pretty much flawless i think

12:05

I mean

12:05

The river is a bit weird

12:06

Nothing that you couldn't fix with some more ai i think

???LOL

Yeah i know

12:07

Still great

12:07

Easy to fix i think

12:08

I think it's entirely possible for these ai art generator to get much much better

it will forever be bad in my book unless it somehow benefits artists

I understand that there are some issues with ai in general

12:09

But like what do you want to do?

12:09

Stop all progress?

12:10

I think this technology is surprisingly good

pilonpl

But like what do you want to do?

pay my artists for actual content

No

12:12

I only need "art" for my ddnet map actually lol

12:12

I am gonna make it myself

12:12

Probably

Voxel

it will forever be bad in my book unless it somehow benefits artists

i mean depending on how its used artists could still use it to benefit them no?

12:13

say like some 3d art piece, if ai gets (or already is) good enough to generate decent materials, artists could use those maybe even for free

The main complaint is that copyrighted material was used to train these models

sure there are materials people do actually make but depending on the situation artists could use ais to make materials that nearly fits what they want exactly

12:14

obv there are other issues, but i dont think artists have zero benefit from ai

And at least the output of these models can't be copyrighted i think? Law doesn't really account for ai i guess

im fairly neutral on the whole ai thing, its cool to see but i also see the frustrations artists have over it

artwork that ai helped with >>>>> "artwork" that ai made

sure

like at least with ai helping you can still tweak it and have it be a half you thing

12:16

but ppl trying to sell to me ai art like its a product

12:16

nuh uh

Voxel

like at least with ai helping you can still tweak it and have it be a half you thing

theres also people spending hours working on prompts and impainting etc to make ai pieces, so theres still manual work and potential creativity on the human side

the argument was that AI somehow makes artists "useless", not that artists can't use it in their work, but the more human work goes into it the better the result will be

Broso56

theres also people spending hours working on prompts and impainting etc to make ai pieces, so theres still manual work and potential creativity on the human side

Voxel

Click to see attachment 🖼️

lmao

I think it doesn't matter how art was created, just if it looks good. Current ai isn't perfect but that doesn't mean you can't get flawless results if you use your brain a little. So i guess the only real issue is the training data

the thing is, there is no ai that actually understands artistic concepts and how to use them

people already have very good software etc assist making art, if ai gets better i could definitely see ai being the next step

I do some "art" stuff too i guess. I made some (pretty bad) renders in blender

i'd imagine digital art/software has made very similar conversations when that became a thing

Yes

im a code artist

12:21

I made some "art" with code too

im gonna leave before troll mode activates

Ryozuki

im a code artist

did you print and frame a screenshot of rust code?

code is art

12:21

i meant

Rightt

Ryozuki

code is art

doesnt feel like it tbh

to iterate is human, to recurse, divine

Only rust is art right?

@Voxel cuz u dont know how to code

12:22

u need to appreciate good looking code

12:22

code that u say, god damn, thats insane

Ddnet map design is art

12:22

I am an artist guys lol

but u cant find that in ddnet mostly xd

12:23

for example, the quake inverse square function

12:23

thats art

12:23

and game industry history

12:23

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root

Fast inverse square root

Fast inverse square root, sometimes referred to as Fast InvSqrt() or by the hexadecimal constant 0x5F3759DF, is an algorithm that estimates 1 x {\textstyle {\frac {1}{\sqrt {x}}}} , the reciprocal (or multiplicative inver...

Ryozuki

for example, the quake inverse square function

It's actually not that great

12:23

I mean

12:23

Kind of genius

12:23

It feels more like a brute force method

its genius

12:23

u cant deny it

12:24

finding it without knowing

I mean it's a lot of math

code is ultimately math

Where everything just cancels out perfectly

12:24

Idk

12:24

In ddnets code there are places with 10 indentation levels lol

12:24

That's insane

and thats why u need to learn more

12:24

about coding

12:24

cuz that matters like 1%

12:25

ur focusing on wrong points xd

I am pretty sure you shouldnt have much indentation (edited)

pilonpl

In ddnets code there are places with 10 indentation levels lol

the empty space made using indents creates a sense of vastness

ddnet code isnt the prettiest anyway

12:27

12y+ old code

yes it has kinda terrible style

well c++ is ugly

12:27

ngl

12:27

rust is more beautiful

12:27

but i dont talk about the code style as is

12:27

i talk about what the code achieves

12:27

and not necessarely related to ddnet

12:28

xd

12:28

anyway, code is a form of art

12:28

and since nobody can claim what art is

12:28

im right

u are ugly

thats mean

12:28

and goes

against rule 1

12:28

banned

12:28

#1 Be nice – Don't insult others or engage in lazy negativity towards other people's projects, even as a joke.

12:28

ill call heinrich

well u were mean towards c++

its not a person

it has feelings too

12:29

go back to work

12:29

im in holidays

me too

fake

no fake lol

already 3 days wasted

12:30

i have holidays till 27

12:30

till 23 for me

noob

C++ has oop stuff so ofc it's bad

its not bad cuz oop

I hate oop because that's what people on youtube say

toctou

its bad cuz it has a million ways to do the same thing, with lots of caveeats, easy to hit UB everywhere

12:31

nobody rly knows c++

12:31

if they claim, they dont

12:32

TOCTOU

12:32

xddd

I guess but inheritance seems quite bad

ye

12:32

composition better

12:32

like rust

i know a bit of c++ because ddnet uses it

u just know for loops

12:32

u dont rly know pointers

12:32

dont wanna be rude

Pointers are so easy to understand

no they arent

12:33

when u dont know programming

12:33

they are rly abstract

Like literally there wasn't a time when i didn't understand pointers

@Ryozuki I'd say code is an art in the sense that it takes a lot of skill to do well, not art in a creative sense unless you use it to create visuals or music

For me pointers are so logical

some walls i recognize ppl struggle: arrays -> for loops -> ??? -> pointers -> locks -> memory barriers

I think it depends on the model you have in your head

Ravie

@Ryozuki I'd say code is an art in the sense that it takes a lot of skill to do well, not art in a creative sense unless you use it to create visuals or music

i think all stuff that requires skill has art in it, the art of mastering for example

12:34

then the art of the results u produce

Model of how computers work

with that mastery

12:34

@Voxel u should pick up a book or tutorial on c++

12:34

but i recommend u drop c++ for now

12:35

and learn C

C is amazing

C is simple

So much more simple than c++

12:35

~~more simple btw~~

but with C u will surely learn pointers

Ryozuki

i think all stuff that requires skill has art in it, the art of mastering for example

yeah that's what I mean, but the result of it is not always artistic

and love segfaults

Ryozuki

@Voxel u should pick up a book or tutorial on c++

What would you recommend?

and buffer overflows

12:36

and security issues

pilonpl

What would you recommend?

I want to contribute to ddnet someday

and stack stuff

12:36

hmm

12:36

honestly i dont remember how i learnt c++

12:36

probs using ddnet mostly

12:36

xd

12:36

but i dont recommend

Right

i like this site

12:37

https://www.codewars.com/

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A coding practice website for all programming levels – Join a community of over 3 million developers and improve your coding skills in over 55 programming languages!

Ryozuki

probs using ddnet mostly

the best way, you get plenty of examples of what to not do

ddnet is one of the only thing i care about in terms of coding

Ravie

the best way, you get plenty of examples of what to not do

nah but fundamental stuff u learn

I already understand most concepts in programming i guess so i don't want like noob approach

because its actually fun

the issue with ddnet is more of code design

12:37

not pointers itself

pilonpl

I already understand most concepts in programming i guess so i don't want like noob approach

do u know recursion

Yes

pointers are great

I made minesweeper in c and it uses recursion

do you know what is a happens before relation

12:38

quickly googles

What

its related

12:39

to the c++ memory model

12:39

memory ordering

12:39

https://preshing.com/20130702/the-happens-before-relation/

Well i didn't know about this term

@pilonpl implement a hashmap

12:42

its fun

12:43

a open addressing quadratic probing hashmap

Ryozuki

https://preshing.com/20130702/the-happens-before-relation/

Isn't this like common sense?

not the one using linked lists

Idk

Ryozuki

@pilonpl implement a hashmap

Ok i'll try

pilonpl

Isn't this like common sense?

i guess but its related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_ordering and concurrency

Memory ordering

Memory ordering describes the order of accesses to computer memory by a CPU. The term can refer either to the memory ordering generated by the compiler during compile time, or to the memory ordering generated by a CPU during runtime. In modern microprocessors, memory ordering characterizes the CPU's ability to reorder memory operations – it is a...

I haven't done anything with multithreading

im glad we're talking about coding now

pilonpl

Ok i'll try

let us know if you need help writing the prompt

AI good voxel bad

12:45

linux good windows bad

@Ryozuki now that i realize it, windows is made using code

Ryozuki

https://preshing.com/20130702/the-happens-before-relation/

Honestly i don't understand how that's important at all. Everything is ordered how i would expect i guess?

coding really is art

@pilonpl also read this if u havent

12:45

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

pilonpl

Honestly i don't understand how that's important at all. Everything is ordered how i would expect i guess?

no, the cpu is free to reorder some instructions

12:46

and that matters in MT

I know about that

12:46

But it doesn't matter in single threaded stuff

12:46

yeah

And I haven't done any multithreading

then u need to do that

12:47

its the hardest part

I know

r u on linux

Multithreading isn't that important most of the time i guess

Ryozuki

r u on linux

I am on android right now xd

xd

get linux for amdroid

12:48

and ryo will love you

android is linux

dont caaaare

You can actually code on Android

12:48

And i have done it

can you

But i don't tell everybody about it because it's a bit werid

12:49

You can install acode + termux

12:49

And you can run python for example

there are no coding apps for android that are free

And C

12:49

There is acode

12:49

Acode is a code editor

12:49

And termux can do anything really

Ryozuki

r u on linux

I use windows and linux

12:50

Mainly linux

12:50

But i have a lot of stuff installed on windows

12:50

So windows too

pilonpl

So windows too

based

i also use both, to play some games

12:51

but mostly gentoo

Like geometry dash

12:51

Gd is only on windows and mac

12:52

I think i should install some more pro distro than linux mint

12:52

Arch seems pretty good

12:52

People with anime girls on their profile picture use arch

arch and gentoo users are a dni for me

And also i should uninstall my desktop

12:53

Because i look like a noob

12:54

Imagine using a desktop environment in 2023

thats like most of the world

13:00

oh yea i wanted to say

13:00

i dont understand the "future is now" hype like i never really felt that way before towards anything

What

yoy jnm

13:17

yoy ino

13:17

FUCK

13:17

you know how people say "the future is now" to pretty much everything

13:17

i never really get why

13:18

my life still feels the same as it did when the "future" was announced

Well

13:26

Stuff changes too slowly to notice

13:27

It one thing at a time

Ryozuki

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

Why should i read this actually?

13:29

Like what's the point

13:30

It's quite long too

philosophy

13:32

good dev

oh yea ive seen this

13:33

from what i remember all i read was "ermm its cracker not hacker"

ye u havent read

I think i am a good candidate for a "hacker" whotever that means lol

just read it

13:34

u dont have to agree xs

I am reading it and it seems common sense

13:34

As everything really

13:34

My main problem is that i waste so much time on youtube instead of doing actually fun stuff

Then dont watch YouTube and do the fun stuff

OMG

13:37

This

Ryozuki

ye u havent read

yes i have

pilonpl

This

Just changed my life

13:37

I should just

13:37

Not watch youtube

Ure welcome

Holy shit why haven't i thought about that earlier

pilonpl

I should just

"I should just" -pilonpl 2023

So a hacker is basically a person that does stuff with computers?

13:39

Cool stuff that is

13:39

Like geometry dash programming language

GUYS GUYS

13:39

the future is always now

pilonpl

Like geometry dash programming language

Made in rust obviously

There is no present

13:39

Because it constantly changes into the past

13:39

No need to thank me

Does the past exist tho?

13:41

Or is it gone

13:41

Anyways

13:41

Is my english functional?

13:41

Also this means russian hackers aren't hackers

Voxel

yoy jnm

me too

pilonpl

Made in rust obviously

proof?

What

wdym what

https://youtu.be/QuAiSi6f5x8

Spu7Nix

Brainfugd by Spu7Nix (programming language in Geometry Dash)

13:45

It's made in rust

ok

This is so cool

yea ive seen that

13:46

spu7nix is insane

Voxel

yes i have

thats not what all the text is about? so no u havent

I think this text is common sense

13:48

I am just gonna do whatever i feel like doing lol

so watching yt xd

Nooo

13:49

Yt is evil

do like me

13:49

projects here and there

13:49

u abandon ek

13:49

em

13:49

ddstats xd

I would like to contribute to open source

Ryozuki

thats not what all the text is about? so no u havent

i tried reading it

But it's not that straight forward i suppose

13:50

I don't have that much experience with programming

same and i almost dont want to anymore

13:51

idk the only fun i have in coding is poking at ddnet

i also dont rly contribute much to others than ddnet

13:54

but i did some MC mods and terraria plugins

I hope i will have enough knowledge to contribute to ddnet in a meaningful way

13:55

I mean

13:55

Hope isn't enough i suppose

13:55

It isn't about hope at all actually

tbh you just have to look at the code and understand how it's built

13:56

ryo said the code style sucked but idk what good code style is to him

I do understand soft of how it works

13:56

But c++ is hard

13:57

I don't always understand why the thing i am doing doesn't work

Voxel

ryo said the code style sucked but idk what good code style is to him

Rust style

13:57

Obviously

13:57

Btw read most of this hacker tutorial

13:58

And idk

13:58

It doesn't seem that important

13:58

Like i know what you need to become a "hacker"

what is rust style

Idk, some people just like rust

14:00

Because of memory safety

14:00

And other stuff

14:00

And it honestly does look good

14:01

I have experimented with rust a bit

14:01

And it is a great experience kind of

14:01

Even tho I don't understand a lot

rust is such a creative block

14:05

you have to do this EXACTLY or else no program

14:06

sounds rly demotivating

Artists be like

14:06

Creative people

14:07

Actually limits are good for creativity

14:07

For example minecraft

thats true but what if i want to actually see my progress

Idk

14:09

I use python most of the time

i REALLY want to give rust a chance but theres no good projects

14:09

that i can do

14:09

i hate starting from scratch

Make a Rubik's cube solver

14:10

Or sudoku solver

pilonpl

Make a Rubik's cube solver

theres tons online

Right

14:10

Ofc there are

14:10

There are like 8 billion people on earth

14:10

What did you expect?

14:12

@Ryozuki would you like to review my minesweeper code?

14:12

Lol

14:13

I guess i can just send it here

ok but im at gym rn i would look at it later

Actually i can't send it in text form because it's too long

pilonpl

It doesn't seem that important

99% of coders are drones that just code at work

pilonpl

Actually i can't send it in text form because it's too long

ur starting wrong

14:15

u should setup git

14:15

use git always

I know

14:16

But it's just a few functions

is it console based

14:16

u have a new project

14:16

give it real graphics

Well

14:16

I am working on gui too

14:17

For now i just made the logic

git always anyway

14:18

git is also a progress saver

14:18

if u want to do a refactor, its nice to have a starting commit

14:18

in case it doesnt work out

14:19

it also helps find bugs

14:19

bisec

14:19

bisect

I don't use git because i wouldn't use it "correctly" anyways. I know it's bad because this way i will never learn how to use properly

idk whats correct

14:19

u make a feature and then a commit

14:20

or make a commit half way

14:20

git style only matters when making a PR to others

Each commit should do one specific thing

and it depends on their preference

And i often edit muktiple things at once

i do too

14:20

nobody said each commit should do 1 thing

14:20

its just 1 of the styles

14:21

i think its called atomic commits

I guess

14:21

Anyways, i can always add git

14:21

After making a few functions

14:22

I want the initial commit to at least compile and do something

14:23

I decided to use raylib for graphics

14:25

I use visual studio for this project actually

14:25

Because idk how to compile a project with raylib manually lol

14:26

In python you just do pip install

wrong

14:27

commits dont need to compile

14:27

u see git wrong xd

Maybe

14:27

I like things to be perfect xd

git is perfect due to that intermiadate commits

14:28

ur perfection is wrong

I get annoyed when stuff is out of place even by like a centimetr

14:30

I always make sure that my rug (carpet?) is in a perfect position lol

14:31

I don't think git is necessary for such a simple project

14:32

I guess using git is a good practice

14:32

Idk

14:35

Using git has also benefit of backing up the code to github

14:36

Or git lab

git is essential at this time

Even git uses git

your mom uses git

I want to add git

16:20

But it's just so annoying

16:21

I followed instructions from github and it doesn't work

16:21

Like what

16:25

Nvm it works now

16:31

I guess i can now add you as a contributor @Ryozuki

16:33

I mean collaborator

of what

16:42

for what

Minesweeper

we already have minesweeper

I don't care

pilonpl

Minesweeper

is it in rust? gigachad

C

rust programmers when they have to code instead of rustode (edited)

i use more ts than rust

16:50

sadly

Every programming language has its uses

16:51

js is...

16:51

ew

16:53

does any1 know how to change ninja skin on ddracenetwork ?

17:38

like from normal ninja, to like mouse or any skin.

replace x_ninja.png in %appdata%\teeworlds\skins

17:39

or create one with that name if you dont have 1

tysm

17:41

@bencie like this?

yes

kk

17:41

do i need a command?

17:41

like cl_show_ninja?

17:41

or smh

it needs to be on to show ninja skin

17:42

otherwise itll just be your tee skin

a

17:45

Well, i added the file, in my game still that same skin.

restart game

Nope, still aint working

where did you put that file

in the %appdata% as u told me

exactly where

bencie

replace x_ninja.png in %appdata%\teeworlds\skins

exactly there

17:47

smh

if your data folder is called ddnet, then you need to put it in %appdata%\ddnet

17:48

teeworlds for old players, ddnet for new

just normally in appdata\ddnet ye?

\skins

a

17:50

yep i di

17:50

d

17:52

i did put it in the skins

17:52

konsti ninja

nice

anyways, does anybody have custom guns sound? im searching for shotgun and granade B)

Specially for @Voxel

Yup

22:00

You can't stop ai

I wonder if ai could help me sleep

U AI guys will build dependency on somone elses products