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heinrich5991
encrypted and authenticated connection
Tater 2023-08-04 00:20:45Z
will this help with ddos?
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GitHub BOT 2023-08-04 00:51:05Z
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scar17off
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6964 Filter whitelist servers

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GitHub BOT 2023-08-04 04:30:16Z
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ddnet-maps
[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit
9b17d55 A run_Chaos_Aufnahmemap - ddnet-maps
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Tater
will this help with ddos?
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 06:03:58Z
In future it might help. It allows to use UDP with connections, so the filter can more easily know which traffic is legit. But apparently right now cloud flare has not done it yet
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 06:39:54Z
routing gaming traffic through bloatflare sounds like horrible ping to me
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 06:41:34Z
I guess they also offer protections for real time applications
06:41
Maybe not for free tho xd
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Ewan 2023-08-04 06:43:35Z
scorpion
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 06:44:08Z
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 06:45:20Z
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MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 07:44:54Z
yo, how can i transfrom &[u32] to &[u32; 256]? :D
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MilkeeyCat
yo, how can i transfrom &[u32] to &[u32; 256]? :D
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:54:06Z
With or without unsafe?
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MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 07:54:26Z
whats the easiest to understand? :D (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:54:44Z
I dunno if rust even allows such big arrays tbh xd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 07:54:59Z
rust pro does
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:55:17Z
Well if u don't care about perf. Create that array. Copy the slice over
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MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 07:55:39Z
heinrich did this but ive no clue how that works 😦
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Tater
will this help with ddos?
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 07:55:43Z
accounts. secrets not being transferred in plain text. chat not being transferred in plain text
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 07:55:46Z
hows ddnet2 going jopsti
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:56:12Z
I'm in holidays chiller, latest source is on github
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 07:56:20Z
where
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Tater
will this help with ddos?
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 07:56:21Z
reverse-proxying of servers no longer being useful for stealing player secrets
07:56
eh, wrong quote
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Tater
will this help with ddos?
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 07:56:56Z
would make me more comfortable routing traffic through third-parties, maybe we could try steam's offering then
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:57:01Z
https://github.com/Jupeyy/dd-pg/tree/test2
GitHub - Jupeyy/dd-pg at test2
don't use or read this code. Contribute to Jupeyy/dd-pg development by creating an account on GitHub.
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 07:57:09Z
where is the bus with the people that care
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xd jk
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i meant where you on holidays
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:57:21Z
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07:57
Somewhere in the Netherlands
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 07:57:43Z
blazingly netherlands
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MilkeeyCat
heinrich did this but ive no clue how that works 😦
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 07:58:13Z
you can use .try_into() these days, I think
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Jupstar ✪
Somewhere in the Netherlands
Learath2 2023-08-04 07:58:16Z
give coordinates
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 07:58:35Z
lerato you better be quiet you still owe us a selfie in your university
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Learath2
give coordinates
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:58:37Z
1.0, 2.0
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MilkeeyCat
yo, how can i transfrom &[u32] to &[u32; 256]? :D
Ryozuki 2023-08-04 07:58:58Z
try into
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iirc
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 07:59:05Z
too late :p
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Jupstar ✪
I dunno if rust even allows such big arrays tbh xd
Ryozuki 2023-08-04 07:59:23Z
rust allows big arrays, the limit is ur stack iirc
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Jupstar ✪
1.0, 2.0
Learath2 2023-08-04 07:59:34Z
That's off the coast of ghana, liar
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 07:59:43Z
trol
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MilkeeyCat
heinrich did this but ive no clue how that works 😦
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 07:59:49Z
let x: Result<[u32; 256], _> = slice.try_into();
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Ryozuki
rust allows big arrays, the limit is ur stack iirc
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 07:59:55Z
But the default initialization is limited isn't it
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Learath2
That's off the coast of ghana, liar
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:00:17Z
Ghana is Netherlands colony
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Jupstar ✪
But the default initialization is limited isn't it
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:00:19Z
only due to backcompat and due to missing specialization
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:00:22Z
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:00:24Z
i dont think so, i think the limit u talk about is initializing a big array in the heap cuz no placement new?
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ah idk
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i think with generics thats not a problem anymore
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idk
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const
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generics*
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Ghana is Netherlands colony
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:00:43Z
This troll
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:01:09Z
@MilkeeyCat good job starting friday rust
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Ryozuki
@MilkeeyCat good job starting friday rust
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:01:20Z
Oh true
08:01
He did my job
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:01:26Z
xd
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Ryozuki
i think with generics thats not a problem anymore
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:01:30Z
nah, due to backcompat it's a problem. you can only Default::default() arrays of up to size 32 currently
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Ryozuki
@MilkeeyCat good job starting friday rust
MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 08:01:43Z
in last few days ive learnt so much
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about bits, bytes, operations on them
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:02:00Z
Arrays of sizes from 0 to 32 (inclusive) implement the Default trait if the element type allows it. As a stopgap, trait implementations are statically generated up to size 32.
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Arrays of sizes from 1 to 12 (inclusive) implement From<Tuple>, where Tuple is a homogenous tuple of appropriate length.
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ur right
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but try_into works
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Jupstar ✪
Ghana is Netherlands colony
Learath2 2023-08-04 08:02:25Z
Ok, 600km off the coast of ghana ddnet meetup, lets go
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:02:33Z
Slices have a dynamic size and do not coerce to arrays. Instead, use slice.try_into().unwrap() or <ArrayType>::try_from(slice).unwrap().
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@MilkeeyCat https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.array.html
array - Rust
A fixed-size array, denoted [T; N], for the element type, T, and the non-negative compile-time constant size, N.
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all the info is here btw
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Learath2
Ok, 600km off the coast of ghana ddnet meetup, lets go
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:02:59Z
I think a ddnet meetup would end up in chaos
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:03:02Z
Array’s try_from(slice) implementations (and the corresponding slice.try_into() array implementations) succeed if the input slice length is the same as the result array length. They optimize especially well when the optimizer can easily determine the slice length, e.g. <[u8; 4]>::try_from(&slice[4..8]).unwrap().
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:03:03Z
C vs rust
08:03
Backcomp vs future humans
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:03:51Z
Since I hate irl conflict I'm very much a pushover irl, it'll be fine
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Jupstar ✪
Somewhere in the Netherlands
Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:03:56Z
this would have sounded better if u said the classic line "somewhere in nevada..."
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Ryozuki
Array’s try_from(slice) implementations (and the corresponding slice.try_into() array implementations) succeed if the input slice length is the same as the result array length. They optimize especially well when the optimizer can easily determine the slice length, e.g. <[u8; 4]>::try_from(&slice[4..8]).unwrap().
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:03:59Z
For collect I still have to use an arrayvec 🥹
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:04:04Z
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i watched to much madness combat
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Ryozuki
this would have sounded better if u said the classic line "somewhere in nevada..."
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:04:14Z
I mean Netherlands is small
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:04:52Z
@heinrich5991 do u think rust can achieve a non or semi cooperative preemptive scheduler like go?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:05:16Z
does go have a preemptive scheduler?
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:05:23Z
since 1.19 i think
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:05:26Z
link?
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tokio is just cooperative
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:05:35Z
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73915144/why-is-go-considered-partially-preemptive
Why is Go considered partially preemptive?
I am trying to get a better understanding of the definition preemptive and cooperative in the context of Go. Wiki states for preemptive multitasking In computing, preemption is the act of temporar...
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My answer is built on top of Andrew and Daniel's answers, and entirely based on this talk.
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Since go 1.14, the go scheduler is non-cooperative pre-emptive. Each go routine is pre-empted after a certain time slice. It's 10ms in go 1.19.1.
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In the talk I mentioned earlier, starting 20:35, you can find the history about how the scheduler used purely co-operative pre-emption in 1.0, then compiler baked in pre-emption with go 1.2, and finally the current nature - non-coperative pre-emption.
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i know tokio is cooperative, thats why i ask
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i think with a systems programming lang it might be hard
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MilkeeyCat
heinrich did this but ive no clue how that works 😦
Learath2 2023-08-04 08:06:41Z
What even is this btw? Why the double cast? Why to _
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Learath2
What even is this btw? Why the double cast? Why to _
MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 08:07:03Z
all questions to heinrich
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but it works :p
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:07:30Z
btw if u want to make a ptr without making a intermediate reference, https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/ptr/macro.addr_of.html is better
addr_of in std::ptr - Rust
Create a const raw pointer to a place, without creating an intermediate reference.
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Creating a reference with &/&mut is only allowed if the pointer is properly aligned and points to initialized data. For cases where those requirements do not hold, raw pointers should be used instead. However, &expr as *const _ creates a reference before casting it to a raw pointer, and that reference is subject to the same rules as all other references. This macro can create a raw pointer without creating a reference first.
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Learath2
What even is this btw? Why the double cast? Why to _
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:07:58Z
My guess Double cast bcs pointer of type, pointer of void
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:08:23Z
ye the double cast is common
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:08:25Z
_ BCS lazy
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:08:35Z
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50384395/why-does-casting-from-a-reference-to-a-c-void-pointer-require-a-double-cast
Why does casting from a reference to a c_void pointer require a dou...
When working with Foreign Function Interfaces (FFIs), I regularly see a double cast from reference-to-pointer-to-struct to pointer-to-pointer-to-void. For example, given an FFI-like function: uns...
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ok i think this is unrelated
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:09:19Z
The preview looks like what I meant
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:09:24Z
@MilkeeyCat but just use try_into
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:09:31Z
Why can't one go to void ptr directly I wonder
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Ryozuki
@MilkeeyCat but just use try_into
MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 08:09:31Z
i did
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:09:38Z
and its even better if u take a slice of ur slice
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with the length
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i think
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They optimize especially well when the optimizer can easily determine the slice length, e.g. <[u8; 4]>::try_from(&slice[4..8]).unwrap().
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but better check godbolt xd
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Learath2
Why can't one go to void ptr directly I wonder
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:10:41Z
Explicitness I guess xd
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MilkeeyCat
heinrich did this but ive no clue how that works 😦
Learath2 2023-08-04 08:11:05Z
Where is this from btw?
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Learath2
Where is this from btw?
MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 08:11:33Z
huffman coding in libtw2
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MilkeeyCat
heinrich did this but ive no clue how that works 😦
Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:11:56Z
i think first cast is from reference to pointer of typeof freq, then a cast to void
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Ryozuki
i think with a systems programming lang it might be hard
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:12:04Z
yes, it's not supported, it'd need compiler support
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:14:24Z
It's very meh that I can't read this piece of code without an IDE, type inference was a mistake pepeW
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 08:15:19Z
woah we got gui errors now? :D
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fancy
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Learath2
It's very meh that I can't read this piece of code without an IDE, type inference was a mistake pepeW
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:15:39Z
Then u'd also need to prefix all variables with type prefixes
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Learath2
It's very meh that I can't read this piece of code without an IDE, type inference was a mistake pepeW
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:15:49Z
https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/blob/2c77f799f0e40ff80c2580c6ff0ed8ad19041c4e/huffman/src/lib.rs#L209
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I'd say it's only missing experience
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:16:09Z
ChillerDragon fancy af isn't it?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 08:16:13Z
yes!
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very windows user friendly
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Jupstar ✪
Then u'd also need to prefix all variables with type prefixes
Learath2 2023-08-04 08:16:23Z
Their names? I don't mind the name not having the information as long as I can refer to the deifnition for the type
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 08:16:23Z
did you build that?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:16:39Z
the first cast can only be to the same type
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and the second one must be to the type expected in from_frequencies (edited)
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Learath2
Their names? I don't mind the name not having the information as long as I can refer to the deifnition for the type
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:17:25Z
Yeah but somewhere in the usage of the variable it would be clear what type it has
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heinrich5991
I'd say it's only missing experience
Learath2 2023-08-04 08:17:44Z
First cast is understandable, second cast is tougher, because there is a &* outside
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Learath2
First cast is understandable, second cast is tougher, because there is a &* outside
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:18:47Z
can only be the target type, otherwise type inference doesn't work
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i.e. *const [u32; 256]
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:19:26Z
I see
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:19:28Z
@heinrich5991 would u use try into nowadays
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in that code?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:19:34Z
obviously
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:19:40Z
was just curious
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xd
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:19:42Z
it does the same as .try_into().unwrap()
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:19:44Z
I'd still rather have my types explicit there
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:19:57Z
but back then, try_into() didn't exist
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:19:58Z
but I have an old spirit, don't mind me
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:20:12Z
@Learath2 the more u talk like this the more u seem like a old man nagging xd
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"i have an old spirit"
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:20:35Z
XDddd
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:20:36Z
oldchrono
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:20:36Z
Life has instantly added 30 years to my age
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feelsOldMan <- me
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:21:16Z
pepeW
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:21:22Z
Back when we only had registers we never encountered such array cast problems
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:21:26Z
true
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imagine having types
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:22:00Z
in C, you'd also just omit the check, probably
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:22:26Z
This entire function doesn't make much sense in C anyway
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No slices, it's all pointers
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:22:37Z
nicely placed asserts can make the optimizer improve perf right?
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i always forget to place asserts
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:22:55Z
always place assert!s about assumptions you make 😉
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:22:59Z
yeah
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:23:00Z
it's nice to find bugs
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:23:07Z
but i just dont have the habit
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i need to get that habit
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:23:19Z
If panic is your first instruction, then that improves performance
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:23:34Z
but a assert checking a array len
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:23:39Z
If you pipe all output into /dev/null it helps a lot with performance
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:23:41Z
allows the opt to make assumptions
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:24:06Z
Yep, is always the question how far the compiler does tho
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Learath2
If you pipe all output into /dev/null it helps a lot with performance
Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:24:07Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
gar1t
Episode 1 - Mongo DB Is Web Scale
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I've always admired the write performance of the /dev/null schema-less database, the read performance however is a little lacking, but this is offset by /dev/null's data compression ... totally unmatched! :)))))
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:25:22Z
Ryozukis holy grail
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This video
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:25:30Z
its just so funny
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and so meme
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Ryozuki
I've always admired the write performance of the /dev/null schema-less database, the read performance however is a little lacking, but this is offset by /dev/null's data compression ... totally unmatched! :)))))
Learath2 2023-08-04 08:25:42Z
You just need to read from it until enough bits are flipped by cosmic rays, it should only take about 2 heat deaths of the universe, it's acceptable read performance
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:25:44Z
why these characters talk about dev
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:29:02Z
ChillerDragon did u try to run it in release
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To enjoy the map loading perf
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That's the only selling point right now
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So I have to strongly highlight it
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Ryozuki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
Learath2 2023-08-04 08:30:52Z
I used mongodb for sth recently btw, it truly is web scale
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:31:00Z
And since variants are so nice in rust u get the network packets as structs
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Learath2 2023-08-04 08:31:02Z
you turn it on and it just scales, just like that
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 08:31:06Z
pepeW
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:31:10Z
Instead of getstring lmao
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 08:33:52Z
@scar17off did u forgot some files here?
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Or what black magic does this make work
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Jupstar ✪
@scar17off did u forgot some files here?
scar17off 2023-08-04 08:35:25Z
no
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or yes
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idk
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ok done
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Or what black magic does this make work
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 08:40:20Z
strstr(m_ppServerlist[i]->m_Info.m_aName, "whitelist")
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we use str_find btw @scar17off
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 09:10:07Z
@Jupstar ✪ i saw your marketing video nah i didnt look at your code yet or try to build it. If you need me to test something let me know. Otherwise i wait for it to be more mature.
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@Learath2 xD
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 09:11:15Z
That takes long time xd
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MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 09:13:49Z
@heinrich5991 thank you so much for libtw2, with help of ur code i did my little dum dum version of huffman code which can decompress messages and it seems to work 🥹
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@heinrich5991 thank you so much for libtw2, with help of ur code i did my little dum dum version of huffman code which can decompress messages and it seems to work 🥹
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 09:15:03Z
very cool 😮
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MilkeeyCat 2023-08-04 09:15:51Z
i skipped this part tho
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 09:16:57Z
I find it more useful if people link to github than post screenshots
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ah, you didn't implement the generation of the huffman tables?
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that's fine 🙂
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I also hardcode the tables for teeworlds
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 09:52:48Z
@heinrich5991 when merge #6876
09:52
omagawd netsplit moment chilerbot ded
09:53
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 09:54:02Z
@return 0 on success, negative on address error, positive on url error
09:54
that doesn't describe the return value very well
09:54
I know what you mean because I know the source
09:54
but if I didn't , I'd have no clue
09:55
mem_zero(addr, sizeof(NETADDR)); → mem_zero(addr, sizeof(*addr));
09:56
success is weirdly named, it's true if the call failed and false if it succeeded
09:56
maybe call it failure
09:56
looks good otherwise
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 10:02:49Z
how would you describe the return value
10:05
  • @return 0 on success, positive if the url format is wrong, negative if the address is not a valid ipv4 or ipv6
10:05
?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 10:11:40Z
0 on success, positive if the input wasn't a valid DDNet URL, negative if the input is a valid DDNet URL but the host part was not a valid IPv4/IPv6 address
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 10:29:59Z
halbe buch
10:30
but oki
10:31
so details im kinda curious if pasting that documentation comment into chatgpt would generate a C function with the same functionality
10:38
quakenet is falling apart
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 10:42:04Z
Rip cya in discord
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 10:51:06Z
axaxax
10:51
somehow my weechat still going strong but i can not join any bots anymore
10:51
seems like deen and heinrich also got thanos snapped
10:52
and even minus the truest irc of them all
10:55
i have the feeling github actions max pipeline runtime is 30 minutes which is too little to compile bloated ddnet++ its so annoying xd
10:56
>
10:56
Job execution time - Each job in a workflow can run for up to 6 hours of execution time. If a job reaches this limit, the job is terminated and fails to complete.
10:56
maybe not
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 11:28:29Z
!ping
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ChillerDragon
!ping
DDNet BOT 2023-08-04 11:28:29Z
Command not found!
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chillerbot BOT 2023-08-04 11:28:29Z
pong
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 11:28:38Z
pog quakent scaled back up
11:28
you turn it on
11:28
and it just scales up, like that
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 12:15:55Z
is the server browser rendering a insible version column? :D
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 12:28:09Z
Embedded image
12:28
check this out fellow 0.7 enjoyers
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Anime.pdf 2023-08-04 12:31:24Z
Version column is actually pretty funny, you can place any text in there troll
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 12:34:08Z
trololol
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 12:34:29Z
ChillerDragon do you talk to me, myself and I, when u say 0.7 enjoyers?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 12:57:09Z
axaxax
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 13:05:30Z
jopstinger checkout this trol code
13:05
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/ea7e8faa8e8278145808b6d3f7ed416ff8715913/src/game/client/components/menus_browser.cpp#L374-L378
ddnet/src/game/client/components/menus_browser.cpp at ea7e8faa8e827...
DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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it adds a version lable to the server list
13:05
but this code never runs
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 13:25:12Z
Yeah very troll that u bought it back to life xd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 13:51:20Z
im quality medic reviving dead code
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 14:25:11Z
ChillerDragon oh no so many IRC discord bugs. I guess u have to fix all before working on useless ddnet again
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ӎěłŏƞ 2023-08-04 14:25:33Z
how "un"fortunate
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 14:35:57Z
hrhrhr
14:36
im kinda blocked to work on irc discord because i can for the life of it not connect to irc from my vps using nodejs
14:36
works locally or with the vps using weechat
14:37
i get no error and it just does not connect so idk wat to do. Probably henrich lifebanned bridge name because he is true 0.7 enjoyer
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 16:44:16Z
https://github.com/Teelevision/TeeCaptcha can captcha protect us from ddos?
GitHub - Teelevision/TeeCaptcha: Teeworlds Captchas
Teeworlds Captchas. Contribute to Teelevision/TeeCaptcha development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:01:03Z
No
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:01:13Z
real OGs use my teecaptcha btw
17:01
https://github.com/TeeCaptcha/tee-captcha
GitHub - TeeCaptcha/tee-captcha: A simple web captcha to filter rob...
A simple web captcha to filter robots using no client side javascript - GitHub - TeeCaptcha/tee-captcha: A simple web captcha to filter robots using no client side javascript
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has better marketing with image in readme
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:01:53Z
Yes
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 17:02:54Z
ChillerDragon
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:02:58Z
ryo
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 17:03:02Z
do u know timakro captcha
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:03:07Z
no
17:03
is it cool?
17:03
is it teeish?
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is it on trashmap?
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 17:03:54Z
wait i forgot
17:04
https://github.com/timakro/captcha-code-js
GitHub - timakro/captcha-code-js: Generate captchas that require th...
Generate captchas that require the user to fix javascript syntax errors - GitHub - timakro/captcha-code-js: Generate captchas that require the user to fix javascript syntax errors
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its funny
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:04:37Z
oh that ye
17:04
remeber it
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:06:10Z
Yes
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 17:06:31Z
😬
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:06:37Z
jopsti became random boolean generator
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:06:43Z
No
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:06:46Z
xd
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 17:06:53Z
NaN
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:07:10Z
ChillerDragon when do u open first class streaming platform?
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 17:07:13Z
why does float need nan?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:07:22Z
whats first class supposed to mean
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:07:27Z
BCS devs are bad
17:07
Zero lag, zero ping, zero accounts
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:07:53Z
zero accounts twitch alternative? xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:08:01Z
Yes
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:08:05Z
have you tried irc?
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:08:25Z
For streaming? Sounds like a very good idea
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:08:30Z
i know thanks
17:08
twitch also uses it
17:08
must be good
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:08:50Z
True
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False
17:09
😬
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:09:12Z
omg
17:09
lawayer jopsti
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i got removed from ddnet++ credits
17:09
what are my rights?
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:10:23Z
Who removed you
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:10:38Z
the russians!
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:10:51Z
Then simply add it back
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:11:20Z
They host their own russian ddnet++ fork which i have no access to .-.
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i need to start a legal battle
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:11:43Z
Would be funny
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:11:54Z
xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:12:01Z
Would be cool if it works out
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:12:18Z
dont think my license covers it
17:12
they would rape me in court
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:13:26Z
You could write a letter to putin
17:13
I bet he cares and has time for you
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:13:45Z
you do pro bono right?
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:13:56Z
Wat
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:14:05Z
free and open source lawyer jospti and partners
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:14:26Z
Yeah ofc
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ChillerDragon
https://github.com/TeeCaptcha/tee-captcha
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:17:24Z
sorry, i think its made by chillerdragon, i dont wanna touch that
17:17
may be we should make a whitelist only servers?
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you just tell admins ur ip and u can join
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:18:10Z
Destroyed
17:18
@Smetanolub if you don't want your server to be ddosed don't register it in master server
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:20:36Z
fak bad chiler brand?
17:20
i need to hire new marketing manager
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:20:45Z
i dont want to die when i almost beat r1 on solo cuz ddnet is almost always have packetloss, and if not its under ddos
17:21
even when its perfectly fine ping just jumps, its not stable (edited)
17:21
captcha is at least something we can do
17:21
like for ger10 u join site, why not put captcha there?
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some google shit idc
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:22:31Z
Bro, it won't do anything xd
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:23:11Z
yeah... then what will do? account system? my own ddnet verified lan server?
17:23
we doesnt have that
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:23:19Z
Is ger10 also unstable for you?
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:23:22Z
yes
17:23
and its even worse than rus and ger2
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:23:43Z
I think they are the only servers with custom ddos filter
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:23:44Z
on ger10 packetloss is 25-50% almost always
17:23
ger2 is around 10% and not always
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yeah... then what will do? account system? my own ddnet verified lan server?
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:23:59Z
Account system won't help
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:24:02Z
rus is without it but still not stable
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:24:11Z
Reverse proxies might help a bit
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Jupstar ✪
Account system won't help
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:24:25Z
nothing will help, cuz guy sold his parents car and house to spent it on ddos
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:24:35Z
Or if cloud flare adds quic protection some day, that will help
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:24:43Z
allow me to fucking start a lan offline server which counts ranks
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Smetanolub
nothing will help, cuz guy sold his parents car and house to spent it on ddos
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:24:52Z
Sad but true xd
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:24:58Z
for at least solo and dummy maps
17:25
dont even tell me you cant do that cuz cant protect it from cheats
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:25:53Z
We could theoretically allow uploading inputs of a run to verify a rank.. but it's a hard topic really
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:26:00Z
all cheats existing rn works oflline and online perfectly even with ddnet lags
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:26:02Z
Will it increase cheating etc
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:26:25Z
can you increase it higher?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:26:29Z
yes lets rebrand lag as anti cheat
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:26:35Z
everyone exept old players use cheats rn
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:26:37Z
high ping makes replay bot harder
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:26:41Z
almost all new players use cheat clients
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:26:53Z
almost all new players use cheat clients
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ChillerDragon
high ping makes replay bot harder
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:26:56Z
bro im from rus ddnet communiity
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:26:56Z
WATF
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:27:12Z
i know who bots, when, with what client
17:27
and i wont tell you
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:27:36Z
Good idea xd
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:27:37Z
i think its GOOD to cheat ingame where others cheaters exist but no anticheat
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:27:46Z
Wtf
17:28
Ok enough internet for the moment
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:28:04Z
teehistorian really? to bypass it they use 90 degrees bind so it wont teleport
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oh crosshair teleport for aimbot? they dont use it, cuz triggerhook exists
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:28:55Z
xd
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Jupstar ✪
Wtf
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:28:57Z
if you both have cheats and competit, its ok
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Smetanolub
i think its GOOD to cheat ingame where others cheaters exist but no anticheat
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:29:35Z
no advocating cheats please
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:30:11Z
idk about ger much, but many rus players that come after game came to steam use cheats, cuz they join block gamemode, and ppl there just sell cheats
17:30
like mur and others
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no advocating cheats please
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:30:26Z
i dont
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:30:52Z
i think its GOOD to cheat if […]
yes, you did
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:31:06Z
i just play it to competition, and if the guy which i play uses it-i will use it too
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:31:14Z
no, stop it
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:31:16Z
@Smetanolub please tell @Learath2 about your idea on how to fix ddos its really good captchas and so on maybe he did not think of it yet
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:31:17Z
if you can catch me-do it i will take punishment
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:31:29Z
cheating is not okay. it's just like blocking
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@Smetanolub please tell @Learath2 about your idea on how to fix ddos its really good captchas and so on maybe he did not think of it yet
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:31:45Z
i think there are captchas like google captcha, why cant we use it?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:31:54Z
because adding a captcha doesn't help
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:32:00Z
even if google wont share it, there are many others who did their own captcha
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:32:01Z
ask @Learath2 he likes discussing that
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:32:04Z
but it does hurt, people will need to solve captchas
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heinrich5991
because adding a captcha doesn't help
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:32:18Z
lets think about it
17:32
how to bypass captcha?
17:32
dont make it ingame in chat obviously at least
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:32:53Z
attacks against game servers work by sending packets to the game server's IP address
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:33:05Z
lets make servers where only admin can whitlist ppl they know
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:33:13Z
if you only show the IP address after a captcha, the attacker will solve the captcha and then attack the game server
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:33:17Z
learath did it in the past and it did work
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:33:18Z
you haven't gained anything
17:33
can we discuss the captcha to the end first?
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:33:48Z
you said why captcha doesnt help, why argue? you know better, im not a dev
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:34:09Z
okay, next idea: private servers
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:34:11Z
captcha is just one of many thing we could think of
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:34:29Z
I don't like them. it favors established players
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:34:35Z
yea
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and its good
17:34
if you allow 3pts player join insane map, something is wrong bro
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:35:16Z
I wouldn't want to equate points to skill
17:35
very roughly maybe, but points are mostly about how much time you spent finishing ddnet maps
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:35:42Z
you know that i talk not about pts, but about that player is new to game and he didnt even play yet
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:35:58Z
no, it seemed to me like you talk about points. okay, let's say a new player
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I think a new player has every right to join a game server with a map that the new player can't finish
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:36:50Z
why
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:37:16Z
because they want to see people play, for example
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:37:26Z
you can just add them to pause
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:38:03Z
who would decide who to whitelist? if it's "Learath2", then we either get an overworked Learath2 or many players who can't join
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:38:04Z
and add ddos to pause too
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Smetanolub
almost all new players use cheat clients
cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:38:05Z
uhhuh
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:38:25Z
by what criterion would we allow people to play on whitelisted servers?
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cyberFighter
uhhuh
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:38:34Z
Myr. is guy selling cheats
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by what criterion would we allow people to play on whitelisted servers?
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:39:27Z
how long they play
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lets say if guy plays 5 years, he can play something hard?
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points
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recomendations from old players
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you decide, you the one who will develop it
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:40:31Z
well, if I decide then it's: we don't do it. I think favoring old players over old ones is bad (edited)
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:40:46Z
pepeW
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:40:52Z
?
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:40:55Z
okay lets play under ddos then
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Skystrife 2023-08-04 17:41:13Z
Just make accounts 🙂
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:41:16Z
its sad that i need to beg you to think about it
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Skystrife
Just make accounts 🙂
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:41:30Z
how does it protect from ddos????
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:41:31Z
You send captcha to indian captcha farm, they solve it
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Smetanolub
its sad that i need to beg you to think about it
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:42:00Z
How will captchas solve ddos anyway? You need to solve captcha to get whitelisted?
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Smetanolub
how does it protect from ddos????
Skystrife 2023-08-04 17:42:04Z
Can only join server if you have verified account
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Learath2
You send captcha to indian captcha farm, they solve it
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:42:09Z
captcha is a crude idea that came to me when i thought about the question 0 seconds
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if you said it wont work-dont argue it again
17:42
i just ask you to do at least something, i cant play without lags nowadays
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:42:52Z
ok cope with it
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Smetanolub
if you said it wont work-dont argue it again
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:43:00Z
I'm just curious what you were thinking, no need to get heated
17:43
If it's a captcha to get whitelisted thing, it's not much better than our ger10 solution. Instead of a captcha we rely on a tcp handshake there
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:43:41Z
work is underway on protection against ddos? on anti-cheat? that's all i need
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Smetanolub
work is underway on protection against ddos? on anti-cheat? that's all i need
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:44:00Z
accounts would probably help with anticheat a little
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:44:08Z
@Learath2 when we did play bit3 on ur server, noone had lags
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:44:15Z
@konsti
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oops
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:44:40Z
for anticheat i think we must first make game closed source
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:44:40Z
xd
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Smetanolub
work is underway on protection against ddos? on anti-cheat? that's all i need
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:44:42Z
if I ever finish the QUIC stuff, I might take a look at steam's reverse proxy services. that could help with DoS
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for anticheat i think we must first make game closed source
cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:44:50Z
fuck no
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:44:52Z
or at least, not putting source of teehistorian on internet
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Smetanolub
for anticheat i think we must first make game closed source
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:45:05Z
that's about as helpful as adding a captcha
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Smetanolub
work is underway on protection against ddos? on anti-cheat? that's all i need
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:45:07Z
@noby is the anticheat department. Anti-ddos we tried lots of things, ger10 is kinda the last iteration of it. I don't think we have any other ideas to try, optimizing that with @Davide can help, and there is the many reverse proxies idea we have but there is lots to be thought about
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or at least, not putting source of teehistorian on internet
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:45:32Z
teehistorian is just about storing information that players send to the servers. making it closed source does not improve any security
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:45:39Z
since game is open source, and "anticheat" too, its impossible to catch someone who thinks a bit
17:45
at least on noby server anticheat is without source for people
17:46
so people dont use aimbot, only zoom and aimlines
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at least on noby server anticheat is without source for people
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:46:11Z
We use the same anticheat as noby, the source is hidden for us too
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Smetanolub
at least on noby server anticheat is without source for people
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:46:12Z
that works because it's server-side. not because it's closed source
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Smetanolub
since game is open source, and "anticheat" too, its impossible to catch someone who thinks a bit
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:46:41Z
CSGO also has cheaters, and now?
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 17:46:42Z
but there are no aimbots at least
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:46:56Z
csgo has no aimbots?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:47:00Z
@Smetanolub sorry, but admitting to cheating is too much. timed out
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:47:11Z
Rip
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:47:16Z
censor5991
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:47:17Z
ChillerDragon you read out of context
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:47:17Z
LOL
17:47
smartest russian alive
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troll
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:47:42Z
omagawd jopsti is it me braincells or is it discord replies?
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:47:50Z
Reply
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:47:59Z
henirch stop ban russian start ban reply
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:48:03Z
Tfw heinrich radicalised Smetanolub, now he'll go back to spamming the servers instead of giving helpful antiddos tips
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:48:10Z
yes
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:48:13Z
@Voxel hi
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:48:22Z
engage in conversation
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Learath2
Tfw heinrich radicalised Smetanolub, now he'll go back to spamming the servers instead of giving helpful antiddos tips
cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:48:30Z
wow that was helpful
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:48:45Z
instead of encouraging cheating by exlcuding him
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 17:48:48Z
whats next? taking the servers and pushing them somewhere else?
17:49
maybe it will stop the ddos
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:49:14Z
lerato got it
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:49:16Z
If you start servers on the Mars
17:49
Why not
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:49:36Z
just run ddnet servers on apple hardware
17:49
they patched ddos on the silicon
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:49:48Z
Though in all seriousness I think our very best bet is the many reverse proxies approach. We need lots of cheap proxy servers that we don't advertise the ips of but give out through one announceserver
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:49:48Z
using room temperature
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:49:53Z
Xd
17:50
That is important
17:50
It works on room temperature
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:50:36Z
@Learath2 Though in all seriousness it would be cooler to use selfhosted proxies using heinrichs closed proxy support pr instead of relying on corpo steam
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:50:44Z
And some steam reverse proxies, steam ones probably will never die because valve stronk. So atleast steam players can have mostly a decent experience
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Learath2
Though in all seriousness I think our very best bet is the many reverse proxies approach. We need lots of cheap proxy servers that we don't advertise the ips of but give out through one announceserver
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:50:47Z
Yep, with accounts this could™️ be managable
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@Learath2 Though in all seriousness it would be cooler to use selfhosted proxies using heinrichs closed proxy support pr instead of relying on corpo steam
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:51:00Z
Yeah lots of open ones we host + some steam ones
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Learath2
And some steam reverse proxies, steam ones probably will never die because valve stronk. So atleast steam players can have mostly a decent experience
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:51:04Z
and thus everyone, because people won't DoS our own reverse proxies
17:51
because it hits almost no one
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heinrich5991
because it hits almost no one
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:51:34Z
You underestimate the brain damage some of these individuals suffer from
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:51:41Z
rude
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Learath2
You underestimate the brain damage some of these individuals suffer from
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:51:58Z
it's simple. people do it for impact. if it does no impact, then they won't do it
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:52:00Z
Learath is my hero
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ChillerDragon
rude
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:52:16Z
Sorry, s/brain damage/special behaviour/
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:52:16Z
see e.g. our old masterservers
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people don't DoS them anymore
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because it's no use
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:52:29Z
dodged a bullet there lerato
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if you rude against ddosers again i timeout you lerato
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:52:46Z
Xdd
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Ok time for beach ⛱️
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heinrich5991
it's simple. people do it for impact. if it does no impact, then they won't do it
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:53:05Z
But the reverse proxies will mostly be cheap servers, if we dont have enough of them they might collect the ips and have enough bw to dos them all
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:53:28Z
just put a captcha in front of the ips
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:53:39Z
?!?
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I thought we were through with the captcha idea
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Learath2
But the reverse proxies will mostly be cheap servers, if we dont have enough of them they might collect the ips and have enough bw to dos them all
Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:53:46Z
Some hosters allow buying servers for any time u want xd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:53:46Z
ok sorry i stop i must me so annoying xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 17:54:06Z
Heinrich dies internally
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:54:12Z
anyway. I should continue on the quic stuff
17:54
still so much to do
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:54:31Z
Accounts will/can serve as some form of captcha anyway, dw about the captcha
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Some hosters allow buying servers for any time u want xd
Learath2 2023-08-04 17:55:28Z
DigitalOcean gave me the same ip when I reimaged a new server, so rerolling ips isn't trivial on most hosters, and might even be considered abuse :/
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:55:52Z
Wait so if i rent a server cancle it and buy a new i get the same ip!
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:56:15Z
aws could probably give you a bunch of IP addresses
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:56:17Z
i totally did not expect that but i guess it makes sense they also dont want you to use their service to burn all their ips
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 17:56:21Z
but expensive traffic
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:56:42Z
im sure that under a certain treshhold aws is free
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:56:48Z
You can spin up a new one before spinning down the old one for a new ip, but it's a little annoying to manage
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:57:10Z
how many ips are you even aiming for?
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@Voxel hi
Voxel 2023-08-04 17:57:39Z
nohello
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:57:40Z
I'd aim for less than 10 players per proxy if possible
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:57:46Z
woah
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Learath2 2023-08-04 17:57:54Z
But that might be cost prohibitive 😭
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 17:58:51Z
what about ipv6 arent those basically free?
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or do we need the actual machine under it as well?
17:59
i didnt fully get the idea
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can someone draw me a cool diagram how proxies solve ddos? :D
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:00:12Z
everyone gets their own "server"
18:00
but all the servers are just reverse proxies for the actual game server
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you can DoS your own server if you want
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:00:32Z
okay
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:00:34Z
but that just hits you
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:00:46Z
but isnt the proxie redirecting the traffic?
18:00
so also the dos packets?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:01:15Z
the volumetric DoS traffic isn't teeworlds traffic
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nohello
cyberFighter 2023-08-04 18:01:22Z
wow ok
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:01:30Z
so the reverse proxy would just drop it
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:01:44Z
so the reverse proxy implements the tw protocol?
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heinrich5991
everyone gets their own "server"
Learath2 2023-08-04 18:01:46Z
Wouldn't that be WAY too expensive?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:01:57Z
I was trying to get the idea across
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not give an implementation
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what about ipv6 arent those basically free?
Learath2 2023-08-04 18:03:15Z
You get lots of ipv6 per server, but those are routed per subnet, so we cant increase the amount of traffic we can process like that
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:03:58Z
its network bandwith what is the limit not the cpu of the host?
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Learath2 2023-08-04 18:04:25Z
Both, for our cheaper servers its cpu, for our more expensive servers its usually bandwidth
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:04:43Z
i still did not get how the proxy would filter out bad backets
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:04:59Z
the easiest attacks are the volumetric attacks
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where our servers are hit with reflected DNS traffic e.g.
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:05:15Z
a
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so the attacker can not make those send valid tw udp packets
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:05:27Z
the reverse proxies wouldn't forward these
18:05
yes
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:05:34Z
i see
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i assumed the attacker has full control over the payload
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:05:50Z
additionally, we can just drop the player if they send too much traffic
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:05:56Z
true
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Learath2 2023-08-04 18:05:57Z
And if it is valid tw traffic we still dont have to proxy as is. Nothing stops us from filtering on those too
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:06:13Z
so how complex would the proxy be?
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how much of the protocol would it implement?
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does it keep state of in game stuff?
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Learath2 2023-08-04 18:06:31Z
We can only allow whitelisted people to join the proxies in the first place, heavily filtering the amount of traffic from the hosters upstream firewall
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:06:33Z
a little as possible
18:06
no
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:07:02Z
yea sounds good
18:07
wouldnt need quic tho would it?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:07:43Z
someone else can work on proxy stuff
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Learath2 2023-08-04 18:07:44Z
It doesn't but I guess it might be a nice time to do the protocol change too
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:07:47Z
I'm doing quic first
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:08:07Z
lets also drop 0.6 while at it :P
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:08:46Z
no
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:08:50Z
sadge
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soon we have 4 competing standards
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gotta love it
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split the 1000 player base in chunks of 250
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:10:01Z
we only split it if we drop 0.6
18:10
not if we continue supporting both
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:10:09Z
one part playing 0.6 the other playing 0.7 the other playing quic and the last playing ddnet2
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:10:29Z
tbf there's not a lot of players on 0.7
18:10
on pure 0.7
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:10:36Z
guess why
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:10:44Z
because of the compatibility break to 0.6
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:10:51Z
because ddnet held it back with its market share
18:10
and dried out ctf
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:11:24Z
I think you're assigning blame to the wrong thing
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0.7 changed the network protocol
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not ddnet
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:11:58Z
cant blame vanilla to update the protocol every 10 years can you
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:12:14Z
they could have done it in a backward compatible fashion
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:12:25Z
agreed
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:12:30Z
and that's the issue
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you however seem to advocate breaking compatibility
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when it is the thing that caused 0.7's death (edited)
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:13:04Z
im trying to fix the incompability issue
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by enforcing one united standard again
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:13:27Z
great. make that quic
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:13:43Z
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:13:46Z
there's no point of changing to the 0.7 protocol
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:13:48Z
will you implement quic for upstream?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:13:56Z
it's not better than 0.6+ddnet extensions
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probably not. because development died
18:14
I'll provide a library that you can use to implement support for it in teeworlds 0.7
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:15:01Z
then quic will not be the united standard
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:15:21Z
because you don't implement it for teeworlds 0.7, yes (edited)
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:15:35Z
so i should do it? xd
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:15:41Z
you can do it if you want
18:15
I won't stop you
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the library will probably make it somewhat easy
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:15:57Z
bro it took me 2 years to get a half ass connection of ddnet client to 0.7 servers xd
18:16
how even does the quic stuff work?
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does it unpack to the same traffic?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:16:45Z
it's an actual standard 😉
18:16
yes
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that's the plan
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:16:54Z
so its quic + 0.6
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so adding quic to upstream would still be incompatible
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:18:08Z
it seems you want to achieve an impossible thing
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:18:29Z
yea i want vanilla and ddnet to be compatible again
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:18:44Z
you want ddnet clients to be able to connect to 0.7 servers?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:18:55Z
yes
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:19:22Z
that's an interesting extension and I'd be okay with that
18:19
however, ddnet will not change to a worse protocol for it (edited)
18:21
to me it'd be okay if the ddnet client also supported the 0.7 protocol
18:21
but that will not make ddnet speak the 0.7 protocol to ddnet servers. because that's just worse than our own protocol
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:21:47Z
how is it worse?
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:22:05Z
it doesn't support encryption, authentication, and is not standard
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:22:16Z
so our already refers to quic
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:22:30Z
well, the 0.7 protocol is also not better than 0.6+ddnet extensions (edited)
18:22
hmm
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:22:41Z
why not
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:22:41Z
not a lot ^^
18:22
why is it?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:22:51Z
well okay not better maybe
18:22
but not worse
18:22
i would say
18:23
imo replacing 0.6+ddnet with 0.7+ddnet is totally fine
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:23:18Z
Image attachment
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:23:18Z
doesn't help though
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:23:19Z
plus the benefit of native upstream compat
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:23:28Z
it doesn't provide a lot of benefits
18:23
and mostly downsides
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:23:42Z
agreed actually
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:23:50Z
we probably have more players on old ddnet versions than players on 0.7
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:24:03Z
sounds true
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thing is i do not see teeworlds downgrading to 0.6
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:25:16Z
u dont see tw moving at all
18:25
its ded
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(disclaimer: this is not a attack to any project)
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:25:41Z
xd
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:25:51Z
xd
18:26
it would be fun to see a well structured tw, without any backcompat stuff, just a blank start
18:26
using the knowledge from current tw
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:26:53Z
ddnet2
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:27:03Z
even ddnet2 would have legacy code
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:27:20Z
jopsti is not adding back compat is he?
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:27:31Z
but u need to keep physics bugs
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ok thats backcompat
18:27
nvm
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:27:40Z
there are no bugs
18:27
just features
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:27:54Z
iirc the sg bug is UB
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:28:05Z
then make it non UB
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heinrich5991 2023-08-04 18:28:30Z
I think someone made it non-UB already
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:28:36Z
ez
18:28
ddnet without sg bug would be worse change my mind
18:29
@Ryozuki lets also patch the wallhammer :p
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:29:39Z
lets patch chillerbot
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:29:46Z
._.
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 18:30:01Z
true
18:30
lets patch 4 dummies
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Voxel 2023-08-04 18:30:09Z
i want ddnet 2.0 to be so complex with with its graphics youd need an nvidea to play it properly (joke)
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 18:30:11Z
gigachad
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:30:25Z
if you cant run ddnet2 buy new pc
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i want ddnet 2.0 to be so complex with with its graphics youd need an nvidea to play it properly (joke)
cyberFighter 2023-08-04 18:30:29Z
jesus christ no thanks
18:31
how do you get the elasticity tunes btw
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:31:45Z
i cant wait for new annoying vasten100 tune maps
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 18:32:03Z
vasten100 legend
18:32
up n down
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:32:28Z
if i say my true opinion about vasten and up n down
18:32
heirnich would even open irc to ban me out of existance
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heinrich5991 BOT 2023-08-04 18:33:11Z
I'm ready
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:33:15Z
ou shit
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cyberFighter 2023-08-04 18:33:42Z
bossfight
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:33:49Z
while i disagree with vasten100s style of mapping i have to say he is a totally fine individual
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Voxel 2023-08-04 18:35:07Z
nice save
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:38:38Z
i wish heinrich and lerato would change roles
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lerato being in charge or code and chat moderation
18:39
would allow using bad word usage
18:39
and goto statements in ddnet codebase
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Voxel 2023-08-04 18:46:19Z
i cant wait until i get the time to code all my dreams
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:47:27Z
Voxel you hittin da c++ books currently?
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@Voxel why wait arent you ddnet pro contributer already?
18:48
#6841
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chillerbot BOT 2023-08-04 18:48:52Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6841
Send KillMsg for started + unlocked teams by VoxelDoesCode · Pull R...
Fixes #6838 Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options Written a unit test (especially b...
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Voxel 2023-08-04 18:48:56Z
no because i have other things to focus on first
18:49
that update was so buggy LOL
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:49:54Z
xd
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Voxel 2023-08-04 18:50:22Z
idk what else i could do that other ppl arent doing
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:50:47Z
you got 498 open issues to choose from
18:51
#6963
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chillerbot BOT 2023-08-04 18:51:17Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6963
Chat bar ban · Issue #6963 · ddnet/ddnet
If the player frequently hits a space in the chat bar and sends it out after a while, he will be banned 如果玩家在聊天栏频繁的打一个空格发送出去过一会会被禁言
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 18:51:25Z
for example china banning the space key
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xd
18:52
no but srsly what about this one @Voxel #5781
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chillerbot BOT 2023-08-04 18:52:33Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5781
afk emote isn't rendering for timeouted tees · Issue #5781 · ddnet/...
Found and bisected by nori to b99d8dc
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Ryozuki 2023-08-04 19:04:03Z
https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.01516
Successful growth and room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic le...
Recently, Sukbae Lee et al. reported inspiring experimental findings on the atmospheric superconductivity of a modified lead apatite crystal (LK-99) at room temperature (10.6111/JKCGCT.2023.33.2.061, arXiv: 2307.12008, arXiv: 2307.12037). They claimed that the synthesized LK-99 materials exhibit the Meissner levitation phenomenon of superconduct...
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36994214
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Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99
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@heinrich5991 @Jupstar ✪
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xd
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someone asked me before but i forgot
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https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1687405505604734978
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Andrew McCalip (@andrewmccalip)
Meissner effect or bust: Day 8.5 We made the rocks
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ScReeNy 2023-08-04 19:06:15Z
damn
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Voxel 2023-08-04 19:07:27Z
ew bold font on twitter
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disregarded
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 19:09:47Z
floaty rock
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Smetanolub 2023-08-04 19:27:50Z
@Learath2 i think we need you as a moderator
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjnQFkz50oU cuz some moderators act like this
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Batman Becomes a Discord Mod
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-08-04 19:34:17Z
xd
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Learath2 2023-08-04 19:36:40Z
If only I had the time
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ӎěłŏƞ 2023-08-04 19:40:59Z
that video is just asesome
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Learath2
If only I had the time
Smetanolub 2023-08-04 20:07:29Z
you wont have time even if you will be 24/7 free, only bad moderator wants to be moderator
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i think we should make a ./report command, so ppl dont need to text server,ingame name, ip, blocker name in discord
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i think we should make a ./report command, so ppl dont need to text server,ingame name, ip, blocker name in discord
heinrich5991 2023-08-04 20:15:03Z
we can probably reintroduce that command once we have a notion of accounts
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previously, it was abused pretty hard
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GitHub BOT 2023-08-04 21:39:01Z
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-08-04 21:48:21Z
Thanks for news. Always interesting
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