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Between 2023-07-25 00:00:00Z and 2023-07-26 00:00:00Z
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Broso56
then why did he say it was luck for ages kek
Because he literally didn't know he had a mod installed?
02:25
It is actually believable
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louis
he fakes his manhunts too but i agree some of the hate is unwarranted
I wouldn't say he faked his manhunts
02:29
They probably weren't spliced or anything like that
02:31
And he definitely did multiple attempts because a video where he dies after 2 minutes wouldn't be very fun to watch i guess
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Bruh even i watched that, and its way too cinematic
07:50
Also its same guy that intentionally used a clickbait to boost his "career" if that wasnt planned then idk what is
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pilonpl
But it wasn't intentional
cheating cant not be intentional
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pilonpl
Because it's very easy to not notice that you have a mod installed
yes we are 5y old naives
08:22
I recently let my brother play this amazing game. But when I got home my account had been banned until February 21st. My brother said he didn't know why this happened. Until I found out he started blocking people on multeasymap. I'm sorry for what happened, but please release my account again. I really like this game, and I didn't want to be without playing it for so long. I promise this will never happen again
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Ryozuki
cheating cant not be intentional
i mean it CAN be, but extremely rarely
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a mod modifying the odds is quite specific
08:22
trust me
08:23
(if u guys are talking about the speedrun incident)
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only situation i can think of is trackmania for example, maybe making a TAS with cheat engine and then leaving it open, but if anthing that would just make it look like they're cheating, but maybe it has no effect
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Ryozuki
a mod modifying the odds is quite specific
oh for sure, i still think he cheated
08:23
im just more talking in general but 99.9% of the time its not on accident (edited)
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I will never understand speedrunners dedication
09:10
And even more so people cheating speedruns
09:11
Small community like 10 people ever speedrunning some old ass NES game
09:11
And even then 2 out of 10 cheat
09:11
In popular games its atleast understandable
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I think most cheaters do it because they think they could do it but just dont want to try 50hours.
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Ryozuki
a mod modifying the odds is quite specific
He used it for his videos which is extremely believable
09:42
I would want to fake a speedrun just to see if i could make it undetectable
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i meant as in the mod is quite specific to "forget you had it there"
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Well maybe
09:50
I still think he didn't cheat intentionally
09:50
That would mean he faked all his reactions
09:51
He also made a whole video explaining why he is innocent
09:51
Not a typical thing you would do if you knew you were cheating
09:52
He definitely could've handled the situation better
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pilonpl
Not a typical thing you would do if you knew you were cheating
literally every cheater tries to defend themselves, until they get proven to be a cheater and they either fade out of existence or try to hide it and continue on
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Dream probably isn't dumb
10:01
He probably knows it's impossible to hide this specific way of cheating
10:01
It is a very weird way of cheating actually
10:03
Also he was trying to defend himself after getting caught which doesn't make any sense
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cheaters do that very often
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Well idk
10:08
For me all dreams decisions looked like he genuinely didn't know he was cheating
10:09
Also it's quite funny how you can have multiple profiles with individual mods folder even wehn you are using the official launcher
10:09
That was the most sus part for me
10:09
It seems like someone who knows how to write plugins would know about this feature (edited)
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ScReeNy
I think most cheaters do it because they think they could do it but just dont want to try 50hours.
thats what a cheater would say
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I thought karl jobst is big enough to randomly appear for people interested in speedrunning
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Iza
thats what a cheater would say
kinda:D but its actually what many caught cheaters claim (edited)
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@pilonpl actors faking reactions for a movie sometimes are extremely realistic too, ever hated a character in a show?
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ScReeNy
kinda:D but its actually what many caught cheaters claim (edited)
i find that reason more stupid than saying "yeah i did it for the fun and recognition"
10:21
why not just try it for the said "50 hours" and get a real rank and then be recognized by the community
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Iza
i find that reason more stupid than saying "yeah i did it for the fun and recognition"
dont wanna justify any cheating, its just what i believe is rly common
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I like when any% speedrunners argue that some glitches are more like cheats and they shouldnt be allowed
10:22
Also i am pro cheating as long as its not for competition
10:22
And its not mindless thing like speedhack+aimbot so U get spawnkilled
10:27
Either way back to that dream guy, i would say he should just stick to making what sells, but looking at pilon i dont think it affected his following, maybe even grew who knows
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Iza
why not just try it for the said "50 hours" and get a real rank and then be recognized by the community
its true though, a lot of cheaters just simply dont want to put in the effort
10:46
it may not be 50 hours, it could be hundreds or even thousands of hours of grinding
10:47
+ they are already recognized and respected
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no caught cheater is ever fully respected
10:51
they will always carry the "cheater" title
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yea, just prior to them being caught
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Also they often help find cheaters because they know what ti look for :-)
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Overlord
Also they often help find cheaters because they know what ti look for :-)
apparently some cheater accused riolu (trackmania cheater) that they were cheating w/ slow-mo all the way back in 2014
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and it took until 2020/2021 for people to find out he actually had been cheating (that entire time and longer, as well) kek
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TsFreddie
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Is it bad manners if U put rice into sauce/meat and / or the other way around?
11:16
Eat however you want
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I mean i do, just wondered tho, because i always put rice on hot plate after i get space there
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Doesn't really matter
11:17
I sometimes like to drown my rice in soup and have it that way
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I feel like only Italian cares about how you eat their food
11:21
greenthing
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Broso56
and it took until 2020/2021 for people to find out he actually had been cheating (that entire time and longer, as well) kek
i wonder how they even find out about cheaters in the first place
11:22
is it because of the pixel precision that is humanly impossible or do they expose themselves?
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Iza
i wonder how they even find out about cheaters in the first place
well the first accusation was due to apparently riolu not having a rank on maps that were seemingly hard to do with slowmo? (not really sure how that works, but thats what they said xd), however the actual proof was due to seeing how rapid the inputs were
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What game are you guys talking about btw
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in trackmania the inputs are saved so they made a test to check for spikes (inhuman/very unusually fast taps due to slowmo) essentially (edited)
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Ah trackmania
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TsFreddie
What game are you guys talking about btw
earlier we were talking about minecraft and dream specficially but right now its trackmania lol
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what differenciates an extreme pro that has years and years of experience in that game, and a cheater? I would imagine not much
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well in this case riolu was both
11:25
had years and years of experience and an actually good player (they've had online ranks and stuff as well, they were good at the game), but also years of cheating experience clearly lmao
11:25
i belive his first cheated rank was in 2011?
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Trackmania i feel like have the same problem as ddnet. Everything is replayable so people can just make seemingly legit input sequence and just replay it.
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yea, trackmania has TAS tools so sometimes people try to pass that as real
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It's probably hard to tell lots of the time if the cheaters are being really careful and crafty
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atleast trackmania has a basic validation tool
11:27
so you cant modify physics without it being easily detectable
11:27
since deterministic inputs
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true
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I would imagine there's a huge amounts of cheaters that aren't caught yet, or never going to be caught, because they cheat smarter than other cheaters. Like they do a tas run but they legitimize every input so that it's not perfect, and to the outside it will just look like a very well done speedrun
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Iza
I would imagine there's a huge amounts of cheaters that aren't caught yet, or never going to be caught, because they cheat smarter than other cheaters. Like they do a tas run but they legitimize every input so that it's not perfect, and to the outside it will just look like a very well done speedrun
for sure
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ddnet is mostly deterministic as well brownbear
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i mean it took nearly a decade for a really well respected player to be caught so i'd imagine even in trackmania ALONE there are tons of cheaters
11:28
and not even counting other games with less of an eye for cheaters
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mario has to be one of these games too
11:29
with a good amount of cheaters
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chess cheaters
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damn, that's why i wander purposeless in this world https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/158zzhu/soheresthedeal/
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yeah there was a big gd scandal too
15:55
whatever his name was caught cheating
15:55
he verified a lot of top 1s and was first victor on a lot
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Voxel
i wanna know how well the google algorhythm truly knows me
so now i know two things that google knows about me: i play the game The Tower and that im broke because every time im on youtube mobile i keep getting The Tower ads, like its reminding me to play it again and every time I play an ad on The Tower i keep getting slimy scratch ticket games
16:22
like no?? im not gambling thank you
17:07
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Overlord
@pilonpl actors faking reactions for a movie sometimes are extremely realistic too, ever hated a character in a show?
Dream isn't an actor as far as i know and also this is different
20:01
Actor's entire job is to fake reactions
20:02
When you are cheating it's not so easy to just behave normally
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