DDraceNetwork - developer

idk

05:35

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046959204470095922/1131730707035725944/aaaa.mp4

05:35

explain

05:35

red tp resets velocity and hook, both tees should go to 0.50 on the x (edited)

05:35

so when flung there should be no horizontal momentum

05:36

how does it go left

are you sure there was no key input?

unsure

05:39

the other tee input display is on by default and would show it

05:39

this isn’t my clip

lets take this convo to #bugs, otherwise we get scolded by the devs (edited)

it’s physics so it’s not a bug

05:40

just want to know why

05:43

lol what is this

05:44

crawler? my ip isnt linked to anywhere

05:44

oh now i see, request header or use https i guess?

Ewan

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046959204470095922/1131730707035725944/aaaa.mp4

#showroom moment xd

i don't think so

06:35

maybe u did not read what i wrote

06:35

or u are just being cheeky

Ewan

Click to see attachment 🖼️

vps?

what, mine or singapore's

06:38

mine is on my pc

wuatstthenimage

idk what that means

06:38

some random singaporian ip accessing my home server

06:39

only open on that port

06:39

how did it find it

exactly, open on one port

06:39

and they found that one open port

yes... how

06:39

u think there is a server somewhere testing every possible ip with every possible port at a time?

crawling all internet ips

^

i guess

get an auth

not just 1 server

06:40

millions

yea i mean

always

its a common thing for my home assistant as well

ig it's differnt from web crawler

they ping every possible ip combination with every possible port

only heard of those

they get a response? they try to connect

also u using a low port

true

06:41

im just doing crude automation stuff using ios shortcuts lol

06:41

when i get a text send http request to my computer and log the timestamp

06:41

neat feature. capability to be absolutely insanely insecure

use self signed cert

i was gonna say, please get a simple keyword auth for that LOL

06:42

or a simple ssh

yea yea

06:42

im raw dogging atm

lmao

no reason not to. no important data

06:44

the crawler running windows is funny to me

06:44

esp the latest version

06:44

that's kinda why i thoughtit could be something else

they proba fake the user agent ofc

07:03

windows is more user like

true

07:08

i forgot u can fake that tbh

07:08

i am web dev 1% of the time

i despise useur agents

07:28

they are so unhelpful

07:28

why only send 1 string and not a universally understood client code

07:29

that can simply be broken down into concrete stuff like os type and major version and minor version and browser

07:29

i haven't checked on the new user identity thing in a while. wonder if that's good yet

<Jupstar> @Ryozuki FFR. I don't have a question tho

rip xd

Ewan

why only send 1 string and not a universally understood client code

They are a relic of the past

Ewan

i haven't checked on the new user identity thing in a while. wonder if that's good yet

?

Ewan

i haven't checked on the new user identity thing in a while. wonder if that's good yet

what new user identity thing?

I couldn’t tell you anything about it other than it’s meant to replace traditional user agents

ah yea

I don’t remember

that exists

09:38

more about user agent identity though

yea sry that’s what i meant

Client Hints?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Client_Hints

HTTP Client Hints

HTTP Client Hints (or simply Client Hints) are a set of HTTP Header Fields for proactive content negotiation in the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP). The client can advertise information about itself through these fields so the server can determine which resources should be included in its response. As an abstract example, the server might ind...

09:39

ye

Idk if u have a mdn page and it looks familiar i could tell you

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Client_hints

HTTP Client hints - HTTP | MDN

Client hints are a set of HTTP request header fields that a server can proactively request from a client to get information about the device, network, user, and user-agent-specific preferences. The server can determine which resources to send, based on the information that the client chooses to provide.

I believe this is what I was remembering

09:41

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/User-Agent_Client_Hints_API

User-Agent Client Hints API - Web APIs | MDN

The User-Agent Client Hints API extends Client Hints to provide a way of exposing browser and platform information via User-Agent response and request headers, and a JavaScript API.

09:41

Same thing just the js api

I believe microsoft(?) blocked brave from binggpt(?) using client hints, causing the first browsre to lie about its identity already

️

09:43

Better than having to pick through a string

09:43

And they’re always like “Microsoft probably sorta gecko sorta chrome apple webkit safari”

there's a library for that

Aint nobody got time for that

give me a valid reason for checking the user agent

I don’t know

09:45

I needed it at some point

09:45

Don’t remember

09:45

Ah right default options for a downloads page

ah, so you wanted to know the platform. I see

Yeah

09:47

I ended up not finishing that because another guy didn’t like how I implemented the cool dropdown breadcrumb combo thing (edited)

09:47

platform/version/arch

09:47

it was kino, as the kids say

09:48

but the dropdowns on the HTML input element are pretty uncustomizable, so i did it from scratch. looked way better but this obviously has repercussions

heinrich5991

give me a valid reason for checking the user agent

Another one is browser specifics, webkit and gecko have some differences due to either non-conformance, different interpretations of the standard or sometimes flat out specific extensions

Learath2

Another one is browser specifics, webkit and gecko have some differences due to either non-conformance, different interpretations of the standard or sometimes flat out specific extensions

I feel like this is a worse reason. detecting the incompatibilties or working around them seems saner

heinrich5991

I feel like this is a worse reason. detecting the incompatibilties or working around them seems saner

How though? If not for the user agent and prior knowledge about the oddities of the rendering and js engines, how would you work around them? Your best option in that case seems to be just avoiding the oddities to begin with

11:14

Which is usually possible tbf but still there are some webkit or gecko only things that are very tempting to use

why the hell is my mouse inverted after building ddnet ingame

11:31

and who set up mousesens_ui to be 200 at startup (edited)

11:31

slaps

ӎěłŏƞ

and who set up mousesens_ui to be 200 at startup (edited)

Yeah sucks hard xD

any idea how to reinvert my mouse? i cant seem to find a way to quickly fix that

11:41

its annoying

ӎěłŏƞ

any idea how to reinvert my mouse? i cant seem to find a way to quickly fix that

what does that mean?

12:28

how is it inverted

12:28

i dont understand

the Y and X axis of my mouse go in different directions, and my mousewheel glitches my mouse to oblivion aswell

ӎěłŏƞ

the Y and X axis of my mouse go in different directions, and my mousewheel glitches my mouse to oblivion aswell

Try same mouse with different computer and different mouse with same computer

and disable controller support

its only ingame, it works just fine outside, also only happens on linux, windows works just fine aswell, i never turned on controller support

maybe its a bug in your linux distro. which are you using. what desktop environment?

12:37

i bet gnome

i am on manjaro atm, same happened on arch aswell, never had that issue till today

xddd

gnome is for weaklings

xd

so yes i am using gnome ._.

well anyway, in all my life i never seen a mouse giving inverted achsis

12:38

try KDE

SAME - its SO weird!

or something else

12:38

maybe its a wayland issue

12:39

try gnome with x11 or other way around

12:39

usually u simply have to logout for that and then there is a dropdown

12:39

but even that depends on your setup xD

i'll try out another desktop enviroment and will try gnomex11 aswell, gimme like 10 to come back to ya if it doesnt fix it lol

ok, cya then

i recommend i3wm

12:45

or sway if wayland

Learath2

Which is usually possible tbf but still there are some webkit or gecko only things that are very tempting to use

could you not check for their existence instead?

heinrich5991

could you not check for their existence instead?

For rendering differences no, you usually just end up spamming the css with multiple different ways of doing it and usually one is completely unsupported on the other engine so it gets dropped

12:47

(That’s what is done btw, idk anyone who generates css on the fly for different browsers, so maybe my hypothetical use case isn’t all that interesting)

in the past when css had less features it was common ye

12:47

--moz-my-feature

12:48

but now i rarely see it

12:48

but ye browser ignores css it doesnt recognize

12:48

https://caniuse.com/

@Ryozuki the pagination thing is a bit weird. I'm not clicking on the second page whereas I have scrolled down a little before pagination was a thing

13:14

why can a mobile browser not handle 1000 servers on a page?

the web is not done

13:16

why are u so into removing the pagination

13:16

its a normal thing

I'm observing I'm not going to later pages

13:16

if I'm an outlier or if that's fine, that's fine

well idk nobody else is giving feedback for now xd

13:18

i want to rethink a bit the layout anyway

13:18

there is lot of wasted space on desktop

Map Size: NaN kb

heinrich5991

Map Size: NaN kb

xD

13:19

@heinrich5991 one thing i dislike about all in 1 is that u wont probs ever scroll to bottom

13:19

and there i have the footer with the license and source

13:19

I saw that footer before you implemented pagination, I think

13:23

maybe you could add it at the top?

13:24

interrupting the content for the copyright notice intuitively seems bad IMO (edited)

13:25

wrong player sorting (probably applying post-processing to player count but not to sorting)

13:27

hmm. I thought my browser would make a request to master1.ddnet.org, but it doesn't(?)

heinrich5991

hmm. I thought my browser would make a request to master1.ddnet.org, but it doesn't(?)

yeah it doesnt cuz SSR

13:35

it will when i make it refresh or add a button

13:35

Server-side rendering (SSR) is the process of generating HTML on the server, and is what SvelteKit does by default. It's important for performance and resilience, and is very beneficial for search engine optimization (SEO) — while some search engines can index content that is rendered in the browser with JavaScript, it happens less frequently and reliably.

ah, cool

maybe no pagination with the typical button to go up

13:38

i plan to add filters

13:38

gamemode etc

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and search ofc

13:38

then ill do request diffing

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and show events

13:38

i just gotta add million undefined checks

13:39

@heinrich5991 do ddnet servers with reserved slots show 63 always?

13:39

cant i know this info to show 64 (1 reserved)

Ryozuki

@heinrich5991 do ddnet servers with reserved slots show 63 always?

yes

Ryozuki

cant i know this info to show 64 (1 reserved)

no, that's internal ot the server. is it interesting for the server list anywy?

i just wanted to show as most info as possible

13:41

but its ok xd

13:42

its non intuitive that a mod can join even sv shows full

a mod is above the law

13:43

:p

i think its annoying how a mod can join a 63/63 server, make it 64/64, and instantly returns back to 63/63 if someone leaves

that's kinda by design

13:49

the reserved slot is not tracked separately

heinrich5991

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6893 Should we accomodate building the headless client with as few dependencies as possible?

heinrich5991

the reserved slot is not tracked separately

Is this desired? I've thought about this a couple of times before but never came to a conclusion myself

heinrich5991

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6889 Remove vulkan dependency for headless client

Learath2

Is this desired? I've thought about this a couple of times before but never came to a conclusion myself

it seems like a net-positive for moderation, making it more likely that a slot is open for an incoming moderator

13:57

(in the case of more than one moderator existing for a server)

heinrich5991

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6891 Make libnotify depdency optional

@heinrich5991 @Learath2 close this https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5558 ? trollet

Allow changing opacity of freeze bars by Learath2 · Pull Request #5...

A couple players mentioned a lower opacity freeze bar is better for them. This allows that without introducing an extra option but rather repurposing the old ones. It adds a magic coefficient of .7...

Ryozuki

@heinrich5991 @Learath2 close this https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5558 ? trollet

I like it as is, if you don’t want it as is maybe closing is the best

Learath2

I like it as is, if you don’t want it as is maybe closing is the best

by as is u mean the change in the pr?

14:04

if u like it then fix the conflicts

14:04

xd

Why fix the conflicts if it’s not getting merged?

fixing conflicts only makes sense if someone wants to merge it

ah

14:04

i was confused by ur wording

14:04

i thought u wanted it in

14:05

i also like it as is

Someone else needs to want it in, I wouldn’t merge my own

well nobody said anything for 6 months ima close it

(fwiw I also liked the very first version with a hardcoded multiplier)

edg-l

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5558 Allow changing opacity of freeze bars

reason is meh

14:06

either we want it or not

14:07

we shouldn't encourage someone to open a new PR if we don't want it

i mean if there is no activity its prob not wanted

then say that instead of tellign people to create a PR I guess

feel free to edit my comment

14:07

i dont mind

Fwiw it was a requested feature, but we took so long that people that wanted it probably got used to the bar as is

Learath2

Fwiw it was a requested feature, but we took so long that people that wanted it probably got used to the bar as is

workin as intended KEKL

14:08

i updated it to "closing as its not wanted right now"

14:09

@heinrich5991 what about https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3954

Fix the possibility of tees stacking by joining teams by heinrich59...

This would make some startline skips harder to exploit. Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly related configuratio...

Status: I want to add it and see how it goes.

14:11

still my opinion

the ci on that one is stalled or smth

CI requirements changed since the PR was opened

14:12

if you want to merge it, I can rebase it on top of master

i dont mind merging it

14:13

but unsure about backlash

could you add a comment so that I remember rebasing it?

done

Ryozuki

@heinrich5991 what about https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3954

what happens to the ranks that use this exploit to gain a better time

@Jupstar ✪ i tried everything, still same issue

14:50

i changed enviroment, computer's. equipment, i used different distrobutions of lionux, i used different ways to build DDNet

14:51

everything comes back to inverted mouse

14:51

i have NO idea what i am doing wrong

ӎěłŏƞ

@Jupstar ✪ i tried everything, still same issue

Have you tried with older versions of DDNet?

@Robyt3 do you have any idea what could be causing those visual bugs in #6885? I tried replacing the lines with dots, but they still have these steps. This makes it look like it would be a bug in the envelope evaluation function, but the animations appear to be smooth

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6885

Zoomable envelope editor by Marmare314 · Pull Request #6885 · ddnet...

This should make adjusting envelopes with many close envpoints easier. At this point it is only a proof of concept, I just want to make sure that this is a wanted feature. Remove autscroll for n...

yes

marmare_314

@Robyt3 do you have any idea what could be causing those visual bugs in #6885? I tried replacing the lines with dots, but they still have these steps. This makes it look like it would be a bug in the envelope evaluation function, but the animations appear to be smooth

The step-ladder pattern is likely because bezier curves are only approximated that far

15:25

I don't think you have to handle it in your PR, but it would be nice to fix anyway if it's possible

1

Robyt3

The step-ladder pattern is likely because bezier curves are only approximated that far

So the spikes if two points are close together could then also just be from the evaluation even though the animations are smooth?

marmare_314

So the spikes if two points are close together could then also just be from the evaluation even though the animations are smooth?

You mean specifically with bezier curves? The other bug with lines after the last point happened with linear envelopes even

No I mean the second picture I sent. That one happens with all types of curves

Ok, I found a fix for the step-ladder pattern

15:36

Bezier curves are using the time in milliseconds as int whereas other envelopes use the time in milliseconds as float/double

marmare_314

No I mean the second picture I sent. That one happens with all types of curves

Do you have a map where I can test if this fixes the other issue?

Robyt3

Do you have a map where I can test if this fixes the other issue?

Not really, but its easy to reproduce. Just move any two envpoints (that are not at exactly the same value) as close together as possible

marmare_314

Not really, but its easy to reproduce. Just move any two envpoints (that are not at exactly the same value) as close together as possible

Ok, so for some reason this bug was also fixed by using double instead of int for the time in milliseconds

15:44

I'll make a PR in a moment, it shouldn't conflict with yours

Robyt3

Ok, so for some reason this bug was also fixed by using double instead of int for the time in milliseconds

Where exactly did you need to change it?

15:44

Oh alright

@Robyt3 I just noticed that i changed the behaviour of the tangent handles in my PR. Previously they were restricted between 0 and the env point or the envpoint and the last envpoint. In my PR they are now restricted to the next envpoint. But it does not appear to make a difference for the curves that can be created, but its probably nicer to use without the restriction. Should I just make this a one-sided restriction? (ie the out-tangent cannot be left of the envpoint but has no restriction on the right)

marmare_314

@Robyt3 I just noticed that i changed the behaviour of the tangent handles in my PR. Previously they were restricted between 0 and the env point or the envpoint and the last envpoint. In my PR they are now restricted to the next envpoint. But it does not appear to make a difference for the curves that can be created, but its probably nicer to use without the restriction. Should I just make this a one-sided restriction? (ie the out-tangent cannot be left of the envpoint but has no restriction on the right)

Yeah, probably better to preserve the old behavior

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6900 Fix inaccurate envelope calculation

Use double instead of int to represent the time in milliseconds in envelope calculation. This fixes step-ladder patterns appearing with bezier curves and artifacts appearing when two points are very close together in time. Screenshots:

Artifacts:
- Before:

!screenshot_2023-07-21_17-50-42

After:

![screenshot_2023-07-21_17-51-09](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/assets/23437060/1882fc...

nvm

Doesn't work in the preview yeah

The step thing is probably easily fixed by linearly interpreting between points instead of doing a zero order hold

16:05

Ah, just saw the pr that makes more sense

16:05

I was wondering why it wasnt a first order approximation to begin with

looked weird anyway, counting in nano and converting to milli? (edited)

16:15

sry for asking weird questions btw! - im just curious all the time >_< (edited)

feel free to ask anything

16:17

as long as its not botting

16:17

xd

haha!

the amount of new ppl chatting here that want to code bots is astounding

why would you want that

16:18

thats the most boring part of it

ye, contributing and having ur part in ddnet forever is more amazing

actually

16:20

couldnt you btw just use a float for the Value's and have x1 and x2 for example connected via a float point? considering straight lines i suppose. dunno how you code curves >

16:21

im thinking for example x1 = 0; x2 = 1; t= 0.5; and have em connected through t?

16:26

or is that inaccurate?

i havent looked at the pr and idk much about this

16:32

xd

me neither lol

16:33

i was just thinking about Learath2's idea of using linearly interpretation

The editor interpolates each segment between two envelope points using 15 straight line segments

i still didnt find the problem with the inverted mouse btw

- its insanity

17:05

outside of ddnet it works perfectly, ddnet just glitches my mouse to infinity

Mhh

17:07

Try different mouse

i used 3 already

17:10

i'll try a steam release, if that one doesnt work i am throwing my pc out of the window

did u change xinput or smth

i am not using debian so i dont have xinput by default

17:12

i really have no clue

well xinput is not debian specific

17:12

its x11 utility to set input stuff

17:13

i guess u use wayland

even if, it would change everything, but its game specific

17:18

okay so its not DDNet specific, i was able to recreate the issue with 2 older version's and the original teeworlds client, so it definitly is an issue on my side...

u say xinput i think windows

‍

ӎěłŏƞ

i still didnt find the problem with the inverted mouse btw

- its insanity

did ya try wayland

wayland as in bitmap? no i did not

ӎěłŏƞ

wayland as in bitmap? no i did not

dunno what you mean, but wayland is basically a x11 alternative

oh i dont know that one, let me have a look

heinrich5991

I believe microsoft(?) blocked brave from binggpt(?) using client hints, causing the first browsre to lie about its identity already

lol, all browsers lied about their identity because microsoft made some stuff faster with IE back then

WAYLAND FIXED IT

19:15

JUPSTAR I LOVE YOU

19:15

now i can finally start developing my own bot client dab

19:15

only took me like 10 hours

ooof

for legal reasons thats a joke, do not ban me i repeat DO NOT BAN ME >_<

3

@Davide i can now join ger10 again :)

19:44

my ip didnt change i didnt change anything on my side so i assume you fixed it

def-

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

b3f1fbd video - def-

!mods

ChillerDragon

!mods

Command not found!

@Moderator send help to chiler by clickin on this link ddnet://176.9.114.238:8348

Chillerdragon: don't do that please

what=

22:29

can you please finally send some?

22:29

Kei and Dropix spawnblock the whole server

22:29

and i shouldnt call mods?

22:29

@murpi fr?

login into your discord account and create a ticket like everybody else

ticket?

22:33

since when

22:33

is this kog?

22:33

also what is @mods for if not to ping mods?

22:34

@murpi you are kidding right?

We disabled @moderator mentions on the entire server

22:34

No, im not kidding

i didnt get the memo

that's why im telling you know ^^

22:35

now*

i dont have discord

22:35

and i do need help in game

I thought heinrich set one up for you

oh yea true

22:36

i technically have discord

liar liar pants on fire

before i use that account i risk a lifeban on irc

22:36

im not using discord to request help

22:40

This is unbelivable im doing a serious report and you talk about discord tickets

22:40

meanwhile a 60 player server is trapped on spawn

lets make a deal, i'll come and check and if the report is legit then i'll allow the pings

22:42

if not, you'll start using discord to report like all the other people

good night

people seem to be racing just fine

22:47

someone did unintentionally block apperantly, but people managed to solve it themselfs

do you need a demo?

22:47

Kei and Dropix were building towers for 10mins to block the unfreeze

22:48

then sp someone solo blocked the whole server and got vote kicked a bunch of times

No, people already confirmed that someone was blocking

i am really pissed tbh that you consider me doing a "not legit" report

I didn't say that your report isn't legit

you hinted it

No I didn't

22:50

I even told you the reason why you shouldn't ping moderators via IRC

lets make a deal, i'll come and check and if the report is legit then i'll allow the pings

22:50

that is you having to "check" if my "report is legit"

That has nothing to do with me telling you not to ping moderators

Yes

22:51

That is you having to check if my report is legit

No, thats me having to step out of bed for your report since no one else did

Thanks

22:52

thats not what i got from that

22:54

sorry you got out of bed but after 20minutes of getting spawn blocked i already rage quitted

sorry you had to deal with sp someone past midnight

Honestly sp was the least of my problems. The way Kei did it was way more annoying. And you telling to use discord gave me the rest

Whats stopping you from using discord anyway?

I hate it to the core

23:26

There should be a foss way to call for mods

they give you the option to not having to download a client to use it

So?

whats the difference between irc and discord?

I am already compromising by using the bridge

23:28

irc allows custom clients

23:28

irc does not randomly ban you and force phone number on you

23:28

irc is free and open source

Aha, so you're holding a grudge against discord for randomly banning you?

Ofc

23:29

But they banned me after I left

23:29

It’s just some nice example on how fucked it is

23:30

Do I really have to argue why ddnet needs a foss way of calling for help?

23:31

Also besides the ideological reasons it’s not very practical

23:32

I can do !mods in seconds. While joining discord takes on average 5min plus or is not possible at all

chillerdragon we have to disable the mentions on the bridge eventually at some point

23:47

since this can be done by anyone, anytime

Yea that makes sense but if you do please allow contacting mods via something other than discord

23:48

Or give me rcon back and I kick the spawnblockers my self

chillerdragon

But they banned me after I left

You should’ve bought nitro

murpi

since this can be done by anyone, anytime

hiii

chillerdragon Have you been removed from staff due to abooz?

cyberFighter

hiii

No

23:53

I was removed from staff because I was using to little

23:54

Not representing a proper staff by not enforcing all rules

23:54

I just used when I really had to

An rcon for you would be an option then, i'll let you know

I haven’t changed and will not change any time soon

23:57

I refuse to enforce all rules ddnet has

23:57

I prefer only using rcon against people who actively try to interrupt the game for others