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Between 2023-07-19 00:00:00Z and 2023-07-20 00:00:00Z

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the gawd damn spam is back

07:36

haha

07:36

was gonna send the same just now

Lol

broski even joins empty servers why the heck

i think he just joins every available server

07:45

i mean he spams it ouside of ddnet aswell, zcatch, ctf, block

07:45

all of em

07:47

how about we dont allow people to send the same message every like.. 30 seconds or such outside of teamchat?

It can be easily bypassed

07:50

By just not sending the same message

hm

how about making a login system like kog migration or teeworlds rpg so the guy cannot speak if not logged in gigachad

gigachad

oh not this discussion again

btw is the guy able to connect on verified ddnet servers whatever they're called ?

07:51

whitelist

The forbidden word

the ddnet10?

07:51

eh ger10 i mean

i guess yea

07:52

maybe

iirc yes

broski manages to whitelist all his ips in ddnet whitelist

07:53

meanwhile he just connects on migrated servers on kog, unable to speak

HA

i guess manual verification is smoother than automatic for these things

07:53

but slower

have a one time verification for free chatting, otherwise you get a chat restriction?

maybe

kinda like the verification for your ip, but with your name

07:54

and have a poor mod just click a button for a few hours

lmao

but the verification would need to be bound to something, otherwise they can just copy a chat verificated name.. i guess

to be honest i don't even think the bot moves an inch so the easier thing would be letting someone chat after a kill or starting once or some shi like that

well thats easily duable for a bot aswell no?

(the botter would change that yeah but idek)

07:55

well

1

lol

i don't know how it works to make 3 players join every servers in the server list, so making them all move one inch is even more confusing to me

oh thats pretty simple tbh

07:56

bots like these are around for years

ӎěłŏƞ

but the verification would need to be bound to something, otherwise they can just copy a chat verificated name.. i guess

I suggested a long time ago, discord accounts

oh man.. that sounds.. smart

kog does that gigachad

gigachad

oh yeah you need to be on discord

07:57

for kog

I suggested to bind an ingame /report system with discord accounts so it cant be abused

quite literally yeah

07:57

so like if mass reported you can get name banned ?

but iirc they said it would bomb their capacities

people would just make bots to mass report if that's the case

ӎěłŏƞ

but iirc they said it would bomb their capacities

for what and about what

make the game playable like always, but you need verification to chat via discord and a login

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

for what and about what

making accounts/verifications

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

people would just make bots to mass report if that's the case

Discord has smart tools to prevent stuff like that

DDNet ?

07:58

Oh right yeah

ye

Like account age, email verification etc

and i mean.. it worked fine in kog

07:59

obviously verification took a few days

I think i'm pretty secure with account age justatest

justatest

but thats not a big deal

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

I think i'm pretty secure with account age justatest

justatest

same

justatest

16 gang

07:59

anyway

lol

07:59

i am old man

If the verification was to be slow, there will be a need for some other kind of servers for people to chat or sm while waiting for it

08:00

that was super confusing to say

that is why kog didnt authorize all servers at once

08:01

but they gave everyone i think it was 2 or 3 days to verificate while converting servers one by one (edited)

08:01

is verificate even a word? idk english hard

anyway do you think the guy advertises his channels that are being re-made every seconds bc of channel ban, or is it some random channels that the bot choses to falsely advertise so the innocent streamer gets banned for botting ?

its innocent streamers

08:02

happened to me aswell

verify

08:02

Cuz the first channel i looked at was just a russian dude playing dota with like 1k followers or sm idk

08:02

and the second one had like 3

the russian guy also streams teeworlds

08:03

then it happened to me

08:03

then it happened to the mexican dude

bruh

08:03

hope he doesn't do a wave on Steppfun and people mass report him justatest

justatest

i chitchatted with the admins about it

08:04

"sorry, i couldn't to give you any idea. We don't know whose bot they are, and we couldn't ban them a long time in each server (usually they banned by player vote). They sent the official infclass server before, and they also sent the bomb server. Maybe next they will send other servers. Any way, i think you don't need to stop the stream, because they are not yours bot." that was one of the messages an admin sent me (edited)

oh aight

also dont you people dare blame his english, i love him and he tried his best

is it a ddnet admin or infclalss?

ddnet

damn looking at the mods tab rn i don't see much people i know anymore

Iza was there when the big boom happened, a lot of other people i dont recognize aswell

Skeith is an old one too

08:06

hi Learath

2

hehe

imagine sniping people

ӎěłŏƞ

Iza was there when the big boom happened, a lot of other people i dont recognize aswell

What big boom? I only know of one big boom

anyway finally done with whatever i was doin so ima play ig

Idk if accounts as imagined by the two strongest proposals would ever help with this sort of spamming

hi Ryo too

Learath2

Idk if accounts as imagined by the two strongest proposals would ever help with this sort of spamming

What would your imagination of an account system for ddnet be?

@Iza back when the rubberboots were made out of wood

08:08

i like the discord verification

08:08

atleast for german and USA servers (because chinese etc. dont use discord much)

Gotta think it through though if it's discord, cuz not everybody has discord so they wouldn't be able to talk for a while if it was to enable chatting

08:09

and yeah china just doesn't have discord normally

08:09

it's another app

ye

Iza

What would your imagination of an account system for ddnet be?

I want something similar to them in practice but I would want atleast one annoying aspect to registering

08:10

If you aren't charging money for your game your registration has to have something annoying in it to create a natural ratelimit and a barrier

Regarding the annoying part, we could copy a little bit of kogs work

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

Gotta think it through though if it's discord, cuz not everybody has discord so they wouldn't be able to talk for a while if it was to enable chatting

It'll never be discord, maybe linking a discord account to some other type but never required discord.

well make 2 registrations?

Learath2

If you aren't charging money for your game your registration has to have something annoying in it to create a natural ratelimit and a barrier

There are some games requiring phone number verification

08:11

Just saying

one for general chatting, and one for your name

08:12

the name thing needs demos or some kind of proof that its you, and the verification of a mod

08:12

the other just allows chatting

08:12

like other games, joining the game requires an account, getting full access requires phone registration

Iza

There are some games requiring phone number verification

I'd be fine with it but no one else is so that's also out of the question

phone number registration always feels sketchy imo

08:13

but yeah

08:13

still would be fine too

In my opinion the sketch is just the cost of having a healthy and moderable community

Even alot of young kids these days have phone numbers

08:14

But i see how there could be a privacy concern

But anyway, can't happen. Too many devs that don't think it's a good idea

its a lot of work to implement that into their spaghetticode

The only thing that gathered some level of support was linking to different platforms, especially steam

Well as long as kog does not decrease the amount of non account servers I think it's fine. Also apparently ppl still prefer to play on non acc servers

08:15

So kog to me is an indicator that ppl don't want this generally

Jupstar ✪

Well as long as kog does not decrease the amount of non account servers I think it's fine. Also apparently ppl still prefer to play on non acc servers

Because the people were never forced to play on account servers

08:16

I don’t think that most of them would just ditch kog if there’d be only acc servers

Iza

I don’t think that most of them would just ditch kog if there’d be only acc servers

I'm not so sure about this

There is also the issue of account/non-account servers. I don't see ddnet ever having anything like that, nor forced accounts. So I'm not sure what use the accounts will be

having to register and and not having to register just keeps people who arent serious about playing this game/bots away. in my totally honest opinion

08:17

ofc its bad for really new players, but this is about people who have been around for years on end who have to deal with shitheads like the person who uses bots to spam

Learath2

There is also the issue of account/non-account servers. I don't see ddnet ever having anything like that, nor forced accounts. So I'm not sure what use the accounts will be

If there’s no forced accounts. Or if its too easy to create multiple accounts, then the account system has no use at all for me. Im saying it how it is

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08:18

The truth to anything

08:18

Most ppl don't care

08:18

Don't want accounts badly

08:18

Some totally not

Iza

If there’s no forced accounts. Or if its too easy to create multiple accounts, then the account system has no use at all for me. Im saying it how it is

I'm kinda in this same page. But as you can see #developer is already leaking out

From a moderation point of view its not about if people want it, its about if we need it

yeah was gonna say

Iza

From a moderation point of view its not about if people want it, its about if we need it

If this channel were also linked to matrix you'd see chiller say there should be no moderation at all

it really is just to secure people, ignoring if people want it or not

Iza

If there’s no forced accounts. Or if its too easy to create multiple accounts, then the account system has no use at all for me. Im saying it how it is

@heinrich5991 I think had some ideas about this, maybe he can help you find some way that this kind of instant to create account can be useful even if we can't force people to register for one

Learath2

If this channel were also linked to matrix you'd see chiller say there should be no moderation at all

He should spend the same amount of time as I do with dealing with the same botters every single day and the same racist people

also can we have a general restriction for names like "ni**er" and such? i really dont fckn care but 11-12 year olds are playing this game

Iza

He should spend the same amount of time as I do with dealing with the same botters every single day and the same racist people

He simply wouldn't. He thinks we should turn ddnet into 4chan but with a game attached to it

Jupstar ✪

Well as long as kog does not decrease the amount of non account servers I think it's fine. Also apparently ppl still prefer to play on non acc servers

just that the process is kind of confusing needing a tutorial video on how to do that, and like hundreds of people only are migrated after making their account, most of them are decent people who just want peace on their runs lol

petition to implement gifs into ingamechat

Iza

If there’s no forced accounts. Or if its too easy to create multiple accounts, then the account system has no use at all for me. Im saying it how it is

How that? U could still make a server flag "only account users can talk" or something like that

ӎěłŏƞ

also can we have a general restriction for names like "ni**er" and such? i really dont fckn care but 11-12 year olds are playing this game

We do nowadays, if you spot one feel free to report them

also while migrating, i personally had a bug that made me unable to migrate until i asked a mod to reset it so that's a thing too

Ok full servers

Learath2

@heinrich5991 I think had some ideas about this, maybe he can help you find some way that this kind of instant to create account can be useful even if we can't force people to register for one

I would like to see that for myself

Learath2

We do nowadays, if you spot one feel free to report them

what about chicken butt?

All this moderation is only for full t0 servers anyway isn't it?

Iza

I would like to see that for myself

You can search in #developer if you can find my concerns about it you'll find their opinions

ӎěłŏƞ

also can we have a general restriction for names like "ni**er" and such? i really dont fckn care but 11-12 year olds are playing this game

think of the children is the worst argument. just say directly that you want these names banned

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

what about chicken butt?

That is 10yo safe. I think even in America "butt" isn't a bad word

ask the children if they want to see them banned, I'd guess they don't care either

Jupstar ✪

How that? U could still make a server flag "only account users can talk" or something like that

That would only eliminate one problem out of many problems

damn alright

Jupstar ✪

How that? U could still make a server flag "only account users can talk" or something like that

This is what I was planning on pushing for after we get accounts in. I probably wouldn't be allowed to have it on all servers by default but atleast mods can use it to counter acute spam (edited)

heinrich5991

think of the children is the worst argument. just say directly that you want these names banned

i remember playing this game when i was like 12.. boy did i learn insults

ӎěłŏƞ

i remember playing this game when i was like 12.. boy did i learn insults

was it bad?

annoying

do you think you were worse off due to that? (edited)

thats like 12 years ago.. idfk

Learath2

This is what I was planning on pushing for after we get accounts in. I probably wouldn't be allowed to have it on all servers by default but atleast mods can use it to counter acute spam (edited)

that sounds good

ӎěłŏƞ

thats like 12 years ago.. idfk

then it's a "not really" i'd say

Learath2

This is what I was planning on pushing for after we get accounts in. I probably wouldn't be allowed to have it on all servers by default but atleast mods can use it to counter acute spam (edited)

Unfortunately spam only makes like 30% of the problems on ddnet. There’s botters, there’s blockers, there’s people with inappropriate names and clans etc

Iza

Unfortunately spam only makes like 30% of the problems on ddnet. There’s botters, there’s blockers, there’s people with inappropriate names and clans etc

Maybe not even 30%

heinrich5991

that sounds good

With a twist though. I would make the flag require one verified linked account

a general chat restriction, espacially around links/spams/(BAD)racism would be an idea

08:28

there are many libraries for that

anyway, I'll note that this discussion will be forgotten in a week, and you should comment on the github issue

thats how it always is with every discussion in general chat

Where it's also forgotten

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411

Accounts · Issue #3411 · ddnet/ddnet

Summary by UnlucksMcGee (thanks a lot!)

personally i just like to talk to people

Just to be honest;)

no, I think it'll be read more often there

The rest of the community not

Jupstar ✪

Just to be honest;)

Hard truth

Iza

Hard truth

weird way to say "I agree" or "sounds like my estimate as well"

Iza

Unfortunately spam only makes like 30% of the problems on ddnet. There’s botters, there’s blockers, there’s people with inappropriate names and clans etc

C'est la vie. Life is full of compromises. We fix what we can without ruffling too many feathers

Iza

Unfortunately spam only makes like 30% of the problems on ddnet. There’s botters, there’s blockers, there’s people with inappropriate names and clans etc

wait are innapropriate clans a bannable thing ?

heinrich5991

weird way to say "I agree" or "sounds like my estimate as well"

It was ngl

wait.. one idea that came to my mind just now.. make the steam release update at start with a verification key that updates every 5 minutes, no verification key, no joining server

also botters and blockers would be fixed with an account system if there were like advanced banning systems that extends the ban time after however much bans bc of one reason

at second thought.. i forgot people without steam exists

08:31

nvm

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

wait are innapropriate clans a bannable thing ?

If you’re not changing your inappropriate clantag after a warning then it is bannable yes

inappropriate meaning "bad words" here, no?

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

also botters and blockers would be fixed with an account system if there were like advanced banning systems that extends the ban time after however much bans bc of one reason

If the accounts are instantly recreated and points cannot be attached to accounts, I don't think it fixes anything

Learath2

If the accounts are instantly recreated and points cannot be attached to accounts, I don't think it fixes anything

points should be attached to accounts somehow

Learath2

C'est la vie. Life is full of compromises. We fix what we can without ruffling too many feathers

What is the risk of having an account system as complex as kog? (Or maybe not that complex where you have to register on 2 websites, but still) Or to better phrase it, what holds the people back from agreeing with it? I’m genuinely interested

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

also botters and blockers would be fixed with an account system if there were like advanced banning systems that extends the ban time after however much bans bc of one reason

Always depends. It doesn't work for CSGO. But ofc the community is much bigger. It might create more ddos again. BCS angry little kids

a captcha would fix bots registering 10K times a minute

Iza

What is the risk of having an account system as complex as kog? (Or maybe not that complex where you have to register on 2 websites, but still) Or to better phrase it, what holds the people back from agreeing with it? I’m genuinely interested

new player experience

Iza

What is the risk of having an account system as complex as kog? (Or maybe not that complex where you have to register on 2 websites, but still) Or to better phrase it, what holds the people back from agreeing with it? I’m genuinely interested

Centralized account systems don't poll well in developerspheres.

heinrich5991

inappropriate meaning "bad words" here, no?

Yeah mostly racism and stuff like that

Iza

What is the risk of having an account system as complex as kog? (Or maybe not that complex where you have to register on 2 websites, but still) Or to better phrase it, what holds the people back from agreeing with it? I’m genuinely interested

Most ppl play over steam. If that is well integrated most ppl wouldn't even notice the account probably

Learath2

Centralized account systems don't poll well in developerspheres.

Because of the complexity of the code or?

It's the easiest form I'd say

Iza

Because of the complexity of the code or?

No a centralized account system is trivial, I'm sure like 2 of us can get it done in about a week

heinrich5991

new player experience

That is a thing to be concerned about. But as jupstar just mentioned, if it is pulled off right, it can be a smooth experience for steam players. And I’m certain that the most new players are steam players

Iza

That is a thing to be concerned about. But as jupstar just mentioned, if it is pulled off right, it can be a smooth experience for steam players. And I’m certain that the most new players are steam players

I think this is another recurring sentiment in the discussion that it should be as easy for non-steam players as steam players

Learath2

No a centralized account system is trivial, I'm sure like 2 of us can get it done in about a week

not sure if we can pull it off in a way that doesn't cause massive moderation overhead for stolen accounts etc.

Learath2

I think this is another recurring sentiment in the discussion that it should be as easy for non-steam players as steam players

or at least not a massively bad user experience for non-steam players

08:38

people download ddnet in places where they can't install steam (edited)

Learath2

I think this is another recurring sentiment in the discussion that it should be as easy for non-steam players as steam players

kog migration kind of has it tbh, using a login key that you get for one account on the website to play on the migrated servers

heinrich5991

or at least not a massively bad user experience for non-steam players

Would you consider having to actually register before playing "massively bad"?

thing is if the key is shared people can log into it even without the same name

Learath2

Would you consider having to actually register before playing "massively bad"?

what does "register" entail?

For a classic centralized account system it'd be a register/login button with email/username and password usually

Learath2

Would you consider having to actually register before playing "massively bad"?

I think it'd be fine having to jump through hoops if your /16 has problems with spammers beforehand

heinrich5991

people download ddnet in places where they can't install steam (edited)

If people insist to not have the steam version for whatever reason, then I’m sure they can deal with a more „complex“ registration process on the non-ddnet version

Learath2

For a classic centralized account system it'd be a register/login button with email/username and password usually

I think download and play is a valid use case. I think that would be too much

I mean no offence to the non ddnet users but I can’t think of any other good solution

Iza

If people insist to not have the steam version for whatever reason, then I’m sure they can deal with a more „complex“ registration process on the non-ddnet version

I don't agree with forcing people to use the steam version or having bad UX (edited)

Most ppl use steam tho. That's the simple truth

unclear what "that's the simple truth" should imply here

That's our main audience

I agree that most people use steam

heinrich5991

I don't agree with forcing people to use the steam version or having bad UX (edited)

I’m not talking about forcing. What I had in mind is that the registration process for the non ddnet version just wouldn’t be as smooth as steam

Don't even need to discuss steam tbf. Steam will always be smooth to use no matter what we decide on (edited)

Iza

I’m not talking about forcing. What I had in mind is that the registration process for the non ddnet version just wouldn’t be as smooth as steam

yes, that's what I mean with "bad UX"

08:42

"if you don't use steam, you'll have bad UX"

08:42

that's a bad thing in my book

Well bad UX as in every website on this planet

I cant think of any other game that has to deal with such problems like this, it’s remarkable

Jupstar ✪

Well bad UX as in every website on this planet

And almost every other online game

Iza

I cant think of any other game that has to deal with such problems like this, it’s remarkable

what kind of problem?

But yes for a small game like ddnet download and play is a good thing

heinrich5991

what kind of problem?

Having to deal with a group of steam users and a group of non steam users

Iza

Having to deal with a group of steam users and a group of non steam users

It is a common thing, but they just make it annoying for nonsteam and call it a day

08:44

PoE used to do it e.g. (idk if they still do)

Yeah i meant that no other game company is probably overthinking this as bad as we do

08:45

They just dont care too much about non steam users

most other games are also not open-source

we are no game company, we are a community addon to an already existing game

ӎěłŏƞ

we are no game company, we are a community addon to an already existing game

maybe we're our own game at this point

We basically are, id say

I don't even know what you hope here @heinrich5991 afaik you also wanted to set an email address with the auto generated keys to have some kind of recovery possibility, didn't you? So there will be some UI in the client that the user has to use.. an one time key pair will not solve any moderation problem

Anyway, the issue seems to be that we have lots of novel desires out of our account system with many conflicting views. It's hard to even come up with any solution to it let alone one that fixes every issue

Learath2

Anyway, the issue seems to be that we have lots of novel desires out of our account system with many conflicting views. It's hard to even come up with any solution to it let alone one that fixes every issue

We could start a vote on the GitHub issue as a first start

Jupstar ✪

We could start a vote on the GitHub issue as a first start

Yeah we gotta start somewhere

Jupstar ✪

I don't even know what you hope here @heinrich5991 afaik you also wanted to set an email address with the auto generated keys to have some kind of recovery possibility, didn't you? So there will be some UI in the client that the user has to use.. an one time key pair will not solve any moderation problem

the email address would not be mandatory

08:48

maybe heavily suggested once you finish some maps

Oh boy we haven’t even talked about what’d happen to points and ranks when we implement accounts

my fellow clan member had a good take on it personally: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1126819117593280583

heinrich5991

the email address would not be mandatory

(In practice this will mean there will be completely properly authenticated users that have nothing verified)

heinrich5991

the email address would not be mandatory

Mh but that would also mean no benefit for moderation once an troll knows they must simply reset the key pair

Jupstar ✪

Mh but that would also mean no benefit for moderation once an troll knows they must simply reset the key pair

then we know it's a new key pair. if someone decides to troll, we can disable chat for new accounts for a while

Learath2

(In practice this will mean there will be completely properly authenticated users that have nothing verified)

the finishes prove that some work went into the account

Iza

Oh boy we haven’t even talked about what’d happen to points and ranks when we implement accounts

This is what stopped my initial drive to get accounts done. The points lobby is way too strong, you can't win against them

Learath2

This is what stopped my initial drive to get accounts done. The points lobby is way too strong, you can't win against them

How did kog solve this?

So there needs to be some way ti showcase old ranks

[A]

Iza name registration

Iza

How did kog solve this?

They already had accounts when they created accounts

name + e-mail and a mod authenticated it

Iza

How did kog solve this?

I think they manually verified people's accounts

^

heinrich5991

then we know it's a new key pair. if someone decides to troll, we can disable chat for new accounts for a while

Perfect. Then u can vote for my proposal

there's lots of games that force you to sign up with an email account as soon as you launch the game. the "imaginary accounts" ddnet use are very unusual.

Learath2

They already had accounts when they created accounts

So they were thinking ahead already, smart

It doesn't block that idea

Learath2

They already had accounts when they created accounts

they werent mandatory though

08:52

so some names could still register with the new system i'd imagine

Tater

there's lots of games that force you to sign up with an email account as soon as you launch the game. the "imaginary accounts" ddnet use are very unusual.

But I always hate games that do so.

Tater

there's lots of games that force you to sign up with an email account as soon as you launch the game. the "imaginary accounts" ddnet use are very unusual.

Yeah, what we want is very very unusual

U have 20000 accounts

Iza

How did kog solve this?

Theres already these things or is that something else? https://ddnet.org/ranks/old/ (edited)

heinrich5991

I think they manually verified people's accounts

I guess we could do that, get the whole mod team together and i guess it wouldn’t be that hard

Better use steam acc

make 3 possible authentications:(Discord, Phone, or manual registration through a mod) and get us a few authenticated servers so we can play in peace if we want to

08:52

rest can chill on non authenticated servers

well there's also games where you can use steam or manual email, see RoTMG

Iza

I guess we could do that, get the whole mod team together and i guess it wouldn’t be that hard

Could also set a higher limit of like 5k+ points

namefakes are around for years, and people dont seem to bother to much, because you can usually identify and ignore those

Jupstar ✪

Better use steam acc

Steam on Linux

Steinchen

Steam on Linux

?

steam works on linux

Super awkward for me atleast compared to Windows

08:54

quite buggy.

Steam on Linux is og xd

08:54

For me it works the same

Jupstar ✪

Could also set a higher limit of like 5k+ points

Sounds reasonable, people with <5k points dont lose that much

Plus proton

steam works fine on linux lol

Iza

Sounds reasonable, people with <5k points dont lose that much

https://ddnet.org/players/heinrich5991/

I often get graphical bugs gg

Use kde for first class valve support xdd

heinrich5991

https://ddnet.org/players/heinrich5991/

Get rekt nobo, better get some more points

heinrich5991

https://ddnet.org/players/heinrich5991/

xd we can make exceptions to those people that we can verify for a certainty

Well 4k points is nothing lmao

Iza

I guess we could do that, get the whole mod team together and i guess it wouldn’t be that hard

first kog registration you need to create your account, then go and create a ticket on discord to ask for the mods to verify you and link your name with your ip adress iirc

Iza

xd we can make exceptions to those people that we can verify for a certainty

no. I will not get special treatment

Iza

xd we can make exceptions to those people that we can verify for a certainty

Exceptions, enemy of developers. We don't like the non-deterministic

(other than trying to influence the rules)

then migration is just create another account on another linked website and maybe use discord if there's a problem but manual verification for mods again

Learath2

Exceptions, enemy of developers. We don't like the non-deterministic

I‘d figured

Moving points is pretty much impossible imo, no point thinking about it

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

first kog registration you need to create your account, then go and create a ticket on discord to ask for the mods to verify you and link your name with your ip adress iirc

Yeah kogs registration is overkill

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

first kog registration you need to create your account, then go and create a ticket on discord to ask for the mods to verify you and link your name with your ip adress iirc

Yeah i saw, we can do something similar

Avo could have simply implemented support in the client

Pls no

08:56

and yea

08:56

client support good

But the closed source gang prefers this

what do they even have to gain by being closed lol

08:57

so weird

So no one steals their kog

2

Just stop supporting the game outside of steam, easy troll

troll

1

Ingame support would be so useful for the Chinese community and for those who aren't allowed to have discord

Learath2

Moving points is pretty much impossible imo, no point thinking about it

Reseting the ladder is also impossible, 10k+ gang won't allow it. Can't have exceptions because rules need to be rigid. That is about where my brain gave out so I stopped thinking about accounts

Steinchen

Ingame support would be so useful for the Chinese community and for those who aren't allowed to have discord

But the chinese community has a discord alternative afaik

Iza

So no one steals their kog

LOL

08:59

Oh no not the only 3 defining, easily-recreatable features

Iza

But the chinese community has a discord alternative afaik

qq right?

Learath2

Reseting the ladder is also impossible, 10k+ gang won't allow it. Can't have exceptions because rules need to be rigid. That is about where my brain gave out so I stopped thinking about accounts

i'd be more than happy with a great reset, ik some people over 15k would too

Steinchen

qq right?

Yeah

Steinchen

Ingame support would be so useful for the Chinese community and for those who aren't allowed to have discord

Lot of trolling would happen and it wont be punishable without accounts oncr again

Jupstar ✪

Avo could have simply implemented support in the client

Would not have been accepted, because we rely on OAuth2, not some pub/priv key pair

Broso56

i'd be more than happy with a great reset, ik some people over 15k would too

„Some“

ofc not many

Learath2

Reseting the ladder is also impossible, 10k+ gang won't allow it. Can't have exceptions because rules need to be rigid. That is about where my brain gave out so I stopped thinking about accounts

I think all points on 1 name -> account wouldn't be too hard

otherwise it wouldnt be a debate xd

Avolicious

Would not have been accepted, because we rely on OAuth2, not some pub/priv key pair

Why didn't u simply use steam auth then

There are only like 300 15k players so we can ignore their opinion

Ewan

I think all points on 1 name -> account wouldn't be too hard

In what way? Technically it's just one sql query so yeah not too hard. Otherwise you need some definitely impossible to automate system to move points

Jupstar ✪

Why didn't u simply use steam auth then

Because there are some players not using steam?

If accounts are implemented.. You would still be able to play on lan/non official servers, right?

Learath2

Reseting the ladder is also impossible, 10k+ gang won't allow it. Can't have exceptions because rules need to be rigid. That is about where my brain gave out so I stopped thinking about accounts

A year ago i would’ve been fine with a great reset, but now that im also apart of the 10k gang i feel their concerns

Iza

A year ago i would’ve been fine with a great reset, but now that im also apart of the 10k gang i feel their concerns

See. Impossible situation meltdown

meltdown

Learath2

Reseting the ladder is also impossible, 10k+ gang won't allow it. Can't have exceptions because rules need to be rigid. That is about where my brain gave out so I stopped thinking about accounts

wait why was removing the ladder even a thought

Avolicious

Because there are some players not using steam?

They can use the overkill process xd

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

wait why was removing the ladder even a thought

No points means no points to move avoiding the issue of associating old points to new accounts

Jupstar ✪

They can use the overkill process xd

Its not overkill, its just for the beginning & we change the process after a certain point. But now people have to get used to it, that we have accounts.

oh right

09:04

seems like a "name has already been taken" problem

Learath2

See. Impossible situation meltdown

meltdown

But i dont really see how keeping the points of 5k+ players would be much of a problem. We just have to implement a verification system (manual probably). As sooner as we start, the better

What KoG ended up with seems to be about all we can also do in terms of moving points. Seeing as how none of you were happy with how they handled it I think that manual mod verification is a no go

3

points currently have no worth imo? even as a 6k point guy i'd get finished so often so where the sense?

Steinchen

points currently have no worth imo? even as a 6k point guy i'd get finished so often so where the sense?

I can see how alot of people would quit, because of a reset

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

seems like a "name has already been taken" problem

Reserved names are also a no go, people want to be anonymous and trolls would reserve all the popular peoples names immediately

Avolicious

Its not overkill, its just for the beginning & we change the process after a certain point. But now people have to get used to it, that we have accounts.

When will u do accounts only servers? Rn most ppl seem to play on non acc servers. Can u share some stats how many ppl have accs and how much it helps with moderation etc... Apparently having the kog community is nice so ddnet knows how not to do it. Not my words xd

kek

1

a reset would prob make the game more fresh for me personally, i'd easily sacrafice 11k points for that if it meant some much needed changes came along

Steinchen

points currently have no worth imo? even as a 6k point guy i'd get finished so often so where the sense?

Points are valuable after the point when you have most of the server list marked as finished greenthing

greenthing

Learath2

Reserved names are also a no go, people want to be anonymous and trolls would reserve all the popular peoples names immediately

discord name change was a chaos OG's got to get names quicker, especially nitro users

I wonder if we could bribe the 10k+ gang with foil ddnet stickers

Personally I want accounts so I try not to think about my 30h ravillion run and some other painful achievements

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Learath2

I wonder if we could bribe the 10k+ gang with foil ddnet stickers

@BaumWolle

nene der hat kein sticker verdient

Steinchen

discord name change was a chaos OG's got to get names quicker, especially nitro users

I saw so many stolen names like „pewdiepie“ „ksi“ etc

der würde damit nur rumprahlen

Learath2

I wonder if we could bribe the 10k+ gang with foil ddnet stickers

ddnet magnet and we have a deal

Jupstar ✪

When will u do accounts only servers? Rn most ppl seem to play on non acc servers. Can u share some stats how many ppl have accs and how much it helps with moderation etc... Apparently having the kog community is nice so ddnet knows how not to do it. Not my words xd

More than 2k accounts, 1836 migrated ones. We see a lot of players playing on non-accounted servers, mostly botters or new players. According to the player related stats, they create their account after 5hrs

Avolicious

More than 2k accounts, 1836 migrated ones. We see a lot of players playing on non-accounted servers, mostly botters or new players. According to the player related stats, they create their account after 5hrs

thats personal, bro

troll

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Avolicious

More than 2k accounts, 1836 migrated ones. We see a lot of players playing on non-accounted servers, mostly botters or new players. According to the player related stats, they create their account after 5hrs

Mh so most accounts existed before if I understand correctly?

Jupstar ✪

Mh so most accounts existed before if I understand correctly?

Nope, everyone had to create a new account

But the non acc servers are always full. Just coincidence?

We had a system before, but we dont use the old one

Avolicious

Nope, everyone had to create a new account

-> to obtain points?

Avolicious

Nope, everyone had to create a new account

Wait how did you solve the points/ranks problem then?

Iza

Wait how did you solve the points/ranks problem then?

They had an old account on their name, released in 2018.

Avolicious

We had a system before, but we dont use the old one

Yes I remember that one. But migrated means they had this old one ?

Jupstar ✪

Yes I remember that one. But migrated means they had this old one ?

Old -> New

09:11

So, yep.

Ah thats what you meant

Learath2

Reserved names are also a no go, people want to be anonymous and trolls would reserve all the popular peoples names immediately

yeah so everything's made confusing because of trolls, linking points to your account would make the /points command weird cuz people would just use the same name anyway and there'd be multiple people with the same name and different points

Steinchen

-> to obtain points?

i don't think so but you get the lil fake logo if you're not logged in

Avolicious

So, yep.

I'm just surprised that only so few actual new accounts were created. Do Chinese ppl not register or what's happening here

Jupstar ✪

I'm just surprised that only so few actual new accounts were created. Do Chinese ppl not register or what's happening here

Chinese is not onboarded yet

09:12

We doing partly rollouts

09:12

Not global

Nice chat as always. I have a flight tomorrow, lot's to do. Cya'll

It seems to me that the skill separates account and non-account players. Most of the non-acc servers are main or easy sometimes hard. Everything beyond that I have only seen on acc servers. Do you think that this will split the comi? @Avolicious

Or do you have plans to completely close the non acc servers?

:v

It seems to me that the skill separates account and non-account players. Most of the non-acc servers are main or easy sometimes hard. Everything beyond that I have only seen on acc servers. Do you think that this will split the comi? @Avolicious

True. I basically only play hard since accs xd

Learath2

Reseting the ladder is also impossible, 10k+ gang won't allow it. Can't have exceptions because rules need to be rigid. That is about where my brain gave out so I stopped thinking about accounts

Make new ladder but keep the old one working. So players get points for his account in a new ladder but they can keep farming the name in the old one.

:v

It seems to me that the skill separates account and non-account players. Most of the non-acc servers are main or easy sometimes hard. Everything beyond that I have only seen on acc servers. Do you think that this will split the comi? @Avolicious

No, imho people always liked to play on full servers. Thats why we offer non accounted servers. New players for example, they like to run in t0 for a time. But we have accounted servers for less trolling, funvoting and some other various reasons and even new players enjoy them.

I mean if it's 50:50 maybe it's a good deal

After 5hrs on non accounted, they create an account and start playing on acc servers

Your first news sounded like accounts only

Accounts are at some point mandatory. Events, Tournaments, Medals, Achievements, Clan System, Ladder and so on

09:17

But for the people who'd like to play just 4 fun and only 30 minutes a month, we still offer non accounted ones

09:18

Or those who not want to create an account for various reasons

09:19

But our experience so far is very good, less complaints, less funvotes, more fun and the community starts to play together ( on acc servers )

Avolicious

Or those who not want to create an account for various reasons

Did you lose a significant amount of players?

Steinchen

Did you lose a significant amount of players?

We increased the playerbase

Why do you think that is?

Because our non acc servers are now consistent in the top order of the internet tab

That is actually surprising

Our community was roughly around 1k people, but we already have 2k accounts (Only Europe and US, excluded Asia, LATAM). That surprised me aswell

Do you think the implementation of an account system brought in a lot of attention?

I'd imagine the skill cap would rise in ddnet because people would actually try harder maps and go for points

Iza

Do you think the implementation of an account system brought in a lot of attention?

Yes ofc, see how this has been discussed on DDNet and people complained about it, so others have seen this and got interested

Steinchen

I'd imagine the skill cap would rise in ddnet because people would actually try harder maps and go for points

More people would definitely try harder

Iza

More people would definitely try harder

I don't see why tbh

09:25

are you unsure if the points of the player named Iza belong to you?

09:25

right now

I had often had brutals finished for me even tho i never touched them

Because they have something to achieve on their own account knowing that no one can take the pride of achievement from them. Because there is no faking anymore, no finishing for others etc (edited)

why can we not just transfer all points from name Ewan to the account of name Ewan? the name now has 0 points. this is just like the existing point transfers. if you’re careful it’s easy to automate

I'd say wipe all points its pretty known that top players get finished all the time Look at china you just ask for finish and they instantly give you. its insane

heinrich5991

are you unsure if the points of the player named Iza belong to you?

I am pretty sure that 99% of my points were made by me. It could be that some maps were unknowingly finished

09:27

But are the others sure? That is the question

09:28

Do they believe you

Steinchen

I'd say wipe all points its pretty known that top players get finished all the time Look at china you just ask for finish and they instantly give you. its insane

You cant wipe. People are playing this game for YEARS

If you now wipe the points, they will not continue playing

it sounds like you want to create a new moderation category

09:28

"account sharing"

heinrich5991

"account sharing"

This is why I am against using a SQL query for accounts

you need something stateful

09:30

Like a hashmap (accountid) -> [(server_node_id, 127.0.0.1), (server_node_id, 127.0.0.1)]

09:31

After someone logged in you start a "session", after he leaves, close the session

heinrich5991

"account sharing"

Even if account sharing would be a thing, it won’t be as nearly as bad as someone having the convenience to just quickly change their name ingame, mid-run to gift someone points

09:31

So I think that sorta stuff will happen wayy less

Someone want play the map "DeathHook" with me ? i never finished it, and she doesn't seem that long.

Iza

Even if account sharing would be a thing, it won’t be as nearly as bad as someone having the convenience to just quickly change their name ingame, mid-run to gift someone points

that's something we currently do not moderate. if you want to start moderating that, it's going to be extra work due to the account system

Iza

Even if account sharing would be a thing, it won’t be as nearly as bad as someone having the convenience to just quickly change their name ingame, mid-run to gift someone points

If this is not longer possible many players will no longer play a map twice.

heinrich5991

that's something we currently do not moderate. if you want to start moderating that, it's going to be extra work due to the account system

If it means that I have to use the current teehistorian version as it is then no xd

:v

If this is not longer possible many players will no longer play a map twice.

Why shouldn’t they play a map twice?

Lionheart

Someone want play the map "DeathHook" with me ? i never finished it, and she doesn't seem that long.

I think you can go ahead and ask in #questions , or else your message will be buried quickly here

i played a few maps like 50 times with the same name

09:35

i already play with him

09:35

lol

Iza

I think you can go ahead and ask in #questions , or else your message will be buried quickly here

what happened to the LFG channel? I noticed a while ago that it was removed

we had an lfg channel?

Broso56

what happened to the LFG channel? I noticed a while ago that it was removed

Yeah it was removed because the activity fell off and people were using it alot to troll towards the end

sadge

Steinchen

I'd say wipe all points its pretty known that top players get finished all the time Look at china you just ask for finish and they instantly give you. its insane

idk what top # are you talking about but i cant agree with that xD i doubt that most of the players would want to get finishes by doing nothing

well its about trolling people finishing maps for them even tho they dont want it

09:38

when people ask for it they are just sad

like i know a guy who gets a lot of finishes gifted and everyone around me makes fun of him

does that really happen often though? for unfinished maps

Steinchen

I'd say wipe all points its pretty known that top players get finished all the time Look at china you just ask for finish and they instantly give you. its insane

and for people who just get their points themselves? what about them

@Broso56 yes it does

interesting

BroboTheNobo

most toprank point players let others finish novice/moderates because they focus on insane's and stuff all the time

ӎěłŏƞ

most toprank point players let others finish novice/moderates because they focus on insane's and stuff all the time

starkiller:

i do that one all the time. thats ur main right

^

Because most of the big teams we see playing these days, contains players who finished the map and players who dont. If we take away the possibility to give away a finish there will quickly arise a situation were players will ask themselves why they should play the map at all. We see this kinda behaviour after a "big" map got released and close to eveyone got a finish best example teestroyer / Cerberus / Aincrad /. @Iza (edited)

Ewan

i do that one all the time. thats ur main right

BroboTheProbo*

novice maps are a hasstle to finish when you're good because you can't be as fast as you want justatest

justatest

LoL

It doesnt happen often if trolls cant finish what you havent already troll

troll

So the lesson is get a lot of points before you get noticed greenthing

greenthing

Cendren plays teestroyer every chance he gets, he finished it a few times, doesnt seem to bother him because he still finishes with his main name

09:39

i think thats a whataboutism argument

ӎěłŏƞ

most toprank point players let others finish novice/moderates because they focus on insane's and stuff all the time

ig that makes sense, easier maps they dont want to bother with

09:40

i dont even have all novices, probably never will for a while

Gazebr

It doesnt happen often if trolls cant finish what you havent already troll

troll

So the lesson is get a lot of points before you get noticed greenthing

greenthing

i'm already getting noticed about my skills at ~500 points

wow such skilz

so i just play on really small servers to get my points

09:40

with my dummy

@Iza No one plays these maps except a large team where almost 80% have a finish and they still play the map because they can give it away.

:v

Because most of the big teams we see playing these days, contains players who finished the map and players who dont. If we take away the possibility to give away a finish there will quickly arise a situation were players will ask themselves why they should play the map at all. We see this kinda behaviour after a "big" map got released and close to eveyone got a finish best example teestroyer / Cerberus / Aincrad /. @Iza (edited)

Well I'd say it is what people will have to deal with. I was never a fan of gifting or receiving points. I personally have no problem with replaying maps, it’s all fun in the end

2

playing for fun > playing for points

i play for points but i still see myself on alot of maps just chilling, even on kog, in t0 tbh (edited)

I think gifting finishes makes no sense

4

Iza

Well I'd say it is what people will have to deal with. I was never a fan of gifting or receiving points. I personally have no problem with replaying maps, it’s all fun in the end

So it should also not be possible to swap ?

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

so i just play on really small servers to get my points

Seems like in every game once you get the general idea about the game you start to play on empty servers with friends more

What's the point of getting a finish if you didn't play the map?

Gazebr

Seems like in every game once you get the general idea about the game you start to play on empty servers with friends more

i do that but without the friends part gigachad

gigachad

pilonpl

What's the point of getting a finish if you didn't play the map?

free points

I mean it works so why not kek

kek

some people just ask for finish if they can do it and are just rly lazy

DER PISSBOT NIMMT MEINEN NAMEN HER

09:42

ICH FLIPP AUS

pilonpl

I think gifting finishes makes no sense

i think its fun. if someones asks for finish i just ask "sucks" to their name and finish :p

:v

So it should also not be possible to swap ?

That’s a good question but it is a rather small problem compared to the many big problems we’ll have to deal with when we’re starting to implement accounts

2

somone finish for me >~<

The only gift finish I see fit is if you play with dummy and your main dies, but it seems like dummies might not even survive after accounts are implemented

Gazebr

The only gift finish I see fit is if you play with dummy and your main dies, but it seems like dummies might not even survive after accounts are implemented

I think NO ONE suggested getting rid of dummies in the context of accounts yet

1

what if your account was decoupled from points entirely and was just used for auth and user accountability

Gazebr

The only gift finish I see fit is if you play with dummy and your main dies, but it seems like dummies might not even survive after accounts are implemented

We can't remove dummies because of dummy maps lol

:v

So it should also not be possible to swap ?

swap wasn't made for points gifting at the first place anyway

heinrich5991

I think NO ONE suggested getting rid of dummies in the context of accounts yet

Im pretty sure it was suggested a lot in general, especially after season 2 announcement

Gazebr

The only gift finish I see fit is if you play with dummy and your main dies, but it seems like dummies might not even survive after accounts are implemented

I wouldn’t even call it gift, its just literally you

2

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

swap wasn't made for points gifting at the first place anyway

thats right but wev to take that into consideration when we talk about it. =)

Gazebr

Im pretty sure it was suggested a lot in general, especially after season 2 announcement

why would an entire game mechanic be removed just for the sake of making accounts though

Cuz a lot of ppl hate dummies when in reality they should hate dummy players who cant use dummy correctly

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

why would an entire game mechanic be removed just for the sake of making accounts though

Bros forgetting the name of the game is „dummy drag race“

I think it should be impossible to gift finishes but /swap can be useful ngl

Any DDNet mobile pros around? happy

happy

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i've played ctf on the phone.. not ddnet tho, now i am curious

I couldn't even finish tutorial

@Headshot arent you decent at fng on mobile or no xd

deen

Any DDNet mobile pros around? happy

happy

Im not a mobile pro but i am very impressed

And my phone turn into a heater

also yea i only use mobile ddnet to spectate players if im not home

seems ok with controller

Also idk if 60hz would look good, i got used to 165hz

i love how sure this guy is that he is the best mobile china player

Would be cool to try it out on my OUYA if we can get the current version compiled for Android kek

kek

1

kek

1

There is no ddnet for ios right? Just making sure

Adapting mouse controls for a controller is a sin for already, and in ddnet its even worse because its a precision platformer

Iza

There is no ddnet for ios right? Just making sure

No, I don't think so, we'd need to pay fees to apple to even develop apps

Gazebr

Adapting mouse controls for a controller is a sin for already, and in ddnet its even worse because its a precision platformer

huh?

Robyt3

No, I don't think so, we'd need to pay fees to apple to even develop apps

Yeah that’s the thing

Iza

There is no ddnet for ios right? Just making sure

Would apple even allow ddnet on the app store?

Robyt3

No, I don't think so, we'd need to pay fees to apple to even develop apps

fees only for publishing

Ewan

fees only for publishing

Are the developer tools free now?

i believe so

09:51

but idk

pilonpl

Would apple even allow ddnet on the app store?

Not sure. Apple isn’t too strict on games, compared to other app categories

the apple developer program is free to register and use, the publishing is whats expensive

Ewan

huh?

Like every game I played which had mouse and controller as a use to "look around" was way worse to play with the latter

how do you even play ddnet on phone ? how do you move, hook ?

09:53

i don't see how you can play teeworld without a keyboard and a mouse

you ever played minecraft on a phone?

09:53

works exactly the same

Minecraft is a thing, never player on phone but i can maybe see how

09:54

but not with teeworld

Basically aim first, then do the thing with a button xD

you have a little 360 knob to aim, and 2 buttons to shoot or hook

09:55

the knob beeing touch.. obviously

Have you played with a gamecontroller yet? You move your tee with one stick and aim with the other. It would work similar to that but with just a touch screen emulating the sticks.

Yeah but, what i mean is, how thi is possible to like playing the game with a controller or phone

hud

I can't play FIFA with a keyboard, it's horrible

09:56

I can"t play a FPS without a keyboard, it isn't fun

flag_unk

But teeworld without a mouse ... my god

ӎěłŏƞ

the apple developer program is free to register and use, the publishing is whats expensive

Theoretically we could make ddnet ios available to sideload. But I don’t know how legal that would be

legality is not the issue. it’s just very inconvenient

09:57

for everyone

09:57

must be signed still

ios might soon be forced to allow app sideloading I think

i mean you can play ddnet without needing to sideload the actual ddnet client on ios

Hopefully

only in EU tho

its just.. inconvenient to play ddnet without the client

I hope they don’t fight around it and delay it, like with the usb c thing going on with eu and apple

Tater

ios might soon be forced to allow app sideloading I think

Idk how people buy apple products when they block basic functions lol

not my problem lol

09:59

just don't buy apple

pilonpl

Idk how people buy apple products when they block basic functions lol

Because those people don’t need those „basic“ functions, when apple is already offering them a good enough environment (edited)

10:00

To those people who willingly buy apple products

revanced alone is enough of a reason to stay on android for me

Idk, for me an iPhone would a downgrade from my current phone lol

iPhones are made to be accessible to everyone and easily usable, thats why they dont have much configuration options

10:02

because that would confuse the ooga booga rich kids

That’s by far not the only appeal of apple, I’m sure you all are familiar with the ecosystem

for legal reasons i own an iphone

i have both and the sim is in my iphone

10:04

it’s just better imo

I would consider it if they added sideloading

the apps are just better. the ui is just better. integral features are usually more useful, and most things are done well where on android they are either nonexistent or implemented by the OEM (shittily)

Iphones would be much better if apple didn't intentionally make them shittier

which apps require you to have sideloading?

none

10:06

but it would allow stuff like vanced

10:06

undermining the app store

yeah thats not gonna happen

which is totally in their right to restrict. and should be

10:06

even tho i dont like it

simply because that wouldnt add up to apple store's 3rd party application thingy

10:06

and vanced will never get approved

10:06

for example

Ewan

which is totally in their right to restrict. and should be

not in EU

kek

shrug

10:07

u don’t see iphones with usbc either

new iphone has it tho

Ewan

which is totally in their right to restrict. and should be

I don't think it should be tolerated to intentionally make bad products just to sell more stuff like chargers and icloud

wdym intentionally make bad products

10:08

the build quality on everything apple i own is fantastic

I wanna hear about one bad apple product

Apple still uses shitty lightning connectors so they can make more money of of selling them

Okay that is shitty but that doesn’t crush everything else they have (edited)

it allows them to hold the standard for the cable their device uses. they don’t have absolute control over USB, who can manufacture a cable & how to determine whether it meets standards

10:11

yes it makes them more money but if it’s one or the other it rly doesn’t matter. apple has eliminated the need to transfer data via. cable, its main use is to charge the phone and nowadays that’s only sometimes

10:12

so it’s just as good as far as I’m concerned

Usb C is much better and mich kess wasteful and goof for the environment

10:12

They intentionally produce cables that are made to fail (edited)

do they

And they also kill their older phones so people buy new ones

do they

At Les they did that

10:13

Idk if they still do

10:14

But that just show what they're willing to do for profit

10:14

I just don't get it why people support such company

when lightning first released my dad would constantly complain about the cables breaking after a few months but they seem ok now (edited)

when they do that it’s in order to not hold back new iOS releases. They can maintain multiple versions of the OS for different phones, or they can just have a cutoff that allows the newer phones to use the best of their features

10:15

the latter is much better usually

10:15

I haven’t had a lightning cable break on me since my iphone 5.

Iza

I hope they don’t fight around it and delay it, like with the usb c thing going on with eu and apple

they're not delaying the USB C thing AFAIK

but I’ve been using wireless charging recently

Ok but just let the user know their phone won't recive any further updates instead of breaking the device

they do

10:15

lol

10:16

my little brother has a 6s, it still works just fine on iOS 15

heinrich5991

they're not delaying the USB C thing AFAIK

I thought the eu wanted apple to already have switched to usb c, some time ago. But apple slowed the process down, that’s all i know

tho I remember eventually my iphone 4 wouldn’t turn on. could have been related to updates but I don’t think it was deliberate. even at the time there were laws against that

10:17

i think apple is trying to eliminate the port altogether before they add usbc, lolol

Even if they don't kill older phones with software they still put small batteries in iphones so they fail faster

10:19

I know iphones are more energy efficient

10:19

But still seems pretty suspicious

10:19

And ofc you can't repair your phone

10:20

I mean only apple can repair iphones

Iza

I thought the eu wanted apple to already have switched to usb c, some time ago. But apple slowed the process down, that’s all i know

the law takes effect 2024, the next iphone is likely to have USB C already

My sister got an android at the same time I got my iPhone and her battery barely lasts a day. Mine lasts 3-4 still

they delayed the "everybody should agree on one port" though

pilonpl

Even if they don't kill older phones with software they still put small batteries in iphones so they fail faster

I haven’t heard about this. Just sounds unnecessary with how most people charge their phone nightly

Ewan

My sister got an android at the same time I got my iPhone and her battery barely lasts a day. Mine lasts 3-4 still

My Android phone lasts a day so i think that's enough

To be fair I charge it to full when the battery is <20%. that was better for the battery than charging nightly unconditionally, last i heard (edited)

It probably doesn't matter

10:22

Just charge the battery whenever it's convenient for you

that’s a good way to ensure its death within 1-2 yrs

10:23

especially when battery replacements always require removing the glass backs, now

10:23

be nice to ur battery

Ewan

especially when battery replacements always require removing the glass backs, now

EU wants to stop this actually

I have my desktop PC following me everywhere and tell the ppl that their phone sucks

10:24

At least in my dreams

Lol

heinrich5991

the law takes effect 2024, the next iphone is likely to have USB C already

or no port at all

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Ewan

that’s a good way to ensure its death within 1-2 yrs

i havent had a single issue with my phone for 3y, and ive done this

10:24

well not 24/7 but usually when im asleep

u have the 11 or 12?

I have my phone for 3 years and it work just fine

oh if ur talking about apple specifically then ignore me xd

yea

i dont have an iphone

i also dunno what’s good for batteries nowadays

10:26

that’s just what i heard a while ago

10:26

i think we’re still on the same kind of battery so i go with it

I don't want to use my phone that much anyways so idk why i would buy and expensive phone that is actually shittier for the stuff i do on my phone lol. I only really watch youtube and use apps like discord, messenger. That's pretty much it (edited)

I heard its the best to always keep your battery between 20%-80%

i dont think i'd ever get an iphone, if it was randomly gifted to me and it was a lot better than my current phone i'd go with it but with the choice i'd rather just get an android of the same price

Iza

I heard its the best to always keep your battery between 20%-80%

the OS takes care of the ceiling for u now

10:27

has for a little while

just more customization and flexibility, granted i dont really do much with my phone anyways, basically same thing as pilon said

10:28

only other thing i use it for is camera

i just like stability over other stuff

My phone costed like 270 euro so much cheaper than an iphone

10:29

And it does everything i want it to do

10:29

Battery survived

10:29

The camera is pretty good

10:29

3 cameras actually

10:30

Or maybe 5 even

10:30

~~thats a lot of caneras lol~~

10:30

It might be a bit worse than iphones cameras

10:31

Idk actually

10:32

If i wanted to have a good camera i would buy an actual camera (edited)

deen

or no port at all

I think apple said they're going to include a USB C port. they could just go on and use lightning for the current one if they wanted to, the law only takes effect in 2024

There has to be a catch

10:41

Apple wouldn't just agree

why not? they have a scapegoat for the transition, and the transition is good for technical reasons

Usb C is a lot better than their lightning connectors

10:46

And i guess that's bad for them for some reason

10:46

Idk

They are probably losing millions in revenue from their lightning license program

Also people now can just buy cheap usb cables anch charge their premium apple products with them

10:47

Unacceptable

10:49

It's nice to see that eu does something useful

They have been pretty slay w.r.t. consumer protections lately

Maybe they'll do something about drm too

unlikely

10:55

but they're doing something about mandatory app stores

(edited)

Drm is way too big

@Robyt3

troll

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Also most people like intellectual property

bruh the bot went from advertising twitch to asking for pron on discord

(edited)

LMFAOOO

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monkaS

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monkalaugh

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Steinchen

@Robyt3

troll

first guy is the most random fucked up name ever tho

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

first guy is the most random fucked up name ever tho

xD

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11:01

maybe hes the one behind it?

11:01

and was so dumb to reveal

nah i don't think so

11:04

he takes good people's names

Steinchen

xD

He is YouTuber

11:05

666 subs

no name

Steinchen

LMFAOOO

Main problem that this is not YouTuber

11:05

There is hater

11:05

That can do millions of bots

Steinchen

maybe hes the one behind it?

wait he's streaming actually

11:18

idk

11:18

advertising the channel of the same name

11:18

but could be a bot to try and make him get mass reported

Steinchen

xD

no

11:24

this guy is good

11:24

im good friend with them

welp fair enough he just snipes random streamers

𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏

he takes good people's names

he didn't take my name. sad.

Broso56

@Headshot arent you decent at fng on mobile or no xd

decent at falsely getting banned by noby's antibot that's for sure

Headshot

decent at falsely getting banned by noby's antibot that's for sure

gigachad

Headshot

decent at falsely getting banned by noby's antibot that's for sure

lmfao

13:35

true

Headshot

decent at falsely getting banned by noby's antibot that's for sure

Headbot

13:47

kek

Hello everyone, I ask you to pay attention to the moderators on the zCatch mode, cheaters often began to appear there, yesterday I came in, today, always cheaters

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13:59

Thank you in advance

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15:44

do you usually report these?

deen

Any DDNet mobile pros around? happy

happy

does he use an external keyboard or something? im in huge doubt he can do the moves with the joystick

If u know some players form HK pls msg me poggers2

poggers2

@0x314 why leave :c

Vappy

@0x314 why leave :c

wanted to play forza horizon 5

Just saw new film "Barbie" staring Ryan Gosling and i think he's LITERALLY me

18:42

Barbenheimer

r/place

Soo.. whats the plan? rplace

rplace

(edited)

I wrote it in off topic

19:07

But i will not be there tho feelsbadman

feelsbadman

wow, people have finally left sus'terism

Chairn

wow, people have finally left sus'terism

https://ddnet.org/stats/maps/insane/ we better see the map here

That is most finished, not most played

lol, most regular server https://ddnet.org/stats/maps/novice/

are servers down?

https://ddnet.org/status/ every server is up

23:03

i guess master server is having problems again?

Sorry, switching to new server

23:07

also new master server

:o

Try restarting client

sure

23:08

oop, still no servers found

you are using ddnet client, right?

yeah

23:09

downloaded it from ddnet.org

I have an idea, does it work now?

no

in F1, does it show that you are downloading from master2 or master1?

yeah, all servers dead

there is fng, zcatch, bomb, etc but no ddrace

Restarting the client is the fix

23:10

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https://i.imgur.com/D7Z1VVL.png ddnet/players

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deen

in F1, does it show that you are downloading from master2 or master1?

master2

all back for me^^

Yek

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However the problem persists

Yek

Restarting the client is the fix

didn't work

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it does work now

There seems to be a lag when trying to update the list it works but not as fast as before

-StormAx

https://i.imgur.com/D7Z1VVL.png ddnet/players

Thanks, fixed

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Flexxita

master2

@heinrich5991 can you switch master2 to replicate from the new master1 server please? ip is in #admin

23:15

for now I disabled master2

can someone make a petscop skin?

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