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Between 2023-07-15 00:00:00Z and 2023-07-16 00:00:00Z
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2ded9e2 A run_Div, A run_Div2 - ddnet-maps
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deen is online late currently.. i smell smth comming
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giftee_red
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Reported by texnonik:
i don't know how i did it , but i guess when i pressed layer in group and unholdet it glitched . ( maybe with shift key ) now i almost can't do anythink .
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/assets/23437060/b50c1458-6399-408e-8c3d-8ec7cf959eee
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``` DDNet.exe caused an Access Violation at location 00007FF774487062 in module DDNet.exe Reading from location 000001F0417C4040. AddrPC Params 00007FF774487062 000001F05A307A48 00007FFFF1F810A0 0000000000000000 DDNet.exe!CSkins::LoadSkinPNG+0x48 [src/game/client/components/skins.cpp @ 124] 122: { 123: char aBuf[512];
124: if(!Graphics()->LoadPNG(&Info, pPath, DirType))
125: { 126: str_format(aBuf, sizeof(aBuf), "failed to load skin from %s", pName); 0000...
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When first launching the client, keep the server list scrolled to the top instead of scrolling to the selected server. Closes #6845.

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Otherwise this would cause issues when showing multiple confirm popups at the same time.

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Closes #6856.

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dd06e9a Initially keep server list scrolled to the top - Robyt3
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@Vy0x2 Do you have a crash dump? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6854
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Sorry no crash but i get timed out ingame
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@Robyt3
09:53
So it's like the problem with bans or any other rcon command that prints too many messages
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I think that it is very likely exactly that yes
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work queue icons
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submit queue
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ba94727 Use member instead of static variables for confirm popup buttons - Robyt3
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My main complain about the github merge queue is that it's one additional click now. Previously I could just write bors r+ in the review. Now have to manually click buttons after the review. But not that bad
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9788763 Use member instead of static variables in CGameClient - Robyt3
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error: failed to compile twmap-tools v0.3.1 (/home/runner/work/ddnet/ddnet/twmap/twmap-tools), intermediate artifacts can be found at /home/runner/work/ddnet/ddnet/twmap/target Caused by: package half v2.3.1 cannot be built because it requires rustc 1.70 or newer, while the currently active rustc version is 1.69.0 Either upgrade to rustc 1.70 or newer, or use cargo update -p half@2.3.1 --precise ver where ver is the latest version of half supporting rustc 1.69.0 ...
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53fad54 Fix editor modified state not updated for server settings changes - Robyt3
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Robyt3
So it's like the problem with bans or any other rcon command that prints too many messages
We diagnosed this before iirc, it's just that the sendq gets completely full, vital messages get dropped and the client can never recover because the next vital it expects is no longer in the backroom
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So we should add a ringbuffer for outgoing rcon messages?
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It's not just rcon messages, all vital messages suffer from this iirc
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just replace the static limit with some growable data structure
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Jupstar ✪
just replace the static limit with some growable data structure
Yeah maybe just replace it with a vector and call it a day
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i lately saw this: https://github.com/spuhpointer/stack-vs-heap-benchmark and was surprised and did some own benchmarks, bcs i wanted to reduce some heap allocations in my app. If you actually fill the data structure you allocated, it's indeed very close between heap and stack.. If you use smth like clone_from it's ofc MUCH faster with an preallocated buffer. But if you copy every element one by one it's almost same speed.. similar to the graph shown in this benchmark https://raw.githubusercontent.com/spuhpointer/stack-vs-heap-benchmark/master/filled2.png (edited)
This benchmark seeks to find out how significant faster stack allocation is versus heap - GitHub - spuhpointer/stack-vs-heap-benchmark: This benchmark seeks to find out how significant faster stack...
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265eb69 Destroy engine before graphics (fixes #6857) - def-
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The nice part about stack allocation is that it's trivial to reason about it's lifetime
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And maybe in a larger overall program if you only have stack allocations you might get some performance benefits due to the locality principlw
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isnt there smth like smallvec in cpp
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smallvec resides in stack up to N and then moves to heap
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growable
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9f43fd2 Fix twmap installation in CI - def- aa817a8 Increase wait times in integration test to reduce flakiness - Robyt3
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llvm has its own version in their core
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code
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Ryozuki
smallvec resides in stack up to N and then moves to heap
Now that would actually be nice
11:55
It'd be great to have it still stay local for most people and only move to heap for authed mods thar get a flood of messages
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ye just put high N
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or the N we have rn
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xd
11:56
this might be cool to code
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ill look into it today
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pls dont do it yet
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gigachad
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good morning chat
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@Learath2 im eating out in a turkish place
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not bad
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but probs bad accoridng to real turkish standards
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or idk
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no good morning wow i see how it is
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Ewan
good morning chat
morning
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never had turkish food
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kebab?
11:58
seen it
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they speak turkish
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 im eating out in a turkish place
Is it just kebab or a proper turkish place?
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Learath2
Is it just kebab or a proper turkish place?
proper
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i didnt eat kebab
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its a proper plate
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i should hwve taken pic
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but too late i ate it all
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Ah, turkish food is very very diverse, lots of different things
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u ever get sunburn
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i try nor to
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i always forget
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but one day i forgot solar thing
12:01
and got sunburnt
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sunscreen is rank shit i don't like it
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in a mountain
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it's better than sunburn but not my buch lol
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by much
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xdd
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i hate yard sale
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circulate your abundance of shit with other ppl who have an abundance of shit
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Ewan
by much
Not getting skin cancer is a good plus
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yea that's why it's better
12:02
i prefer the feel of burn to being gooped up all the time
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Maybe try different brand? I used to have a oilless one back when I still touched some grass
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damn i didn't know they made that
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i like the spray better but it's a much worse deal
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and u have to go somewhere to do it
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so ppl aren't breathing in sunscreen
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my washing machine is designed so stupid
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if it gets overfilled it doesn't know until most of the way through the cycle (fine i guess) but then it locks itself with the water in it
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and stops
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so u can't get it out ?????
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have to unplug and wait 20 minutes for lock to go
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Ewan
if it gets overfilled it doesn't know until most of the way through the cycle (fine i guess) but then it locks itself with the water in it
I'd guess some part of it gets overwhelmed rather than it detecting it's overfilled
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it's a particular error code, it knows it's overfilled
pepeW 1
12:06
it also lumps it in with a drainage issue which is the same thing to diagnose
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but it also doesn't make sense to lock* in that case (edited)
12:06
because usually u pump out w/ shop vac
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Oh wait this isn't #off-topic LOL
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Learath2
It'd be great to have it still stay local for most people and only move to heap for authed mods thar get a flood of messages
but the resend logic is on the sender side right? so if a packet drops for 20 seconds i'd simply call that a timeout too
12:11
so the server should never fill a buffer "too" much i guess
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Jupstar ✪
so the server should never fill a buffer "too" much i guess
Mh the packets are marked vital. The server has no option but to queue them
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yes
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but its at max packets / second * 20 then
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so i doubt its too much to buffer
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its just important to timeout if a packet is resend for over 20 seconds
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so the client has no attack vendor
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But that has nothing to do with what I said btw. I meant lets let the queue grow for bursts but keep the queue in the class so we don't pay an indirection in most cases
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oh ok
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For mods when they get a burst it can grow and go onto the stack with sth like smallvec
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Heap*
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i mean tbf it already is on the heap right now
12:14
just part of a class object
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Yeah different part of heap is what concerns me
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well in theory this makes attacks harder
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bcs position independent
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anyway
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i thought u meant it like only trusted ppl can grow the buffer
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Probably doesnt matter all that much since we have a fair bit margin on the critical path for now, but if we ever get too close every feature pr from then on will need to be also messing around with shaving a couple ms to fit theirs in
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i already find it annoying that rcon commands fill so slow 😬
12:16
gotta waste that traffic
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Jupstar ✪
i already find it annoying that rcon commands fill so slow 😬
Yeah that one is sadly a protocol limitation
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I send it as fast as we can iirc
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a list of strings lmao
12:17
fast af
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Every day between 1400 and 1500 my chromecast will randomly restart. I'm about to go insane
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does it send it one by one? 😄
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Learath2
Every day between 1400 and 1500 my chromecast will randomly restart. I'm about to go insane
high tec
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It'll restart in the middle of a youtube video or music
12:17
google hardware products seem rly unstable in my experience
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Jupstar ✪
does it send it one by one? 😄
Yes, I guess we can redo it with extended protocol now. That extension was made both for tw and ddrace at the same time using old netmsgs
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all modern products are unstable af we need to go back to linux 1 and try again
12:18
xd
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Jupstar ✪
all modern products are unstable af we need to go back to linux 1 and try again
Yes, my grandmothers nokia 3310 still works perfectly
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i still experience crackling in bluetooth headset sometimes
12:19
in 2023
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xd
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Learath2
Yes, my grandmothers nokia 3310 still works perfectly
it will cease to work in France starting 2025, kinda already started for Free operator
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it can tell me the weather
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Jupstar ✪
i still experience crackling in bluetooth headset sometimes
At airports my bluetooth earphones will randomly experience cutouts from the extremely congested airspace
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but it cannot run stable af
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Chairn
it will cease to work in France starting 2025, kinda already started for Free operator
No more 1g support?
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2g and 3g will be taken down
12:20
but lots of people disagree and wants the government to impose the 2g to stay (edited)
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Turkey will keep 2g and 3g for a couple more decades. We are very poor 😄
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Jupstar ✪
i still experience crackling in bluetooth headset sometimes
isnt this due to bluetooth changing frequency channel? it does it automatically iirc when it notices its disturbed or wmth
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i have no idea xDD
12:23
i just noticed that on windows its the worst
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with same bt adapter
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I just wish I could still use my wired IEMs
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why can't you
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Ewan
why can't you
No headphone jack anymore
12:25
i took u for a mobile dac kind of guy
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Ewan
i took u for a mobile dac kind of guy
I was going to get a small dac as a reward to myself for having a flawless exam session, but I failed at the very last second
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ithink i read about that. very unfortunate
12:26
dude i am so peeved at discord design
12:27
why is it when im typing sometimes a stupid ass sticker comes up, and when i press the up arrow key, it adds it???
12:27
don't they know that's what ppl use to go to the start of a text <input>
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idiots
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Hi
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lol
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😭
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murpi
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why the fuck do you use your apps in german xDD
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I live in germany 👀
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wtf
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@Jupstar ✪ didn't know murpi was 🍺
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he isnt
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thats the point
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im not german 😄
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Ohoooo
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what is this ?
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leddproxYT
what is this ?
#✉-create-a-ticket
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its obiously a spammer
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murpi
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37°C right now, but there's a freaking wind with it, it burns you......
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  • Fixed a bug where the index was outside the bounds of the array
  • Increased the log time to 10 minutes (600 seconds)

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Problem: Some player groups are regularly kicking every other player off a server in order to accomplish a team 0 speedrun, giving Mods/Admin trouble moderating. Our take: We don't want to discourage team 0 speedrunning but we also don't want to offer the average player a bad experience by instantly getting kicked off a server. Previous discussions:
  • Passwording a server can work but it feels like giving these players a privilege, creates confusion and completely relies ...
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 14:35:17Z
fuck you animepdf
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since this channel is a weather-sharing then i would like to share my weather too (edited)
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 14:48:05Z
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ip based geolocation never works ._. this is ma actual weather
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ChillerDragon
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 14:54:14Z
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ah no this is correct one
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idk how to check wether i never do :D
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ye rigged i do not live in louis town
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ChillerDragon
fuck you animepdf
BLEHHHH
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ChillerDragon
idk how to check wether i never do :D
type weather in your browser
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7f100e2 Fix bug, increase dump_log max seconds to 10min - Vy0x2
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 16:37:46Z
when delete teams on ddnet?
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on full servers there are always some trols blocking slots in teams
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start by deleting team 0
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we don't kick afk players
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Draft to make quad point selection easier. To work properly this will need #6844. Since this change was inspired by blender the hitbox is currently quite big. If two points are within range the nearest one is chosen. !pointselection

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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 17:13:56Z
i dont say kick afk
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i say delete teams
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i say delete chiller
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whats wrong with teams
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:34:36Z
they block slots for no gain
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imo there should always only one team per server
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sharing slots accross unrelated game state makes no sense
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so what if you want to play with a friend on the server you lag on the least but the One Team is taken by 2 ppl afking
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:37:29Z
its not like the 2 afks will block you
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but the team is locked (edited)
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and t0 will block you
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:38:10Z
2 afks dont block
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:40:28Z
they afk how would they block you
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you cant join the team, the team is locked
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:40:56Z
ah you meak deleting teams means keeping lock feature?
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yea i guess some people really need that lock
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sure then unlock on afk
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what does "only one team per server" mean the
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then
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:41:48Z
in my head it was just deleting teams
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but your suggesting is probably less feature removing
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so only t0?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:41:59Z
yes
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welp time to get constantly blocked by noobs
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unless we somehow get a decent automod
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Somehow git branch --merged no longer works after we started using GitHub merge queue. I previously used this command in a script to delete merged branches automatically. Now git branch -d PR-Branch also says error: The branch 'PR-Branch' is not fully merged. for branches that have been merged with the merge queue.
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so bors isnt a thing anymore?
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At least for us
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well we rebase and merge
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GitHub does everything already and bors is going away for private users
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maybe bcs it rewrites the history your script thinks the pr is not fully merged
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bcs it differs
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Players blocking slots that do not interact with others seems like waste. If one wants to play alone or with a hand full friends that should happen on a new server. If joining players interrupting your doings are a problem it should be possible to lock down a server. A locked server lets new players join spec. And only in game players can invite players or call votes. This also fixes map votes interrupting the gameplay of teams. Alternative solutions would be having 64 slots for every te...
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Hmm, so if it rebases then it's not the same commit anymore
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chillerdragon seriously
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:45:50Z
yes
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seems sensible doesnt it?
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i can fully understand your arguments
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but removing is just stupid af
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:46:10Z
why
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i dont want to play with nobos just bcs u think its great
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:46:28Z
you dont have to
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just pick a new server and lock it down
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chiller what if all the servers that dont lag me are taken
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:46:54Z
how often does that happen?
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donate more servers then
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xDDDd
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ChillerDragon
just pick a new server and lock it down
damn imagine locking a 64max server for just you and a friens
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mega ego
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:47:27Z
less players take up less ressources
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ChillerDragon
donate more servers then
no money
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why is it so important to you that 2 slots are blocked
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:47:32Z
can also spawn more servers than
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u could even say 64p servers are already too big
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:47:51Z
64p servers are way too empty
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and there is always slots by teamers blocked
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sometimes even full teams of 8 players
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just makes no sense
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so if they so empty, why does it matter if a few slots are taken
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:48:28Z
if you really have to team do it somewhere where you do not take slots of t0
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because every tee counts
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on ger servers u could try 128p servers
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but as if it matters
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chiller why didnt you just go to a different server
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nobo
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:49:14Z
thats more complicated to implement
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but sure would be epic
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even in team 0 there are often smaller groups
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:49:29Z
@Voxel wdym?
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if the map is large giving more tees into the server wont solve anything
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:49:52Z
@Voxel i am in a team with 60 players in t0 and 4 dudes decide to block slots how does me leaving fix anything?
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@Jupstar ✪ and these groups might meet its so fun about t0
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are most of the 60 players actually playing
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:50:32Z
no
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there are afks too
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actually yknow what would be funny
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:50:44Z
probably most playing
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but not all
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u could maybe convince me to make team disabled servers
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rate limit multeasymap to 32 players
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but removing the whole feature wont happen
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:51:16Z
i propose a team disabled server to deen once a year since years
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playing in smaller teams gives more skill anyway
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:51:40Z
lerato, heinrich and deen made it clear there wont be any extra servers
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chiller malding
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teams will stay
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i just love that chillerdragon is the guy always thinking out of the box xD
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chiller evolving backwards
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:54:00Z
its exhausting
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Learath2
Every. Single. Thing. Chiller does is unsupported. I have never in an entire decade of being here seen this man request one thing that is standard
. xD too true
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"Every. Single. Thing. Chiller does is unsupported. I have never in an entire decade of being here seen this man request one thing that is standard He is that one guy who would ask if he could sit in the cockpit jumpseat like it's the most normal thing ever." - Learath
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-07-15 18:55:15Z
lerato is top10 most quotable ddnet player
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i actually have to quotes of lerato in my github profile xd
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maybe i should add this one too?
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two* omg
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too is correct here
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yes add it
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ah two quotes lmao
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trollo brain
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chillerdragon: where is that list xd
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i want to read some famous quotes
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which of your twentry gh profiles is yours
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xDD
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Fulltime github influencer artist. ChillerDragon has 140 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.
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good amount of organizations u got there
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@oy please join irc thank. Contribute to ChillerDragon/oy-plz-come-irc development by creating an account on GitHub.
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LMAO
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was that the reason oy joined a few weeks ago?
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chillerdragon BOT 2023-07-15 19:02:46Z
Yes I’m a githubber
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I got desperate after he ignored my emails
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Idk I never saw him in irc
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But he started merging
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chillerdragon: .... blaming me for not open source a future open source code xD
19:05
ok enough stalking bye
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chillerdragon BOT 2023-07-15 19:10:57Z
Oof why are private repos public .-.
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Only one of those repos is code and that’s chillerbot-zx because it contains features that could be used to gain unfair advantages
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The rest is just backing up hentai
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chiller why are you storing it on github
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what did u do before it happened xd
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and the crash log in dumps would be useful too
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lul
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this is old
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also i shared this game long ago
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its awesome
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and btw the demo in steam is the full game
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The Ultimate Asteroid Mining SimulatorYou are a captain of an independent asteroid excavation ship, operating in the mineral-rich rings of Saturn - the thickest debris field in our solar system. Your task is to navigate rings, excavate minerals, and sell the ore at the Enceladus station. You can hire and manage your crew who will aid you, update...
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21:43
The hard science-fiction take on Asteroids. There's even an in-universe explanation for the top-down 2D view. We're talking 9.5 on the Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness.
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i sometimes forget ddnet is a linux game
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linux get better support than windows on ddnet
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yeah thanks for saying exactly what i just typed
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ChillerDragon: sry, but your issue might be the dumbest issue i've ever read in my life
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I can't even express how i feel about it, my word dictionary is too small
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But i can surely say i had a bit of cringe
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HAHAHAHAAHA
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Another chillerdragon classic, never change chiller :3
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this is kinda ironic to me, as I've seen you using upwards of 4 ddnet connections to one server a few times
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talking about blocking slots
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I can just hope this is some joke
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