DDraceNetwork - general

i found my phone

owo

Did some maps get deleted in the last couple of hours? I lost 29 points

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Did some maps get deleted in the last couple of hours? I lost 29,000 points

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Troll

i did tho, check my points justatest

why is ddrace

08:45

getting filled with bots

which bots are you talking about?

08:54

I e.g. see Robyt3 in a lot of servers, but these are all servers that don't have the ddnet gametype

servers are overrun with spambots advertising clients for the last days

08:57

or advertising weird zombie servers: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/1128676262110572695 (edited)

bro? (edited)

09:20

its steam ddnet why hack?

09:22

I only ate this ban from the exhausted server, I wonder why I was banned when I can enter the others? At 9999 minutes?

09:23

@OguzKK türk serveri bu sen ilgileniyon herhalde

Is that on official DDNet server?

yes

ip:port?

ok wait

09:23

ow

Because I can't find your ban anywhere

its not official

Ok, then complain to them, nothing we can do, sorry.

46.174.139.20:8303

09:24

its not official

deen

Ok, then complain to them, nothing we can do, sorry.

ok bro thanks

Petition to add the YEP emoji cuz I found myself in need of it multiple times jaouis

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Get nitro

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09:45

we need ddnet accounts :/

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10:24

2hours

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Guys does W/up key do anything

zuziks

Guys does W/up key do anything

nothing

Alright really needed the info

10:25

Ty

Scrumplex

Click to see attachment 🖼️

what does this server contain in itself?

10:50

a'ight found tihs

10:51

@Kaffeine what is this

10:53

learn to do ping to server at least this way you will not get timeoutted from server lmao

Gewinum

a'ight found tihs

~~different IP address~~ nvm (edited)

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Gazebr

Petition to add the YEP emoji cuz I found myself in need of it multiple times jaouis

if i ping Ravie, it will be warn for me?

VerteZzo

if i ping Ravie, it will be warn for me?

Not really, just dont ping people without a good reason

VerteZzo

if i ping Ravie, it will be warn for me?

yes, and if you ping one more time you will me banned

Stop trolling xD

>:(

Gazebr

Not really, just dont ping people without a good reason

idk, konsti said he can help with my map

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MilkeeyCat

>:(

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

anyone can finish maps with me?

QweBedo

anyone can finish maps with me?

which

anything

12:00

but im not pro

12:00

i have 100 pt

12:00

@VerteZzo

QweBedo

i have 100 pt

then we can finish novice or any 1 star moderate

QweBedo

i have 100 pt

i have 230 points but im playing from 2017 and i was changing nicknames so much times

12:02

My nickname is Tapir

Scrumplex

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Hi folks, I've no idea who are those spammers and why they are advertising our infclass server. I'd never do anything like that, and I don't see any effect other than annoyance. Before this particular message with our server IP we seen a similar spam, and the best thing I can do is ban those spammers. Someone told me that the spam initiated by one of our new player and I found this in chat (see the attachment). A guy says "do you want me to call people?", "I'll start advertising on all servers". I have his IP, and IPs of the bots. How can I help you to block them? Edit: It turned out that another admin of the advertised infclass server 1.5 hours ago already asked for a cooperation against those spammers: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1129006788491087972 (edited)

probably something for DDnet admins here

finaly mods fixed this shit

@VerteZzo

QweBedo

finaly mods fixed this shit

No they are still there

QweBedo

finaly mods fixed this shit

they've tried fixing it, the same way they did there

13:30

just multiple bots + vpn ig

13:31

so they just easily evade the ban and continue spamming

i see ddnet account system is now becoming necessary lol

it has been for years, it's just a question of how to implement it

ah, the age old debate of accounts kek

Iza

it has been for years, it's just a question of how to implement it

what is question exactly

14:21

what's the problem of implementing it

Gewinum

what is question exactly

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411 you can read the whole discussion on here, and maybe even contribute

Accounts · Issue #3411 · ddnet/ddnet

Summary by UnlucksMcGee (thanks a lot!)

Iza

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411 you can read the whole discussion on here, and maybe even contribute

hmm lemme check thanks Iza

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Determining who gets what account, if points are tied to accounts or not, etc etc

14:21

theres a lot of things and the community is VERY split on it lmao

14:22

and then of course someone has to go ahead and implement it which in itself is also likely hard

its possible to use minecraft bedrock edition auth system (edited)

14:27

client gets jwt from auth server and then sends it to server, server validates it without connecting to ddnet.org

14:28

ah now i get the problem

Gewinum

what's the problem of implementing it

A lot of users don't want mandatory accounts, so we need to define a way of work with those.
Those, who want account, tends to eventually lost them so we need a way to recover an account.
We need a way to integrate with Steam, so steam users won't have to register another account (but probably still can).
There is a problem of trust — the users don't want to give their credentials to all servers, so we need a side trusted auth server (or many servers, so a community (like kog) can use their own compatible auth server). Then we need to define the protocol on how this auth server interacts with clients and game servers. We need to care about the auth server load, so it won't be ddosed immediately. I don't touch the score migration topic just yet.

(edited)

well now understood

Kaffeine

A lot of users don't want mandatory accounts, so we need to define a way of work with those.
Those, who want account, tends to eventually lost them so we need a way to recover an account.
We need a way to integrate with Steam, so steam users won't have to register another account (but probably still can).
There is a problem of trust — the users don't want to give their credentials to all servers, so we need a side trusted auth server (or many servers, so a community (like kog) can use their own compatible auth server). Then we need to define the protocol on how this auth server interacts with clients and game servers. We need to care about the auth server load, so it won't be ddosed immediately. I don't touch the score migration topic just yet.

(edited)

4th maybe make centralized auth server that gives jwt tokens and then game servers validate it through public key?

1. Everything works normally except finishes don't get assigned to any account

14:39

2. Email?

14:39

That's a pretty standard problem

14:40

And there isn't a perfect solution

bruh

14:40

very sad

Email resets are pretty standard right now

just remake ddnet with accounts ez

Kaffeine

A lot of users don't want mandatory accounts, so we need to define a way of work with those.
Those, who want account, tends to eventually lost them so we need a way to recover an account.
We need a way to integrate with Steam, so steam users won't have to register another account (but probably still can).
There is a problem of trust — the users don't want to give their credentials to all servers, so we need a side trusted auth server (or many servers, so a community (like kog) can use their own compatible auth server). Then we need to define the protocol on how this auth server interacts with clients and game servers. We need to care about the auth server load, so it won't be ddosed immediately. I don't touch the score migration topic just yet.

(edited)

3. it's pretty simple to do actually

wipe points

4. Not a huge issue i'd say, we already have master server i suppose?

14:43

Ddos might be an issue

14:43

But

14:44

We might just get a better server

Jupstar did a good proposition some days ago targeting most problems: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411#issuecomment-1627640325

Accounts · Issue #3411 · ddnet/ddnet

Summary by UnlucksMcGee (thanks a lot!)

I think implementing accounts should be our priority right now

14:44

It's very important

pilonpl

We might just get a better server

thats not how it works (edited)

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Kaffeine

A lot of users don't want mandatory accounts, so we need to define a way of work with those.
Those, who want account, tends to eventually lost them so we need a way to recover an account.
We need a way to integrate with Steam, so steam users won't have to register another account (but probably still can).
There is a problem of trust — the users don't want to give their credentials to all servers, so we need a side trusted auth server (or many servers, so a community (like kog) can use their own compatible auth server). Then we need to define the protocol on how this auth server interacts with clients and game servers. We need to care about the auth server load, so it won't be ddosed immediately. I don't touch the score migration topic just yet.

(edited)

i recall someone suggesting just email verification

14:49

i.e. code gets sent to email, then code is used to log in to account

14:50

i don't know enough about cryptography to talk more though

louis

thats not how it works (edited)

I thought that's the entire problem, that we can't afford ddos protection?

louis

i.e. code gets sent to email, then code is used to log in to account

That's a valid way of doing this too

pilonpl

I thought that's the entire problem, that we can't afford ddos protection?

if ddnet cant afford it then how will they just get a better server

If it's just one server it might be manageable

if i remember correctly it was said they wouldnt do it out principle too.

14:53

Dont let a single ddoser cause hundrets of dollars in costs (edited)

Broso56

just remake ddnet with accounts ez

dadadnet 2.0

pilonpl

We might just get a better server

it would be so good if it worked this way bro

pilonpl

I thought that's the entire problem, that we can't afford ddos protection?

brother ddos protection costs are insane unless hosting has its ddos protection

ScReeNy

Dont let a single ddoser cause hundrets of dollars in costs (edited)

Either way we suffer in some way lol

ScReeNy

Dont let a single ddoser cause hundrets of dollars in costs (edited)

ger2 be liek

could just end in an arms race too

lets make ddnet purchasable for 2$

A couple years ago ddos was way worse, i think today is quite playable(except you are stepfunn) (edited)

Gewinum

lets make ddnet purchasable for 2$

iq >300

Gewinum

brother ddos protection costs are insane unless hosting has its ddos protection

I have no idea what are the costs but there has to be some solution

pilonpl

I have no idea what are the costs but there has to be some solution

no 100% perfect solution

Not having accounts at all is not even 10% good solution

ddnet is not enterprise level game that can waste a few hundred thousands on this

pilonpl

Not having accounts at all is not even 10% good solution

well thats how ddnet keeps its online, even kog is struggling now

14:59

kog implemented auth system and they migrated only eu, also on servers with auth enabled online is not so high

15:00

also ddnet audiency is very big and that means these changes will take forever

We want accounts to be optional right?

i thought about this a bit and thats my opinion

We dont know what we want

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Vy0x2

We dont know what we want

1000%

15:01

ddnet can only use optional accounts

also ddos protection already failed once : https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/892665423496110090

Also couldn't we somehow use all of our servers to authenticate users? Idk if that's possible but with cryptography a lot is possible

Ryozuki

i like the cute ryo

15:02

xDD

pilonpl

Also couldn't we somehow use all of our servers to authenticate users? Idk if that's possible but with cryptography a lot is possible

we never can make auth decentralized

possible is

you dont really know all of it

whether we want or not is another discussion

bruh

15:03

what do we even want?

the problem is tzookos triangle

15:03

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

Zooko's triangle

Zooko's triangle is a trilemma of three properties that some people consider desirable for names of participants in a network protocol: Human-meaningful: Meaningful and memorable (low-entropy) names are provided to the users. Secure: The amount of damage a malicious entity can inflict on the system should be as low as possible. Decentralized: Na...

Did someone say Blockchain? santatrollet

but the true problem here is, this is one of our most complex problems we faced since forver (?) and so to start working on this we need to coordinate

15:04

up till now devs just did their own thing

15:04

make feature x , accept reject

We definitely need accounts at some point so it's better to start implementing them as soon as possible, right?

Robyt3

Did someone say Blockchain? santatrollet

kek, blockchain has bad name but it has practical uses

15:06

i would see this more as the fediverse

15:06

federation

cryptoluigi here

My school diploma is actually saved in some blockchain https://cert4trust.de/en/ (edited)

Philipp Lesche

Home - EN - Cert4Trust

Vorlesen

https://activitypub.rocks

15:07

nice

Ryozuki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

I guess the compromise to be made is in the "Decentralized" part. ddnet could be the default provider of mapping from pubkey to human-meaningful identifier

I just realised I can't find ddnet discord server rules anywhere justatest

they temporarily removed it i think

15:26

cause the little banner images on the rules/links/channels/etc were like offset

15:26

so it would have a little image saying rules and just be the list of channels or something lmao

15:28

oh its back

i think rule 1 suggests that we cant make fun of kog anymore

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1

this means no rules

or too many

These damn blockers block and insult me all the time when im trying to peacefully play

. I want to become a moderator and ban all those filthy blockers but you are not even giving me a chance. I have over 100 points and everyone on multeasymap knowns my name. I am very well known and many people (most of the ddnet community in fact) would want me to become a moderator. I would ban every person that breaks rules unlike those current lazy ass moderators who aren't sitting 24/7 on each novice server like they should do

. We need a REAL moderators. And of course there is absolutely no way of reporting blockers to current staff because this game sucks

. It leave me with no way of avoiding getting blocked. At this point i see no other solution than leaving this pathetic community because its not worth my time

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accepted

listen id be fine with kog if they didnt like, have to brag about their stuff

15:34

you've seen one kog clip, you've seen them all

Ryozuki

These damn blockers block and insult me all the time when im trying to peacefully play

. I want to become a moderator and ban all those filthy blockers but you are not even giving me a chance. I have over 100 points and everyone on multeasymap knowns my name. I am very well known and many people (most of the ddnet community in fact) would want me to become a moderator. I would ban every person that breaks rules unlike those current lazy ass moderators who aren't sitting 24/7 on each novice server like they should do

. We need a REAL moderators. And of course there is absolutely no way of reporting blockers to current staff because this game sucks

. It leave me with no way of avoiding getting blocked. At this point i see no other solution than leaving this pathetic community because its not worth my time

This is EXACTLY the situation for a YEP emoji brooooo

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I'm not a bot client, but you just got banned for being a bot client, can you help me?

16:01

@Iza why did you ban me out of nowhere

swox

I'm not a bot client, but you just got banned for being a bot client, can you help me?

go to #✉-create-a-ticket and open a ban appeal ticket

swox

I'm not a bot client, but you just got banned for being a bot client, can you help me?

16:07

I recently let my brother play this amazing game. But when I got home my account had been banned until February 21st. My brother said he didn't know why this happened. Until I found out he had installed a hacked version of Ddrace. I'm sorry for what happened, but please release my account again. I really like this game, and I didn't want to be without playing it for so long. I promise this will never happen again

bencie

I recently let my brother play this amazing game. But when I got home my account had been banned until February 21st. My brother said he didn't know why this happened. Until I found out he had installed a hacked version of Ddrace. I'm sorry for what happened, but please release my account again. I really like this game, and I didn't want to be without playing it for so long. I promise this will never happen again

thats crazy

16:09

crazy?

i was crazy once

they locked me in a room

A rubber room

Racist room

bencie

I recently let my brother play this amazing game. But when I got home my account had been banned until February 21st. My brother said he didn't know why this happened. Until I found out he had installed a hacked version of Ddrace. I'm sorry for what happened, but please release my account again. I really like this game, and I didn't want to be without playing it for so long. I promise this will never happen again

algum brasileiro?

hello, are there any gigachads who can help me do a team0 speedrun

gigachads usually do teamrank speedruns

Gazebr

i think rule 1 suggests that we cant make fun of kog anymore

(edited)

omg fr, we're all gonna get banned [YEP emoji]

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Gazebr

i think rule 1 suggests that we cant make fun of kog anymore

(edited)

KoG is fun :)

bots again