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Between 2023-07-05 00:00:00Z and 2023-07-06 00:00:00Z

Ryozuki

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so true

no help for closed sourcerers

05:46

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##### [ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6811 Client answer to `NETMSG_CON_READY` is not marked as `MSGFLAG_FLUSH` heinrich5991 This means that sending the packet will be delayed until it hits the send timeout, which is 500ms.

Does this at every con ready? That would explain why connecting to local host is also so slow xd

GitHub

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client info?

07:06

patched it and nothing changed honestly xd

07:07

or maybe i don't pay attention on every server load

<Jupstar> not faster?

07:21

<Jupstar> sadness

07:22

<Jupstar> maybe its just an edge case

Jupstar ✪

Does this at every con ready? That would explain why connecting to local host is also so slow xd

afaict, yes

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6517 Add CObjectPool, the replacement of alloc.h new overriding macros

anyone else got irc ads in dms? :D

09:57

jopsti just flush every message client and server side and turn on high bandwidth on server. it quadrouples the overall smoothness and takes up only 10gb/s

<Jupstar> xd, i dunno how much it increases traffic, but most traffic happens bcs of snapshots or not?

10:14

<Jupstar> how much overhead has our packet batching structure, if we have such a thing.. then u can estimate it xd

10:15

<Jupstar> @ChillerDragon u the network doc, shows some docs mr doc

Jupstar: every snapshot flushes

ye wat heinrich said

10:16

the gameplay relevant part is fast

no reason to flush on every message

10:16

it's already being flushed every 20ms

i was obv troling

<Jupstar> yeah but why not do the theoretical calculation

during normal gameplay, I'd guess emote messages are the most common ones

i dont even understand which calc u mean

https://chillerdragon.github.io/teeworlds-protocol/06.html: integer packig → integer packing

<Jupstar> if u'd directly flush every msg, instead of batching

knackig packig

10:19

thank heinrich

<Jupstar> how much traffic would u safe if u'd do a different compression approach than huffman?

10:19

<Jupstar> @ChillerDragon pls calc

I tried to use zstd instead of huffman

10:20

could only get it to a level comparable to huffman

10:20

(zstd with dictionary)

10:22

ChillerDragon: got any docs on the ddnet protocol?

10:23

the low-level ddnet 0.6 network extensions

<Jupstar> would defs be interesting depending on size of packet and compression algorithm used^^

I'm not aware of better compression algorithms than zstd

10:24

(we also want fast compression/decompression)

10:24

if you tell me one, I could try

<Jupstar> i dunno, when i google there are many popping up with different pros and cons

10:25

<Jupstar> most apparently focus on speed

10:25

<Jupstar> https://github.com/lz4/lz4#benchmarks

GitHub - lz4/lz4: Extremely Fast Compression algorithm

Extremely Fast Compression algorithm. Contribute to lz4/lz4 development by creating an account on GitHub.

zstd has better compression ratio than lz4 AFAIK (edited)

We saw it heinrich

so lz4 is likely worse than our current compression

<Jupstar> but doesnt it always depend on the data

note that we probably need some sort of dictionary

10:26

not sure if lz4 supports that

10:26

yes. I tested it on teeworlds packet data

10:26

(not lz4, but I know that zstd usually performs better than lz4) (edited)

<Jupstar> mh i see

@heinrich5991 no i got no ddnet docs. but need some bcs idk how ddnet protocol works

<Jupstar> and if performance would not matter?

i will probably write some as soon as i start learning ddnet protocol

if performance would not matter, one could look into lzma

10:27

but that's rather for long-term data storage

10:28

not on-the-fly compression ^^

<Jupstar> well i am impressed that huffman handles so well tbh

10:28

<Jupstar> is it even considered a compression algorithm, or more like packing?

it replaces bytes by bit sequences

10:28

e.g. the byte 0x00 is replaced by the bit sequence 1 (edited)

10:29

https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/blob/f508384d259c5ee49e68d42af90d0317003e721c/doc/huffman.md#appendix

10:29

see here for the full replacement list

<Jupstar> so i assume the packets are simply too small to be worth for the overhead of compression libs which use some kind of dictionary?

huffman is nice if you know how your data looks like

that's exactly where dictionaries shine

10:30

small packets

10:30

because they give the compressor context it can reference

10:30

zstd with dictionary performed much better than zstd without

10:30

(I generated a custom dictionary for teeworlds packets)

<Jupstar> but still struggled against huffman?

I think it was comparable

10:30

huffman vs (zstd with dict)

10:31

note that it's not strictly huffman, I guess

10:31

it always takes the shorter of huffman and plain

10:33

615381    test_10000/a
585381    test_10000/compressed
933175    test_10000/uncompressed
760047    test_10000/zstd-default
534983    test_10000/zstd-dict
534249    test_10000/zstd-dict-nocontentsize
573934    test_10000/zstd-dict-nodictid

10:34

not sure what a is

xd

these are 10000 teeworlds packets

<Jupstar> compressed = what currently is used?

yes

<Jupstar> a = noby

ah. a is likely the original packet data

10:35

with packet header

10:35

since it's exactly 3 * 10000 bytes larger than compressed

10:36

I guess there are some wins with zstd-dict

10:36

~10%

10:36

creates a dict distribution problem though ^^

<Jupstar> i wonder how much and/or if lzma max can beat that

I didn't use zstd max either

10:37

I wonder if lzma max can beat zstd with dict

10:37

probably not

10:37

because it's lots of small files

10:39

I can share the files if you want to run experiments on them @Jupstar ✪

<Jupstar> did u also benchmark, i wonder if e.g. simd benefits zstd against huffman which we implement our own

I think zstd was not clearly faster than huffman

10:41

want to have the files?

heinrich5991

I can share the files if you want to run experiments on them @Jupstar ✪

Sooner or later i have to write benchmarks indeed, i have to decide which compression i want to use. Are the files simply byte arrays?

yes

Guess can't hurt to have them^^

but if you roll your own protocol, you probably need to use your own

Yes

10:43

It bin codes everything anyway. So many zeros fall apart xd

bincode?

<Jupstar> yes

10:43

<Jupstar> the rust crate

ah

<Jupstar> ty

(you want to compress the files in the uncompressed directory)

10:50

oh, I got IRC spam

ChillerDragon

11:03

im making a grammar aware ddnet config parser

11:03

grammar aware cuz sounds cool

11:03

and cuz using lr

Nice for what

<Jupstar> not "for what", but "in what". In rust

11:13

<Jupstar> xd

That part is obvious

11:17

But what can I use it for? Finally vim tab completion ?

11:18

Im pretty happy with my bash Config parser for checking correctness of config files

11:19

Compat omg phone

no

11:20

for example

11:20

its a good library in case u make a gui to edit ddnet configs

11:20

im sure ur bash config parser doesnt show the errors indicated liike rust does with source code

11:20

and mine is probs faster

11:21

cuz LR(1)

11:21

and rust

Currently working on something compression related, you may wanna look at this paper https://www.areinhardt.de/publications/2012/Ringwelski_Energycon_2012.pdf Did a quick test run with the files above and got a small improvement using LZMH: 584338 vs 585381. Can probably be improved if someone knows about that stuff (I don't...) Here is the example code of the paper https://github.com/CenterForSecureEnergyInformatics/data-compressor/blob/master/DataCompressor/DCLib/src/lzmh.c

data-compressor/DataCompressor/DCLib/src/lzmh.c at master · CenterF...

The compression software by A. Unterweger for load profile compression based on the approach published by Unterweger and Engel - data-compressor/DataCompressor/DCLib/src/lzmh.c at master · CenterFo...

permalink: https://github.com/CenterForSecureEnergyInformatics/data-compressor/blob/2cf54f24dd109952f78d9836b5bccbc7fcb9a3bf/DataCompressor/DCLib/src/lzmh.c

heinrich5991

615381    test_10000/a
585381    test_10000/compressed
933175    test_10000/uncompressed
760047    test_10000/zstd-default
534983    test_10000/zstd-dict
534249    test_10000/zstd-dict-nocontentsize
573934    test_10000/zstd-dict-nodictid

@Wollwolke zstd with dictionary seems to perform better than that lzmh

Wollwolke

Currently working on something compression related, you may wanna look at this paper https://www.areinhardt.de/publications/2012/Ringwelski_Energycon_2012.pdf Did a quick test run with the files above and got a small improvement using LZMH: 584338 vs 585381. Can probably be improved if someone knows about that stuff (I don't...) Here is the example code of the paper https://github.com/CenterForSecureEnergyInformatics/data-compressor/blob/master/DataCompressor/DCLib/src/lzmh.c

what files above?

I deleted the discord message again because I don't remember where I got them from (edited)

heinrich5991

@Wollwolke zstd with dictionary seems to perform better than that lzmh

But don't you need to distribute the dict for that? Or did i miss something

Wollwolke

But don't you need to distribute the dict for that? Or did i miss something

yes, need to distribute a dict with the client

but imho compression on the fly needs to be fast, even if slightly less efficient compressing no?

I'd consider that fine

Ryozuki

but imho compression on the fly needs to be fast, even if slightly less efficient compressing no?

yes. zstd was okay fast IIRC

@heinrich5991 did u try arithmetic coding?

zstd uses something like arithmetic coding internally

LZMH is too fast for the time measurment accuray of their testbench, would need to adjust that for these small files

ChillerDragon: does ur config parser check against config types, min max etc?

11:33

my crate parses the header file

mine also parses the header file but only checks if the config exists or not

nobo

yea its actually a good idea to do more checks also like str vs int

11:38

the nice thing about my setup is that it checks the code of the actual server it will run

11:38

so it supports custom mods

11:39

@Ryozuki thats how my warnings look like

11:39

Embedded image

11:40

shoutout to jopsti

ye mine loads the config options at runtime

11:40

also color str int

ah nice

and saves the symbol

11:40

and desc

where does it look for the header files?

11:40

now im motivated to improve my bash version

11:41

but i really got other stuff todo x

<Jupstar> @ChillerDragon why was the value even on 0.1? that alone sounds wrong to me.. or was it just a test? XD

?

11:43

macro config

ye

macro config has everything

@Jupstar worked on my machine

<Jupstar> so it evaluated to zero

does it parse the macro config at runtime?

<Jupstar> bcs string could not be parsed to int

@Jupstar there was a time or mod where 0 crashed the server and 0.1 didnt

11:44

using it eversince and worked wonderfully

<Jupstar> it makes no sense tho xD

pst

ye

yes

11:44

so where does it look for the macro file?

11:44

do i have to provide on when using the lib?

11:44

one*

for now i copied it

so u ship it?

ill make so u pass a path

a

11:45

k

11:45

ok nice so i can use ur lib as a dropin replacement for mine

it also saves the cfg flags

if i decide to rewrite in rust

11:45

but rust is such a bloat

no u

rust runs on windows

bash does too

11:47

also not planning to switch back to windows servers anytime soon

11:47

my shell scripts start my tw server

11:47

its bloat to install rust and cargo and cargo install 10min to run a tw server

11:47

while bash compiles and runst blazingly fast and is preinstalled

not on windows

11:48

bash is very much a second-class citizen on windows

yes

11:48

but then not even microsoft uses windows for servers

11:48

so who cares

I'd probably use python over bash tbf

python has similar bloat level to rust

also comes preinstalled and is an actually useful programming language ^^

havent seen a distro with preinstalled python yet

what do you mean by "bloat" here? ^^

it has to be installed

weird name, but ok

ok python is slimmer than rust i guess

11:50

because no compile

I'd guess python is installed on every server you use

yea i see

11:50

for stuff like that i would always use bash over python

11:51

most of the time im just launching other tools which is just smoother in bash

11:51

python just slows down development time while not even offering much better static analysis if it works or not

11:52

most issues are variable typos those are caught as good by shellcheck as they are by pylint

11:52

but its taste i assume i am just more effective in bash than python

11:53

omg daily ddnet language bashing xd

<Jupstar> its fine, python is evil

11:55

<Jupstar> it sets new benchmarks, in slowness xd

11:56

<Jupstar> the syntax is for masochists

11:56

<Jupstar> @ChillerDragon when rewrite ddnet in bash

11:57

<Jupstar> no other deps allowed

bash is pretty useless without external programs

<Jupstar> ^ @ChillerDragon challenge for u

I want to talk to a superior from ddnet to talk about a particular topic that is necessary to be in the game

<Jupstar> go ahead

this chat right here

12:39

this is a open source game

12:39

unless its a critical security issue u should say it here

12:39

or a github issue

I am writing to address a matter of utmost importance to the gaming community, especially those hailing from the beautiful region of Galicia. I humbly request your esteemed consideration in adding the Galician flag to the renowned game, DDNet. Allow me to emphasize the significance of incorporating the Galician flag within the game's selection of flags. DDNet, as an online platform connecting players from diverse backgrounds, has proven to be a unifying force that transcends geographical and cultural boundaries. By introducing the Galician flag, the game can embrace the rich cultural heritage of this historic region and pay homage to its people. The Galician flag represents the aspirations, values, and identity of a distinct and vibrant community. By integrating it into DDNet, you have the unique opportunity to demonstrate the game's commitment to inclusivity and recognition of its global player base. The sense of pride and belonging experienced by Galician players when they see their flag displayed alongside others will undoubtedly strengthen the sense of community within the game. Moreover, introducing the Galician flag aligns with the broader vision of fostering cultural appreciation and understanding within the gaming community. As players from different corners of the world come together, they exchange not only gaming experiences but also glimpses of each other's cultures. By representing the Galician culture in the game, DDNet can become a powerful instrument for promoting cultural diversity, respect, and friendship among its users. I understand that incorporating new elements into an established game requires careful consideration and technical implementation. However, I am confident that your talented development team possesses the necessary expertise to achieve this endeavor successfully. The inclusion of the Galician flag will undoubtedly be met with enthusiasm from both the Galician players and the wider DDNet community.

12:41

In conclusion, I implore you to recognize the significance of this proposal and take steps to include the Galician flag in DDNet. Your commitment to diversity and cultural appreciation will undoubtedly be celebrated by players worldwide, fostering a stronger sense of community and making the game an even more enjoyable and inclusive experience

@Jupstar some dude wrote a mc server in bash i think it ended up super wonkey because he ran into some limits

a

lmao

12:42

@Tormenta de Facha u know the catalan flag is there cuz i translated this to catalan

12:42

but unless u translate to galician, i doubt it would be added

can we get the my backyard flag

the whole message?

can we ban chatgpt users pls?

huh?

ChillerDragon

can we ban chatgpt users pls?

not chatgpt

the worst is im sure this guy would be against adding catalan flag kek

no

your wall of text is too big

Tormenta de Facha

the whole message?

the whole game troll

troll

i don t critise any flag

tldr: he wants to add his spanish regional flag

I actually see no reason why this flag shouldn’t be added. just add it

12:43

create a pool request

Ewan

I actually see no reason why this flag shouldn’t be added. just add it

cuz there are many more like this

12:44

i personally wouldnt mind either

I want to have the recognition to all Galician players

all 3 of them

its probs just u bro

Ewan

create a pool request

<Jupstar> then also lets add NRW flag xd

xd

<Jupstar> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalia

North Rhine-Westphalia

North Rhine-Westphalia (German: Nordrhein-Westfalen, pronounced [ˌnɔʁtʁaɪn vɛstˈfaːlən] (listen); Limburgish: Noordrien-Wesfale [ˈnoːʀtʀiːn wæsˈfaːlə]; Low German: Noordrhien-Westfalen; Kölsch: Noodrhing-Wäßßfaale), commonly shortened to NRW (German: [ɛnʔɛʁˈveː] (listen)), is a state (Land) in Western Germany. With more than 18 million inhabitan...

Ryozuki

its probs just u bro

no

<Jupstar> its a bundesland

that text is chathpt for sure

i still remember this one

12:45

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3639

Suggestion: Add Quebec flag · Issue #3639 · ddnet/ddnet

From Discord: [3:32 PM] M Emile: Sorry if this isnt the proper channel but who should i ask to have a flag added [3:32 PM] M Emile: It would be nice for Québec people to find each other if we had o...

the text is spam for sure

I know people wrote texts like that before chatgpt

konsti would ask a certain flag kek

<Jupstar> only important flag is taiwan

also if we add any flags lets add lgbtq+69 rainbow flag first because its nice

Ryozuki

that text is chathpt for sure

maybe it is but i want to have it on the game for the galician players

ChillerDragon

also if we add any flags lets add lgbtq+69 rainbow flag first because its nice

that is not a region

12:46

Galician yes

i feel offended

maybe we should remove flags

yikes

<Jupstar> add country flags, and regional flags. And put taiwan to country flags

Tormenta de Facha

that is not a region

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<Jupstar> trigger inc

gerdoe

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1 year message

12:46

the people change

and still no meaning to add any new regional flag kekw

<Jupstar> i think we once said that we only allow new flags where wikipedia says its a country flag

12:47

<Jupstar> and this isnt the case for yours @Tormenta de Facha

ur best bet is to translate ddnet to galician

if so ddnet should have been added like 89 new flags (russian states)

I think if you translate the game into galician, it'll definitely be accepted

this is how i got the catalan flag in

<Jupstar> lmao

@heinrich5991 compare the gpt wall english with his other messages

<Jupstar> yeah @ChillerDragon i agree

he is clearly too lazy to write an actual proposal and just spams a wall of text that is ai generated

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that seems kinda ridiculous to me man I don’t see why there shouldn’t be a flag for every actual geographical region with people willing to make the flag

we live in ai society

<Jupstar> " However, I am confident that your talented development team possesses the necessary expertise to achieve this endeavor successfully. "

its not better than telegram ads imo

<Jupstar> that sentence alone

Ewan

that seems kinda ridiculous to me man I don’t see why there shouldn’t be a flag for every actual geographical region with people willing to make the flag

lot of political issues

who cares

i care

some ppl recognize regions and others not

we can also do free-for-all flags

there is no political affiliation

then we'd get a couple of non-regional flags as well though

why

@Ryozuki > konsti would ask a certain flag kek

12:49

:justatest:

lets add catalan independence flag

anyway players still can add flag of theirs if they want to

12:49

but in their game client folders

flags.teeskins.net download server when

bruh

xd

another vram collapse coming xd

Ewan

why

unclear why we'd limit it to regional flags if we open it up, I think

because the flag signifies where you are from…

<Jupstar> @gerdoe XDDD

i want barcelona city flag

<Jupstar> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_M%C3%BCnster#/media/File:Siegel_Universitaet_Muenster.svg

University of Münster

The University of Münster (German: Westfälische Wilhelms-Universität Münster, WWU) is a public research university located in the city of Münster, North Rhine-Westphalia in Germany. With more than 43,000 students and over 120 fields of study in 15 departments, it is Germany's fifth largest university and one of the foremost centers of German int...

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<Jupstar> i want my university

i want flag vital

Ewan

because the flag signifies where you are from…

you can already have that using countries. you're probably in the areas of one of these states

and flag flush

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Tormenta de Facha

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the best flag

is the image embedded in the url?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Cusco_(2021).svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hallum_vlag.svg

File:Flag of Cusco (2021).svg

File:Hallum vlag.svg

12:52

might as well add the lgbt flag proper if we add these ^^

did discord switch to 0 storage cdns?

troll

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heinrich5991

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Cusco_(2021).svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hallum_vlag.svg

this even is a flag

troll

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<Jupstar> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag#/media/File:Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg

A flag is a piece of fabric (most often rectangular or quadrilateral) with a distinctive design and colours. It is used as a symbol, a signalling device, or for decoration. The term flag is also used to refer to the graphic design employed, and flags have evolved into a general tool for rudimentary signalling and identification, especially in en...

12:53

<Jupstar> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg

Ryozuki

troll

southern catalans?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg

File:Flag of the United Nations.svg

<Jupstar> *

gerdoe

southern catalans?

independent movement of catalonia flag

if cataluña flag is on the game why galician can t be?

Ryozuki

independent movement of catalonia flag

oh

he already said

12:54

you don’t read

Who needs more than the world flag xd

cuz game is in catalan

Tormenta de Facha

if cataluña flag is on the game why galician can t be?

if you translate the game into galician, the flag is probably going to be added

if i translate whole game

yes

i told u

because chatgpt proposals are auto rejected

10 times

12:54

kek

i wish there's no help from middle east to force cataloons to rebel

okay

<Jupstar> NATO flag xd

@heinrich5991 chatgpt translation incoming xd

troll

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no

do we have someone in the community who can speak galician btw?

12:55

who can proofread the translation

im from galician i now how to translate

when can we get the new spain flag

Ewan

when can we get the new spain flag

catalan flag is alredy there

12:55

already

heinrich5991

who can proofread the translation

all my galician homies

xd

no i mean new spain

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the underground country

Ryozuki

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@tater add flags download server

12:56

i wanna dl ryos rust flag

for translation how i can start

@Ryozuki is catalan similar to spanish?

<Jupstar> can i also add bayrisch

yes, Jupstar

<Jupstar> epic

bairisch*

12:56

btw

can u even speak it?

<Jupstar> now i just have to learn it xd

12:57

<Jupstar> @ChillerDragon no but u

no way its bairisch?

12:57

i cant

it's Bairisch

where in german?

what should I eat

its similar but its its own language, u may understand a bit as a spanish, just like a spanish can recognize some portugese or italian

1

food

prezels

12:57

and schweinebraten

is it closer to spanish than portuguese is to spanish?

Ryozuki

its similar but its its own language, u may understand a bit as a spanish, just like a spanish can recognize some portugese or italian

portugese is the same as galician

troll

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<Jupstar> grüß gott

servus

Tormenta de Facha

portugese is the same as galician

it is facts

heinrich5991

is it closer to spanish than portuguese is to spanish?

ye

<Jupstar> we can add it at 1. april

now I wonder if catalan-spanish is closer than swiss german-german

catalonia is quite old too

(swiss german is incomprehensible to me)

<Jupstar> grüzi

In 1137, Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Barcelona betrothed the heiress of the Kingdom of Aragon, Petronilla, establishing the dynastic union of the County of Barcelona with Aragon, the Crown of Aragon, while the County of Barcelona and the other Catalan counties merged into a political entity, the Principality of Catalonia,[3] which developed an institutional system (Courts, constitutions, Generalitat) that limited the power of the kings. Catalonia sponsored and contributed to the expansion of the Crown's trade and military, most significantly their navy.

13:00

spain exists since 1700 or so

Ryozuki

spain exists since 1700 or so

no

13:01

1492

13:01

Spain have so much history

the state germany exists since like 1871 ^^

Tormenta de Facha

1492

????

<Jupstar> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Pirate_Flag_of_Jack_Rackham.svg

Ewan

????

search it

<Jupstar> we also need to care about our pirates

13:02

<Jupstar> "Republic of Pirates 1706–1718 "

so many cool flags

13:06

at least ddnet already has a dragon flag :)

13:06

Embedded image

where is the traduction for ddnet?

you need to edit text files

13:08

if you download ddnet, you can find it in data/languages

yea

13:08

okay

editing an existing file would be easiest for testing

thx

hi

If we add random languages to the game, we need a concept of fall back languages. If we don't have that yet

13:10

Bcs i kinda doubt the maintainer will stay active xd

how up-to-date is the catalan translation?

13:12

we should™ get a better translation UI than text files

<Jupstar> best would be over web, with directly upload/sync or smth (with accounts probs)

we could use something like this: https://weblate.org/en/

Weblate - web-based localization

Copylefted libre software, used by over 2,500 libre software projects and companies in over 165 countries.

tr files not good enough?

13:20

plenty of tr editors

what is tr?

ts. sorry

Typescript? Xd

what is ts?

im thinking of po apparently

13:27

brainmoment

ah

13:27

well, we don't support po right now ^^

i think theres a bug in the serbian translations

Image attachment

<Jupstar> well i dont speak serbian

13:28

<Jupstar> so maybe just fix it? xd

ok

13:29

tbh the whole serbian translation looks messy, i wanna try fixing it some time

<Jupstar> bcs of the space requirements?

13:30

<Jupstar> or bcs of the translations

text shrinking was a mistake :p

1

13:30

I think it looks worse than cut-off text

agreed

<Jupstar> but loosing information isnt better tbh

scroll

13:31

or design better

ah, but we don't have that :/

13:31

forcing people to provide better translations ^^

13:31

would be my strategy

the ui needs to not force size constraints on text unless really necessary

<Jupstar> scroll is also semi good solution.., guess our UI is simply too bloated generally

ws-client1

<Jupstar> bcs of the space requirements?

like the language is very wordy

heinrich5991

how up-to-date is the catalan translation?

i should update it

<Jupstar> https://ddnet.org/news/client-translations/

@heinrich5991 @Jupstar ✪ custom fallback langs for translations would be cool, e.g if not all catalan or galician is translated, fallback to spanish

will that blend in?

and then to english

or will you notice that it's spanish not catalan?

u will notice ofc, but if u dont know english u will understand

13:34

cuz 99.9% know spanish

13:35

maybe same with ukranian and russian etc

13:35

portuguese

<Jupstar> tbh i hate the german translations xDD

99.9% catalonians u mean

<Jupstar> KARTE

cuz i sure don’t speak spanish

ye i meant that obv

13:36

i meant per translation fallback

13:36

catalan -> spanish -> eng

<Jupstar> i guess in europe pretty much everyone understands english good enough to start the game xd

I had problems with english when I was young

Ryozuki

its probs just u bro

no

the red team wins message lol

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suddenly latin characters?

<Jupstar> @heinrich5991 i dunno, my niece already knows enough english probably... what do you acutally need to understand, most important stuff are icons

13:37

<Jupstar> settings, left, right, jump

I am running ddnet-server from apt and apparmor said it tried to execute /usr/bin/dash any idea why?

<Jupstar> i dunno if someone doesnt know these words xD

13:38

<Jupstar> team

13:38

<Jupstar> friend

fixing video settings, maybe

<Jupstar> video settings most ppl dont even understand if they know english xd

heinrich5991

suddenly latin characters?

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ChillerDragon

I am running ddnet-server from apt and apparmor said it tried to execute /usr/bin/dash any idea why?

output of file (which ddnet-server)

well idk how you would translate entities

or file "$(which ddnet-server)" if you run bash

<Jupstar> "physics mode" or smth

entities is even weird in english

<Jupstar> entities is actually a stupid word

it's just a word we got used to

$ file $(which DDNet-Server)

13:40

/usr/bin/DDNet-Server: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, BuildID[sha1]=c15e5232ba6d95c84a85b6eb36a22c9d9a8bee94, with debug_info, not stripped

what the hell is going on here

idk. strace it I guess, ChillerDragon

wanted to avoid that xd

top means "do when you enter"

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the client does some shell stuff i know that

13:41

but also not on boot usually

what to eat

and the server shouldnt imo

<Jupstar> @chiller what are u talkn about xd

apparmor claims ddnet server tries to execute a shell

tees are translated to theme

i have the feeling that is some old test of mine but idk how

it does

i guess

iirc

where how

cyberFighter

tees are translated to theme

Even gpt would be better xd

<Jupstar> ChillerDragon: but its your mod right?

would gpt be better?

@Ryozuki tu estabas en la vappy?

tees are easily translated to t-shirts

@Mercadona is that a discord server?

Ryozuki

maybe same with ukranian and russian etc

not at all cuz west-slav affected ukrainian so 50/50

@Mercadona non-english goes to #off-topic

@Jupstar i did apt install DDNet-Server

heinrich5991

@Mercadona non-english goes to #off-topic

sry mb

Ryozuki

@Mercadona is that a discord server?

nvm

<Jupstar> since when does ddnet call external shell scripts? lmao

i doubt it

I decided on honey bunches of oats

i think i bugged something

<Jupstar> i think gpt translated it to "tea"

Чај (Čaj)

there's a function called shell_exec in ddnet @ChillerDragon

<Jupstar> so appamore analyses the binary file?

13:48

<Jupstar> and not runtime

no, it's runtime

<Jupstar> we unconditionally call shell_exec?

I have no clue

13:49

I was trying to give pointers

<Jupstar> for what i wonder xD

it was indeed a issue on my side

13:51

i expected doing apt install ddnet-server and running DDNet-Server runs ddnet but it didnt :D

13:51

it ran my old apparmor test which i put into /usr/bin/ and apt didnt overwrite it

you should not put stuff into /usr/bin

13:51

you're allowed to put stuff into /usr/local/bin

yea i did it when doing my ddnet apparmor pr

13:52

if i had put it in usr local bin the apparmor profile wouldnt have kicked in

13:52

to test if it catches shell spawns

heinrich5991

text shrinking was a mistake :p

what about making the text slide?

<Jupstar> thats also just a semi fix

13:54

<Jupstar> would you not be annoyed by it?

idk? animated parts may be annoying but its better than not beeing able to read what it says because its too small

<Jupstar> our font size is very big, so i assume this isnt really a problem

13:55

<Jupstar> the text must be really long xd

13:56

<Jupstar> and then waiting 5 seconds to read it would also be annoying xD

perhaps we could use the tooltips someone introduced

13:57

so you can hover the text

13:57

to see the full thing

<Jupstar> or load all translations and show the UI designer/programmer the longest one :D

13:58

<Jupstar> and if the text is extra long, fix translations

or get metrics for the text width and help translators see them out-of-game

<Jupstar> or all of that xd

13:59

<Jupstar> btw we could do a "edit" mode for all labels to become input fields

13:59

<Jupstar> then they can edit realtime in the client

13:59

<Jupstar> i think robyte refactored most UI code to use a Label() function

13:59

<Jupstar> so it should work in most cases

that sounds super hard

13:59

but would be cool

<Jupstar> @Robyt3 feature request

@Robyt3

test @heinrich5991

14:03

test @Jupstar ✪

you have to use the account name apparently

<Jupstar> capital letters not allowed anymore if u want to ping

14:03

<Jupstar> yes

Who did I pass the Galician translation to?

14:47

I have finished it

https://blog.burntsushi.net/regex-internals/

Regex engine internals as a library - Andrew Gallant's Blog

I blog mostly about my own programming projects.

@Avolicious how small are the kog server docker images?

Tormenta de Facha

I have finished it

that's quite fast. have you tested it in the client to check whether the strings look good?

14:49

you can upload the translation to this discord channel

okay

14:52

28.58 KB

you should probably mention that this is based on the spanish translation (in the header)

14:55

the Password string looks wrong

heinrich5991

the Password string looks wrong

what is that i don t understand what u mean (edited)

Password
== Contrasinal incorreta

ChillerDragon

@Avolicious how small are the kog server docker images?

Roughly 120mb, But the new Alpha Build is 62mb

oh ok i thought mine is big :D

15:00

i assume urs is closed src ^

We had to Compile grpc in it, so it added 40 mb

didnt u add grpc to save space? :D

heinrich5991

Password
== Contrasinal incorreta

okay i have done the 2 things

15:01

I upload it other time?

I'm still going through it, wait a second

Yep After we Are fully Done with it, i can replace curl, MySQL and other Packages and Build a scratch or alpine Container

ok so u full on work in progress?

Yep

@Tormenta de Facha is 'quecemento' a word in galician?

15:04

I can't find it in dictionaries (I don't speak the language, I can't know though)

heinrich5991

I can't find it in dictionaries (I don't speak the language, I can't know though)

you search on the rag?

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https://academia.gal/inicio

Tormenta de Facha

Click to see attachment 🖼️

can you send a link?

https://academia.gal/dicionario/-/termo/quecemento

Dicionario - Real Academia Galega

.

thanks!

15:12

@Tormenta de Facha can you re-upload the current version?

28.6 KB

@Avolicious ok my first attempt w out maps is 22.9MB

15:14

ah also no mysql

15:14

probably super unfair comparison :D

why do you want to put it into a container, ChillerDragon?

i dont feel comfortable saying it out loud yet xd

ok ^^

dw ill share when ill do

15:17

im probably too lazy anways so i dont wanna mention it yet

15:18

anyways if someone needs a 22mb basic ddnet server dockerfile here it is https://github.com/BanBansNet/ddnet-server-docker/blob/master/Dockerfile

ddnet-server-docker/Dockerfile at master · BanBansNet/ddnet-server-...

DDNet-Server dockerfile. Contribute to BanBansNet/ddnet-server-docker development by creating an account on GitHub.

docker is closed private corporate bloat

15:19

ChillerDragon can u do a pod for podman

permanent link: https://github.com/BanBansNet/ddnet-server-docker/blob/cf2458532e0caf5fb8e568821230a810449ab686/Dockerfile

im using podman obv

nice

i assume it also works w docker

@Tormenta de Facha how do you abbreviate north america in galician?

15:20

should it be NA or AN?

15:21

same question for south america

same

Is the same at spanish

kek

15:22

at work we have self hosted github ci with m1,m2, cuda, metal

15:22

epic

so NA or AN?

15:23

I didn't understand your answer

NA

heinrich5991

should it be NA or AN?

na and an are wrong

15:23

in spanish is EEUU

for spanish?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estados_Unidos

ah, but I don't mean the USA

15:24

but the north american continent

man, is NA

15:24

NorteAmerica

yes, understood

15:24

I was just talking about spanish with @Ryozuki

@ChillerDragon we had Problems with alpine because of musl as far as i can remember

heinrich5991

I was just talking about spanish with @Ryozuki

hmm now that u say it, i never rly seen a the abbreviate form

15:25

ppl here just speak about usa or south america xd

15:25

and we just say america del norte or america del sur

what about mexico and canada?

america central

canada?

15:25

america del norte?

15:26

its north america right

15:26

xd

yes

15:29

@Ryozuki where did you get the ISO 3166-1 code for catalonia?

15:30

ah

cat doesnt have it

900-999 are user-assigned

there is another iso

15:31

ah

15:31

ye

15:31

idk if there is another iso xd

I also had my fair share of musl fun at work haha. But compiling ddnet from source with default flags is smooth. So no MySQL and whatever else you can opt into (@Avolicious)

@ChillerDragon we had Problems with alpine because of musl as far as i can remember

ISO 639-2 Code

15:31

cat

heinrich5991

@Ryozuki where did you get the ISO 3166-1 code for catalonia?

it would be ES-CT i think

15:33

https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:ES

what's the catalonia flag called? in ddnet?

cant open ddnet rn

15:36

im at work

15:36

but it should tell if u open and search

15:36

XCA or something with x

Ryozuki

XCA or something with x

Yes, is XCA

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6812 Add Galician language (thanks to TormentaDeFacha and Mercadona)

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssan...

who draws our flags?

what do you mean?

heinrich5991

perhaps we could use the tooltips someone introduced

This has two issues: 1) we can't show the real tooltip and the too-long-text tooltip at the same time 2) Every tooltip must be associated with a UI element ID, so we either add static int s_TooltipFoo everywhere or think about dynamic registering of UI element IDs

ws-client1

<Jupstar> btw we could do a "edit" mode for all labels to become input fields

Would also need to introduce a UI element ID for every single DoLabel

15:54

I'd prefer if we just make it easier to check the length of translations so translators can ensure that existing translations fit, instead of adding workarounds for it

Go to GitHub press t for fuzzy file search and I’ll find flags in no time (@Ryozuki)

cant open ddnet rn

15:56

Ull! Phone

Robyt3

Would also need to introduce a UI element ID for every single DoLabel

if thats the only issue, just mask the ID DoLabel gets ^^

16:01

e.g. all pointers are even

DoLabel doesn't get any ID at the moment though

16:11

Pointers to CUIRect and text are usually not static

GitHub

Click to see attachment 🖼️

one question we need to do this checklist us?

i tought of something but probs not doable as easy as in rust

16:16

u could gen a id with a macro using the current line and col and filename

16:16

xd

16:17

(idk why we talking about ids but i thought of this)

We need UI IDs so elements can have an effect when hovered, like being a button or showing a tooltip

16:17

MouseHovered works without, but this does not consider popup menus being above UI elements

just redo all UI and do what egui/imgui does

😵‍💫

1

16:18

16:21

@heinrich5991 ur pr is wrong

16:21

DATA does not contain every file from directory data

program.c:24:79: error: alias must point to a defined variable or function
void ptr(program_return_values_t *, void *, uint64_t) __attribute__ ((weak, alias ("_mlir_ciface_program::program::main")));

16:42

@Learath2 can u alias a symbol not defined? xd

16:43

u gotta use dlsym right

static int ptr() __attribute__ ((weakref ("_mlir_ciface_program::program::main")));

17:02

this works

Ryozuki

@Learath2 can u alias a symbol not defined? xd

mh, I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, but no you can not alias something you didn't define in this TU

Learath2

mh, I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, but no you can not alias something you didn't define in this TU

not defined in C itself but linked i guess

https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.7.2/gcc/Function-Attributes.html I'm fairly sure it has to be defined in C in this TU

Function Attributes - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)

Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)

19:03

(or C++)

the second works xd

19:05

gotta check what we rly do

This is the problem with extensions, the document is like 1/5th the quality of the standard, documentation for weakref says you are allowed to not have a definition, but it also says it's equivalent to alias which explicitly prohibits having no definition

19:17

Ah, I see I was misreading it, I guess you need both declarations, anyway the thing is weakref allows the definition not to be there, that's why the second works

nice

https://github.com/BurntSushi/rebar

GitHub - BurntSushi/rebar: A biased barometer for gauging the relat...

A biased barometer for gauging the relative speed of some regex engines on a curated set of tasks. - GitHub - BurntSushi/rebar: A biased barometer for gauging the relative speed of some regex engin...

1

lol

regrets

i think if you wanted regex in ddnet then pcre would probably be the best option

22:39

but it’s existed for however long and has not needed it

22:39

so

this was taken from a marvel movie forgot which one did tony stark code in fucking javascript LOL

Image attachment

what makes u think this is js

23:22

could be c/cpp or js. it’s ambiguous because we don’t see any variable defs or anything

looks JS-y to me, except for the final boxAnchor + offset

23:22

it'd be weird to declare ratio earlier than the first mention

23:22

except if it's C89 maybe

the final thing is the only thing that looks JS-like to me, bcus no semicolon. but it looks like it’s just being typed out in real time and this is just one frame from that

23:24

tho I don’t know where that expression is going lol

https://gist.github.com/Wunkolo/984d73fc0a45b3d5aceb194f15a86923

Spiderman home-coming mystery code solved

Spiderman home-coming mystery code solved. GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

damn

heinrich5991

looks JS-y to me, except for the final boxAnchor + offset

this was the final frame before a scene change so it probably wasnt rendered in yet

23:29

you know how hollywood coding is like

23:30

yeah I still don’t see why it’s js specifically

idk

23:30

just looks js-ish to me

everything in the screenshot could be either

Ewan

yeah I still don’t see why it’s js specifically

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1126292141509980241

you are trying to say it’s a method?

23:34

idk what the ratio there has to do with anything

23:34

unless you’re trying to say that line is declaring it, in js you still need let/var/const

no, I think it works without

23:35

maybe it declares a global variable like that?

23:35

I don't remember

mm I don’t think so

23:35

doing var in (toplevel) fn scope would already do that

23:35

because var is broken

no, var is function scope, no?

23:35

seems to be implicitly global from my googling

23:35

when you use a variable without let/var/const

let is how most other languages do scope. var is messed up

heinrich5991

seems to be implicitly global from my googling

interesting

Ewan

let is how most other languages do scope. var is messed up

python also does the var scope

I don’t rly see why it couldn’t be declared before anyway

it could, but it would be weird

hmm

(unless it's c89)

heinrich5991

python also does the var scope

except for except statements, funnily

i know pretty much 0 python

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