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Between 2023-06-27 00:00:00Z and 2023-06-28 00:00:00Z

sweet

i wish there was some sort of client integrity system besides ID

00:51

because i can't prove i'm not botting when the sensitive antibot on whichever server bans me

00:52

lol

I thought the antibot was not very sensitive

00:54

I've never seen it ban anyone

not on ddrace

fng?

fokkonaut block

Ewan

i wish there was some sort of client integrity system besides ID

fundamentally impossible

00:57

you can never prove that you're running the original client. and if you could, that you're not emulating your input otherwise

that's absolutely not true

00:58

just as an example discord watermarks API requests sent from the client

00:59

and i understand it's not 1:1 and obfuscation like this is not encouraged for open source projects

do you mean client integrity or user identification? (edited)

but this is a video game that seems to take botting seriously

Tater

do you mean client integrity or user identification? (edited)

client integrity

00:59

the latter would be nice too

00:59

but that's not my point

Ewan

and i understand it's not 1:1 and obfuscation like this is not encouraged for open source projects

what does 1:1 mean in this context?

one's a proprietary chat app, the other's an open source video game

how does watermarking the API prevent client modifications?

if only the official client or other 'server-approved' clients are able to reproduce this behavior you can weed out custom clients that may or may not have illegitimate functionalities

I don't think there's any fundamental reason a modified client can't exactly replicate the behavior of the official one

Ewan

if only the official client or other 'server-approved' clients are able to reproduce this behavior you can weed out custom clients that may or may not have illegitimate functionalities

fundamentally impossible

if it's open source it would be difficult

how?

check cheats existing for games with large publishers behind them

they probably do have client-side integrity behavior and it's just been reverse engineered by the cheat community which would be much larger than ddnet's by comparison

01:03

it's also not impossible or uncommon to have a proprietary module in an open-source environment for exactly this reason

yes. but as you just said it's not possible to make this guarantee something

01:03

it might make it harder to break though

yes

Ewan

because i can't prove i'm not botting when the sensitive antibot on whichever server bans me

but we started from here

01:04

and you can't prove you're not botting. you can only prove that people who weren't clever enough are botting

yeah

01:05

idk what the server antibot was thinking anyway lol

01:05

all i'd been doing was farming and i tab back into game and i'm being manhandled by some dude trying to get my money

01:05

i block him and i get banned

01:05

01:07

maybe high ping and packet frequency fluctuation could have something to do with it

01:07

but idk how it works all that much

Yea @noby false positives on fokko Server are a bit frequent. Anything you could do? :)

my ban is a week xd

06:38

it's really cool

what fokko can do is like us

06:50

don't auto ban, verify if you find someone sus

06:50

noby's ab auto-ban works the best only on fng server

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6776 Allow 'bind x' to be used like 'binds x'

This makes the 'bind' command optionally take only one argument, in which case it behaves like 'binds x'. This falls in line with how most popular games do it, and may prevent confusion in the future. !image This introduces a tiny bit of duplication though, because I just copied the if statement from 'binds', but it should be fine.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[x] Provide...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6777 Disable sound in integration tests (fixes #6773)

Seems like some CI workers don't have (virtual) sound cards

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgri...

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6778 Selecting multiple tile layers in editor allows editing color of game layers

It shouldn't be possible to change the color of game layers. This allows making the game layers fully transparent, which also makes them invisible in entities mode when the map is used ingame. Furthermore, the client should ensure that game layers always use the default color to prevent this from being used with manually crafted maps. The map checker could also be updated to ensure that maps have the with default (white) color for all game layers.

https://grugbrain.dev/

11:27

this is golden

11:27

"inexperienced big brain developer see nested loop and often say "O(n^2)? Not on my watch!" complexity demon spirit smile"

11:27

danger abstraction too high, big brain type system code become astral projection of platonic generic turing model of computation into code base. grug confused and agree some level very elegant but also very hard do anything like record number of club inventory for Grug Inc. task at hand generics especially dangerous here, grug try limit generics to container classes for most part where most value add temptation generics very large is trick! spirit demon complex love this one trick! beware!

11:28

Microservices grug wonder why big brain take hardest problem, factoring system correctly, and introduce network call too seem very confusing to grug

11:30

grug, like all sane developer, fear concurrency

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as much as possible, grug try to rely on simple concurrency models like stateless web request handlers and simple remote job worker queues where jobs no interdepend and simple api

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optimistic concurrency seem work well for web stuff

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occasionally grug reach for thread local variable, usually when writing framework code

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some language have good concurrent data structure, like java ConcurrentHashMap but still need careful grug work to get right

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grug has never used erlang, hear good things, but language look wierd to grug sor

Cringe

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Cringe

rly? xd

11:30

i find it funny

I don't have humor

ye i forgot ur german

11:31

(heinrich dont ban me, this is german humor)

11:32

@Jupstar ✪ idk why grug reminds me a bit of chiller

Chiller is the smartest person i know. Best ideas. Best implementation. The best

Build DDNet client Pls help

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Sedonya

Build DDNet client Pls help

What is that command line? Use cmake to generate "Unix Makefiles" or project files for Visual Studio, depending on what you want to use. The linker error suggest you didn't install Rust (correctly).

I got a question for pretty much everyone with a laptop. Would you rather recommend getting a mac (probably a newish one) or something else (like a lenovo or something good enough) and then putting some linux distro on it. (edited)

not sure how well linux works on the new macs these days

Devinci

I got a question for pretty much everyone with a laptop. Would you rather recommend getting a mac (probably a newish one) or something else (like a lenovo or something good enough) and then putting some linux distro on it. (edited)

thinkpad carbon goes brrr

heinrich5991

not sure how well linux works on the new macs these days

Yeah no. I heard there's some kind of dual but mac/ linux going on. But if I get a mac it's probably to stay on it

gerdoe

thinkpad carbon goes brrr

Thanks I'll keep it in mind ^^

12:03

Seems a bit expensive tho

Devinci

I got a question for pretty much everyone with a laptop. Would you rather recommend getting a mac (probably a newish one) or something else (like a lenovo or something good enough) and then putting some linux distro on it. (edited)

I like the M1 MBP, definitely don't get an Intel one

ye m1 is fast af

12:05

i prefer linux tho

yea also the 14” mbp is a joke iirc it’s pretty neutered compared to the bigger ones and just go with an air at that point

12:06

no cooling iirc

It depends on what u want to do. I have a laptop too and recommend you a desktop PC with rtx 4090

Ewan

yea also the 14” mbp is a joke iirc it’s pretty neutered compared to the bigger ones and just go with an air at that point

what does this mean

12:06

i think i got the mac book pro (small?) from work, and it cools rly well

they don’t put fans on the small ones

never found it hot

Jupstar ✪

It depends on what u want to do. I have a laptop too and recommend you a desktop PC with rtx 4090

I want a laptop, can't take my desktop everwhere I go sadly

which generation

Devinci

I want a laptop, can't take my desktop everwhere I go sadly

Just need to be creative

how to know without opening it?

12:07

xd

MacOS means basically no gaming

12:07

I dunno if u care about that

deen

I like the M1 MBP, definitely don't get an Intel one

Why no intel if I may ask?

it has usb-c on sides and the charger is the apple magnetic thing

12:08

it doesnt have the thing on the keyboard that they removed on newer gens iirc

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

b794c00 Disable sound in integration tests - def- 222e12a Increase waiting times for client in valigrind (fixes #6773) - def- 6f95eed Merge #6777 - bors[bot]

12:08

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6773 Flaky integration test with Valgrind

12:08

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6777 Increase waiting times for client in valigrind (fixes #6773)

probs newer gen

Ryozuki

it has usb-c on sides and the charger is the apple magnetic thing

i thought magsafe was only on the m2 air

Jupstar ✪

MacOS means basically no gaming

Already got pc for that ^^. Now I just want some decent laptop to work. No mouse or anything, just a laptop. I've used one for a week and the touchpad seemed decent

unless the m2 pro is out and i missed it

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not magsafe

12:09

its another thing

12:09

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12:09

oh maybe it is

12:09

its this

Devinci

Already got pc for that ^^. Now I just want some decent laptop to work. No mouse or anything, just a laptop. I've used one for a week and the touchpad seemed decent

Which kind of work^^

that is magsafe

Probably just code x)

mac touchpad is definitly on the high end i think

Then m1 is probably nice indeed

12:10

Or m2

the thing is m1 is arm

12:10

not x86

12:11

if u wanna code depends

I probably wont touch anything lower than C, so it shouldn't matter right?

❓

Ehh..

❗

Ok nvm

If u stay inside c standard spec

12:12

Then yes

@Devinci thats broad

12:13

im just saying u will have to be careful

12:14

some deps may be only on x86

12:14

but rosetta may help

12:14

i havent had any issues tho

Ah, ok makes sense

12:15

You've been doing rust on a mac?

And u should expect certain libraries to not work great on macos

Welp, that's good to know

12:17

And putting some vm seems kinda stupid right?

Generally since apple is closed ecosystem, it doesn't get the most support of open source devs

Devinci

You've been doing rust on a mac?

i only use mac cuz my company provided it, so i use it when i go to office

12:18

otherwise i use my gentoo linux

12:18

but u can use rust on mac ofc

Well, thanks a lot all. I'll still need to think exactly what I want to do... wouldn't want to be stuck cause some lib doesn't work well

It's mostly libs that use or implement an API . So your math library will probably work without problems

if its for work, think what u do at work and what they require u, software u use etc

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6769 A few ideas to further extend the functionality of the reserved slot

is there a good mobile coding app? like, if you want to write code but you're at work?

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With phone?

yea

Troll

i wanna do smth but im not at my computer rn

Notes

1

I've not been able to use my phone for creating new stuff

I've once fixed a ddnet bug with phone in holidays.. it's even in the change log

12:33

link/quote?

Ddnet org downloads

12:35

Phone keyword

[Client] Check fully transparent quads with negative alpha [Jupeyy (on phone)]

troll

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termux or bust

Jupstar ✪

who added para zoom

cyberFighter

who added para zoom

Fireball

its cool stuff

agreed :)

15:02

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6196 has some discussion about the implementation details

15:04

parallax zoom is beautiful was really needed imo, zooming without it really didn't look good

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6779 Consistent naming for std::list variables

Current std::list variables in our code:

cpp
std::list m_lpEditJobs;
std::list m_Cache;
std::list Indices = ...;
std::list listOfChars;
std::list m_IDs;
std::list Indices = ...;
std::list Indices;
std::list m_lpWriterFinishJobs;
std::list Indices = ...;
std::list HitCharacters = ...;
std::list listOfChars;

Option A (prefix for list and its element type): std::list m_lpEditJobs; Option B (no prefix for list and its element type): ``` std::list m_E...

is std list a linked list

16:07

why are we even using linked lists

lmao jopsti mobile gaming

Voxel

is there a good mobile coding app? like, if you want to write code but you're at work?

Micro IDE

16:11

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@Voxel i use my work pc to write private code

16:12

ah i guess it depends on what you work

16:12

i work at a pc :D

16:13

if you dont have a work pc bring private laptop to work

16:13

using phone is the worst

ReiTW

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is that the gboard

16:20

if so then i dont want google to listen in on me writing shitty code with my voice

16:20

ngl its ironic because i never get personalized popups

16:21

at least ones that surprise me

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

Ryozuki

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

coherent english sentence nouis

nouis

my english too bad for it

https://xkcd.com/2793/

xkcd: Garden Path Sentence

i am very confused. if i call LinesBegin() and LinesEnd() after i get an assertion saying i began lines twice. if i remove the linesbegin i get the assertion linesend called without linesbegin. ???

did you put one of them in a loop

nope

did you forget to do quads end?

           Graphics()->LinesBegin();
            for(...)
            {
                          ....
                          Graphics()->LinesDraw(...;
            }
            Graphics()->LinesEnd();
             Graphics()->QuadsEnd();

basically this (edited)

I don't think you can have Lines and Quads active at the same time. it's setting the render function of the gpu so it can only be one

hmm okay ill try

18:33

ah nice it works

18:34

ty for fast reply i wouldve probably been stuck there for some minutes questioning my existance

(edited)

np :)

I already have it redirected to port 8303 but I can't play on my server with a friend, sv_register is set to 1, and changed to ipv4

18:48

Help me pls

Can I use a custom master server to hide my server in public list? So only users who added the ip of mine could see them. (everyone could connect by directly entering the ip)

becc

Can I use a custom master server to hide my server in public list? So only users who added the ip of mine could see them. (everyone could connect by directly entering the ip)

just dont register the server, players can still connect with the ip

yeah, but my way would work as well?

what's the point of a custom master server?

nothing. just want to know

idk if the client can set a custom master server url

that is, my server may not appear, but can I log in via an IP?

you can always login with ip

will my friend be able to come in? if he doesn't show my server?

if Firewall is configured properly

firewall is this:

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19:03

?

was there never space between them? xd

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и чо

firewall is this:

do u really want to open a server to the public if you dont even know what a firewall is? better it would be better to research a bit

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do u really want to open a server to the public if you dont even know what a firewall is? better it would be better to research a bit

I'm sorry, it's over, but why say that right away? I definitely want to do it, what's stopping me? and besides, I asked a question to help me, I use a translator.tk I'm not English.I want to show the map to my friends, besides, my server was working, and what is it that I don't know, it was easier to say than to humiliate me somehow

Jupstar ✪

was there never space between them? xd

It was "Refreshing..." before. It looks better without the space with the icon font

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Robyt3

It was "Refreshing..." before. It looks better without the space with the icon font

mh k

и чо

I'm sorry, it's over, but why say that right away? I definitely want to do it, what's stopping me? and besides, I asked a question to help me, I use a translator.tk I'm not English.I want to show the map to my friends, besides, my server was working, and what is it that I don't know, it was easier to say than to humiliate me somehow

if u really want it, just google "firewall" lmao

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mh k

but it would look better if it was an animated spinning icon while it's refreshing

ez

Want to merge #6755?

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6755

Remove individual RGBA sliders from editor color picker, add shift+...

Remove the individual RGBA sliders for editor color pickers and only show one button that opens the color picker popup instead. Decrease size of layer and point popups that previously had color pro...

ok, but if someone hates the change u have to deal with him

becc

if Firewall is configured properly

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some translation please ?

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shouldn't protocol be UDP?

what even is a BCE protocol?

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Banque Centrale Européenne, infiltrated by russian spy obviously

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ВСЕ this all

19:48

translate all

[ddnet:master] 6 new commits

bb5e203 Remove individual RGBA sliders from editor color picker - Robyt3 0aa55e2 Add str_isallnum_hex - Robyt3 f30682b Add color4_base::PackAlphaLast and UnpackAlphaLast - Robyt3 2db5693 Add color_parse function to parse strings as colors - Robyt3 7b98236 Add shift+rightclick/leftclick to copy/paste color in editor - Robyt3 05ddfba Merge #6755 - bors[bot]

19:50

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6755 Remove individual RGBA sliders from editor color picker, add shift+rightclick/leftclick to copy/paste color in editor

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