I guess its kinda luck if the alternatives are better or worse.
Russia once was on a good way even with putin for more democracy.
Sad that instead, they chose to try to rebuild the udssr
09:53
maybe he should not listen to the udssr anthem so often, it is too great xd(edited)
our government always tried to be friendly to russia (in newer times), they did it of course for their reasons, but since what Putin did, no one can defend Russia here anymore
Fussel
our government always tried to be friendly to russia (in newer times), they did it of course for their reasons, but since what Putin did, no one can defend Russia here anymore
for example, chinese could take over europe with just slingshots, they would just walk over us
Fussel
our government always tried to be friendly to russia (in newer times), they did it of course for their reasons, but since what Putin did, no one can defend Russia here anymore
imho false, it has a lot to do with citizens, but they have been grinded to live under dictatorships as far as russia exists, so it's kinda hard for them to think about anything else
10:14
+ everyday propaganda that everyone is out to get them + high self esteem of individuals no matter their living conditions
ach right, because temporary hard times, are way worse than permanent cuckoldry by state
10:15
look at germans after the war, it was super shitty for them (im talking about ww1)
10:15
they could have held the trenches and keep fighting for many more years, but they gave up seeing as it was pointless to just waste people lives, and then they were treated terribly
10:16
and bang U had ww2, and after that it was very hard to them economically and in everyday life (also during that time, america learnt how great it is to get resources of a destabilized country, which became their buisness model for later years)
yes germans were involved in ussr collapse, west and east germany :-v
Overlord
imho false, it has a lot to do with citizens, but they have been grinded to live under dictatorships as far as russia exists, so it's kinda hard for them to think about anything else
you never lived under such a regime, it is not that simple. ppl can think, propaganda will not change this. you probably don't know how and therefor why these regimes work
Fussel
you never lived under such a regime, it is not that simple. ppl can think, propaganda will not change this. you probably don't know how and therefor why these regimes work
it's extremely simple. all govemernts want as much contorl and micromanaging as possible of their citizens, so they push it little by little, if there is no strong opposite reaction they just do whatever they want, Ur western govs included
tbh hitler did great for germany, his only mistake was he was too hasty, if he let the engineers work for little more then, we would probably all be speaking german
Overlord
tbh hitler did great for germany, his only mistake was he was too hasty, if he let the engineers work for little more then, we would probably all be speaking german
tbh hitler did great for germany, his only mistake was he was too hasty, if he let the engineers work for little more then, we would probably all be speaking german
thats not even really true
other countries like UK or France did just as good and even better
it was simply a time of booming enconomy after 1920 years
thats not even really true
other countries like UK or France did just as good and even better
it was simply a time of booming enconomy after 1920 years
they did not do as good, first germany had air superiority, which was shown pre-war on spectacle for hitler and stalin, second they were on their way to develop nukes, third even 1 Tiger tank could take 20 T-34 tanks, but T-34tanks flooded the battlefield so they won by mass
why they will go and do anything that will cost them more than they have currently
Overlord
they did not do as good, first germany had air superiority, which was shown pre-war on spectacle for hitler and stalin, second they were on their way to develop nukes, third even 1 Tiger tank could take 20 T-34 tanks, but T-34tanks flooded the battlefield so they won by mass
i didnt say these things were good. i just said, that they could have won had he not been really hasty, also getting rid of Neo-gothic as form of writing was GOOD AND GREAT in itself
and if hitler wasnt greedy, they (france and UK) wouldnt do anything for years, also french were still in their bubble after ww1 that they're simply superior
Overlord
and if hitler wasnt greedy, they (france and UK) wouldnt do anything for years, also french were still in their bubble after ww1 that they're simply superior
i would say because, they cucked everyone else, french suffered greatly due to introduction of euro, as they cant control their own currency (which for big economy like them is a bad thing not a good one)
cough cough ribentrop-molotov, cough cough, if hitler didnt try to wage war on 4 different fronts at same time (including against ussr) then we can only speculate
10:29
also USSR stole nuke blueprints cough cough
gerdoe
yeah i think ussr did literally nothing to prevent hitler and his army
@Overlord i don't want to pun you, but you are wrong in almost any dimension. The other component of such regimes is "looking like successful". They never were. The ppl had been as poor as in Weimar, the whole military force was build with a carefully hidden debt of horrible dimension and the end of this regime did come as it couldn't steal anything anymore. Hitler didn't have the choice to at least wait. He ran out of money, and he never had a plan other than stealing it. He told this by himself, did it very often.
Jupstar βͺ
i really wonder how china will evolve the next years
their current buisness, is as always long term (Because they dont think in terms of families but clans) probably will keep stealing technology, and lending money to developing nations to later on take over land as debt grows
Overlord
their current buisness, is as always long term (Because they dont think in terms of families but clans) probably will keep stealing technology, and lending money to developing nations to later on take over land as debt grows
yep, but we have never seen a wealthy dictatorship yet
question is if the people will start a revolution sooner or later
10:32
its also possible that china will have a huge economic regression
10:32
most of the population are not educated still
Fussel
@Overlord i don't want to pun you, but you are wrong in almost any dimension. The other component of such regimes is "looking like successful". They never were. The ppl had been as poor as in Weimar, the whole military force was build with a carefully hidden debt of horrible dimension and the end of this regime did come as it couldn't steal anything anymore. Hitler didn't have the choice to at least wait. He ran out of money, and he never had a plan other than stealing it. He told this by himself, did it very often.
hitler didnt have choice, because of his health, and also he was never great military general, he simply had the right people for it, also entire point of mine is that WAR boosts economy and it did, overall they were way richer, now wars mostly look like this... Country has resources -> destabilize country -> praise opposition -> opposition takes over country -> claim they're terrorist state -> wage war
not educated population is easier to control, second china is still a very delicate thing, because people there are not stupid (overall, fear can only keep people down for so long, but i think they got grinded down a bit with hongkong protests)
hitler didnt have choice, because of his health, and also he was never great military general, he simply had the right people for it, also entire point of mine is that WAR boosts economy and it did, overall they were way richer, now wars mostly look like this... Country has resources -> destabilize country -> praise opposition -> opposition takes over country -> claim they're terrorist state -> wage war
cant justify stalin, who had way more issues in my opinion, very little man of behavior, starving ukraine as a punishment, telling his soldiers to destroy defensless cities that gave up, only to shoot a movie
his entire political career started with the fact, that he was supposed to attend meetings of some party and report on them, except the guy couldnt keep his mouth shut, and started preaching to them and with them
10:37
apparently he was a great talker, but cant tell i dont speak german
as 1936 was the year he got the "power" as far as i recall
10:37
either way it all doesnt matter, all i want to point out is war is great for economy
10:37
ofc often not for the countries involved
Overlord
cant justify stalin, who had way more issues in my opinion, very little man of behavior, starving ukraine as a punishment, telling his soldiers to destroy defensless cities that gave up, only to shoot a movie
I will not say, that Israel is a state of bloodshed, and jews always separate themselves even in countries that welcome them, be it now or a thousand years ago
he, also killed countless doctors that saved peoples lives :-v
Overlord
I will not say, that Israel is a state of bloodshed, and jews always separate themselves even in countries that welcome them, be it now or a thousand years ago
yep, also he's "good" because of the things i said earlier, as in fixing the economy, and advancing (not himself) the technology, because wars are great boosters of technology
@Overlord i hope at least you can follow your trains of thought
Overlord
yep, also he's "good" because of the things i said earlier, as in fixing the economy, and advancing (not himself) the technology, because wars are great boosters of technology
He did not boost the economy. Hed simply did not boost the economy. That you believe in that shows why these regimes work. The whole national socialism is lying to all and put anyone in fear to oppose even in neglible topics
Fussel
He did not boost the economy. Hed simply did not boost the economy. That you believe in that shows why these regimes work. The whole national socialism is lying to all and put anyone in fear to oppose even in neglible topics
if it didnt boost economy people wouldnt fall for that, U think post ww1 germans were stupid? also it has a lot to do with french soldiers treating people in germany like subhumans
yeah stalin was so horrible that ppl in udssr welcomed the nazis
from todays perspective this is kinda creepy
Fussel
He did not boost the economy. Hed simply did not boost the economy. That you believe in that shows why these regimes work. The whole national socialism is lying to all and put anyone in fear to oppose even in neglible topics
it's huge because of fur buisness, but there's no integrity, also russia has same population as japan, despite being humongous, also as is everywhere in the world, people are racist, so the more mongol caucasians in russia are worse than people in cities :-v
there are only two issues i see right now as somone uninvolved, war to divide russia if it falls (usa, europe, china), and nuclear fallout if Putuk goes crazy or his successor is even more greedy and crazy
10:57
also nations rich in natural resources, always develop badly, because they dont see the need, but apparently norwegians and arabs learned this from books, and invest in things that are more permanent than oil
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only hope for ukraine is that they join the EU
then i could imagine lot of debt will be tilted
@Learath2 I dont defend dictators per se, but if they did something noteworthy, it's good to point out, i still believe the only system under which world can be at peace is dictatorship, problem is the fact that there's no eternal dictator as a person... also some dictatorships are truly ridicolous like north korea, but if U suddenly changed North Korea they would get eaten by the world, also how do U allocate 20 milion of population who just got introduced to phones (recent years) and where probably 10% have used intranet
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mhh i dunno, ukraine is simply not rich yet
i could imagine instead they try to build economy there
they have lot of farmland etc.
i have some ukrainians around me, not all of them refugees. all of them state their country is bricked. they don't have any hope that this will change at least not in their lifetime
Fussel
i have some ukrainians around me, not all of them refugees. all of them state their country is bricked. they don't have any hope that this will change at least not in their lifetime
as long as there are bricks, and food, rebuilding will take up to 30 years
11:03
so unless they're in their 50's rn it would be hard for it to not get rebuild, even if war goes on for next 10 years (unless we include nuclear fallout)
i wish, america stopped fucking their and global citizens with their money printer(edited)
Overlord
so unless they're in their 50's rn it would be hard for it to not get rebuild, even if war goes on for next 10 years (unless we include nuclear fallout)
but while i worked at hospital, i wont count ukrainian patients, but i will count workers as those are the only ones i interacted with, and yes i have a different opinion than You regarding rebuilding matter. People who give up, before they begin are crybabies.
Yes, based on Ur sentence, so it's how You presented them, that allowed me to formulate an opinon.
11:13
so now, am i to blame or are You, either way, even thought i did visit like 40% of my country, i dont believe there are people who visited all 100% to say, "it's impossible to rebuild in a lifetime"
still my opinion stands, unless somone starts fixing the problem and then gives up it's fine, but if somone already has this mindset before starting then it cant lead to anything good
11:17
also have to lookout for people trying to get rich on other people's suffering
11:17
sad or hopefull people are easier to manipulate
11:18
and i want to point it out again, that ukraine also had a lot of corruption, but their citizens atleast have sense of unity, probably because of Crimea war
how can U know what people went through though, also i personally would rather have everyone live in villages up to 50-60 people, instead of cities of milions
11:21
so in my ideal world it would never become issue, problems start when people who banded together exploit the ones that wanted to live peacefully
11:22
and no running away to alaska, or some new guinea islands wont solve issue, because global issues like pollution or wars affect even those that have no idea of how big the world is
11:24
also i dont understand what's wrong with "do it, try, fail [ either die or try harder ]"? that's how it has been for countless years? all the revolutions big and small
11:24
if not for this mindset, china would still be a monarchy with emperor, instead of communist state
11:25
bah it would probably be qing or han dynasty for OVER 2000 years
Overlord
how can U know what people went through though, also i personally would rather have everyone live in villages up to 50-60 people, instead of cities of milions
because i met many ppl who went through very hard times, and i met many ppl who never experienced real difficuties. Almost all of the latter speak the way you do. Always having simple answers, no will of understanding how things really are. Life was quite good to you, and that is fine. It was quite good to me, and that's fine. But not every one has so much luck.
You beat me congratz, summing up all my life in a simple sentence of life was good, thanks i would say mediocre, but yes i didnt have to work in coal mine and die at age of 13
11:28
i admit defeat, have a good one it's pointless to argue, when U sum it up to "personal attack"
have you ever tried to understand what someone, a human being, feels when he leaves his home country because it's hopeless in his opinion? They usually don't leave because there are better places to live. Leaving your home country hurts, you know?
have you ever tried to understand what someone, a human being, feels when he leaves his home country because it's hopeless in his opinion? They usually don't leave because there are better places to live. Leaving your home country hurts, you know?
"They usually don't leave because there are better places to live" it's called economic migration and it happens constantly so this sentence is feeling based, regarding wether something hurts or not depends on individual, his character, and his personal experiences with the country
11:33
for me personally, i more pity the ones that stay, risk their lives
you would because your society is worth of it in your opinion, now think again, what would you do if you would live in a society that is "bricked" in your opinion. Fighting for your country might be an option if there is enough you would defend. Fighting for nothing isn't.
11:38
that's what "hopless" means
Fussel
you would because your society is worth of it in your opinion, now think again, what would you do if you would live in a society that is "bricked" in your opinion. Fighting for your country might be an option if there is enough you would defend. Fighting for nothing isn't.
well i had really long sentence, about earth, countries and people, but i guess i will keep it to myself and instead say that everyone has their own lives, opinions and experiences, and even though it may not look like it, everyone has some sort of choice (even when sometimes the choice is death)
pilonpl
Can a normal person even help in a substantial way?
well once a man plays an RTS game, he understands that everyone who is involved in fighting is just a resource to be used my somone else at the top, so yeas, normal single person does a lot if U make a formation out of those
i wonder how many people left lol, in modern world U cannot escape a rocket, nor nuclear fallout because we still cannot control wind
11:54
so in a full blown war like worldwar it's better to be associated with some faction
11:55
but in a country to country war, i would try my luck with escaping eventually try to land a safe job like hospital employee
11:55
hospital employees are exempt from war, aka they're forced to work at hospital and cannot escape either, but atleast they're assigned somewhere -- somewhere where they know "how things are"(edited)
@pilonpl also people wouldnt die so eagerly ( they still dont ) without any belief that there's some more to their lives, i guess some would even go insane
me neither, also the religious scriptures are same regardless the situation, I have just been on funreal of somone sick their entire life, and dying before adulthood, and the script praised the god for the life he gave ...
btw i started thinking about those who are either stillborn or born and then instantly die, and if it were a book, it would just mean they were npcs that were supposed to influence main character
12:16
that's why i sometimes wonder what is this life, but if we look at nature and evolution then it's just randomness at play
tbh i wish religion was less regulated, because i surerly would join a sect to have a sense of belonging :-), also i really hate when goverments try to regulate and micromanage people lives and thinking
atleast U dont have to swear allegiance to it like they do with the flag in america
12:19
also as somone who works at school, i think only few classrooms do have them (especially comapred to when i was a student :v)
Overlord
tbh i wish religion was less regulated, because i surerly would join a sect to have a sense of belonging :-), also i really hate when goverments try to regulate and micromanage people lives and thinking
yes, i guess, but the less the better? i mean i wouldnt bat an eye for somone reading quran, or somone reading bible out loud, problem is while both can have fanatics and murderers, one literally says inside that they cannot be friend with somone of another faith
yes, i guess, but the less the better? i mean i wouldnt bat an eye for somone reading quran, or somone reading bible out loud, problem is while both can have fanatics and murderers, one literally says inside that they cannot be friend with somone of another faith
true permanent hearing damage, mood swings and other things
12:27
then again, when it comes to animals, their natural habitat is constatnly destroyed in poland even tho amount of trees stays same, but those are different trees that just grow fast, and are molike like monolith
12:27
thus biodiversity is dying god i hate how they run this country
i think we're talking about two totally different things, im talking about Ur electricity provider that, transfers electricity from the powerplant to Ur house
12:35
these batteries are not good for long even short term, also they're expensive in lives but nobody cares about that
there are many different types coming, but problem is either weight
12:41
or capacity
12:41
also it's like with the oil buisness, sometime's because there's a lot of rich people having a monopoly, even if something is good on paper it cannot be tried in practice due to lack of funds
12:42
electric cars were tried 100 years ago already
12:42
anyway, i fear this push of electric cars, because of their resalle value
12:42
imagine U left Ur car, like everyday, then ended up in hospital for a month
12:43
battery which is most expensive part extremely degraded during that time ( like regular car acumulator do, when U leave them )
12:43
and now U basically dont have a car lol or atleast 50-60% of the worth of car*(edited)
how come things before 1980 still work even the ones that had electrical components, and now U buy a washer and it dies in 5-6 years with "unfixable" or "it would cost more than a new one" said by technican
hey, how dare U call the, highly skilled underage labourer that way!!!
12:49
ehhhh U cant change people's mind, also these public enviormentalists never touch upon real issues, like transporting stuff via plane(not people), the shit weird ass fuel they burn in tanker boats ( i actually would say tanker boats are necessary evil ), and while we were still on war topic, nobody cares about enviorment and the amount a tank burns lol
12:50
either way, prepare urself because soon? (maybe 20 years) all enviormental fault will be pushed on everyday people, like the plastic bags in shop, the "carbon footprint" and how much U have traveled, and so on and on
12:50
we're constantly going for dystopia
Overlord
how come things before 1980 still work even the ones that had electrical components, and now U buy a washer and it dies in 5-6 years with "unfixable" or "it would cost more than a new one" said by technican
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