DDraceNetwork - developer

@Robyt3 explicitly linking NtosKrnl.lib may fix the windows undefined reference issues (edited)

Yo amigos, anyone know a good way to get your dummies' coords even if its outside of render distance? Currently im trying this with the dummy's ID and it returns {0,0} once my main gets far away from it. (edited)

BillionRay

Yo amigos, anyone know a good way to get your dummies' coords even if its outside of render distance? Currently im trying this with the dummy's ID and it returns {0,0} once my main gets far away from it. (edited)

Just a guess, but maybe the chat command /showall 1 might help? "Whether to show players at any distance (off by default)"

ooh

UnlucksMcGee

Just a guess, but maybe the chat command /showall 1 might help? "Whether to show players at any distance (off by default)"

thanks, that did the trick!

1

another botter helped

yeah hold on

BillionRay

Yo amigos, anyone know a good way to get your dummies' coords even if its outside of render distance? Currently im trying this with the dummy's ID and it returns {0,0} once my main gets far away from it. (edited)

what are you trying to do? :o

Voxel

what are you trying to do? :o

To detect if the dummy is where i left it

Ryozuki

another botter helped

Spotted the cynic

06:23

This is NOT greenthing

If something like this gets released to the public that might cause some trouble https://youtu.be/AJF7iMXodbE

slats

Strong Gores Bot w/ Aimbot

06:30

That fully convinced me it’s not a human

BillionRay

Spotted the cynic

99% of the randoma ask for help for bots, indirectly

06:34

and i still believe u are here for that

Ryozuki

99% of the randoma ask for help for bots, indirectly

I will ask directly next time I suppose

So you are botting

yes pls, so we know not to help

need bot?

06:39

chillerbot.github.io

@Ryozuki I Just had a look at chillberbot-ux, found this camp feature. This is pretty much what im doing rn. You consider this botting?

yeye dont talk to me

09:22

i aint talkin to botters

ChillerDragon: ryo refuses to talk to you further troll

Chiller always the exception

ChillerDragon that camp feature is against the rules btw

whose rules

09:55

I’ve only ever seen chillerbots on block servers

We do not allow any client feature that does inputs for you, unless it's also in the official client

gerdoe

ChillerDragon: ryo refuses to talk to you further troll

I was going to say that to ryo, but he instructed me to not talk to him (edited)

Learath2

We do not allow any client feature that does inputs for you, unless it's also in the official client

What do you mean by 'do not allow'? What is the penalty?

Learath2

We do not allow any client feature that does inputs for you, unless it's also in the official client

‘Your’ rules are irrelevant if he’s not playing on your servers. Lol

Ewan

‘Your’ rules are irrelevant if he’s not playing on your servers. Lol

You are so cool when you are being pedantic. Ofc we can't do anything about servers other than ours.

BillionRay

What do you mean by 'do not allow'? What is the penalty?

The penalty for using it on a ddnet server is a ban like all other bots

Sorry. I didn’t mean to be a pain in the ass

10:00

I just figured he knew it was against ddnet rules when he made it and so it’s redundant to point out (edited)

Ewan

I just figured he knew it was against ddnet rules when he made it and so it’s redundant to point out (edited)

Who, me or chiller?

Chiller

10:01

I think you’re breaking the rules lol

I guess so, but i dont really play ddnet

Just giving you a heads up is all. Not like we can stop you from coding whatever you like.

Yeah np, for what its worth i have no interest in making something to cheat in ddnet servers

Since 3 days we talk about bots

10:05

An anti afk bot might not hurt the racing competition but it still does smth a human can't do

10:05

So other ppl see it and want it too

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of people making these bots and even less a fan of them being available for the public

For any automated input the anti bot has to assume u are a cheater anyway

The anti bot?

10:07

Is there even anything like that on the ddnet servers? I have never seen anyone get auto banned for botting

<Jupstar> The big ban

10:09

<Jupstar> mhh interesting

10:09

<Jupstar> seems like my mobile discord ain't working anymor

The big ban

10:09

The big ban

Huh?

The anti bot exists yes

10:10

I dunno how good it is, BCS i never challenged it xd

Gotcha

bruh another bot client is coming

Antibot for kog and fng is more obvious

10:16

Because they’re easier to write bots for

Ewan

Antibot for kog and fng is more obvious

10:18

write another implementation of antibot pls

Ewan

Antibot for kog and fng is more obvious

Yeah i figured. I see people get flagged on fng and fokkonauts server all the time. I wonder how much of that is because people use bots more there and how much because the antibot is more sensitive

Learath2

We do not allow any client feature that does inputs for you, unless it's also in the official client

Are bullet lines against the rules? That isnt technically automated input

<Jupstar> but automated vision

BillionRay

Are bullet lines against the rules? That isnt technically automated input

What is bullet lines? Like hooklines but trajectories for projectiles?

10:23

The rule is no automated input. The rest are a bit of a grey area, I'm of the opinion that it's fine mostly because impossible to detect anyway

I'd say they are a cheat anyway. If in CSGO the cursor would tell you where to aim for a better spray or how far off your aim is to hit the head of an opponent, it's an unfair advantage

No killing in ddnet so it's a little better, but I do get your point

Jupstar ✪

I'd say they are a cheat anyway. If in CSGO the cursor would tell you where to aim for a better spray or how far off your aim is to hit the head of an opponent, it's an unfair advantage

CS2 Follow recoil

<Jupstar> uff, didnt know CS2 added such a feature

10:42

<Jupstar> but if the game adds it as defaults its ofc no cheat... if this is a good addition is ofc a different question

Learath2

The rule is no automated input. The rest are a bit of a grey area, I'm of the opinion that it's fine mostly because impossible to detect anyway

no, bullet lines are also against the rules

11:28

they give you a gameplay advantage over the original client

heinrich5991

no, bullet lines are also against the rules

Where do we even have this written down? I'm sure I would have objected to the addition of this clearly unenforceable rule if we ever discussed it

we probably haven't written it down anywhere

11:31

in that sense, a proper aimbot would also be undetectable

11:31

so I don't think this is a good line

An aimbot has a chance to be detected. A rendered line on the screen has no chance to be detected unless you want to go closed source and add clientside anticheat

no, not if you do it properly

11:32

also, this has nothign to do with being open source (edited)

Afaik any reasonable aimbot can be deduced by looking at recorded footage of the player in question. For the bullet lines, if someone is perfectly hitting bounces first try, that too can become suspicious

Or atleast only allow binary releases. Whatever, point is we can't detect it while allowing any client we haven't directly built

i compile my own from git with my ebuild

If it doesn't do inputs for you it's not a cheat in the context of ddnet, atleast if it were my servers that's how I would do it.

I think that's not consensus

Which is why I said it's how I would run my own servers, and why I said it's a bit of a gray area when asked in the official context

I see

11:36

we can have that discussion, if you want to

It's a grey area because it's not written down and at the very least you and I seem to disagree

Who is the final authority/ owner in ddnet anyway?

heinrich

11:37

even if he denies it

BillionRay

Who is the final authority/ owner in ddnet anyway?

Very technically deen, but he doesn't play that card ever

Ooh @heinrich5991 nice to meet you

So in practice anyone with a light green name + heinrich gets a say in every decision

which is really sad

Ah ok makes sense

Ryozuki

which is really sad

Whys that sad? How would you want it?

i like openness

11:39

open discussion

11:39

open decisions

Ryozuki

which is really sad

heinrich is good

11:39

but im still waiting for options feelsbadman

@gerdoe no, heinrich hardly moves out of what he thinks is good

Ryozuki

i like openness

Very rarely there is anything to be decided in secret anyway. I guess the picking of new mods is about all that happens in private

Learath2

The rule is no automated input. The rest are a bit of a grey area, I'm of the opinion that it's fine mostly because impossible to detect anyway

I'd say anything that makes gameplay easier than "DDNet client without extra tools" is considered a cheat

Ryozuki

@gerdoe no, heinrich hardly moves out of what he thinks is good

whatever but his decisions are good mostly

heinrich5991

they give you a gameplay advantage over the original client

Oh, heinrich said so before too

gerdoe

whatever but his decisions are good mostly

thats ur opinion

11:41

i know many people disliked the single handledly enforcement of the new hammer

11:41

which is a BEFORE and AFTER era for ddnet

11:41

it rly changed ddnet drastically

Ryozuki

i know many people disliked the single handledly enforcement of the new hammer

That wasn't his decision alone

anyway, i have no say in this or many things

Not like he went rogue and pushed to master

yeah, he has rly good conversational skills, in that it makes others look stupid, and obviously he didnt push to master, but used his influence heavily

11:43

anyway we cant change the past

11:43

but thats how ddnet is now

Ryozuki

yeah, he has rly good conversational skills, in that it makes others look stupid, and obviously he didnt push to master, but used his influence heavily

What kind of criticism is that

for me, heinrich is like the BFDL of ddnet

11:43

bdfl*

BillionRay

What kind of criticism is that

u wont understand cuz ur new

1

11:43

he speaks like a politician

11:44

thats what i mean

Ryozuki

for me, heinrich is like the BFDL of ddnet

I don't think BDFLs usually get overruled

yeah he is still here xD

@Ryozuki wait, aren't you in unique?

Ryozuki

bdfl*

Learned a new term, thanks

i am, but i dont rly partake much in the activities xD

11:45

why

Seems weird that heinrich argues in your favor and you against him

Ryozuki

yeah, he has rly good conversational skills, in that it makes others look stupid, and obviously he didnt push to master, but used his influence heavily

How is the ability to convince other people a bad thing? Not like we agreed to it without thinking about it because he is well spoken

were did he argue in my favour?

In our private #admin chat about race maps

Learath2

How is the ability to convince other people a bad thing? Not like we agreed to it without thinking about it because he is well spoken

its not a bad thing per se, just frustrating on my part xd

deen

In our private #admin chat about race maps

i just know timakro told me is hosting some servers in taiwan or smth

11:47

but just because he says well stuff doesnt mean i would say he is the best right

11:47

just like im hosting the wiki i dont expect anything

11:48

anyway im not even badmouthing

11:48

its my opinion on him, he does lot of controversial decisions thats it

<Jupstar> @Ryozuki just code smth everyone wants, but only you can maintain. then u are the hostage taker lol

deen

I'd say anything that makes gameplay easier than "DDNet client without extra tools" is considered a cheat

There is some sense to this, but what would projectile lines even help with? I imagine it would be mostly used for planning rocket shots which you can just do by spamming a couple

@Jupstar ✪ xd like what? everything is done

11:49

and i lack time

Yeah, Jupstar is the BDFL of the gfx code. Become like him if you want influence

Learath2

There is some sense to this, but what would projectile lines even help with? I imagine it would be mostly used for planning rocket shots which you can just do by spamming a couple

That and quickly seeing if someone is reachable by rifle/sg

just wanted to say that dev chat can be a echo chamber for decisions, nothing wrong with asking others about opinions, like i did with the friend list that robyt made and posted on #general

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ xd like what? everything is done

Erlang masters. None of us could maintain anything about it

@Learath2 or be like robyt and do everything, he has the right to be bdfl

Learath2

Erlang masters. None of us could maintain anything about it

that would be dope, but i would use https://gleam.run/

Ryozuki

@Learath2 or be like robyt and do everything, he has the right to be bdfl

But the things he does is generic, you need to become an irreplaceable cog if you want true bdfl powers

which runs on the erlang BEAM

11:53

btw its june

11:53

c++20

<Jupstar> letse go

11:54

<Jupstar> https://ubuntu.com//blog/18-04-end-of-standard-support

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11:54

<Jupstar> since 31 may already

11:54

<Jupstar> xd

there is something else we can update besides c++20 right

11:55

i forgot

11:55

im sure there are new shiny things

Ryozuki

@Learath2 or be like robyt and do everything, he has the right to be bdfl

Sorry, but that sounds super wrong to me. BDFL is more of a descriptive term for a specific leadership role within an open-source project, rather than a defined right.

<Jupstar> @Ryozuki rust?

11:56

<Jupstar> or do we drop opengl 1.x

murpi

Sorry, but that sounds super wrong to me. BDFL is more of a descriptive term for a specific leadership role within an open-source project, rather than a defined right.

i know, i was kinda joking

ws-client

<Jupstar> or do we drop opengl 1.x

uh ok

rust deps

11:56

true

11:56

we can update rust to newer version

<Jupstar> why even do this with rust at all?

in steam it says we only support opengl 2.1+

<Jupstar> just enforce rustup

cuz heinrich

11:57

he wants to support old debian rust

<Jupstar> thats really weird

<Jupstar> isnt it nice that rust doesnt do it so shitty over system package manager

i never use the rust from system package manager

11:58

rustup is so powerful

I like using it from the arch repos

<Jupstar> yeah

it gives me automated updates

put rustup update in .bashrc

11:58

but yeah

11:58

heinrich wants it

11:58

no need to argue

<Jupstar> or convince rustup to make a plugin for the system package managers

you can install rustup via arch's package manager as well

11:59

or convince rustup to make a plugin for the system package managers

that sounds stupid ^^ it does away with the entire reason of system package managers

i forgot at which version of rust we are

i.e. you could just use rustup itself instead

in ddnet

<Jupstar> yeah but apparently u like package manager auto update more

i also dislike heinrich rust style

<Jupstar> so if the package manager simply triggers rustuo

12:00

<Jupstar> rustup

12:00

<Jupstar> xDD

ah

12:00

I see

<Jupstar> @Ryozuki the includes?

yeah

<Jupstar> i wonder if vscode would simply refactor them when i click save xD

and idk libtw i hate it, but probs cuz its rly old code

yes, rustfmt nightly can do it

12:01

can you maybe be less negative about stuff I create, @Ryozuki?

<Jupstar> i actually dont care, aslong as i dont need to do it manually :D

I don't go around saying other people's creatiosn are crap

u said that urself now

12:02

i just said i hate the style its written with

12:02

dont put words in my mouth

and idk libtw i hate it, but probs cuz its rly old code

hate is not saying its crap

12:02

but i was talking in the context of code style

I also don't go around saying I hate other people's creations

12:02

I see, still not nice

but better

im out

thanks

12:03

this was not nice

12:03

good morning developers of ddnet

good morning

<Jupstar> whom do i insult if i say ddnet is crap? xd

probably a collective, so less bad

12:04

especially since you're in it

ws-client

<Jupstar> whom do i insult if i say ddnet is crap? xd

Every person that likes ddnet, obviously (edited)

i just need to make a mental note

12:05

dont comment on anything relating to heinrich

12:05

but well even joking is not something u can do

<Jupstar> @Learath2 pm me ssh key for discord bot server

That'd be ddnet.org justatest

Perfect

Or give me skin database pw and invite my DC bot

12:06

I can also host it

What bot?

12:07

We need one more discord bot?

Skin uploading

I don't think we'll allow that ever to happen again. jao self-hosting the @DDNet bot was kind of a pain in the butt (edited)

YAYADDB

i was making ryochan

murpi

I don't think we'll allow that ever to happen again. jao self-hosting the @DDNet bot was kind of a pain in the butt (edited)

What happened

you can try run 2 runtimes a time

to replace @DDNet in rust

will this work tho

It's ok we can run another bot, just confused why you didn't just add onto one or the other

gerdoe

you can try run 2 runtimes a time

I wonder about that too xd

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69796271/simultaneously-running-separate-programs-using-the-same-token

Simultaneously running separate programs using the same token

I have written a Discord bot using JDA (Java-Discord-API), which is added to one of my servers. I know that the bot is using OAuth to make sure the source of the commands (in this case my Java code...

12:09

seems it works

Ez

Learath2

It's ok we can run another bot, just confused why you didn't just add onto one or the other

pyson moment or smth

I guess I'll merge it into either @DDNet or @YADDB or @DDNet

12:09

One day

Ah we have 3 bots

you should name the other DDNet bot [D] DDNet

4

Jupstar ✪

What happened

He was the only person who was able to do anything with the bot. If it ever broke, we'd have to wait for him to fix it

Nice

murpi

He was the only person who was able to do anything with the bot. If it ever broke, we'd have to wait for him to fix it

Ah I see xd

louis

you should name the other DDNet bot [D] DDNet

To DDosNet

DNNet

Twinbop

twinbopp

@Learath2 did u know

12:11

string concat in erlang doesnt allocate another string iirc

12:11

since they are linked lists xd

<Jupstar> wtf

but they slow

12:12

but well erlang is not made for that

12:13

also erlang has first class bit syntax

12:13

-define(IP_VERSION, 4).
-define(IP_MIN_HDR_LEN, 5).

DgramSize = byte_size(Dgram),
case Dgram of 
    <<?IP_VERSION:4, HLen:4, SrvcType:8, TotLen:16, 
      ID:16, Flgs:3, FragOff:13,
      TTL:8, Proto:8, HdrChkSum:16,
      SrcIP:32,
      DestIP:32, RestDgram/binary>> when HLen>=5, 4*HLen=<DgramSize ->
        OptsLen = 4*(HLen - ?IP_MIN_HDR_LEN),
        <<Opts:OptsLen/binary,Data/binary>> = RestDgram,
    ...
end.

12:14

Here, the segment corresponding to the Opts variable has a type modifier, specifying that Opts is to bind to a binary. All other variables have the default type equal to unsigned integer.

>

An IP datagram header is of variable length. This length is measured in the number of 32-bit words and is given in the segment corresponding to HLen. The minimum value of HLen is 5. It is the segment corresponding to Opts that is variable, so if HLen is equal to 5, Opts becomes an empty binary.

12:14

interesting xd

<Jupstar> wow my attention span for reading long qoutes goes against 0

xd

12:16

and yes erlang syntax sucks

Ryozuki

since they are linked lists xd

Linked list of strings or linked list of characters? If strings, it's not exactly an awful idea

elixir improves a bit xd

Learath2

Linked list of strings or linked list of characters? If strings, it's not exactly an awful idea

strings iirc

Even better idea is tree of strings, truly revolutionary

hm