DDraceNetwork - developer

open source would probably be the only thing compelling enough to make me use something other than VS when i need it

01:18

the only noteworthy thing here is the vs solution & project management, everything else seems like generic IDE features

Yeah I just realized it's not even free

01:33

Kinda trash lol

yea and the guy has game dev background

I thought it was being developed by Epic but actually they just added support for it

louis

i say ddnet should break backwards compatibility

i think we should just embrace steam integrations. steam account, steam networking etc

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Patiga

no I haven't, I don't have an apple device

It's not apple specific. It's basically webgl implementation for browsers

Jupstar ✪

It's not apple specific. It's basically webgl implementation for browsers

ah right its metal not angle

07:06

but still no ^^

Observeration: The favorites tab requires the master server to work or to timeout before IPs are shown, which is abit annoying.

https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20230609005903.D6C632B02483E418@freevisitday.com/T/#u

murpi

Observeration: The favorites tab requires the master server to work or to timeout before IPs are shown, which is abit annoying.

Mh yeah. We had a relatively good up time yet, and showing ips sounds undesirable. Also we apparently removed the leak ip option inside the UI. So favorites are not as useful without master server anymore. I think we once discussed saving a old master server list on disk all the time, but rejected the idea BCS of potentially old data, which might be unintuitive if the data is old enough(e.g. for ppl where firewall suddenly blocks data etc.)

Why not cache the server name for a certain amount of time like 1 week

08:33

Instead of ip show the cached server name, only players/max players wont be shown

@cyberFighter

09:02

@ReiTW lmao bpf nigerian prinz scammer

xD

<Jupstar> !rust https://i.imgur.com/jcseM5Z.png

@Ryozuki

<Jupstar> lmao

09:26

<Jupstar> what drama did i miss

09:29

“L”

1;3A

09:33

ops

<Jupstar> !c apparently u dont see my offtopic ping

ChillerDragon

ddnet offtopic is buffer 106 in my weechat xd

09:34

i dont really see pings there haha

09:36

but yea also on webchat it doesnt show you ping notifictions like on discord for other channels its a todo

ws-client

<Jupstar> !rust https://i.imgur.com/jcseM5Z.png

due to : https://web.archive.org/web/20230612040007/https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/146y5y1/announcement_rrust_will_be_joining_the_blackout/

Announcement: /r/rust will be joining the blackout on June 12th. He...

This is enshittification: surpluses are first directed to users; then, once they're locked in, surpluses go to suppliers; then once they're...

but i probably have plenty of time to implement such things until @heinrich5991 finally bridged offtopic xd

09:36

<Jupstar> @ReiTW i c

i rust

<Jupstar> i c q

xd

10:49

holy

10:49

undeclared variable detection!

10:49

damn

<ChillerDragon> pog

11:03

<ChillerDragon> better than rust

hmmm, cant wait for ryo to implement his own undeclared variable detection in Rust

hi, development gods

11:17

when chat translate clientsided feature (edited)

If you buy an API key for 3k active users we can do that

11:18

I hope u have a million left (edited)

I also don't know how it would work with everyone's chat being sent to an external translation provider, sounds like a privacy nightmare

Jupstar ✪

If you buy an API key for 3k active users we can do that

They charge you for characters

Atleast deepl and google translate. 500.000 are free, for 1 million characters a month you'll pay 20 bucks

Just force everyone to learn English

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1

We could allow an API and stub for ddnet to load an own implementation. Then it's at least not our concern

Jupstar ✪

We could allow an API and stub for ddnet to load an own implementation. Then it's at least not our concern

Like Antibot?

learn english

11:21

its a valuable skill

Avolicious

Like Antibot?

Basically yes

@Jupstar ✪ host a server with a LLM translating

11:21

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ host a server with a LLM translating

Just use OpenAI, what could possible go wrong justatest

Gpt4 is og. A friend of my brother a doctor in Latin. He said gpt4 is basically native speaker

I can now send my production crashes to OpenAI to tell me how to fix them:

https://docs.sentry.io/product/issues/issue-details/ai-suggested-solution/

AI Suggested Solution

Learn more about the AI integration to suggest a solution to an issue.

deen

I can now send my production crashes to OpenAI to tell me how to fix them:

https://docs.sentry.io/product/issues/issue-details/ai-suggested-solution/

Did u actually try? ^^

11:24

I always found it bad when it comes to such stuff xd

No, I'm waiting for approval before I potentially send customer data to another company

11:24

Backtrace could contain something interesting like table names

Jupstar ✪

Gpt4 is og. A friend of my brother a doctor in Latin. He said gpt4 is basically native speaker

The only main concern would be if you would use this service for humans below 16, GDPR needs parental consent

Jupstar ✪

If you buy an API key for 3k active users we can do that

there are free translators in internet to use, why pay?

They will just rate-limit at any amount we'd require of course

Smetanolub

there are free translators in internet to use, why pay?

Yeah they totally want our Traffic

Smetanolub

there are free translators in internet to use, why pay?

They are mostly fair use and automated access is in most cases against their ToS

well, i dont know

11:26

but i know surely translate inside the game would be neat

There were clients offered this feature

there are already china brutal 4-5 players who play on ger with ping 320

dont know if they still exists

and russian players meet ger players too

11:26

languige barrier is not cool

Go for english

we should make it the way when you see original message and translation next to it( original message in chat and translated next to it, on the right)

11:28

if tw could help learn languges it would be cool

11:28

there also many new players that are kids and dont know even english (edited)

Avolicious

Go for english

i know english as you can see my friend

11:29

but german players speak german with each other and im tired to alt tab to browser to translate

<Jupstar> its probably more likely that kids know english, with all their tiktok trash input

ws-client

<Jupstar> its probably more likely that kids know english, with all their tiktok trash input

no, in russia there is english lang in schools, but the cool part is-even teacher sometimes dont know the subject of teaching

Thats a nice feature for sure, but as you mentioned it also bring great responsability. In europe you'd, i guess, thankfully have the GDPR. So adding this feature would need every player to accept either the DDNet ToS & Privacy Policy or give their consent to allow DDNet send their data to Deepl or Google for example.

if its not moscow or saint-petersburg, teachers dont teach you eng at all

<Jupstar> well anyway. The only thing we could realistically do is an API. then u can load your free translator, until you get banned because what you do is breaking their TOS

Avolicious

Thats a nice feature for sure, but as you mentioned it also bring great responsability. In europe you'd, i guess, thankfully have the GDPR. So adding this feature would need every player to accept either the DDNet ToS & Privacy Policy or give their consent to allow DDNet send their data to Deepl or Google for example.

why cant we make our own translator and use it?

Smetanolub

why cant we make our own translator and use it?

Because translation is complicated

11:31

Its not like just use a dictionary

11:31

In most cases you cant translate 1:1

<Jupstar> if u explain to me how human languages work in 20 words, im ok with it

Am I crazy, I swear 0.7 had some type of translator justatest

just make parsing one time from some google translate for popular lang

Skeith

Am I crazy, I swear 0.7 had some type of translator justatest

no

It didn't?

Avolicious

In most cases you cant translate 1:1

we dont need 1;1

Smetanolub

just make parsing one time from some google translate for popular lang

But it depends on the sentence, caching the result will lead to a HUGE database

<Jupstar> i dont know any game doing that.. as said it costs lot of money

just translate like you can, that would be very nice already

Atleast the traffic will cost thousands of dollars

<Jupstar> if at all some game created by microsoft or other big players

Wtf am I remembering then

ws-client

<Jupstar> if at all some game created by microsoft or other big players

Thats why rocket league removed their chat and used static chat stuff only

Skeith

Wtf am I remembering then

there was xclient for 0.7

11:34

aimbot, endless drawing players at any distance bypassing the server max distance, and translator

11:34

it was closed source sadly

But a client-side addon would be fun. So the user has to pay for the translation api on client-side

Avolicious

But a client-side addon would be fun. So the user has to pay for the translation api on client-side

yeah

11:34

just some lua script

I didn't use a custom client afaik, besides fclient

Skeith

I didn't use a custom client afaik, besides fclient

me too, cheat clients are fun but they have reputation risks for u, so i use only no cheat clients

Teeworlds Players dont pay for servers, but for translation apis. Thats gigachad

Avolicious

Teeworlds Players dont pay for servers, but for translation apis. Thats gigachad

you want to make DLC "translator for messages" in steam? lmao

11:36

many players would buy it just to cheer up ddnet

Smetanolub

you want to make DLC "translator for messages" in steam? lmao

Even if you use Google Translate or Deepl or Yahoo Translate, you need an API access. Costs around 20 bucks per 1 million characters

we can do donation at main ddnet page for that

11:37

i remember there was donations for servers

<Jupstar> i think u dont understand smth critical: ppl will abuse the fact that there is a cost per characters

11:37

<Jupstar> and this will increase the cost

I do understand, just trying to tell that it will be very pricy

<Jupstar> i didnt mean you

11:38

<Jupstar> i mean the guy thinking we could handle it over donations ^^

Ah, yeah donations prob. wont cover this at all

11:39

Not even cloudflare is covered by donations

11:39

They offered 3k/location/month and 1k setup fee. Sounds fair, huh?

<Jupstar> the reddit protest is extremely annoying. Many ppl use that instead of stack overflow <.<

11:58

<Jupstar> google cache also not there ;c

ws-client

<Jupstar> i mean the guy thinking we could handle it over donations ^^

i dont think we can