DDraceNetwork - developer

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06:00

wat did u send there? xd

06:00

why is there a emoji in your emote

“:rage:”

06:15

not from this discord

<ChillerDragon> yo discord oosers wat dis arrow do?

06:45

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686465943.png

06:46

<ChillerDragon> does it collapse the complete channel list pane?

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<ChillerDragon> or open server info?

server stuff

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settings etc

<ChillerDragon> can u collapse it?

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<ChillerDragon> to look like chat.zillyhuhn.com

its a callout

<ChillerDragon> wats callout

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<ChillerDragon> click

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<ChillerDragon> on da icon=

like a dropdown

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a new window

<ChillerDragon> wot

<ChillerDragon> is the ddnet banner there without clicking v

yes

06:47

the banner is always there

<ChillerDragon> we need that too

06:48

<ChillerDragon> banner hot

ddnet logo ugly

<ChillerDragon> wot

but yeah banner cool

<ChillerDragon> no

default tees with orange brown colors are not ugly?

06:48

it should have some twinbops etc then it would look better

<ChillerDragon> yes

xd

<ChillerDragon> not ugly

06:49

<ChillerDragon> lets not sexualize ddnet banner

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<ChillerDragon> twinbops is top3 most sexualized default skins

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<ChillerDragon> it not brand safe

<tester> wait wot where am i

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<tester> opsi i am in real channel xd

06:50

voxel once trie a bit ddiferent one

<ChillerDragon> dunno bout that

its still not perfect

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but good direction

<ChillerDragon> too many colors

yeah

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black cat is overkill

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he also didnt make it as logo tbf

<ChillerDragon> shit why it posted here

i dont even know what u mean

oh boi thanks

06:53

it doesnt arrive on irc :D

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webchat just has some cursed interchannel mix

06:53

i should stop testing my dev progress with nudes

@Voxel when do you try to make a ddnet logo. i like the simplism of the current. but if i wouldnt know ddnet. the logo would look too cheap to me. maybe u disagree, thats ok. But i'd still like to see a try from you

07:09

most logos from famous 2d games focus on the text mostly apparently https://www.raymanpc.com/wiki/script-en/images/thumb/e/eb/Rayman-legends-logo-full.png/345px-Rayman-legends-logo-full.png https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/terraria_gamepedia/images/a/a4/NewPromoLogo.png/revision/latest?cb=20200506135559 https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/images/6/68/Main_Logo.png https://media.printables.com/media/prints/5479/images/35579_8ae7463b-b83a-43b5-8cb1-1c84f49775e0/thumbs/inside/1280x960/png/factorio-logo-1300x.webp

07:10

i have to say, the rayman logo has charm, gj ubisoft

<ChillerDragon> all those logos are ugly af and dealbreaker i would never install such a game

wtf

07:11

ddnet looks like paint against them xD

07:11

<ChillerDragon> no

look at this

<ChillerDragon> looks very hot

trollerdragon

<ChillerDragon> im serious

07:12

<ChillerDragon> imo no game can compete with the design and visuals of tw

ingame has nothing to do with this logo

<ChillerDragon> thats one of the reasons why its the best game

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<ChillerDragon> it does

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<ChillerDragon> its sharing a artstyle

Jupstar ✪

It depends on compiler anyway

I thought it was a consequence of the standard tbh

!c this logo looks to me 0% like the visuals ingame or represent them

ChillerDragon

<ChillerDragon> for me it does

i think only our flags have these shadows

<ChillerDragon> of course in cinnematic

Learath2

rm -rf --no-preserve-root /

rm -rf /*

<ChillerDragon> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Minecraft_cover.png

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<ChillerDragon> this is also not how minecraft looks

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<ChillerDragon> cinnematic freedom of a logo

well it comes close. but at least it looks better than ingame

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686467728.png

07:15

<ChillerDragon> hot af

totally

<ChillerDragon> looks even better than in game

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<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686467857.png

<ChillerDragon> e

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<ChillerDragon> hm

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<ChillerDragon> ok convinced

07:18

<ChillerDragon> new ddnet logo

perfect

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686467961.png

1

07:19

<ChillerDragon> update logo pls

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<ChillerDragon> thank

omg so perfect

07:19

the choice of color

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ah btw i find teeworlds logo better

<ChillerDragon> https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.ppbaR9fC_bF69972otzCfwHaEo%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=13e25cf8124ad9468f9dd4861f93f5df4d7cad78cefb5c4045e03568f316d151&ipo=images

07:20

LMAO

07:20

where did u find that xDDD

07:21

tw logo has weird proportions tho

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686468069.png

maybe needs an update

07:21

heinrich, when he moderates this chat: https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/380840/header.jpg?t=1578354106

gerdoe

unique ptr is not zero cost?

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1113389951929810984

<ChillerDragon> http://i.solidfiles.net/2626c4aaaf.png

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<ChillerDragon> ass

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represents tw 99%

<ChillerDragon> cute

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<ChillerDragon> edating

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<ChillerDragon> when put shorts on ddnet.org front page

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<ChillerDragon> gotta spice things up go with the time

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<ChillerDragon> make ddnet tiktok for young audience advertisement

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<ChillerDragon> check this

out

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<ChillerDragon> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/h9qoyPN-azk

David Villa - Teeworlds

ALED ADDICTION (DDNet / Teeworlds)

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<ChillerDragon> thatll get 2k new tiktokinger ddnet gamers

07:27

<ChillerDragon> fossil deen probably still paying for facebook ads to get new ddnet players. Thats why average age these days is 32 on ddnet servers.

Jupstar ✪

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Delete this one, it's ableist

<ChillerDragon> reply moment

i dont even know what ableist means

<ChillerDragon> lerato pumping out da daily fancy english vocab

so ableist of u jop

07:33

it means discriminatory to disabled people

07:48

as in learath is disabled when it comes to the women

heinrich5991

I thought it was a consequence of the standard tbh

i mean to which extend? does rust spec force the compiler to make Option (or whatever u had as example) be zero abstraction in all sceneraios where it makes sense? Or is the compiler simply written smart enough... the cpp compiler can also optimize away a heap allocation completely if it wants to: https://godbolt.org/z/qWY11azq1 i'd say that's literally zero abstraction ^^ (even the heap abstraction is gone) generally with O3 and Ofast lot of stuff gets actually abstracted away or inlined. But yes, it often doesn't and it probably depends a lot on where exactly you use these abstractions. a member variable unique_ptr might not be optimizable bcs of some weird standard thing GCC says Ofast is not standard compliant. Still (if u dont enable weird stuff like fast math) it will probably generate valid code if u didnt introduce UB. (or do you talk about zero cost compile time, my answer was about runtime perf) (edited)

Compiler Explorer - C++ (x86-64 gcc 13.1)

// Type your code here, or load an example. int f1() { std::unique_ptr a = std::make_unique<int>(int(1)); return *a; } int f2() { return 1; }

kind of a bs term but it’s life

07:49

Ewan

it means discriminatory to disabled people

ah thanks for explaining

07:50

really never heard it

07:50

dunno what shakespear learath read for that

twitter term

<ChillerDragon> had to boot up fakin electron matrix to see ableist was referencing the tw cuddle image

xd

07:51

u are using element?

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or do u mean discord

<ChillerDragon> which is virus so only way to quit is kill $(pgrep -f element)

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<ChillerDragon> element spyware

damn

07:51

get a better matrix client

<ChillerDragon> oh actually i do have one

there were good cpp ones last i looked into it

<ChillerDragon> i guess old habbits

mobile is why i used element

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686469957.png

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<ChillerDragon> gomuks is pretty nice

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<ChillerDragon> idk why i dont use it more

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<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686469986.png

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<ChillerDragon> it does images in the terminal xd

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<ChillerDragon> but its still matrix so everything is slow and buggi

lol

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i forgot you can use thunderbird to chat on matrix.. Damn

<Jupstar> lmao

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<ChillerDragon> edit moment

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<Jupstar> !c when make edit not suck in irc

ChillerDragon

<Jupstar> cant the bridge just ignore the edit xD

08:03

<ChillerDragon> should i update messages based on levian distance resends?

08:04

<Jupstar> eh wat, yeah just do something

08:04

<ChillerDragon> this mf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance

Levenshtein distance

In information theory, linguistics, and computer science, the Levenshtein distance is a string metric for measuring the difference between two sequences. Informally, the Levenshtein distance between two words is the minimum number of single-character edits (insertions, deletions or substitutions) required to change one word into the other. It is...

08:05

<ChillerDragon> if same author sends two similar messages replace first with second

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<Jupstar> i see

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<Jupstar> would be cool xd

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<ChillerDragon> might be cursed

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<Jupstar> totally not overkill

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<ChillerDragon> xd

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<ChillerDragon> it took so long to make the fake multiline messages xd

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Jupstar ✪

i mean to which extend? does rust spec force the compiler to make Option (or whatever u had as example) be zero abstraction in all sceneraios where it makes sense? Or is the compiler simply written smart enough... the cpp compiler can also optimize away a heap allocation completely if it wants to: https://godbolt.org/z/qWY11azq1 i'd say that's literally zero abstraction ^^ (even the heap abstraction is gone) generally with O3 and Ofast lot of stuff gets actually abstracted away or inlined. But yes, it often doesn't and it probably depends a lot on where exactly you use these abstractions. a member variable unique_ptr might not be optimizable bcs of some weird standard thing GCC says Ofast is not standard compliant. Still (if u dont enable weird stuff like fast math) it will probably generate valid code if u didnt introduce UB. (or do you talk about zero cost compile time, my answer was about runtime perf) (edited)

The as-if rule allows everything the compiler can prove. The issue is the halting problem, the compiler can't reduce every piece of code to it's optimal form

08:11

But there is no issue with it reducing some constructs to an optimal form, so if you design your language in such a way that it's easily provable to a compiler that it reduces, then you'll have a better time. Because a "sufficiently smart" compiler still can't cover every case

Learath2

The as-if rule allows everything the compiler can prove. The issue is the halting problem, the compiler can't reduce every piece of code to it's optimal form

yeah you are right. I personally would not fight too much about these 2 instructions tho. You go crazy if you do such stuff use LTO, O3 and static linking and the compiler will make good enough binary probably^^ (edited)

08:11

sometimes it sounds like all devs are working on super computers where a single instruction actually costs smth

1

It's been a while since I watched the unique_ptr talk but iirc it was an ABI issue btw

08:12

We promise that a unique_ptr will be passed a certain way, that forces us to use a double indirection

Learath2

It's been a while since I watched the unique_ptr talk but iirc it was an ABI issue btw

yeah ^^ but in static linking it should™️ not matter, should it?

Static linking + LTO and the compiler is definitely allowed to generate optimal code. Though idk if any do

How is dev chat rn

gucci

Feeling more like learath every day

08:29

08:29

This emote is awesome

<ChillerDragon> @Learath2 do you work out?

Not anymore, I did for a month or so a month back

08:35

It just never felt good and I don't have time for it now

<ChillerDragon> why no time

️

Exam month. I'm too lazy to study properly so exam months are always very busy

08:40

Thank god I atleast absorb info rather quickly

<ChillerDragon> when leak university images alr

here ChillerDragon: Learaths university

<ChillerDragon> ai

<ChillerDragon> lerato u got so mani grils in ur class

08:46

<ChillerDragon> go ask one out

You have exams

08:47

School

08:47

Social outings

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08:47

I have mom and dog and grocery store sometimes

<ChillerDragon> i also have some grocery stores

08:48

<ChillerDragon> they make me good profits

Learath2

It just never felt good and I don't have time for it now

need to spend more time

the indont have time is the first excuse u need to get rid of :p

<ChillerDragon> u dont have time

08:48

<ChillerDragon> you make time

True

<ChillerDragon> so leave this chat and do push ups!

Lol

08:49

Apt complex has one-room gym in the leasing office down the street but it’s closed after 6:00 and on weekends

08:50

Like

08:50

I can’t do much with those times

<ChillerDragon> no need to blame gym times when you can do push ups at home

Home is boring

<ChillerDragon> u pay for gym to motivate ur self?

I don’t pay

08:51

It’s in leasing office

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Free for tenants

<ChillerDragon> watever that is

08:51

<ChillerDragon> o

08:51

<ChillerDragon> cool

Jupstar ✪

i mean to which extend? does rust spec force the compiler to make Option (or whatever u had as example) be zero abstraction in all sceneraios where it makes sense? Or is the compiler simply written smart enough... the cpp compiler can also optimize away a heap allocation completely if it wants to: https://godbolt.org/z/qWY11azq1 i'd say that's literally zero abstraction ^^ (even the heap abstraction is gone) generally with O3 and Ofast lot of stuff gets actually abstracted away or inlined. But yes, it often doesn't and it probably depends a lot on where exactly you use these abstractions. a member variable unique_ptr might not be optimizable bcs of some weird standard thing GCC says Ofast is not standard compliant. Still (if u dont enable weird stuff like fast math) it will probably generate valid code if u didnt introduce UB. (or do you talk about zero cost compile time, my answer was about runtime perf) (edited)

not guaranteed by any rust standard, but its pretty agressive optimizing enums, with option box u can be sure it will use the null ptr value as a tag for none

<ChillerDragon> mr fancy pants building

08:52

<ChillerDragon> @Ewan leak ur home

Ryozuki

not guaranteed by any rust standard, but its pretty agressive optimizing enums, with option box u can be sure it will use the null ptr value as a tag for none

yep and thats also good like that

08:52

all in for perf

Complex is less than 2 yrs old and destroyed by the residents

cpp should go more all in too and break stupid old stuff

<ChillerDragon> new af

08:52

<ChillerDragon> send images

It’s a dump

<ChillerDragon> dont be shy

08:52

<ChillerDragon> this is private environment

Ewan leak whole biography.. dont be shy

08:53

All i got

08:53

No other fotos

<ChillerDragon> good

Sry for dm leak broken

i think only like 4-5 people, except companies, i don't know in real life know my real identity. and deen is one of them

08:54

Deen could google maps me rn

deen knows everybody pepechill

i know someone who knows chillerdragon in realife

even me

ez

<ChillerDragon> i know someone in real life that knows jupsti

08:54

<ChillerDragon> ez

ez

konsti

It was awesome when it was built but nothing is sacred to poor people so we get litter and broken shit

I havent met him, but he sent me pictures of himself

They opened the pool last week and within a day they had an incident with a glass bottle so they had to close it again

<ChillerDragon> > i think only like 4-5 people, except companies, i don't know in real life know my real identity. and deen is one of them

Fuck section 8

<ChillerDragon> you mean online?

Ewan

They opened the pool last week and within a day they had an incident with a glass bottle so they had to close it again

fun ruined

<ChillerDragon> imagine doxing ur self to deen

I got a magnet bro there was no question

!c yeah i mean like ppl i know over the internet

ChillerDragon

like u guys

08:56

u know

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> imagine doxing ur self to deen

Anything for a sticker

like not actual ppl

08:56

u could all be in my head

<ChillerDragon> i can confirm i am not actual ppl

Ah yes, who would've thought it was AI chillerbot all along

Lol

08:58

This apartment was a blessing though

08:58

First tenants and stuff

as if ryo is not my conscience, reminding me to use Linux and Rust every day

Lol

Jupstar ✪

cpp should go more all in too and break stupid old stuff

cpp cant do this cuz they respect the order of ur fields

09:04

and more

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6731 Increase minimum delay between emotes

The current delay is not enough to prevent lags.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memche...

Jupstar ✪

as if ryo is not my conscience, reminding me to use Linux and Rust every day

xd

Ryozuki

the indont have time is the first excuse u need to get rid of :p

No I actually don't have the time. With my focus deficiency I barely have enough time to learn everything by exam time. If I fail after getting this close because I was going to the gym I would give up on life

did u know a null pointer can be valid

09:06

if ur not talking about address space 0 that is

optional pointers. the future

Depends on how you define "valid"

u can deref it

09:07

my bad

09:07

just woke up

09:07

well im talking about llvm

int i = *nullptr

imy world is llvm

is not right

Address spaces in LLVM are an abstract concept and LLVM attaches no internal meaning to address spaces, apart from: - Location 0 in address space 0 is 'nullptr' and a pointer to this cannot be dereferenced in a well formed program. - pointers in different address spaces cannot alias.

Cuz rvalue

GitHub

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@Robyt3 on which vps does this cause lags, how do u even measure it?

Ewan

int i = *nullptr

im not talking about cpp

grag

why u always assumme everything is cpp xd

<ChillerDragon> did you just assume my programming language?!

Ryozuki

Address spaces in LLVM are an abstract concept and LLVM attaches no internal meaning to address spaces, apart from: - Location 0 in address space 0 is 'nullptr' and a pointer to this cannot be dereferenced in a well formed program. - pointers in different address spaces cannot alias.

Even with this definition you can dereference a 0 pointer in an address space othet than address space 0 but not a nullptr, no?

An address space is an identifier for a target-specific range of address values. An address space is a fundamental part of the type of a pointer value and the type of operations that manipulate memory.

>

LLVM affords a default address space (numbered zero) and places a number of assumptions on pointer values within that address space:

>

The pointer must have a fixed integral value The null pointer has a bit-value of 0

>

These assumptions are not guaranteed to hold in any other address space. In particular, a target may allow pointers in non-default address spaces to have non-integral types.

I have cpp brain

learn llvm

09:09

u learn so much more

09:09

dont be limited by cpp

cpp only modern language with common real pointers anyway

09:09

safe assumption when not talking about low level

Ewan

cpp only modern language with common real pointers anyway

no?

Jupstar ✪

@Robyt3 on which vps does this cause lags, how do u even measure it?

It was on an official server

09:10

Measured by players saying "lag"

Ewan

cpp only modern language with common real pointers anyway

rust has pointers too

i said real

ye

u use references usually

they real as can be

09:11

you have pointers too?

09:11

in cpp u have references too

09:11

extern crate libc;

use std::mem;

unsafe {
    let my_num: *mut i32 = libc::malloc(mem::size_of::<i32>()) as *mut i32;
    if my_num.is_null() {
        panic!("failed to allocate memory");
    }
    libc::free(my_num as *mut libc::c_void);
}

09:11

we c kek

Robyt3

Measured by players saying "lag"

they say that the whole day

Jupstar ✪

they say that the whole day

mod recorded a demo of it happening

ye that is real ptr but it’s in unsafe. which I don’t know how oftenyou actually use but hopefully rarely

Robyt3

mod recorded a demo of it happening

where is the demo?

but why how often matters here?

09:12

it has real pointers

idk

Robyt3

mod recorded a demo of it happening

was the server up to date?

u right

idk why u make it matter

there are so many questions

im arguing about nothing

xd

09:12

how late is it in murica

The server was at 632b6216be78dd60

3 am

we should add perf instrumentation to ddnet

09:13

ok idk what that means

09:13

ok i do

@Anime.pdf Do you mind sharing the demo and/or video showing the emote spam lag with @Jupstar ✪ in DM? (edited)

does it rly lag cuz emotes

09:14

learath is writing a bible

I always wanted a profiler builtin, but don't need a profiler to understand that sending 50n packets per second per player spamming is causes lag

lol

09:15

network stuff eludes me

s/is//

no review on my pr in 24 hours. i smell death

09:15

should have made it smaller

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/ptr/fn.copy_nonoverlapping.html

copy_nonoverlapping in std::ptr - Rust

Copies count * size_of::() bytes from src to dst. The source and destination must not overlap.

09:16

i think this uses llvm intrinsic memcpy

Ewan

no review on my pr in 24 hours. i smell death

You can rebase it on master to fix the Windows build

Ryozuki

i think this uses llvm intrinsic memcpy

Or libc memcpy, if they do use libc in rust std

Behavior is undefined if any of the following conditions are violated:

    src must be valid for reads of count * size_of::<T>() bytes.

    dst must be valid for writes of count * size_of::<T>() bytes.

    Both src and dst must be properly aligned.

    The region of memory beginning at src with a size of count * size_of::<T>() bytes must not overlap with the region of memory beginning at dst with the same size.

i like how rust cares about UB and they list it clearly on the method

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Robyt3

You can rebase it on master to fix the Windows build

okay, i took a look and it was complaining about std function which I’m using. if it said the source file of origin I didn’t see, i assumed it was my thing and I can’t fix rn cuz I can’t get vs rn

09:18

if rebase fixes tho sweet

09:19

it probably doesn’t like my type alias ufh

09:20

stupid

09:21

and the mac fail seems like some crap i forgot i changed

09:21

I’ll deal with it tomorrow but it should build on gcc of all flavors if that’s your concern

https://youtube.com/shorts/CRzA9R2LLUA?feature=share

Luc 1

Important message from joeyy

09:33

Important

<ChillerDragon> lmao

I love joeyy

09:36

Inspiring

is our packet header 42 bytes long?

09:53

!c u work on this the whole day

ChillerDragon

ur time to shine

<ChillerDragon> no

enlighten me on the netcode

<ChillerDragon> https://chillerdragon.github.io/teeworlds-protocol/06/packet_layout.html

09:54

where does this 42 come from then?

09:54

dont we send in udp

<ChillerDragon> whcih code is that

09:54

<ChillerDragon> seems like the answer to everything

CClient::DebugRender

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> seems like the answer to everything

Lol

<ChillerDragon> 42 / 8 = 5

09:55

<ChillerDragon> which is closer to the packet header size xd

09:55

<ChillerDragon> maybe some drunk thought its bits?

09:56

<ChillerDragon> seems random to me

mh ok

09:56

so i cant trust these values

<ChillerDragon> no

09:56

<ChillerDragon> what you want to know?

an estimate overhead of emoticons

<ChillerDragon> xd

09:56

<ChillerDragon> still?

but it was way too much, but it sends many packets

<ChillerDragon> isnt it fast again?

bro i doubt Ger servers cant handle

<ChillerDragon> just open wireshark

but deen and robster want to destroy my beloved game

09:57

;~;

09:59

!c when i have filter active, is it also active in the IO graph?

ChillerDragon

i dont use wireshark so often

<ChillerDragon> whats IO graph

09:59

<ChillerDragon> xd

the stats tool

09:59

inside wireshark

<ChillerDragon> never used it

09:59

<ChillerDragon> i would look at the timestamps xd

09:59

<ChillerDragon> but graph sounds good

09:59

<ChillerDragon> but dont rec with wireshark

10:00

<ChillerDragon> tcpdump -i lo -w emotes.pcap "port 8303" then spam emotes on local server and then analyse the pcap file w wireshark

@Jupstar ✪ Have you tried your normal emote spam with the new delay? Even if I use a bind for one emote I never hit the delay. Only if I use one bind that sends multiple emotes does it hit the delay.

<ChillerDragon> ye wat robi said

10:00

<ChillerDragon> emote fin eon ddnet rn no?

no, currently it's too fast so it causes lags

Robyt3

@Jupstar ✪ Have you tried your normal emote spam with the new delay? Even if I use a bind for one emote I never hit the delay. Only if I use one bind that sends multiple emotes does it hit the delay.

i tested the 4 tick delay your change would introduce and its defs noticable with that

<ChillerDragon> oh

it's so fast that it causes lags on some russian server

10:01

no proof no happen

<ChillerDragon> robi leak tcpdump of lags

as if i have to endure pain bcs russia lives in 1980

<ChillerDragon> or didnt happen

10:03

the client also shows it in kilobits

10:03

such a troll

<ChillerDragon> stats always rigged

Robyt3

@Anime.pdf Do you mind sharing the demo and/or video showing the emote spam lag with @Jupstar ✪ in DM? (edited)

Sure, im not near pc rn, if you need demo as well, tell me, so i will try to send it as soon as possible

Anime.pdf

Sure, im not near pc rn, if you need demo as well, tell me, so i will try to send it as soon as possible

Okay, thanks, please DM the .demo to me or @Jupstar ✪ later when you have time

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we can edit whatsapp messages now

u still use this bloat

yup

<ChillerDragon> wat u usin jupsti

SiGnAL

<ChillerDragon> signal more spyware than discord

10:12

<ChillerDragon> it straight up forces you to connect a phone

10:12

<ChillerDragon> might as well use tiktok messenger

10:13

<ChillerDragon> also is whatsapp even bloat?

10:13

<ChillerDragon> def slimmer than discord

i have to use telegram for friends

<ChillerDragon> telegram is super shady imo

else matrix only actually.. ok matrix big bloat too

10:13

not gonna deny xd

<ChillerDragon> also doubt telegram is less bloat than whatsapp

my brother just forced my whole family to use matrix

<ChillerDragon> pog

10:14

<ChillerDragon> but element no multi user

10:14

<ChillerDragon> so u text ur parents under the name jupsti?

10:15

<ChillerDragon> element sucks so hard you can not sep identities

better than wire

<ChillerDragon> element no?

10:16

<ChillerDragon> wire supports multi acc

and yet it sux

<ChillerDragon> is faster and less buggy

full buggy

10:16

most buggy messenger ive seen in a while

<ChillerDragon> maybe on android

also windows

<ChillerDragon> garbage oses

10:16

<ChillerDragon> runs smooth as botter on iOS and linux

ur botter

10:17

<ChillerDragon> no proof

10:17

this is proof

<ChillerDragon> justatest

10:17

full proof

<ChillerDragon> fool proof?

ur the fool

<ChillerDragon> ur the proof

xd

10:19

convokillerdragon

<ChillerDragon> !pig

pog

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686479342.png

10:29

<ChillerDragon> is the screenshot from discord or webchat? who knows

10:29

<ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 when bridge off-topic

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1686479342.png

pig

its from webchat

11:31

its obvious

11:31

@keb

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6732 Split emoticon sending into nearby and global players

The reason for this rather overcomplicated solution is, that emotes are send to other players all the time. But just sending it to nearby players only would not work as the emoticon does not track animation time. So sending the emoticon later would restart the emote client side. A different fix, which we obviously don't want, is breaking compability with all older clients and move the emoticon into the snapshot. I also changed the config vars to use milliseconds instead of seconds. I d...

i vote for breaking back compat

4

12:58

@Jupstar ✪ ddnet 2 will start thanks to emotes

better than having no emotes

Do we really still care about Teeworlds ? justatest

@Pipou its also backcompat with ddnet iself

13:09

16.8 vs 16.9

Ah

loooots

13:09

of hacks

13:10

to keep backcompat

Force everyone to update gigachad

i am pro that

13:10

but rage will ensure

god i wanna help with ddnet 2 so badly i can give out so many ideas

13:11

for example: complete emotes rehaul

13:11

we dont need 3 angry emotes

Agreed

13:12

I don't even understand the point of having an outdated client

13:13

There will always be happy and angry people no matter what happens

Looks nice

13:15

Is that a sprite ?

yeah but its now from a defunct pr

13:16

Is there a place where I can put feature requests for the DDNet client??

whats a tornado supposed to mean

dizzy

13:17

or mildly annoyed up to interpretation (edited)

<ChillerDragon> @Nostr0 yes here https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/

Issues · ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

Animated emoticons would be fun

and then super reactions

<ChillerDragon> also i want fortnite dances for ma tee

Pipou

Animated emoticons would be fun

so a tile of pngs?

<ChillerDragon> gif

dont gifs like not work in games

13:20

sprays??????

I have no idea, would be good if it could play sprites directly

<ChillerDragon> yes sprays! xd

murpi

Click to see attachment 🖼️

ANIMATED WEAPONS TOO???

HELL YES DOOD

raytraced ;)

Weapons game skins working like tee skins

like when we inevitably split apart the game sprites, the weapons could be their own pngs and if you wanted them to be animated you could attach a python script that specifies all the coords and timing and states

Mr.Gh0s7

raytraced ;)

map shaders

i want rtx rifle with bouncing lights from the shot

different game.png so others can see yours

Ryozuki

i want rtx rifle with bouncing lights from the shot

@RonIn

i saw his vid

Pipou

Weapons game skins working like tee skins

^

but its postfx

ik

proximity voice chat guys

5

4

Pipou

Weapons game skins working like tee skins

yes

13:26

HEAR ME OUT AN ACTUAL INGAME AUTOMAPPER CREATION TOOL

accounts

#addaccounts

Already thought of the proximity voice chat, would be fun in t0 when people scream when falling down in front of you

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Voxel

@RonIn

@Voxel

Ryozuki

accounts

don't be unrealistic

interactive smoke physics and particle emitters in maps

murpi

don't be unrealistic

Voxel

HEAR ME OUT AN ACTUAL INGAME AUTOMAPPER CREATION TOOL

Mapping assisted by AI

1

AI DUMMY

Voxel

interactive smoke physics and particle emitters in maps

13:28

@Robyt3

wait what does interactive smoke physics mean thonk

Voxel

interactive smoke physics and particle emitters in maps

doesn't require breaking backwards compatibility, old clients would simply not use any smoke emitters

13:28

we already have interactive smoke physics

13:28

but they are hardly noticable because smoke last for less than half a second

god tauri required me to add a gtk webkit dep

13:28

gentoo time

13:29

i remember seeing an old video about there being a fire and theres smoke

13:29

and the tee jumping through it

13:29

i want that back

it's all still there

13:29

just add smoke

13:29

will try to integrate into maps soon

murpi

wait what does interactive smoke physics mean thonk

volumetric smoke = 10 fps

it's not very advanced but it works well enough considering there isn't much smoke

<ChillerDragon> we also need flashbangs

lets add map bosses!!!!!

we need to drop windows support too

<ChillerDragon> and quicksand

Ryozuki

we need to drop windows support too

no

Ryozuki

volumetric smoke = 10 fps

Don't need a lot of fps if you can't see anything anyway

too far shoo penquin shoo

<ChillerDragon> yes new ddnet 2 please appstore only

13:31

<ChillerDragon> metal and apple first

half your playerbase will die troll

Switch support

damn this topic died fast (edited)

Voxel

Click to see attachment 🖼️

xpanic

13:34

diep.io

true

Voxel

so a tile of pngs?

sprite sheet would be weird

but dont game engines hate gifs

nvm its like

13:35

the only solution

yea

either that or png for each frame

Voxel

but dont game engines hate gifs

gifs just suck

13:35

tbh

ddnet 2.0 entities https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852963051664834601/992566892692779018/unknown.png

Nostr0

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6733 Feature Request: Add button in editor to start the map currently loaded on a local server

Use case:

When testing maps you can quickly load the map from others into the editor via double click (or yourself when mapping) and press the "Test map locally" button. Feel tree to name it differently I just feel like this could make the development & testing of maps a little bit faster.

Behaviour:

If no local server is currently open it starts one and connects you to it. If a local server is already running it should load the current map from the editor and connect you to i...

Voxel

Click to see attachment 🖼️

ooo thats really cool

Pipou

Weapons game skins working like tee skins

do this when

Voxel

ANIMATED WEAPONS TOO???

we would need to separate parts of the weapon

14:25

in 0.7 this would be ez af for you

14:26

When 0.7 Asset support, so it's possible? greenthing

murpi

wait what does interactive smoke physics mean thonk

u press 6 to take out a bong and then mouse 1 to rip it

~~louis is too young to know this much about a bong~~

@Voxel I was wrong, the flow component is currently disabled, but it doesn't take much code to enable again: https://github.com/Robyt3/ddnet/tree/Client-Flow-Activate (for testing I increased the smoke lifespan from 0.5-0.9 seconds to 50-90 seconds)

GitHub - Robyt3/ddnet at Client-Flow-Activate

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - GitHub - Robyt3/ddnet at Client-Flow-Activate

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yeah i thought so

15:58

i hope i can make this work without a thousand errors

you mean smoke source tiles?

yeah

16:00

tiles you can place in maps that make their own smoke

16:00

or something like that id see if mappers would want this tho

we should probably add a completely new "Effects" layers for this

16:01

but for your prototype to see how it looks in maps it's not necessary

thats reasonable

16:02

theres a lot i want to do to make maps more immersive but i doubt any will see the light of day

@Learath2 thankies!!!

Robyt3

@Voxel I was wrong, the flow component is currently disabled, but it doesn't take much code to enable again: https://github.com/Robyt3/ddnet/tree/Client-Flow-Activate (for testing I increased the smoke lifespan from 0.5-0.9 seconds to 50-90 seconds)

yeah! there was a video where matricks showed flow feature out

bors[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

845ba50 Split emoticon sending into nearby and global players - Jupeyy 3040e3a Merge #6732 - bors[bot]

16:45

bors[bot]

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6732 Split emoticon sending into nearby and global players

cool

Voxel

tiles you can place in maps that make their own smoke

why specifically smoke

16:55

just particles or something

16:55

and use the smoke image

16:55

maybe

17:06

yoo what if we could have rain type particles

a nice addition for visuals would actually be custom lasers

17:18

laser/sg shots

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6731 Increase minimum delay between emotes

louis

a nice addition for visuals would actually be custom lasers

you mean like the actual laser?

18:27

maybe but idk how itd work

the thing we clearly need for ddnet 2 are curved lasers

cyberFighter

the thing we clearly need for ddnet 2 are curved lasers

ye and curved hooks too feelsamazingman

light sabers

Jupstar ✪

light sabers

@fokkonaut

add smoke grenades

flashbang

18:50

add smoke grenades, all possible weapons, go 3d, 5 players per team, bombs, cts and ts rename game

When will we have hooks that bend around terrain?

harpoon

Would it be possible to have your custom laser/sg colours visible to other players?

Hi

Bomf

Would it be possible to have your custom laser/sg colours visible to other players?

It would be a mess, so no, but if you forked ddnet it would be indeed possible to implement

小鹿亂撞

Hi

https://nohello.net/en/

no hello

please don't say just hello in chat

19:05

Learath2

It would be a mess, so no, but if you forked ddnet it would be indeed possible to implement

I think it may be interesting for customisation aspect colour coordinate stuff etc

19:06

++ able to see who is shooting which laser clearer ig

when send literally everything through the server? gameskin, particles, laser colors

Ezez

19:07

Make total user customisation

maybe even custom sounds too

guys i need dd code

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet ?

i say ddnet should break backwards compatibility

If there is a good enough reason for it we could but I doubt such a reason exists

better new features

19:27

and also less barrier for new devs/prs

19:27

i mainly mean compatibility with vanilla

yeah vanilla compat is worth dropping probably

id be up for it, ddnet needs a rework anyways

im not sure if anyone else could agree but i feel like ddnet has had a content drought for a while

19:33

the only new content is really maps

19:34

the super high skill ceiling helps too

I think new customisation options would be great for the game ^^ if we are able to make it so tees can be seen by all then why not game skins etc

louis

the only new content is really maps

i mean i guess the graphical changes also count as content but idk

19:40

@cyberFighter hows the progress on that gamemode

i meant gameplay content

if u know

Ah gameplay content

19:40

New gun when

harpoon

I see

19:41

How will itwork (edited)

i forgot what harpoon does

It is for killing fish I thought

19:42

Manual gravity inverter could be cool

its just like a longer hook i tgink

19:43

i dont rly tnjnk it has tooo much application in ddnet

OH SHIT I REMEMBER YOYO

19:44

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/1010788357346955318

19:44

Interesting idea also

i was thinking diff blocks as content

19:47

there was a wip for ice, slime, some others

Voxel

@cyberFighter hows the progress on that gamemode

what gamemode

19:47

which

and interact-able objects

19:47

would be huge

cyberFighter

what gamemode

the uhhhh clan fight

clanwar is pretty much done i think

louis

and interact-able objects

oh yea TRUE

louis

and interact-able objects

many lands

you know what would be AWESOME? tunes that trigger envelopes

switches

yes

19:48

thats what i mean

19:48

like envelopes can be stopped, started, played from beginning and stuff

19:48

itd only be client sided

19:52

shit you know what would also be cool? logic blocks like if switch 1 is on go to TO3 else TO5

19:52

itd make games like volleyball much more compact

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6734 Use `DoLabel` instead of /TextEx in menus, other minor refactoring of menus

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

bors[bot]

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

16fd340 Use DoLabel instead of Text/TextEx in menus - Robyt3 8d65e0a Minor refactoring of settings menus - Robyt3 2fb4a39 Refactor CMenus::RenderSettings - Robyt3 4d0247a Merge #6734 - bors[bot]

21:03

bors[bot]

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6734 Use `DoLabel` instead of `Text`/`TextEx` in menus, other minor refactoring of menus

xd

Jupstar ✪

@Patiga ever tried the angle backend of wgpu?

no I haven't, I don't have an apple device

Interesting VS "alternative" editor https://10xeditor.com/

10x Editor

10x Code Editor

Nice

23:28

Proprietary tho(?)

So is VS?

So what