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Between 2023-05-16 00:00:00Z and 2023-05-17 00:00:00Z

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6594 Times in Scoreboard ordered incorrectly and Best Time is always shown

PeX — Today at 00:14 Wrong sort after new finishes. Sry if it was posted somewhere Image 1 Skeith — Today at 03:38 shows a completely wrong time when someone just connects as well, weird Image 2 Furthermore, I discovered that the diff for the best time is always shown, regard...

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6595 Connecting to a new server isn't working properly

Joining a new server when already connected to one via the browser puts you in the menu, rather than connecting right away.

Robyt3

@Jupstar ✪ Any idea how #6578 happens?

How can I test this

Mr.Gh0s7

@Jupstar ✪ ig ur sleeping now but on the fng2 repo (0.6 source idk about 0.7) it doesn't want to compile. I added #include <cstdint> in src/game/server/gamecontext.cpp and then it compiled ;)

Make pr

Compiling 0.6 in 2023 you also still use python2 axaxaxa

I know few people who still make mods on 0.6 base

06:00

They are insane film

film

F-DDrace is based on 0.7 chickenrunner

chickenrunner

feelswarmman

fddr is very based indeed

poggers2

Yea like those ddnet guys they are nuts (@Anime.pdf)

I know few people who still make mods on 0.6 base

🥺

Jupstar ✪

How can I test this

There is a restart client command now, so you can restart with that. Restarting doesn't work for me with Windowed and Windowed Fullscreen mode with Vulkan. Maybe it only happens on Windows though.

Robyt3

There is a restart client command now, so you can restart with that. Restarting doesn't work for me with Windowed and Windowed Fullscreen mode with Vulkan. Maybe it only happens on Windows though.

I saw the issue and didn't find the command back then in the client. Is it only available in non steam? Or did I simply check the same day when it was merged ^^

Jupstar ✪

I saw the issue and didn't find the command back then in the client. Is it only available in non steam? Or did I simply check the same day when it was merged ^^

Yeah, I found the bug when I made the PR to add the command, it should be in every version now

Alright will test later on Linux first

08:16

Is the client process actually killed? Or how exactly do we restart

We perform as much cleanup in the running client as possible, then we launch the client again, then the already running client exits

08:17

Really, the shell_execute to start the client should be the last code we run (except on android)

I see, weird weird

08:18

If it's a new process it should work anyway

Maybe something is happening in an automatically invoked destructor after the new process is launched

08:19

Or it's a special bug with Vulkan because it can't create a window or something

In opengl it works?

Yeah

08:19

And also in the other Fullscreen modes

08:20

Only Vulkan and Windowed/Windowed Fullscreen have the bug

Maybe anti virus thinks u want to Bitcoin

It's Windows Defender so it shouldn't be smart enough

windows defender is defending against win

08:31

gotta buy gnome antivirus

gnome pro-virus

KDEdefender

08:33

wait probably kefender right?

08:34

kde naming is kursed

Xd

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!ryo pr pr pr pr

@Ryozuki

!ryo pr

@Ryozuki

im at metro

09:19

today i go to office

09:19

so its mac m1 time

gh mobile

lol

imagine having discord on mobile but not gh

09:20

u got ur prios wrong m8

i write code in samsung notes

09:20

09:20

trollonaut

i use github mobile and text to speech on my bike to write code

09:21

and CI to compile

09:21

jk but would be cool

09:21

reminds me of the one blind dev

09:21

he had some mad text to speech skills

imagine looking for a bug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94swlF55tVc

How A Blind Developer Uses Visual Studio

09:22

he does look for a bug

09:22

in this talk

09:22

its kinda cool

ok google, read out my whole cde

09:22

code

09:23

i code on my nintendo ds lite

4:50

09:23

he debugs broken code live on stage

theres a crate at the end okay get rid o that yay

09:25

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yay

Robyt3

I never run cargo manually though when compiling ddnet. The issue is that both MSVC and GNU+make seem to ignore the rustup override and always use the default

rustup override is about directories, I think. maybe you set it for the wrong directory?

hallo heinrich

Voxel

Should I wait until we get more opinions before I make coords? And would the coords have to be formatted like in content.py?

I think zips of images would be better; otherwise we're gonna run into problems when we add more stuff again

09:38

hi fokko

09:39

Ryozuki fixed my PR

I saw that, I think I gave thumbs up

09:39

:)

09:39

!ryo pro pr fixer

@Ryozuki

pls stop pinging me

~~i didnt~~

ping me for smth useful but not this xd

when ddnet 2 pepefight

pepefight

@Ryozuki

snail

@Ryozuki

notlike02

snail trol

09:53

!add_ping_pong snail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWA89aZ_qtg

09:53

!snail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWA89aZ_qtg

please don't do that, it creates a huge embed

!add_ping_pong snail >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWA89aZ_qtg>

09:54

fka

09:54

!add_ping_pong snail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWA89aZ_qtg

09:54

this good?

yes

pog

best video by sp someone

indeed

09:54

one could also say "best video" period

@snail

justatest

@ZombieToad

09:55

is he banned?

09:56

nevertheless-ra: who u?

ChillerDragon i unbanned you from discord. You can join again

wot

09:57

u send legal letter to china?

09:57

best lawyer eu w

09:58

!jup do you think being my financial advisor and lawyer is a conflict of interest?

@Jupstar ✪

No. Never heard of cumex?

xd

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10:08

https://openprocessing.org/sketch/1575230/

10:08

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35953286

Alifatisk

random(random(random(random())))

If you've never seen it before: I love how LCG random numbers appear to have decent statistical properties, but if you use them to pick points in 3d space it suddenly becomes extremely obvious what's wrong with them

10:12

Embedded image

xd

10:14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator

Linear congruential generator

A linear congruential generator (LCG) is an algorithm that yields a sequence of pseudo-randomized numbers calculated with a discontinuous piecewise linear equation. The method represents one of the oldest and best-known pseudorandom number generator algorithms. The theory behind them is relatively easy to understand, and they are easily implemen...

10:17

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10:17

cool fractal

Nature is the beauty of math

Disaster planning → Every byte of source-code history for SQLite is cryptographically protected and is automatically replicated to multiple geographically separated servers, in datacenters owned by different companies. Thousands of additional clones exist on private servers around the world. The primary developers of SQLite live in different regions of the world. SQLite can survive a continental catastrophe.

10:23

can we survive a continental catastrophe?

10:23

ddnet

10:23

probs yes

10:23

https://sqlite.org/lts.html

if catalonia survive

heinrich5991

rustup override is about directories, I think. maybe you set it for the wrong directory?

I set the override while in the respective build directory. rustup show also shows that the override appears to be active in that folder

maybe the override should be in the base dir?

10:25

not the build dir

10:25

idk

Ryozuki

Disaster planning → Every byte of source-code history for SQLite is cryptographically protected and is automatically replicated to multiple geographically separated servers, in datacenters owned by different companies. Thousands of additional clones exist on private servers around the world. The primary developers of SQLite live in different regions of the world. SQLite can survive a continental catastrophe.

They are such weirdos no joke xd

override in base dir would defeat the purpose of the override though

10:27

I have one build dir for msvc and one for gnu

Ryozuki

can we survive a continental catastrophe?

Continental catastrophe yes, bicontinental catastrophe maybe. If only the americas remain we might be fucked

well ddnet is in the github artic vault

Robyt3

override in base dir would defeat the purpose of the override though

you'd need to figure out the working directory of the build, I guess

10:34

it's likely not the build dir

10:35

maybe that could be fixed

the override should work for every sub-directory according to the documentation

it only depends on the working directory of cargo, I think

10:36

that means that if the build process call cargo from the source directory, only that will appl

10:36

y

I don't know when and how cargo is called in MSVC, but I assume MSVC's working directory is not the build folder

10:36

But I just run make from the command line when building with GNU, so I assume that the override should at least work there

you can look into the makefile to see what the working directory is there

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6596 Basic Asset cropping

From version 16.9 (Including Nightly version) one of the Assets from the client [game.png] has cropping issues. I noticed it, when I was updating my Gameskin Template, with the help of some DDNet Designers, thus the Template Asset Update must have all of the cropping issues fixed. The Gameskin Template is available at Teeskins Database for further validation. First Picture shows cropping issues. To the right of the Hook part, there is an empty 32x32 space no...

WORKING_DIRECTORY

    Execute the command with the given current working directory. If it is a relative path it will be interpreted relative to the build tree directory corresponding to the current source directory.

10:39

sounds like it's the source directory by default

10:39

https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/command/add_custom_command.html

Is this something we can add in CMakeLists for all developers?

Voxel

Should I wait until we get more opinions before I make coords? And would the coords have to be formatted like in content.py?

weapons' particles and even the dash particle should go to particles.png xd

Robyt3

Is this something we can add in CMakeLists for all developers?

yes

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6597 Crash in libantibot in CDragger::LookForPlayersToDrag

``


Core was generated by

./DDRace64-Server_sql -f servers/8348.cfg'. Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. #0 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0x7fa765d5d100 (LWP 1956087))] (gdb) bt #0 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #1 0x000055d4f7d403a1 in CDragger::LookForPlayersToDrag (this=this@entry=0x55d4fb2f2da0) at /home/teeworlds/src/master/src/game/server/entities/dragger.cpp:153 #2 0x000055d4f7d405e5 in CDragger::Tick (this=0x55d4fb2f2d...

think_bot

11:31

dragger, hmm if servers are on latest master, i think something recently changed in the netobjs

11:31

but its client side probs

likely https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6560

Replace EntityEx with new netobjs by trml · Pull Request #6560 · dd...

This is a proposal for replacing EntityEx with new netobjects, like suggested in #5860. Adds a new DDNetPickup that includes switch number a new DDNetProjectile that replaces the old one (which is...

ye

11:31

@trml ^

Oh, I was just looking into the dragger code, can take a look later today. Havent looked at what antibot does yet

Probably not related to the antibot btw

It's so weird knowing the tw/ddnet code for that long and actually reading the new dragger/beam class xd

12:09

i've only read it once, when it was very new

@deen where can I find a core?

12:26

!p 2e08ad21f645387989e05def96f7c5fb40deff4b47c5a26ff594a7

error

thanks chillerbot very cool

lmao

12:28

!!

!p c1d1570e0e6e0d0815540004861554576600646130d914f604be0000000000

error

actually laughed in the office, thanks @Learath2

hm maybe they really aren't tw packets

Learath2

hm maybe they really aren't tw packets

what are you doing?

I'm trying to figure out why this turkish hoster suspended us

Learath2

!p c1d1570e0e6e0d0815540004861554576600646130d914f604be0000000000

He says we were reflecting, but there is no way a ddnet server replies to this garbage

what exactly is that? and what does !p do?

@fokkonaut the wireshark dissector

12:33

chiller bot

ah

12:33

!p ryo sux

invalid hex

i should learn wireshark some day

12:33

i havent rly used it

wireshark is cool

!p f4cc554b51f05404a6a6840508004510004aba744000401184bdb00972ee4fe0888920966b9600366bcf8085011ebd3bfe1ca3000614d03291697563892d3211c6ffff6786f1ffaff42e485ad4d7fa6bbdcb297d71afe206

0.7

is it propietary¿?

<class: 'PacketHeader'>: {'flags': <class: 'PacketFlags7'>, 'ack': 204, 'token': b'KQ\xf0T', 'num_chunks': 85}

12:33

<class: 'CtrlClose'>: {'message_name': 'close', 'message_id': 4, 'reason': ' '}

ahh, cool

12:34

and it only works for 0.7?

Probably, chiller made it

12:34

In this case it didn't matter to me whether it decoded completely correctly, just wanted to know if it was tw

ye

12:36

i miss coding on tw all i do is front/backend

12:36

and in my free time i aint on my pc a lot

ur a normie

I'm not sure what to really say, the reflection ratio was clearly 1:1 or lower how is that a worthwhile reflection attack even?

why sad

12:36

be happy

Ryozuki

be happy

tw is lyfe

lately i am less in my pc on weekends too

i literally know this game since 15 years

12:37

for*

12:38

almost

yes its 0.7 only and work in progress a decode error might happen for valid 0.6 packets and maybe even for some edge case 0.7 packets

ur print only has a depth of 1 tho

u want more spam? xd

chiller do this

12:40

json.dumps(obj, ... sort_keys=True, indent=4)

12:40

idk

oof

12:40

its gonna be fatass

chiller

foko

chila

foxo

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6598 heap-use-after-free in CServer::SendRconLogLine(int, CLogMessage const*)

``` ================================================================= ==6901==ERROR: AddressSanitizer: heap-use-after-free on address 0x7f1c559808c8 at pc 0x00000056e2f7 bp 0x7ffc97845410 sp 0x7ffc97845408 READ of size 4 at 0x7f1c559808c8 thread T0 #0 0x56e2f6 in CServer::SendRconLogLine(int, CLogMessage const) /home/teeworlds/src/master/src/engine/server/server.cpp:1310:21 #1 0x573560 in CServer::SendLogLine(CLogMessage const) /home/teeworlds/src/master/src/engine/server/serve...

zila

foginatilus

ziladreganius

enough xd

ChillerDraGenius

GitHub

Click to see attachment 🖼️

another c++ moment

C++ still beautiful

12:47

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fokkonaut

tw is lyfe

ok chiller

makes perfect sense, just if people dont understand the concept its sadge

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0 + 1 = 4

no its a null pointer initially

12:51

not the value is set to 0

Learath2

@deen where can I find a core?

ah, just spotted the rm core*

I guess I don't get to debug

12:56

Am I insane for thinking it's normal for server to reflect a bit under ddos?

should be normal, depending on what gets sent

Is 1:1.1 max and 1:0.06 avg absurd?

12:57

This dude is talking to me like we are reflecting an insane amount of traffic but we are reflecting like 3kbps under 3mbps

Why dont you just stop ddos?????

12:57

xdd

12:57

3kbps

12:58

!!!

https://ddnet.org/stats/server/#tur.ddnet.org like look at these, wtf am I supposed to do, the out traffic is one tenth the input

xD

12:58

insane reflection

Is it not allowed to host services that reply to requests without a handshake now?

so will 16.7 release when the current notable bugs are fixed

btw @Voxel poggers with ur team kill pr

13:02

c:

^^

I'v always so lazy for frontend or in tw, clientside, if it is something graphical and positioning shit xd

tw frontend omg foko went full webdev

Learath2

Is it not allowed to host services that reply to requests without a handshake now?

let me tell you about TCP SYN

question: which part of ddnet code do you think is the most stale rn?

all

13:42

non rust code

13:43

but by definition, most physics code

13:43

cuz it cant be touched

Ryozuki

non rust code

kinda contradictory

we cant rly optimize the gameworld either

13:43

paralelizing it would change the order of stuff

13:44

which probs bugs uses

Voxel

question: which part of ddnet code do you think is the most stale rn?

old ≠ bad, in case that's the reason for the question

whats the unicode for that symbol

you can use python to find out:

i could also use google

13:47

but i actually wanted to know whether you use alt+numpad for those

13:47

and if you have these in your mind

I use compose + / + =

13:48

to create that symbol

heinrich5991

old ≠ bad, in case that's the reason for the question

i was mostly talking about something that DOES need a rehaul

heinrich5991

I use compose + / + =

wym

on linux, you can bind some key to "compose"

ahhh

I use the mostly useless caps lock key for that

Yea thats cool

u keep holding compose? and press all these letters in a row?

13:49

~}~}~}

13:49

yea idk man

13:50

@Voxel the whole 0.6 thing should be removed if you want to get active

no, you first press compose, then you press /, then you press =

xd

the earlier keys can be released

idk what my compose is F

13:50

i thought its alt gr because i use that for @

[3:48 PM]heinrich5991: on linux, you can bind some key to "compose"

13:51

no, you have to configure it

im sure the deb installer asked me for it

13:53

yo @heinrich5991 can u bridge #off-topic to irc?

xxxxd

it's not even bridged to matrix yet, is it?

i daut it

to resize a hashmap u need to rehash everything right

13:58

@heinrich5991 @Learath2 im curious, u guys ever implemented a hashmap

13:58

i never did before, but it seems quite simple

Ryozuki

to resize a hashmap u need to rehash everything right

correct

Ryozuki

@heinrich5991 @Learath2 im curious, u guys ever implemented a hashmap

I don't remember implementing one

*correct

13:59

there is a way to do partial rehashing iirc

13:59

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13:59

screensot to preserve math

@heinrich5991 no it is not bridged to matrix yet. But irc really needs a channel to goof around a bit. This irc channel is basically all social media i have so i shitpost way to much for a developer channel

14:00

too*

antisocial media

i need a channel where i can ping jopsti and ask him for legal advice

14:02

sometimes when i am bored i hop on irc and talk out of my ass i feel like it sometimes spams away some useful dev related things

14:06

can someone send brain and explain ddneto codeinger

14:06

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/client/client.cpp#L922

14:06

if(m_aNetClient[CONN_MAIN].State() != NET_CONNSTATE_ONLINE && m_aNetClient[CONN_MAIN].State() != NET_CONNSTATE_PENDING)

14:06

is calling .State() on da netclient and comparing it against NETCONNSTATE..

14:06

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/shared/network_client.cpp#L147

easy?

CONNSTATE is something different than STATE

but CNetClient::State() does return return NETSTATE_ONLINE;

if ur main is not online return

CONNSTATE is used within network_conn

NETSTATE_

it just maps them

14:07

to the other enum (edited)

it maps connstate to netstate right

14:07

but it compares to the enum it is mapped away from in my head

yea this should be cleaned up

14:08

its probably about the same tho

::State() maps NET_CONNSTATE.. to NETSTATE_.. and then State() is called and compared to NET_CONNSTATE_..

14:08

no they are not the same

then check which values are the "real" values

14:09

so map the connstates back to netstae

14:09

from where u compare it to State()

oh nvm i think they are same

xd

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/shared/network.h#L46

14:09

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/shared/network.h#L67

14:10

i swear my vscode bugged at me

14:10

it showed diff value hints

14:10

i blame electron

this is false then tho

A IT BAK

14:11

my vs mf says NET_CONNSTATE_ONLINE = 4 and NETSTATE_ONLINE = 2

xd

Embedded image

14:15

that took longer to make than i would like to admit

did you try restarting your computer

xd

tf is happening to all the people reporting bugs with the scoreboard=

14:16

xD

the scoreboard sorting is broken, I guess

not only that

but why now

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/757720336274948198/1107988430291468388

wait no they do differ my vs is right

ChillerDragon

wait no they do differ my vs is right

they do differ, but its off by 1 for you anyways

ChillerDragon

@Voxel the whole 0.6 thing should be removed if you want to get active

i COULD but idk how to do backend

ChillerDragon

wait no they do differ my vs is right

NET_CONNSTATE_ONLINE = 3,

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/shared/network.h#L48

14:18

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/shared/network.h#L70

14:18

its 4 in my branch because i messed with it

14:18

but in master its 3 vs 2

confusor dregon

yeye fakof

14:18

but its broken isnt it?

somethings wrong, i can feel it

14:18

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tas0O586t80 I understand now everything I need to know about C

it used to work because pending overlaps w online or sms

14:27

i make pr and let merges fix my bug

14:27

ez

so wait whats happening now are we adding MORE or LESS 0.6 support

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6599 Pretty sure ``PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE`` is too high

PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE is set to 2048 and NET_MAX_PACKETSIZE to 1400 All packets bigger than NET_MAX_PACKETSIZE will be dropped and can not be sent. So why bother having a buffer that is 2048? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/shared/packer.h#L11 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/22df50c9bda271fbef4e2c7c28793384d48e0a80/src/engine/shared/network.h#L58

ChillerDragon wants to remove 0.6 support

14:32

we don't have consensus on that though

i am a rare 0.7 activist

14:34

sometimes i glu my self against ddnet headquater

14:34

as a form of peaceful protest

i want to remove 0.6 and 0.7 support

Ryozuki

@heinrich5991 @Learath2 im curious, u guys ever implemented a hashmap

A couple times. I mostly go for closed addressing ones but when I was learning I also implemented open addressing ones

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6600 Compare against correct enum in dummy connect

Why did we allow connecting dummy in state pending? Maybe because state online did not match because the wrong enum was used?

C++
int CNetClient::State()
{
	if(m_Connection.State() == NET_CONNSTATE_ONLINE)
		return NETSTATE_ONLINE;
	if(m_Connection.State() == NET_CONNSTATE_OFFLINE)
		return NETSTATE_OFFLINE;
	return NETSTATE_CONNECTING;
}

We map from NETCONNSTATE to NETSTATE so it should also be compared against NETSTATE

Checklist

[x] Tested the chang...

confused dragon

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6601 try to fix broken score

not sure if this is the fix, but -9999 is wrong, and -1 is set on reset

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBS...

poggers2

@heinrich5991 xd ubuntu decided to not work

14:48

all ci failed

gh actions* decided to not work

ye

Learath2

A couple times. I mostly go for closed addressing ones but when I was learning I also implemented open addressing ones

ah ur a linked lists fan

14:49

typical c dev

no language stereotypes please

its banter

14:51

xd

14:51

@heinrich5991 but its true C devs like a lot linked lists, whereas rust devs hate them for obvious reasons

I told you "no banter"

god..

14:51

ok no jokes zone im sorry

14:51

i forgot we must be robots

I will time you out the next time. no jokes is not correct. jokes without disparaging others are fine

we rly have different ways of thoughts

14:53

at no point i thought i was offensive, and i know learath in this context

14:53

i know i will do this again unconsioucly and u will time me out

14:53

its inevitable

it's fine if you write this in DMs

14:53

(as long as Learath2 doesn't complain about you)

why so strict?

but this is a public room, people other than you and Learath2 read this

but i am talking to learath

and I think this sets a bad tone for the room

i disagree

14:54

you set a bad tone

14:54

where me must be formal robots

we obviously don't need to be formal

14:55

(or robots, for that matter)

u know what i mean

14:55

dont take everything at face value

hmmm. idk, to me the robots thing looks like a straw man, and I get annoyed every time you mention it

i also get annoyed everytide u do this

14:56

everytime

14:56

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

me: posting snail 9/11 meme

14:56

heinrich: pls fix embed

14:56

ryo: typical c dev

14:57

heinrich: stop insult c or ban

no bias

@Ryozuki I sadly noticed, that other communities than DDNet are even less tolerating "our behaviour". It's a trend, but since Teeworlds and it's community is stuck in 2007 anyways, its a little bit better over here. Just heinrich really wants to go with that trend of having 100% clean communities with not even slight jokes that may go 10% "over the top"

Ryozuki

i want to remove 0.6 and 0.7 support

pls allow 0.7 to die

*stop insult c devs or ban

fokkonaut

@Ryozuki I sadly noticed, that other communities than DDNet are even less tolerating "our behaviour". It's a trend, but since Teeworlds and it's community is stuck in 2007 anyways, its a little bit better over here. Just heinrich really wants to go with that trend of having 100% clean communities with not even slight jokes that may go 10% "over the top"

i am on other servers and this banter is perfectly normal

14:58

completly unrelated to ddnet

14:58

or tw

14:58

i specially consider this banter normal given our time we spent here

14:58

and how much we chatted in the past

14:58

but it seems like we must treat each other here like we met yesterday

ye

14:58

me too

you're welcome to treat each other differently in DMs

14:59

but not in a room with a lot of other people

dms are useless

can we do that in off-topic?

dont redirect stuff to dms

there are exactly the same amount of people

fokkonaut

can we do that in off-topic?

no

i disagree with this rule

not on this discord

i want to vote on this

14:59

i want other mods involved

what even happened if i may ask

15:00

this time

Ryozuki

typical c dev

^

Ryozuki

ah ur a linked lists fan

i said this

15:00

judge for urself

index sized 'lol' (edited)

@Learath2 please say smth

15:01

i dont want to live in heinrich dictatorship

15:01

i know i will make banter again

15:01

its how i am

@heinrich5991 i think that really is very harsh

15:01

non-programmers wouldnt understand and programmers would laugh

15:01

smile*

fokkonaut

@heinrich5991 i think that really is very harsh

it's not the first time and it will not be the last time

so is it also disallowed that noby says fng > gores or that others say fng sux

15:02

?

correct

bruv

15:02

bruh

@fokkonaut dont mention that

15:02

he will say no to anything

asks if he can say yes

dont say that

15:03

u may get timeouted

15:03

and me saying you may get timeouted is probs timeout worthy

15:03

we live in a society

15:03

sarcasm is close to banter after all

hm.

it rly grinds my gears tho

i feel you

i just ask

but anyways, i think we cant change it for now

that i get moderated by anyone but heinrich

fokkonaut

asks if he can say yes

yes

15:05

yea there is a little bit of dictatorship going on here, also when i asked a lot of people if they actually like the freeze bar or want the stars back. so many wanted the stars back, and not only after 5 days, no also after weeks. And when I finally annoyed learath long enough, he said he will work on something similar, which takes the old behaviour and can be made into stars again by modifiying the png. What did we get after months of people complaining it's never been the same without the stars? nothing :(

heinrich5991

trol

fokkonaut

trol

dont be rude

dont make me laugh in the office, it's time now, been here for 9.5 hours

15:08

i will go now

same

15:08

my day is shit

15:08

cuz this

15:08

mood totally ruined

smoke a blunt

15:08

or just drink a beer

15:08

anyways i will drive home now, see ya

i dont do that now only on weekends

true, better that

in fact this somehow makes me wanna not be so motivated to make more prs

15:13

ill just let robyt take over ddnet

15:13

(this is not banter)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Streisand effect

The Streisand effect is an unintended consequence of attempts to hide, remove, or censor information, where it instead leads to increased awareness of that information. It is named after American singer and actress Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress the California Coastal Records Project's photograph of her cliff-top residence in Malibu...

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6594 two more issues with the score PR btw

Times in Scoreboard ordered incorrectly and Best Time is always sho...

PeX — Today at 00:14 Wrong sort after new finishes. Sry if it was posted somewhere Image 1 Skeith — Today at 03:38 shows a completely wrong time when someone just connects as well, weird Image 2 Fu...

15:26

second one already fixed (edited)

what a good day to not be in the mood to do prs

15:28

and for github ci to fail catastrophicaly

@Ryozuki maybe it motivates you that hashmaps have overhead and are only worth it after a certain amount of items

the hashmap needs to be done

do u know whats funny?

15:33

i often combine a double linked list with a hashmap

15:34

nice way to have smth like a queue and still have the speed of a hashmap

15:34

nice if u want to remove items from the "queue" without much overhead

i have the perfect gif @Jupstar ✪

15:41

15:41

thats my answer

ngl i just want ddnet coding to be fun

then use rust

its why i do graphical stuff

Jupstar ✪

then use rust

rust is not fun tho

15:42

i tried it

what do u dislike about it btw?

15:43

too hard?

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6599 Pretty sure ``PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE`` is too high

Voxel

ngl i just want ddnet coding to be fun

coding is fun, but it can be really annoying, like discord chats

i'd say not everything is perfect, but if u redesign what you want to code it can be powerful tool

to me 1 thing that makes me hooked is those moments u enter the zen zone

15:44

u lose awareness of time and have super efficiency xd

15:44

and then someone distracts u

15:44

and its over

cool i never had that

rly?

i dunno, couldnt tell

15:45

the best moments for me is, when i think about smth and it just works out as i planned even tho i didn't 100% believe it myself xd

15:46

and saving 2 milliseonds somewhere for more performance

15:46

bcs performance is everything

yeah

afk

Jupstar ✪

bcs performance is everything

which is why i think software should be distributed with x86-v2 and -v3

15:47

so users can pick

15:47

not just v1

-v3 is enough

15:47

drop support

15:47

xd

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heinrich5991

no language stereotypes please

I will have to disagree with this one, honestly you'll have to accept that some jokes are about a group of people, it's part of normal human communication. I feel this level of moderation will turn this place into just a boring old academic exchange/company slack

poggers2

2

my child deserves to live in a world where only 4090+ exist

Jupstar ✪

my child deserves to live in a world where only 4090+ exist

when do u think we will no longer ship v1 software

If the jokes aren't grossly offensive (streotyping usually isn't) or hateful about a minority (X language developers aren't an oppressed minority), I would conclude that they are acceptable

Ryozuki

when do u think we will no longer ship v1 software

i dunno, i guess around 15-20 years?

oof

lifespan

15:50

not in 15-20years sry xd

15:50

was unclear

iwas about to make a c joke

15:50

my bad

Learath2

If the jokes aren't grossly offensive (streotyping usually isn't) or hateful about a minority (X language developers aren't an oppressed minority), I would conclude that they are acceptable

I think e.g. "web devs bad" is a bad meme to perpetuate

15:50

this seems to fall under the same umbrella to me

there are 2 kinds of webdevs, those who use js and those who use wasm

justatest

2

Ryozuki

coding is fun, but it can be really annoying, like discord chats

justatest

Learath2

I will have to disagree with this one, honestly you'll have to accept that some jokes are about a group of people, it's part of normal human communication. I feel this level of moderation will turn this place into just a boring old academic exchange/company slack

(This is obviously just my subjective opinion on what makes a community enjoyable in the long-term from my own experiences)

heinrich5991

I think e.g. "web devs bad" is a bad meme to perpetuate

I don't, why is that "bad" to perpetuate? Is it a misconception that causes them harm?

yes, I think so

web devs are among the top earner devs

15:53

more so than cpp devs

you think so, then in how far does it harm?

by casually treating them as inferior

I can only see it hurting their egos, but in turn they are also allowed to say "look at this C luser commenting on js, come back when you have garbage collection"

i am also a web dev

15:54

a rust dev

15:54

a c dev

15:54

and a ex python dev

Please delete and ban everyone who is using "gay" in a wrong meaning too, please. It's definitely more descrimination than "web devs bad"

i think it causes more harm to force a community to hold themselves and not being able to joke around rather than allowing a few banter that are not really hurting anyones feelings (past the 10 seconds reading the poke)

snail

i think it causes more harm to force a community to hold themselves and not being able to joke around rather than allowing a few banter that are not really hurting anyones feelings (past the 10 seconds reading the poke)

joking around on the expense of others

15:55

can you include that in the post? ^^

15:55

I'm not against jokes

If you want to enforce everything then please do so with everything and dont leave out a single little bit, heinrich

heinrich5991

joking around on the expense of others

this is not at the expense of others

15:56

i think only u treat it that way

i mean this is not kindergarten

Appearently it is

it wasnt very rude or anything

welcome

i am laughing with him, because i know how he will react to this

its just a poke

note that I wasn't claiming that it hurt Learath2

heinrich5991

yes, I think so

U did

heinrich5991

by casually treating them as inferior

It's supposed to be a joke, the point of jokes is that they don't imply anything. I don't think web developers are bad because it's a meme, we are capable of extrapolating from reality

4

And you didnt elaborate

fokkonaut

U did

what I wanted to say there is not that the intended recipient is getting hurt, but others from the mentioned group

15:58

i.e. I did not want to say that Learath2 was hurt by this statement

15:58

as Learath2 incorporated in his statements, but not fokkonaut or snail e.g.

Do you think web devs will read that and cry alone in front of their computer?

do you think you'll cry if I ban you? what kind of standard is this?

I, for example, dont feel offended by "web devs bad" and its my daily business

I'm fairly sure you can drop that meme in irc.libera.chat/#c and no one would really bat an eye. I don't have any bigger community of C developers you can test it on

Just because YOU do

heinrich5991

do you think you'll cry if I ban you? what kind of standard is this?

Toxic.

fokkonaut

Toxic.

only as toxic as you were

15:59

I just directed the same thing to you

no offense, this reminds me of the white girls meme on twitter complaining in name of the affected group

Sorry, I dont speak wrong

Learath2

I'm fairly sure you can drop that meme in irc.libera.chat/#c and no one would really bat an eye. I don't have any bigger community of C developers you can test it on

which meme?

heinrich5991

which meme?

That we overuse linked lists

heinrich5991

I just directed the same thing to you

Not at all, I think you didnt read my message

in fact, it would probably spark a interesting debate, if no one complained about in the name of others groups

You'll get a couple laughs, a couple people telling you why that's the case and maybe one person telling you to get out if you don't have a question

fokkonaut

I, for example, dont feel offended by "web devs bad" and its my daily business

^

Do you think web devs will read that and cry alone in front of their computer?

16:01

I want a higher standard than people not crying

See my replied msg

you are a web dev, you didn't cry

why do you want to convert this chat to a business setting?

then whats your standard if you cant even say in how far it will harm someone?

Jupstar ✪

too hard?

i grew up on a website where you connects blocks together to make a cat spin and say hello; i have no idea how to approach something as abstract as rust

my standard is that I don't want to be casually insulted "as a meme" (as part of a group) (edited)

with all my respect heinrich, i believe the only one crying about these "pokes" is you

in fact, even at my work slack we joke around about java and java devs (and we got some java devs)

Ryozuki

in fact, even at my work slack we joke around about java and java devs (and we got some java devs)

same

besides, rust is the perfect language to rq imagine you're trying to make something and you have to spend an hour or more trying to obey the compiler only to realize you coded it all wrong

heinrich5991

my standard is that I don't want to be casually insulted "as a meme" (as part of a group) (edited)

If I made a joke about Rust devs being scared of memory management, do you think that'd be an insult really?

16:03

If so we really have very very different measures of what constitutes an insult to begin with

Learath2

If I made a joke about Rust devs being scared of memory management, do you think that'd be an insult really?

hm, no

16:03

interesting

its cuz u have a bias

16:04

if its rust, since its mostly me who talks about it here

16:04

im sure u wouldnt bat an eye

16:04

if someone made a joke about me/rust

16:04

and i will say, go ahead, and joke about it, and about me

16:04

i find it fun

16:05

even funnier is the debate that comes out of it

Anyway, it's not very easy to come to a conclusion about things of this nature. I know very well jokes can quickly devolve into mean-spirited insulting, but I don't think that bar has been reached here

2

Ryozuki

to me 1 thing that makes me hooked is those moments u enter the zen zone

i often get those when writing those JS extensions

I see your point, it seems the C example was not so bad

Ryozuki

and then someone distracts u

this is why i only code at like 12 am LOL

Voxel

this is why i only code at like 12 am LOL

i used to code rly late

16:05

but i cant now

16:05

i go to sleep at 23

16:06

i guess coding all day does that

16:06

well today i havent been much productive

@heinrich5991 different approach, what is the highest bar of joke or whatever, which you would consider "fun" and "non-harmful", and what is the lowest bar for "harmful" or "unfunny" jokes?

u cant put a bar on subjective things

Right.

but in this case the bar is whathever heinrich considers

16:07

cuz he is the man in power

I wanted to hear that from him @Ryozuki

he probs wont say that

Because I kinda know how heinrich thinks, its similar to my brother, who you can not convince at all either (only with very very much time and good/proven examples)

heinrich5991

I see your point, it seems the C example was not so bad

The web dev example you gave is maybe a little closer to your point. One could argue that these stereotypes cause a bad perception of the group, but even then, I'm not sure what material harm is caused by that. It's not like the accusation of being a bad developer is something that sticks to you

lol fokkonaut how did u made the bridge do /me on irc xd

wdym?

fokkonaut

@heinrich5991 different approach, what is the highest bar of joke or whatever, which you would consider "fun" and "non-harmful", and what is the lowest bar for "harmful" or "unfunny" jokes?

well, the easiest way to make jokes that are non-harmful is by not making it about other people ^^

I dont think the mentioned jokes were about other people specific

Voxel

i grew up on a website where you connects blocks together to make a cat spin and say hello; i have no idea how to approach something as abstract as rust

very simple, tryhard 15h per day for 2 months ez as that

c devs

Jupstar ✪

very simple, tryhard 15h per day for 2 months ez as that

i have a job

that's a group of people to me

Voxel

i have a job

then rip to your holidays

(I have about 3 minutes left)

Jupstar ✪

then rip to your holidays

i barely celebrate holidays anyways + i work in retail

A very large group which if you'd let them vote, you'd probably know the result already :)

laughing and making fun of stereotypes is the most common thing to joke about usually

Jupstar ✪

very simple, tryhard 15h per day for 2 months ez as that

15h a day?? to learn rust?

yeah i do it all the time to rust devs

Learath2

15h a day?? to learn rust?

if u start at 0, u need that

Jupstar ✪

if u start at 0, u need that

well u can take it slower

16:11

xd

fokkonaut

A very large group which if you'd let them vote, you'd probably know the result already :)

majority votes are not the way I'd go about finding out whether something causes offense (edited)

3h a day and you'll be pretty decent in a month, especially if you have prior experience in other languages

heinrich5991

majority votes are not the way I'd go about finding out whether something causes offense (edited)

right, you'd like to be a dictator and decide alone.

that's precisely what I'd say…

16:12

can you read minds?

yeah

16:12

im a rust dev

So, what about you let those who are involved decide, and come to you if they felt offended?

fokkonaut

So, what about you let those who are involved decide, and come to you if they felt offended?

sounds like a bad strategy

15h/d * 30d/mo * 2mo= 900h, you'll become an expert in that time, not just a proficient user

fokkonaut

So, what about you let those who are involved decide, and come to you if they felt offended?

this is the way in most places

Yep xd

Learath2

3h a day and you'll be pretty decent in a month, especially if you have prior experience in other languages

thats the thing, i dont find interest in coding things as "practice". whats the fun in making a guessing game? its why i wanted to jump head first into ddnet because there was so much to tinker with

heinrich5991

sounds like a bad strategy

@Ryozuki thats already kinda pathetic at this point.

no, in most places, we have societal standards that get you kicked out even before someone tells you that they've been offended

heinrich comes out and creates a issue out of nowhere, then this happens

idek whats going on. sorry am i interrupting something?

heinrich5991

no, in most places, we have societal standards that get you kicked out even before someone tells you that they've been offended

I tried to lead you that way by asking for the bars, which cant be set here entirely.

Voxel

idek whats going on. sorry am i interrupting something?

i made a joke about c devs, replying to learath

16:13

and heinrich said thats bad bad

fokkonaut

@Ryozuki thats already kinda pathetic at this point.

I don't like your tone

oh

anyway, I'm off

heinrich5991

I don't like your tone

Sorry if it sounded too harsh

wow u guys write so much i can not keep up @fokkonaut i mean this xd https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1684253618.png

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Learath2

15h/d * 30d/mo * 2mo= 900h, you'll become an expert in that time, not just a proficient user

bra, 15h or u stay noob

16:14

under 1000h is nothing

chillerdragon: i edited the msg

Voxel

thats the thing, i dont find interest in coding things as "practice". whats the fun in making a guessing game? its why i wanted to jump head first into ddnet because there was so much to tinker with

In my experience, learning is usually either fun or efficient. It very rarely is both, but there are some great exercises that hit that spot

a good strategy in these types of convos is to go away, and it cools off, so later u can come strong and still pretend u have the reason

do again @fokkonaut

yes (edited)

.-.

done

wot

16:14

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16:15

no * | bridge

hm xd

Learath2

In my experience, learning is usually either fun or efficient. It very rarely is both, but there are some great exercises that hit that spot

thing is i WANT to try rust because i feel like you can do a lot more in it than c++ or java can do

Voxel

thing is i WANT to try rust because i feel like you can do a lot more in it than c++ or java can do

u cant do more with it than other langs

16:16

thats not the point

fokkonaut

@Ryozuki thats already kinda pathetic at this point.

You did this one with me a couple months ago too and it is a little mean-spirited. Kinda feels like bullying when you tag other people and talk about me when I'm still here

Anyways @heinrich5991, I probably dont know each english word perfectly, so it might have sounded too harsh when i said "pathetic". I just cant express myself as good in english as I can in German. Please dont discriminate me accordingly. And all I want is you to realise, that your way of solving the problems is definitely not one, that is enjoyable for the community

if a lang is turing complete u can do anything

Learath2

You did this one with me a couple months ago too and it is a little mean-spirited. Kinda feels like bullying when you tag other people and talk about me when I'm still here

I just wanted ryo to see the msg i am referring to

heinrich bullying foko for being english nob axaxax

Voxel

thing is i WANT to try rust because i feel like you can do a lot more in it than c++ or java can do

They are all turing complete, so you can do everything in all of the above. So you shouldn't bother learning Rust if that is your reason

rust is fast and safe

more like heinrich wanting to impose his standards to a whole ass community, part of the most active community members telling him otherwise, and him not minding it

I guess the extremely rich std lib and the cargo ecosystem does make it easier to make more things

Learath2

They are all turing complete, so you can do everything in all of the above. So you shouldn't bother learning Rust if that is your reason

I guess.

fokkonaut

Anyways @heinrich5991, I probably dont know each english word perfectly, so it might have sounded too harsh when i said "pathetic". I just cant express myself as good in english as I can in German. Please dont discriminate me accordingly. And all I want is you to realise, that your way of solving the problems is definitely not one, that is enjoyable for the community

(its only enjoyable for yourself @heinrich5991) @Learath2 see, how I am referring again, its not meant in that way

ChillerDragon

rust is fast and safe

I feel like rust is built for servers and stuff then

its a systems programming language they say

Voxel

I feel like rust is built for servers and stuff then

It's built for everyone and everything except web frontends

Learath2

It's built for everyone and everything except web frontends

u can do web frontend

but its more tedious

I guess it's also not safe enough to replace Erlang

https://yew.rs/

A framework for creating reliable and efficient web applications.

Ryozuki

u can do web frontend

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should

xd

in general you trade development time with runtime speed and safety

What would server code in ddnet look like in rust

ChillerDragon

in general you trade development time with runtime speed and safety

and future memory safety bug solving time

Voxel

What would server code in ddnet look like in rust

imho better and more structured, but also would cpp if we rewrote ddnet enirely

@Voxel if you want safe and fast software then use rust. If you want fast development and fun dev time use scratch

Voxel

What would server code in ddnet look like in rust

Similar, perhaps more tidy because we have to think about the ownership structure

@Ryozuki I find it a little sad, everytine someone runs out of arguments, its a few mins left until they leave.

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fokkonaut

@Ryozuki I find it a little sad, everytine someone runs out of arguments, its a few mins left until they leave.

its a rly good strategy in online convos, just dont speak, specially efficient if u hold the power

And again the problem is not solved and wont be discussed at that same point again in the future

and i will probs be timeouted by him

16:21

and i wil have no way to argue

16:21

defending myself

Yup

he straight up timeouts me these days

16:21

without warnings

edgy-l

Ryozuki

imho better and more structured, but also would cpp if we rewrote ddnet enirely

I have been recently thinking about some rust rewrite and it's actually not as easy as I thought, can you really avoid all the Rcs and Arcs everywhere when some things like CCharacter have shared ownership?

gotta ask @zwelf how he delt with it in his phsiscs rust code

Learath2

I have been recently thinking about some rust rewrite and it's actually not as easy as I thought, can you really avoid all the Rcs and Arcs everywhere when some things like CCharacter have shared ownership?

i will say, using rc and interior mutability is not that bad if u have no other options

Learath2

I have been recently thinking about some rust rewrite and it's actually not as easy as I thought, can you really avoid all the Rcs and Arcs everywhere when some things like CCharacter have shared ownership?

yes, by cheating

Same for me, just happened today, when I pinged Learath in General to reply to someone who wanted to know what happened to Turkey servers. I felt a little uncomfortable and deleted the ping again like a few seconds later without thinking about it. 20 sec later -> timeout

if u want to model shared ownership u use rc and refcell

@Learath2 u can easily cheat on the borrow checker.. simply use an index

ChillerDragon

@Voxel if you want safe and fast software then use rust. If you want fast development and fun dev time use scratch

i DO use scratch !!!!!!!!!!!

@Learath2 https://gitlab.com/ddnet-rs/twgame

ddnet-rs / TwGame · GitLab

GitLab.com

Ryozuki

i will say, using rc and interior mutability is not that bad if u have no other options

It's not THAT bad but it's still kinda wasting performance, since it can be proven by the code-path that the actions are safe even without the presence of an Rc

fokkonaut

Same for me, just happened today, when I pinged Learath in General to reply to someone who wanted to know what happened to Turkey servers. I felt a little uncomfortable and deleted the ping again like a few seconds later without thinking about it. 20 sec later -> timeout

@Ryozuki (referring to immediate timeouts u talked about)

what shared ownership do we even have

Learath2

It's not THAT bad but it's still kinda wasting performance, since it can be proven by the code-path that the actions are safe even without the presence of an Rc

unsafe then

16:23

or model the program in a way to avoid that design

@Voxel xd

its often bad to enforce a style that doesnt feel natural on a language

yeah, u need to pass the characters down from parent

16:24

think functional xdd

i def got my parents character

Jupstar ✪

what shared ownership do we even have

CEntity is one example, who really owns entities? Does CGameWorld own all of them? Does the character own the projectiles they send? Does the player own the CCharacter? It can technically be avoided by letting CGameWorld own all of it and going through it whenever you need to access other things, but there is no guarantee that gets optimized nicely at all

ChillerDragon

@Voxel xd

no chiller, unironically ive been using scratch since 2014

rust would benefit here if we paralelized ddnet more

Learath2

CEntity is one example, who really owns entities? Does CGameWorld own all of them? Does the character own the projectiles they send? Does the player own the CCharacter? It can technically be avoided by letting CGameWorld own all of it and going through it whenever you need to access other things, but there is no guarantee that gets optimized nicely at all

yep, but the way would be to only let world own it

@Voxel i never doubted you eventho it is a bit unexpected

but we wouldnt have these segfaults or asan

the rest has to query it

Ryozuki

but we wouldnt have these segfaults or asan

any bugs suck tho, they are just not hidden

Jupstar ✪

yep, but the way would be to only let world own it

But then you need to dig through a list of all entities to find the one you need or the gameworld needs to be aware of all kinds of queries that would be done in advance and create data structures to efficiently return them. Which is imho breaking encapsulation, why should the gameworld need to know that the character might require a list of all his alive projectiles and arrange storage that way?

16:27

Anyway, I need to shut the fuck up and turn off discord. I really have to study control theory

16:27

Cya'll

bye

bb

Mr.Gh0s7

bb

BlushCute

1

1

The abuse of matlab in this course will drive me mental, if only she would let us use the symbolic math toolbox all these would be so trivial, but she insists on abusing tf in the control systems toolbox

wb

How could you think the way to calculate Q above by pretending it's a zpk model is cleaner? I swear some academics would rather eat drywall then learn new things

Image attachment

17:21

Anyway, got my tea, I'll go back to suffering

bb

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6602 Revert "Delay disconnecting until after render call"

This reverts commit 5c90fd2b8324bdbe89331bf1c819bca4b16f391a. Delaying the disconnecting causes issues when the client automatically disconnects immediately before connecting to another server or starting demo playback. It's not necessary to delay the disconnecting to deal with #6387, as #6589 is already enough. It's easier to revert this instead of rewriting the client so connecting and starting demo playback are also delayed. Closes #6595.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6603 Add missing attribute shield entities for front and switch layers

Copy the attribute shield entities from the DDNet image to the front and switch images for the editor. The attribute shield entities can be used in game, front and switch layers, so the respective image also has to contain the entities. Closes #5068.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to ...

18:07

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

c5eb15d Compare against correct enum in dummy connect - ChillerDragon 8c29841 try to fix broken score - edg-l 065149e Merge #6600 #6601 - bors[bot]

18:07

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6600 Compare against correct enum in dummy connect

18:07

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6601 try to fix broken score

@Robyt3 on linux it works

18:08

will later test on win

ok, weird

Learath2

I will have to disagree with this one, honestly you'll have to accept that some jokes are about a group of people, it's part of normal human communication. I feel this level of moderation will turn this place into just a boring old academic exchange/company slack

hey !!! academic can be fun !!!

Chairn

hey !!! academic can be fun !!!

funniest joke made in an academic setting

Image attachment

jokes

18:27

justatest

18:28

santatrollet

santatrollet

well, i'd like to side with most people here on the joke conversation

when i say bad things about java devs, i mean it

18:36

sarcasm is hard to read

don't worry, they're too slow to get it before c++ devs

18:37

we gotta use ironic point maybe ⸮

whats this symbol ⸮

backwards question mark

¿

Chairn

don't worry, they're too slow to get it before c++ devs

but c++ devs will crash due to segfault on the way to get it

18:39

unlike rust devs

¿

blazing fast

yeah rust devs would panic instead

troll

2

?¿

¿⸮?

Ç

rust devs own sports cars

18:40

‽

Ryozuki

Ç

c sharp

gerdoe

yeah rust devs would panic instead

im offended

18:40

im too

gerdoe

yeah rust devs would panic instead

troll (edited)

wait

18:40

this is reddit

18:40

we just need to add /s

18:40

/s

reddit uses tone indicators?

voxel is mean towards reddit users like me

18:41

i demand respekt

since when /s is reddit-only

well i found it on reddit

/s is more of a twitter thing

@Voxel yeah cuz ppl are too sensitive sometimes

18:41

cough

18:41

/s

its internet thing two of you

18:42

both

its ok ryoz ill force myself to generate an ai waifu to comfort you

18:42

anyways tone indicators are useful only in the right scenarios

18:42

i can tell ryoz is joking and im joking too

18:43

like im not dumb

yup

or, that dumb

18:43

im pretty stupid but i can understand contextual tone

nobody said otherwise

18:44

ur focusing too much on it xd

!rust trying to teach rust to programming newbie

@Ryozuki

Ryozuki

ur focusing too much on it xd

sorry

Simple math @Voxel: Voxel + Rust > Rust Voxel + Rust > Voxel

@heinrich5991 while at it i would not mind if you also publish your huffman as ruby gem if you want to try out uniffi-rs since they support ruby bindings

Jupstar ✪

Simple math @Voxel: Voxel + Rust > Rust Voxel + Rust > Voxel

ur

18:45

im shopping right now so i physically can not learn rust atm

doing da grocies while on da phone

18:45

dont text and drive shopping cart

why not

its traffic 101

18:45

no text and drive

will u lose ur shopping cart loicense

yes

18:46

then u gotta carry all by hand

ChillerDragon

doing da grocies while on da phone

im taking a bus

18:46

public transport

libre transport

usa needs more civilian infilstructure

18:48

i spelt that wrong

nono it fine

infastructure

18:48

oh

us need mor cirillic infantilstructuring

ryo beleidigt feelsbadman

feelsbadman

wheres catalun flag

too random to have flag

u

@gerdoe did u start rust because of ryos propaganda?

not exactly

did u think about not touching rust because of ryos propaganda?

i saw heinrichs libtw2 and was inspired by it

heinrich cult leader confirmed

it was like a magic huh

18:53

its still a magic since i haven't returned to libtw2 codelurking

libtw veri pog

18:53

i have libtw2 printed out and tabed on the ceiling over my bed

yep had made a discord bot with auto mapmake that served rusty tee server with generated map

having neightmares daily ever since

ChillerDragon

i have libtw2 printed out and tabed on the ceiling over my bed

santatrollet

how dafak did i type taped "tabed" xd

hm b p

18:55

irc troll

yes i blame irc protocol

18:55

confusing letters

xd

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6358 Don't recreate kill message text containers in message handler

19:00

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

bcc9ab5 Add missing attribute shield entities for front and switch layers - Robyt3 daecca6 Merge #6603 - bors[bot]

19:00

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5068 Attributed shields not shown in Front and Switch layer

19:00

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6603 Add missing attribute shield entities for front and switch layers

@Robyt3 friend of mine with rtx 4090 on windows tried and it worked for him (steam)

19:03

win11

With exactly the settings mentioned in the issue?

He play tw? (@Jupstar ✪)

@Robyt3 friend of mine with rtx 4090 on windows tried and it worked for him (steam)

19:04

4090 pog?

19:05

What gpu u got jopsti?

i have rx 6900 xt

Robyt3

With exactly the settings mentioned in the issue?

windowed & windowed fullscreen right?

yeah and vulkan

or was there smth else

19:05

vulkan yeah

Watf is that

maybe it's something with Windows 10 or my driver

Ah amd xd

it's just the latest GTX 980 driver though

i tried with rx 6900 xt on win10 now works too

19:06

so yeah, probably ur setup

you also have multiple monitors on your windows 10 machine?

Windows jopstibger

19:07

Do you need some tester?

19:08

I feel like booting into windows rods

19:08

Today *

Robyt3

you also have multiple monitors on your windows 10 machine?

nope, neither has my friend

multi monitor i3 issue solved?

19:08

ah

maybe it has something to do with that, I'll try with one of my laptops

chillerdragon

Do you need some tester?

go ahead

19:08

cant hurt to test it on more machines

Robyt3

maybe it has something to do with that, I'll try with one of my laptops

just disconnect your other screens?

Test what? On which os?

19:09

Or you guys fine?

Jupstar ✪

just disconnect your other screens?

justatest

chillerdragon

Test what? On which os?

#6578

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6578

Game window is not shown after restarting game in Windowed and Wind...

After restarting the client from within the client itself (via auto-updater or restart command added in #6577), the game window is entirely missing with Fullscreen mode: Windowed or Windowed Fullsc...

Would it help if I run that on windows or is it not needed?

windows would probably help

19:10

u also have gtx 9xx series right?

980

nice so same card as robits

19:11

ro8bits

3080

wow matrix is soooo slow

I have the same issue on my laptop with only one monitor and GTX 660M + Intel HD 4000

its a roby skil issue

But I just rage bought a 4090 because I got the glitchy on my screen xd

19:16

Omg forgot my windows password

19:16

Im in ez

19:16

Multi Screen or single screen?

wow now my matrix messages from 5min ago arrive on irc?

19:16

truly amazing

19:17

do you guys even all start the client the same way?

19:17

from cmd?

19:17

mysys?

19:18

gui?

Robyt3

I have the same issue on my laptop with only one monitor and GTX 660M + Intel HD 4000

i started from steam

19:18

if that makes a difference

on my PC I started from cmd, on my laptop by double-clicking the exe

oh boi i forgot i left a big mess last time i was in widnows

19:20

installing vs ...

ez

or can i also run some exe?

19:22

this is gonna take forever

nightly

where to buy?

https://ddnet.org/downloads/DDNet-nightly-win64.zip

yeah, I just downloaded nightly

it safe no?

if u trust deen

or bitcoin miner?

19:23

jupsti im still confused wether ur win user now or not xd

19:25

omng u have to be kidding me

19:26

tw is smooth on windows xd

gnome issue

19:26

i am not really a windows user

i just spend my pension fund on a new pc and screen because i thought my hardware broken

before i used linux, i used linux in a vm

u approve finacial advisor jupsti?

bcs nvidia drivers were crashing on linux xD

19:26

yes its fine

19:26

but invest into amd until nvidia goes open source

ffs i just ordered a gtx

19:27

i regret my life choices xd

wtf

19:28

which

19:28

if its not 4090

19:28

u dont have excuse

its fakin 4090

ok then fine

19:28

cant beat the best GPU sadly

also went no amd for cpu xd

well amd is not cheap rn

omg windows sucks with windowed

i was about to buy intel again too, but decided to wait for next gen CPUs

19:29

instead

19:29

yeah

even gnome has better windowing and windows has window in the name ffs

windows + windowed mode = tripple buffering

19:29

vsync tripple buffering

19:29

to be precise

i got windowed

19:30

vulkan

19:30

win10

19:30

gtx 980

f1 -> restart

i click da exe nightly

19:30

i f1 restart

19:30

and it starts to mine bitcoin

19:30

deen scammed me

nah jk it just works fine

lel

its roby skil issue

robyte broken setups in his house

19:30

virus

19:31

windows installer with virus preinstalled

i am behind in updates

19:31

and got 3 screens

19:31

i have the default windows wm

19:31

called windows

dwm.exe

poggers

1

ok pro

19:32

!rob which client u runin? nightly.exe or selfcompiled master?

@Robyt3

dwm using DXGI

windows fans

19:33

HOLY SHIT

19:33

i can not belive the game is smooth on windows

19:33

i hate this xd

100% gnome setup issue bro

xdd

jesus

i used to have gtx 760 on windows

19:34

linux ran at 7k fps

19:34

smooth af

ChillerDragon

windows fans

Window fan https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/strategist/2018/06/12/window-fans/Lasko-Weather-Shield.nocrop.w710.h2147483647.2x.jpg

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chillerdragon: do u even have nvidia driver installed?

19:34

or are u nuveuueuem fan

yes ._.

19:34

i am nuxxeeueueum fan

fans all around

but i understand i have to sell my soul to get gaming fps

nouvouem

so i bought extra/nvidia from shop.archlinux.org

woudlnt have happened with amd

19:35

sad life

imagine a compiler asks for email and password

I tried with nightly and self-compiled

Embedded image

ms moment

Jupstar ✪

Click to see attachment 🖼️

lumpy approves

Also tried with SDL 2.26.5, where the issue still persists, but now the window is just black instead of not being rendered at all

wait, is roby3 pronounced Raw-Bite or Raw-Bite-Three, or something else?

ro-byte

roby t3

dang

19:39

i was saying raw-byte-three all this time

saying to who?

what

who do you talk with when you say robys name?

myself

so in your head?

its l33t speach

a

ChillerDragon

so in your head?

yes

i pronounce roby as robyt3 in my head xxxxxxxxxxxxxD

how do u say ryo

robyt3 seems too formal for l33t speech LOL

Ryozuki

how do u say ryo

Wry-Oh-Zoo-Key

roiii zuchini

19:43

rustup-init.exe

19:43

!:justatest:

Embedded image

xd

19:43

justatest

it command

too big

ik

https://ddnet.org/stats/server/#tur.ddnet.org

19:44

Am I reading these graphs wrong:

yes

This dude claims we were sending out 350 Mbit

19:44

Do you see 350 Mbit there?

Jupstar ✪

i have rx 6900 xt

oh sick I just ordered it, maybe could've interviewed your opinion on gpus first bluekitty

bluekitty

is your experience with it nice?

That'd be like 43 MB/s, that's insane

@Patiga u replied to jupstis amd gpu i assume?

yap

wow one has to install sqlite3 on windows these days to compile ddnet

19:46

hm

Patiga

oh sick I just ordered it, maybe could've interviewed your opinion on gpus first bluekitty

bluekitty

is your experience with it nice?

u could have bought mine xD

xd

19:47

good sign

its good enough for what i need rn, baldurs gate 3 is a bit over 60fps with max settings

19:47

thats already bit of struggle xd

baldurs gate is badly optimized

so you wanna upgrade rn? :p

but it looks fucking beatiful

Patiga

so you wanna upgrade rn? :p

if i know someone to sell my gpu to i do it xd

welp, I suppose I should've messaged you first, but for a different reason than I thought

wow windows deps are really annoying is there some doc on how to get them?

git submodule update --init --recusrive

19:51

dont quote me on that

doesnt git pull do that

if submodules changed and were init before

19:51

then usually yes

i did git pull in the ddnet folder that used to compile back in the days when i used windows xd

19:52

but indeed

19:53

git submodule update fixed it xd

19:53

weird tho

19:55

so its roby being able to do the windowing on multiple devices and nobody can reproduce?

19:55

we all drunk?

19:56

bruder was SDL2.dll kann nich gefunden werden omg why is that so annoying

ok i restarted into updated windows and ran selfcompiled with the nightly dlls and restart in windowed still worked fine

20:13

last time i was on windows i could just run the client wherever the build spit the exe out now i had to move it into the nightly folder for it to find the correct dlls thats a bit weird

Learath2

Do you see 350 Mbit there?

week 14 has some spikes above 100M/s but incoming, not outgoing

Ryozuki

baldurs gate is badly optimized

it has multihair color support it's better than the sims

Image attachment

xd

xd

Image attachment

watf 100gb

yeah

20:16

bro i tell ya

20:16

its early access

im waiting for em to finish

comes out in september

rly?

already best game xD

pog

even tho i only played act1

divinity original sin 2 is GREAT

yes

20:17

but this will be better

among the best games

just the cinematic intro

20:17

is a fucking hollywood movie

20:17

i wonder how expensive it was

xd

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

100gb? bloat

worth every GB

it is

my ssd is happy to be used for it

20:21

it's honored

how so? so that only the latest nvidea graphics card could run it?

i have amd

20:21

and linux

20:21

and its DRM free

20:21

it's anything but bloat

i dont think games should not* be able to be that big (edited)

20:22

in general

?

20:22

aren't you an artist?

20:22

its so big bcs of art

20:22

not bcs the code is so big

exactly its storing like a million useless textures

idk about that

20:23

its a big game

20:23

u gotta support 4k

20:23

and audio

20:23

it has lot of speech

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20:24

u gotta pay 9€ extra for the game

Robyt3

@marmare_314 Do you have time to update https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6546 ?

Just did

is the game going to be like

20:30

$70

worth every penny

justatest

i bought for 59€ bcs EA

20:31

its drm free, u can share same game with a friend

no thanks, i'd rather stick to my free, lightweight and open source game

but i'd suggest to buy it, bcs best game

20:32

and worth money spent

20:32

i hope its actually finished when they release

20:33

else im sad

20:33

i hope they dont do the EA & Ubisoft move

i wonder how much crunch these devs are under

marmare_314

Just did

Can you also remove the padding on the right side? I think it looks better with consistent padding on all sides

Image attachment

Robyt3

Can you also remove the padding on the right side? I think it looks better with consistent padding on all sides

I think it looks fine. Maybe decreased at least.

20:34

Oh right, consistent padding

20:34

I misread

ChillerDragon: you're behind the curve

https://github.com/mozilla/uniffi-rs/issues/1540 https://github.com/mozilla/uniffi-rs/issues/1541

Integer overflows not checked (at least for Python) · Issue #1540 ·...

If I follow the tutorial and end up with a UDL like this: namespace math { u32 add(u32 a, u32 b); }; I can call this function from Python using math.add(2**32, 0) and get no error. Instead, the fir...

Add a bytes type to UDL · Issue #1541 · mozilla/uniffi-rs

Some languages, such as e.g. Python, distinguish between arrays of 8-bit integers (List[int] in Python) and byte buffers (bytes in Python). This would IMO neatly solve #1299. Kotlin: https://kotlin...

Robyt3

Can you also remove the padding on the right side? I think it looks better with consistent padding on all sides

Oh sorry, missed that, I will do it tomorrow

google's musiclm is very interesting

21:50

"Optimistic melody about the arrival of spring, full of joy and hope, tranquil flute in the background, upbeat with a gentle guitar riff"

21:51

21:51

I like stardew's music better

sorry for my opinion but stardew valley music was quite a letdown when i heard it

oh

i've heard people praising it but it really just wasn't all that for me

I just thought about stardew because it has seasonal music:

about the arrival of spring

ah ye

21:55

i guess stardwe does have a certain charm to it

21:55

i think music ais would be rly cool for sampling, but will not be able to create a full length song for a while

yup

21:56

@ really cool (edited)

21:56

the rest I cannot evaluate ^^

chillerdragon: what's your website again for the netcode documentation ? (0.6 DDNet) (edited)

https://chillerdragon.github.io/teeworlds-protocol/06/system_messages.html

ah thanks

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6604 Clean up CServerLogger (fixes #6598)

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

5ecd025 Revert "Delay disconnecting until after render call" - Robyt3 2901c19 Merge #6602 - bors[bot]

23:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6595 Connecting to a new server isn't working properly

23:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6602 Revert "Delay disconnecting until after render call"

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6605 Server crash (Tried connecting while the connection is in use)

Title might be misleading though, I have no idea what causes crash. crash dumps, crash reproducing video attached. It reproduces like 8/10 times. DDNet_assert_log_32596_2023-05-17_00-46-12.txt DDNet-Server_crash_log_32596_2023-05-17_00-46-05.RTP.txt [2023-05-17 00-39-04.mkv.txt](https...

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