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ChillerDragon

postmarket pog

Have you used it? If so do you have any tips? ^^

Used what

postmarketos

Hello from matrix!

Hello back at you (this message is so you know that It was I indeed)

Iza

we would just need to discuss the specifics as a community on it

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411 This is the main accounts discussion issue, I posted a summary of the discussion at the bottom, that I made a month ago. (edited)

Accounts · Issue #3411 · ddnet/ddnet

If anyone wants to summarize the discussion, feel free to. I just wanted to create the issue now.

nice summary ;). From what I can tell most of the ideas correspond to others so the devs are mostly in agreement. The problem is the players (Summary of the summary)

@Learath2

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08:34

do u know what jumbo-build is?

08:34

i wonder why gentoo decided to rebuild firefox

Ryozuki

do u know what jumbo-build is?

I know what is is

08:37

It's when u put all or multiple CPP files in one file . And only compile this file then. It's similar to lto. It also prevents odr

:O

08:38

and what does the %* mean here

08:38

thats a portage thing

If it's a packet, i dunno what it is xd

08:38

I only know it in context of compiling

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08:39

so jumbo build is added

08:40

Enable unified build - combines source files to speed up build process, but requires more memory

08:40

@Jupstar ✪ when ddnet

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ when ddnet

U can already use it

08:42

I fixed compile issues with it

08:42

U can enable it over cmake

08:43

I think it's called unified build there

@Jupstar ✪ lmfao

08:43

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35811741

debdut

Prime Video Abandons Serverless Distributed Stack for Monolith, saves 90%

08:43

y word. I'm sort of gob smacked this article exists.

>

I know there are nuances in the article, but my first impression was it's saying "we went back to basics and stopped using needless expensive AWS stuff that caused us to completely over architect our application and the results were much better". Which is good lesson, and a good story, but there's a kind of irony it's come from an internal Amazon team. As another poster commented, I wouldn't be surprised if it's taken down at some point.

08:43

prime video team at amazon stopped using AWS

08:45

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That's always the hard challenge. Question is. Is the new approach harder to maintain? Is it harder to get stuff working? But 90% if true is insane xD

Ryozuki

y word. I'm sort of gob smacked this article exists.

>

I know there are nuances in the article, but my first impression was it's saying "we went back to basics and stopped using needless expensive AWS stuff that caused us to completely over architect our application and the results were much better". Which is good lesson, and a good story, but there's a kind of irony it's come from an internal Amazon team. As another poster commented, I wouldn't be surprised if it's taken down at some point.

Nooo way, I've been saying this to people all the time and they keep treating me like I'm crazy

Learath2

Nooo way, I've been saying this to people all the time and they keep treating me like I'm crazy

What is that even

08:50

I'm too stupid

over architecting a app using 100 microservices

08:50

kurbernetes

08:50

etc

08:50

kek

But why y word

thats my bad

Oh ok xD

People have this delusion that everything has to be distributed, everything needs to be on the cloud, everything needs to be split into dozens of microservices

it said "my word"

08:51

psst @Avolicious

"bUt AwS iS wEB SCaLe"

Monolith approaches always best cough kernel.

today i had a teeworlds game spin off idea

But yeah as said, it always depends on your goal

but i know it will end up at that

08:52

a idea

08:52

cuz im lazy

Jupstar ✪

Monolith approaches always best cough kernel.

As with most things, the optimum probably lies somewhere between the two approaches

Ryozuki

today i had a teeworlds game spin off idea

I have that once per day

xD

08:53

ill try to start it atleast

08:53

with bevy

Learath2

As with most things, the optimum probably lies somewhere between the two approaches

Agreed

Learath2

As with most things, the optimum probably lies somewhere between the two approaches

yes, but using rust ofc

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Ryozuki

with bevy

brownbear

gl

brownbear

2

my idea is none other than a hotline miami style teeworlds game

08:54

i just can picture it already

08:54

xd

08:54

shouldnt be too hard (said everyone)

08:55

how would a tee look top down

08:56

the ball and the feet xD

Learath2

People have this delusion that everything has to be distributed, everything needs to be on the cloud, everything needs to be split into dozens of microservices

Not everything, but it heavily depends on the use-case.

I have a metric for it. If you are having a chat with me, your project doesn't need the kind of scalability AWS offers

Esp. build the infrastructure behind KoG with scalability in mind. Because of Geo restrictions, governments, laws and so on

Learath2

I have a metric for it. If you are having a chat with me, your project doesn't need the kind of scalability AWS offers

good metric ngl

Learath2

I have a metric for it. If you are having a chat with me, your project doesn't need the kind of scalability AWS offers

AWS, GCP, Azure and all the other hyperscalers are building generic solutions for different use-cases

avolicious is not doing web scale

09:12

he is doing

Being decentralized implies other difficulties to solve, but thats another topic

game scale

09:12

badum tss

Ryozuki

game scale

Actually it would be fun to research this strategy

09:13

Scaling a single gameserver with a shared current game "knowledge" doesnt sound easy for me

@Avolicious ever delved into erlang? or any BEAM lang like elixir or gleam

09:13

they offer true scalability

AWS, GCP, Azure are very expensive hosters that are extremely reliable and offer an api to spin up servers quick. Atleast that's how I think of it

honestly erlang + aws can be rly powerful

09:14

more than erlang, OTP

I don't see much value in them unless your demand is extremely unpredictable to the point that the ability to spin up servers quick becomes a good value proposition

Ryozuki

@Avolicious i found new shiny container stuff in rust for you https://github.com/kuasar-io/kuasar

Btw we are currently testing this in my current company

erlang can emulate a single computer with milliona of cores

09:16

or nodes

09:16

since u can share the vm across computers

Anyway, who cares what I think, am only a rando on the internet that doesn't even use mongodb

Avolicious

Btw we are currently testing this in my current company

nice, rust best

Learath2

Anyway, who cares what I think, am only a rando on the internet that doesn't even use mongodb

Woooow, not using mongodb is a bummer

09:16

you miss soo many good stuff

@Avolicious r u the ceo?

Ryozuki

@Avolicious r u the ceo?

nah, techlead

i dont use mongo

09:17

psql master race

09:17

if u cant model ur data in a solid structure its bad model

09:17

change my mind

I loved this article 10 years ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25990400

mongo is not ACID compliant

09:18

u might as well write to dev null

Ryozuki

if u cant model ur data in a solid structure its bad model

Different sources? How to store them?

Nosql is a bizarre phenomenon. I have this conspiracy theory that it's created solely so people who have a hard time putting their data in a model can also code

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like the no code or low code shenanigans

09:19

just reading those words i chuckle

fokkonaut

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i dont get the german meme

justatest

Learath2

Nosql is a bizarre phenomenon. I have this conspiracy theory that it's created solely so people who have a hard time putting their data in a model can also code

Storing data from different sources, who are totally different at all, but you still want them to be searchable "be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept"

diferent sources?

09:20

explain more

Avolicious

Storing data from different sources, who are totally different at all, but you still want them to be searchable "be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept"

I also don't like that last sentence you sent. Maybe that's why I don't enjoy nosql either

u can model data always, what changes is the level of detail

I've always been a fan of rigid protocols

same

09:21

predictable too

Be liberal in what you accept is why chromium is like 20 million lines of code with a cve every other week

Avolicious

nah, techlead

this is good, through this chat i can make ur company invest in rust

09:22

gigachad

Ryozuki

this is good, through this chat i can make ur company invest in rust

Indoctrination

shut

Rustelevangelist

i need a ferris plushie

Ryozuki

this is good, through this chat i can make ur company invest in rust

I never said that rust is not the promising future

good good

09:23

justatest

We already switched some of our core legacy apps to a newer ( learath will hate me ) rust based cloud native solution

poggers2

09:24

cloud native web scale rust!

09:24

what does cloud native even mean

Rust based

Cloud native ohno

ohno

a new human race from the clouds emerged

09:24

the natives will invade

09:25

and bring rust into our homes

I'm guessing cloud native means whatever the person who made the software defines it as

Ryozuki

what does cloud native even mean

https://cloud.google.com/learn/what-is-cloud-native?hl=en

ddnet server is cloud native

Ryozuki

ddnet server is cloud native

xDDDDD

it speaks to the cloud through the udp api

Avolicious

https://cloud.google.com/learn/what-is-cloud-native?hl=en

The "Contact Sales" button at the very top should be a red flag

gigachad

Learath2

The "Contact Sales" button at the very top should be a red flag

... Learath... its google, what do you expect...

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09:27

Nah, but for real. We switched from a monolithic java ee app to a very new modular rust based solution. splitting the application in smaller parts and rethink our use-cases

well u left java so it cant be bad

Ryozuki

well u left java so it cant be bad

We still have Java

justatest

Now the next step is to go to a monolithic rust application CoolPika

CoolPika

@Avolicious do u use the native vm thing, or the new gc z smth

But the cool kidz like me are preferring kotlin

@Avolicious r u doing cool rust projects

09:29

whats the pay

09:29

santatrollet

Anyway, chopping up applications isn't a bad idea. I think the thing that's very slippery is the thinking that all these pieces need to be infinitely scalable

Never talk about money

what

09:30

u mean here

y

ah ok

09:30

i dont mind talking money

09:30

gigachad

you can still talk with your money

09:31

but not about gigachad

gigachad

Avolicious

Never talk about money

Americans and people who make between 50k and 200k€ always say that

09:32

Above 200k people love to brag. Below 50k people love to complain

Learath2

Americans and people who make between 50k and 200k€ always say that

Tbh, because it doesnt matter at all

i make less than 50k but i can kinda brag in spain justatest

justatest

money matters to pay stuff, but not in front of others

eh

Ryozuki

i make less than 50k but i can kinda brag in spain justatest

justatest

As rust developer?

money rules the workd

Avolicious

As rust developer?

ye

Ryozuki

ye

Oh okay

a salary over 50k in spain is rly hard

for real?

i dont know anyone with it

I know a lot of programmers they work in madrid, they are a way > 50k

damn

but i plan to

Avolicious

I know a lot of programmers they work in madrid, they are a way > 50k

r they senior

09:34

i have 2y xp

Ryozuki

r they senior

Ah, yeah might be

around here avg is much higher than 50

09:35

for junior

09:35

senior make 90+

They are mostly >40 yrs (edited)

i actually got some tentative offers for 60k tho

09:35

but the project wasnt as cool

09:35

like making a compiler

xd

Urgh, a compiler for another programming lang based on rust? xD

not based on rust

Nah he just likes that

In italy I only know one guy with a 50k€ salary

09:36

And he is unhappy with it because he'd be paid more in the USA, absolutely delusional behaviour

Avolicious

They are mostly >40 yrs (edited)

im 22

Literally lives like a king here

i have the highest salary among my friends

09:36

justatest

09:37

23 soon

09:37

Celebrate

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Learath2

And he is unhappy with it because he'd be paid more in the USA, absolutely delusional behaviour

Yeah US is crazy, I also had offers from over there

Being a teacher is barely 24k in France justatest

justatest

1

im 17 and in post-college level internship justatest

justatest

is college uni?

Learath2

And he is unhappy with it because he'd be paid more in the USA, absolutely delusional behaviour

messed up

im always confused

yeah

17 and uni?

09:38

r u a genius

no uni

09:38

too expensive

09:38

idk man

09:38

they like me

ah u meant the level of internship

ya

i mean i work with mlir

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peers

i think its considered post doctorate

09:39

xd

it’s fascinating shit

Avolicious

Yeah US is crazy, I also had offers from over there

The places in the US where you make insane money are also insanely expensive to live in. I have a friend with a salary of around 150k$. They still share a house with 2 other people

kek

Learath2

The places in the US where you make insane money are also insanely expensive to live in. I have a friend with a salary of around 150k$. They still share a house with 2 other people

Well in my case the company would pay my rent, but I dont like the US medical system, tax system nor the other systems

with my salary i can live alone but im living with parents saving money justatest

justatest

I am a proud european pepo

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owning a house w/ $150k salary is not outlandish around here. but around super dense areas like the coasts your house is either in the suburbs or tiny and shitty

Learath2

The places in the US where you make insane money are also insanely expensive to live in. I have a friend with a salary of around 150k$. They still share a house with 2 other people

this just seems like a smarter arrangement

09:41

not like they couldn’t have their own place if they wanted to

Eh, they could rent a tiny studio alone but that's about it

are they in NYC or something

The housing market in the bay area is fucked beyond your imagination

rent that crazy is reserved for like 3 areas

Learath2

The housing market in the bay area is fucked beyond your imagination

ah

09:42

yep

09:43

i work in boulder but im like 30 mins away by interstate xd

09:43

not unreasonable

2

It seems your best bet in the US is to just live in one of those exurbs of the city and just take a car into the city

and take care to not be shot

Which I could never do. I just despise traffic

Learath2

Which I could never do. I just despise traffic

Be Elon Musk and build an underground travel system

traffic is just a part of life

Or go into the opposite direction and build vehicles you can fly with

09:46

but dont sell them, because all the richis will get one too, and then the air will get crowded too

Ewan

traffic is just a part of life

Everywhere I've lived so far has had a way to avoid it, a revolutionary technology called trains

round these parts i mean

09:46

train is a joke

Trains urgh.... have you ever used the Deutsche Bahn @Learath2 ?

09:47

I doubt it

Avolicious

Trains urgh.... have you ever used the Deutsche Bahn @Learath2 ?

I have taken 2 trains in germany, but I know I got lucky and they were on time

Learath2

I have taken 2 trains in germany, but I know I got lucky and they were on time

This is not even lucky, this is a god sent proof

trains in tokyo

You guys need to take a look at how italy does things. I take italian trains all the time, I never saw a delay longer than 10 minutes

god sent

Ryozuki

and take care to not be shot

xd

Last time I used the train for a meeting in Berlin, they just cancelled the train 10 minutes before departure

09:49

After that I never ever used the train in germany

09:49

Only going by car or airplanes

If you really absolutely have to have capitalism on the railroads your best bet is to steal the japanese or italian model. Otherwise just renationalize the entire thing

whats the latest train in japan? 13 seconds or so? and they even apologized for it

09:51

imagine you have to wait 13 seconds....

Sometimes trains are late due to uncontrollable externalities. Like "Human related incident"

20 seconds, sorry https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42009839

Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early

Management on the Tsukuba Express line "sincerely apologised for the inconvenience" caused.

09:52

Okay, gonna go back into the meeting. @Ryozuki keep me posted with the good stuff of the rust ecosystem

Meanwhile in France....

Pipou

Being a teacher is barely 24k in France justatest

justatest

Wtf, what kind of teacher. And how much with taxes paid and how many hours? 24k sounds insanely low

I've had decent luck with french trains too. As long as there isn't a strike they seem to operate on time but when is there not a strike in France

Jupstar ✪

Wtf, what kind of teacher. And how much with taxes paid and how many hours? 24k sounds insanely low

Tbh sounds about correct to me if it's after taxes

09:56

Teachers are hilariously underpaid everywhere outside the nordics

Learath2

Tbh sounds about correct to me if it's after taxes

If after taxes it's okish

09:56

But also still depends on what kind of teacher ofc xd

LOL, just noticed this isn't #off-topic

But it's development of society

09:58

Completely correct channel

xD

10:00

career development

Jupstar ✪

Wtf, what kind of teacher. And how much with taxes paid and how many hours? 24k sounds insanely low

Middle school to high school (6th to 12th grade). About 1600€/month after taxes for 18h/week but usually people tend to forget you still have to work when you get home

@Pipou are u a teacher?

You still have to mark papers, prepare lesson plans + extra hours at school meetings etc

10:03

Yeah

10:04

(hours that aren't paid)

Yeah I live in a teachers family

10:04

You clearly don't do it for the money in France

Yeah for highschool the payment on Germany is much higher

@Jupstar ✪ u must keep the tradition, become a rust teacher

I think France has the lowest wage for teachers

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ u must keep the tradition, become a rust teacher

My brother is CS teacher

10:06

I'll force him to reach it

10:06

Teach

nice

After c

That is messed up

10:14

And they wonder why people are getting dumber

Ai will carry

10:15

For individual learning. Teachers will still be needed to monitor generally

10:15

But in Germany we have like 1 teacher for 30 kids.. this was never supposed to work

10:16

Also look at old gen, they have much worse education xD

30 kids per class is what I always had... seems still okayish

Devinci

30 kids per class is what I always had... seems still okayish

It only works BCS kids aren't honest if they fall behind

in spain is the norm

10:17

but u dont know a class with 14

10:17

u get way more professor time

10:17

for ur problems

If all kids would start asking questions it would break apart

Devinci

30 kids per class is what I always had... seems still okayish

same

10:18

not that it’s okay

10:18

i really think teachers should only have a handful

14 is great, it's more dynamic and you can help case by case more than you would with 30 pupils

10:19

I already has a class with 40 pupils, it just sucked

10:19

It's hard to keep them all focused

yeah

About 20 is where it seems to break down. Atleast from what I could observe as a student

10:46

I can't imagine 40

https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2023/05/03/stabilizing-async-fn-in-trait.html

Stabilizing async fn in traits in 2023 | Inside Rust Blog

Want to follow along with Rust development? Curious how you might get involved? Take a look!

13:36

@Learath2 this interests u specifically

13:36

@Jupstar ✪ nice too

13:39

Our goal is to stabilize the MVP for Rust 1.74, which will be released on 2023-11-16. The branch window for this feature opens on July 14 and closes on August 24. To actually stabilize in 1.74, we want to leave room for bug fixes that may arise before the release branch is cut. The key milestones for this goal are as follows:

Ryozuki

https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2023/05/03/stabilizing-async-fn-in-trait.html

Finally. Just recently came across this xd

@Jupstar ✪ u using async?

Only for networking

nice

13:41

u could use mio directly

13:41

https://github.com/tokio-rs/mio

GitHub - tokio-rs/mio: Metal I/O library for Rust.

Metal I/O library for Rust. Contribute to tokio-rs/mio development by creating an account on GitHub.

13:42

this is quite low level

Jupstar ✪

Only for networking

Actually all io

13:42

File system too ^^

Features

>

Non-blocking TCP, UDP I/O event queue backed by epoll, kqueue, and IOCP Zero allocations at runtime Platform specific extensions

13:42

tokio is built on mio

13:48

https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2023/05/04/new-c-features-gcc-13 (edited)

New C features in GCC 13 | Red Hat Developer

The GNU Compiler Collection 13 release implemented a number of interesting features in its C front-end. This article summarizes the most interesting ones.

13:48

justatest

13:50

@Ravie btw u always mention rust is like the metalic rust, but its actually named after a fungus

13:50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(fungus)

Rusts are plant diseases caused by pathogenic fungi of the order Pucciniales (previously known as Uredinales). An estimated 168 rust genera and approximately 7,000 species, more than half of which belong to the genus Puccinia, are currently accepted. Rust fungi are highly specialized plant pathogens with several unique features. Taken as a group...

Ryozuki

https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2023/05/04/new-c-features-gcc-13 (edited)

Where rust front end

Ryozuki

@Ravie btw u always mention rust is like the metalic rust, but its actually named after a fungus

that somehow makes it an even worse name

I mean the fungus looks like rust. I think it's cool xd

yeah but still what does it have to do with programming

Xd

what does the letter C has to do with programming

I'd say you don't really want either kind of rust inside your pc if anything

c++

13:56

Ez

python

13:56

a snake

Defs

slow snake

The snake under the programming languages

13:58

Rust is ravenclaw CPP is Gryffindor Python Slytherin Java Hufflepuff

13:59

Debate settled

https://twitter.com/jdegoes/status/1654076055911555073

John A De Goes (@jdegoes)

https://t.co/O1IYFMmdaf

14:16

@Jupstar ✪ this is the scala language dev i think

14:16

xd

14:18

ok not dev of the language, but like a heavy promoter

Ryozuki

https://twitter.com/jdegoes/status/1654076055911555073

*smokes a fat blunt* (edited)

14:25

do i even need to say it

Ryozuki

what does the letter C has to do with programming

Computer Compiler

cock

14:27

(the chicken)

isn't it because it was after A and B or smt?

Ryozuki

(the chicken)

:(

Mr.Gh0s7

isn't it because it was after A and B or smt?

Probably, cause even D exists. Even tho the community isn't really there.

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17:13

poggers2

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

whats this

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Voxel

whats this

bevy, with the egui entity inspector plugin

17:21

im making a game

oh nice!

(copium)

were you trying to predict something i was gonna say

no

oh

i just know myself

17:22

99% this wont be something finished

17:22

but i always enjoy coding in bevy

17:22

its such a unique thing

17:22

and rusty

it better be fun to play at least

17:24

the game that is...

my idea is none other than hotline miami with teeworlds theme

17:27

and some ddnet memes

17:28

top down

lol (@Jupstar ✪)

Rust is ravenclaw CPP is Gryffindor Python Slytherin Java Hufflepuff

17:33

I forgot actually. I have a pine phone and barley ever used it. I think it runs manjaro tho (@Mr.Gh0s7)

postmarketos

chillerdragon

I forgot actually. I have a pine phone and barley ever used it. I think it runs manjaro tho (@Mr.Gh0s7)

ah ok cool ;) I have a xiaomi (codename: lavender) so I have to learn how to port and then port it first (mainline it etc) although I am just continuing others work

Wot? So you write drivers or what? (@Mr.Gh0s7)

ah ok cool ;) I have a xiaomi (codename: lavender) so I have to learn how to port and then port it first (mainline it etc) although I am just continuing others work

chillerdragon

Wot? So you write drivers or what? (@Mr.Gh0s7)

No, I am completely new to this xD.

Then idk what you do

yeah idk either xD

18:11

mostly reading through the postmarketos wiki and trying to understand

kek germany

18:13

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Ryozuki

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is the encryption shit that goes with maploading neccessary if i just want to load a map? xD

18:21

like externally

Teero

is the encryption shit that goes with maploading neccessary if i just want to load a map? xD

wat

Learath2

People have this delusion that everything has to be distributed, everything needs to be on the cloud, everything needs to be split into dozens of microservices

because it's easier to design like that

18:22

but then compiler cant globally optimize

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6559 Show error message popup on assertion error in client and when client fails to launch

Alternative to #6493.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddne...

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪

nuclear must be 0% tho

Jupstar ✪

Wtf, what kind of teacher. And how much with taxes paid and how many hours? 24k sounds insanely low

im a uni teacher, im paid 24k before taxes

😵‍💫

1

oof

18:27

i get 33k

Ryozuki

what does the letter C has to do with programming

because it came after B language that also came after A

Ryozuki

i get 33k

as a teacher? i thought you were in private company

private

18:30

no teacher xd

18:31

i woulf say in spain most earn 22-26

18:31

in general, not it

22k bro, wtf how much do u pay for rents? 1k per month?

18:35

so u end up with nothing xd

18:35

u work, just to pay rent and food

18:35

awesome life

Jupstar ✪

22k bro, wtf how much do u pay for rents? 1k per month?

in a city, probs that

18:35

thats why living alone is hard

Jupstar ✪

u work, just to pay rent and food

i pay 500€ for rent on a 1.8k€ net wage

thats impossible in barcelona xd

Chairn

i pay 500€ for rent on a 1.8k€ net wage

oh wow 1.8k is weird

18:51

do u almost pay no taxes?

ye 1.8k with 24k is a lot

18:51

i get 2.1k with 33k

even that is still okish

18:52

i think 33k would be around 1.9k in ger

before i had 25k salary in another company, i got 1.6k iirc

i pay 60€ taxes per month that is already deducted on my paycheck

18:52

i got 2100€ before taxes

and health care?

do u work in public sector?

in germany u pay like at least 300€ just for health care already

here u pay for IRPF

18:53

mainly

18:53

https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob.es/Sede/en_gb/irpf.html

Tax Agency:Personal Income Tax

We will inform you about the tax and help you prepare and file your income tax return.

oh, actually im paid 1650 net...

that makes more sense

rip xD

i don't pay healthcare cuz im public servant

3

oh nice

u serve ur country

18:54

nice nice

18:54

viva la france!

i don't know actually

i don't understand the line on my paycheck

@Jupstar ✪ i dont pay healthcare directly, but indirectly through IRPF

we also have such a system, but its not trivial to get in

its like 18% of my gross monthly salary (edited)

18:54

not net

18:54

dirty

18:54

or

18:54

before taxes

18:55

idk the name

18:55

brain off

18:55

gross

brutto

18:55

xd

gross is the word

18:55

xd

101000 TRAITEMENT BRUT € 2138,86
401110 COT SAL VIEILLESSE PLAFON € 147,58
401210 C.S.G. NON DEDUCTIBLE € 50,43
401310 C.S.G. DEDUCTIBLE € 142,90
401510 C.R.D.S. € 10,51
402110 COT SAL VIEILLESSE DEPLAF € 8,56
501010 COT SAL IRCANTEC TR.A € 59,88

bruto in spanish

Hmm

raw salary and all the taxes deducted

18:55

please enlighten me

18:56

i can get a phd, but i cant understand french administration vocabulary

18:56

first line is retirement

18:56

others are gibberish

Cotización Contingencias Comunes(4.80%) 132,00
Cotización Formación Profesional(0.10%) 2,75
Cotización Desempleo(1.55%) 42,63
Tributación IRPF(17.71%) 495,88

18:56

my deductions

18:57

over 2.800,

why u even earn so much money in argentinia

dude

18:57

its not argentina

18:57

its global company

18:57

actually they will move the base here

18:57

and also open one in france

18:58

its international

Jupstar ✪

why u even earn so much money in argentinia

but i also had that thought first xd

18:58

which is exactly why they move out of there

18:58

cuz the bad view

@Ryozuki did u know there is barcelona in venezuela?

ye xd

18:58

fake city

valencia too xD

18:59

they steal spain cities

well

18:59

spain went there...

18:59

blobwhistle

xD

18:59

tru

18:59

poor majas

what's tributacion?

ur contribution, or what u gotta pay

19:02

irpf is the main tax

first seems to be general tax, then professionnal formation, then unemployment benefits

translation of irpf purpose

19:02

Why is personal income tax paid? The main purpose is to respond to the principle established in the Spanish Constitution that all Spaniards must contribute to the support of public expenses. On the other hand, it tries to favor those people who are in a more precarious situation.

19:03

u pay less irpf if u get less

19:04

and its taxed at parts

19:04

for example

19:05

the first 14k is taxed at X%, the 14k to 24k at Y%

19:05

ok this image sucks

19:06

Image attachment

19:06

this

do we use bors still?

19:32

https://github.com/apps/bors

19:33

The publicly hosted instance of bors-ng is deprecated and will go away soon.

19:33

https://bors.tech/newsletter/2023/05/01/tmib-76/

Seventy-sixth monthly bors newsletter

It’s another monthly burst of news about bors-ng, the old, deprecated, third-party merge queue implementation for GitHub.

19:33

The main reason for this is that GitHub has a built-in merge queue now that is publicly available. It’s still marked “beta”, but you can use it without going on a wait list. More importantly, there’s a bunch of bugs in bors-ng that we can’t fix, but they can. For example (this is not an exhaustive list):

19:34

@deen

we've an issue for that already

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/137e3qf/get_gnu_gnud/

r/ProgrammerHumor - Get gnu gnu'd

24,914 votes and 603 comments so far on Reddit

@Jupstar ✪ max perf rust in linux

19:50

[target.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu]
linker = "clang"
rustflags = ["-Clink-arg=-fuse-ld=lld", "-Zshare-generics=y"]

19:50

u need nightly

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ max perf rust in linux

runtime perf?

19:51

what kind of perf are we talking about xd

19:51

the output binary's runtime?

idk

19:51

maybe link time

19:51

this enabled sharing monomorphized types

19:51

or smth

19:51

xd

but then mold would be faster, wouldnt it?

bevy recommends it

Jupstar ✪

but then mold would be faster, wouldnt it?

idk if mold supports this

yeah but mold generally so fast

19:52

and release perf doesnt matter to me

xd

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6489 Just Pseudo Fly gives error in server console

yo guys, ddnet crashes every other time (edited)

21:09

im on nightly

21:09

heres crash log

DDNet_win64-steam_crash_log_2023-05-04_23-04-10_17512_b3f384f312ffdfe760ba12778bfc1a72d2a1efb4.RTP

9.43 KB

Also had a crash today when tabbing out xd

first two times it was tabbing out

21:17

oh, and it happened again x)

21:17

thats 4th time in the last 5min

It's the resize crash again

0x00000001402fa104: dbg_break() at src/base/system.cpp:192
 (inlined by) dbg_assert_imp(char const*, int, int, char const*) at src/base/system.cpp:185
0x00000001402fa10e: dbg_assert_imp(char const*, int, int, char const*) at src/base/system.cpp:187
0x0000000140296942: __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator<CFont**, std::vector<CFont*, std::allocator<CFont*> > >::__normal_iterator(CFont** const&) at /usr/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include/c++/12.2.0/bits/stl_iterator.h:1073
 (inlined by) std::vector<CFont*, std::allocator<CFont*> >::end() at /usr/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include/c++/12.2.0/bits/stl_vector.h:889
 (inlined by) CTextRender::OnWindowResize() at src/engine/client/text.cpp:1961
0x00000001400315f5: __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator<std::function<void ()>*, std::vector<std::function<void ()>, std::allocator<std::function<void ()> > > >::operator++() at /usr/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include/c++/12.2.0/bits/stl_iterator.h:1107
 (inlined by) CGraphics_Threaded::GotResized(int, int, int) at src/engine/client/graphics_threaded.cpp:3060
0x000000014003baad: CInput::Update() at src/engine/client/input.cpp:766
0x00000001400283d8: CClient::Run() at src/engine/client/client.cpp:3191

Lol that again

21:19

I'd love to understand it. It must be something really stupid xd

ive been wondering what do you think is the latest "its not a bug its a feature" thing in ddnet

Vulkan

Jupstar ✪

I'd love to understand it. It must be something really stupid xd

I think this looks suspicious:

STextContainer &GetTextContainer(int Index)
{
    dbg_assert(Index >= 0, "Text container index was invalid.");
    if(Index >= (int)m_vpTextContainers.size())
    {
        int Size = (int)m_vpTextContainers.size();
        for(int i = 0; i < (Index + 1) - Size; ++i)
            m_vpTextContainers.push_back(new STextContainer());
    }

    return *m_vpTextContainers[Index];
}

This could create text containers unexpectedly I think (edited)

Voxel

ive been wondering what do you think is the latest "its not a bug its a feature" thing in ddnet

rust

kek

1

Anime.pdf

rust

what

22:46

elaborate

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6560 Replace EntityEx with new netobjs

This is a proposal for replacing EntityEx with new netobjects, like suggested in #5860.

Adds a new DDNetPickup that includes switch number
a new DDNetProjectile that replaces the old one (which is renamed to DDRaceProjectile)
- includes switch number, tunezone and velocity/speed (plus a flag that can be used to send velocitiy of player projectiles with full precision)
switch number and subtype is added to DDNetLaser (to distinguish e.g. draggers with different strength)

The pr ...

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