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Between 2023-05-02 00:00:00Z and 2023-05-03 00:00:00Z
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chillerdragon BOT 2023-05-02 05:20:39Z
Yes and switching between versions. Just like pyenv or nvm (@Jupstar ✪)
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Jupstar ✪
it sounded like u wanted to make compiling sdl easier
2023-05-01 19:52:42Z
05:22
Saw the video on my yt home page. Thought the thumbnail says it all. Is it funi ? (@Learath2)
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Learath2#2281
https://youtu.be/tLdRBsuvVKc
2023-05-01 23:21:32Z
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 05:39:07Z
I watched it a bit. It's basically. They deleted their db and fallback db. Had no backups, except some daily sync with test db. 6h of data lost
05:39
Not really interesting
05:39
Comments are either jokes or suggestions to prevent this happening again
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chillerdragon BOT 2023-05-02 05:46:53Z
!tldw jopsti
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Thank
05:47
This is your first warning lerato. Sharing non interesting videos is a bannable offense! (@Jupstar ✪)
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Jupstar ✪
Not really interesting
2023-05-02 05:39:17Z
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 05:49:14Z
Xdd
05:49
Du we soon get Auto moderation chillerbot
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Jupstar ✪
Not really interesting
ReiTW 2023-05-02 05:56:28Z
The video may not be interesting but the incident yes
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 06:26:43Z
The only interesting thing is, that someone plays around as super user like that on live systems
06:27
Maybe they should use doas on live systems xd
06:27
Ez fix
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 07:13:34Z
i do the same yikes
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 07:14:35Z
But u are bash God
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Ewan 2023-05-02 07:22:04Z
I use doas
07:22
I love it
07:22
permit persist wheel (edited)
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 07:27:30Z
yes i am bash god
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check this trol out
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 07:29:26Z
Intuitive Max level
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ChillerDragon
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Ewan 2023-05-02 07:40:46Z
what’s happening here
07:40
why backticks trump single quote
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 07:49:21Z
they dont
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but ruby interprets the back ticks on bash :D
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not*
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:40:17Z
compile day
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@Jupstar ✪ @heinrich5991 @Learath2 did u know most memmoves implementations are not standard C?
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because they dont allow a optimisation
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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4023320/how-to-implement-memmove-in-standard-c-without-an-intermediate-copy
How to implement memmove in standard C without an intermediate copy?
From the man page on my system: void *memmove(void *dst, const void *src, size_t len); DESCRIPTION The memmove() function copies len bytes from string src to string dst. ...
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it's not possible to implement memmove efficiently in standard C.
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ChillerDragon
but ruby interprets the back ticks on bash :D
Ewan 2023-05-02 08:42:37Z
Oh
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Learath2 2023-05-02 08:42:38Z
Most memmove implementations are hand rolled vectorized code
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Learath2
Most memmove implementations are hand rolled vectorized code
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:43:25Z
my point stands
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DevilGlare
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Ewan 2023-05-02 08:43:42Z
I'm drinking dis tea
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😃
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Learath2 2023-05-02 08:44:23Z
Oh, I see the question has emphasis on the standard
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:45:00Z
ye thats my point xd
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Learath2 2023-05-02 08:46:14Z
I think this is sort of fine fwiw. The standard could define more behaviour so that an efficient memmove can be implemented on x86_64. However, leaving it undefined lets compilers implement an efficient one on other arches too
08:47
Maybe such behaviour can be upped to implementation defined to force compiler vendors to provide similar means to the end user
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Ewan
I'm drinking dis tea
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:47:27Z
sip
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Ewan
I'm drinking dis tea
Learath2 2023-05-02 08:47:50Z
Disrespect tea?
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Ewan 2023-05-02 08:48:31Z
Naw
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Armless palmer
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Tho I don't taste the lemonade.
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Learath2 2023-05-02 08:49:55Z
I've tried iced tea lemonades in a couple places, they've always been far too sweet to taste the lemonade
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:50:03Z
i dont like tea
08:50
its weird water
08:50
coffee best
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Learath2 2023-05-02 08:52:39Z
I knew I was getting bad vibes from you. Heretic
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Ryozuki
its weird water
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 08:53:33Z
Tea is simply for the real chillers
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:53:35Z
i cant be british
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 08:53:48Z
"tea is weird water"
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xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 08:53:59Z
I'd be surprised if ChillerDragon does not drink tea
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 08:54:06Z
i dont do tea
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:54:09Z
chiller goes to desolate zones to play tw
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 08:54:10Z
im coffee guy too
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 08:54:13Z
And off
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:54:14Z
nice
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 08:54:47Z
im currently trying microdosing coffee
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:54:51Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKV18A1DluU
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Teeworlds in 2020
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 08:54:51Z
I only drink water and herbal tea
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 08:57:23Z
chiller next time clean ur laptop
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Ewan 2023-05-02 09:01:49Z
I like coffee and tea
09:02
However I cannot drink normal coffee anymore it just doesn't do anything
09:02
Espresso or energy drink with every meal of the day
09:02
Usually instead of
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 09:02:42Z
Wtf xD
09:02
Sounds horrible to be addictive xD
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Ewan 2023-05-02 09:03:02Z
It's expensive
09:09
It would be a major productivity hit to try and adjust it because a caffeine deficit on the level I'd need would create slamming headaches and just make me really tired
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And it's hard for me to bounce back from that kind of stuff
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I tried the sparkling water just so I could have something to sip on throughout the day but I went through a 6 pack in a day
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Ryozuki
it's not possible to implement memmove efficiently in standard C.
heinrich5991 2023-05-02 09:10:49Z
it's not possible to implement va_args stuff in C at all
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that's why such stuff is in the standard library
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to do stuff that's otherwise impossible
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Ewan 2023-05-02 09:11:29Z
Have you seen variadic macro implementations? That would make most standard purists cry
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Jupstar ✪
Sounds horrible to be addictive xD
fokkonaut 2023-05-02 09:17:03Z
addicted
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heinrich5991 2023-05-02 09:22:13Z
maybe he was talking about the espresso 🤔
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Ewan
It would be a major productivity hit to try and adjust it because a caffeine deficit on the level I'd need would create slamming headaches and just make me really tired
Learath2 2023-05-02 09:25:01Z
Heard it only takes about a week or two to readjust your tolerance
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 09:27:34Z
@Ryozuki haha i get that a lot my laptop is really disgusting xd
09:28
i dont think that you can survive cold turkey for a week at those rates you might just die from caffein withdrawl
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Ewan 2023-05-02 09:29:54Z
Bad week to do it anyway
09:29
Got shit to take care of
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Learath2 2023-05-02 09:34:44Z
Find a decent week or two and tone down the coffee. The more serious it gets the harder it'll become 😄
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Ewan 2023-05-02 09:41:37Z
Yeah
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Done it before when broke
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Perpetual slog
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 09:58:56Z
Ez
09:59
Ur phone does not support alpha textures apparently
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Jupstar ✪
Ur phone does not support alpha textures apparently
андрюша 2023-05-02 09:59:30Z
what is this (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 09:59:32Z
Gles 1 is really dead
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андрюша
what is this (edited)
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:00:02Z
The text texture only needs a single color channel
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Basically only transparency
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андрюша 2023-05-02 10:00:20Z
okie
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:00:51Z
But this is highly deprecated. In newer opengl version u simply use the r channel(red) and use a shader to access this
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Can't really explain better. But i assume it's simply BCS gles1 is dead
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Jupstar ✪
Can't really explain better. But i assume it's simply BCS gles1 is dead
андрюша 2023-05-02 10:01:29Z
happy
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:03:34Z
I don't understand why we need all these fancy features like prediction and the ability to read text. It's all just bloat
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038306924384485457/1102898005096529960/VideoEditor_20230502_034934.mp4
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Though lol the text did work before I switched out of the app the first time (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:04:37Z
Oh then maybe the implemention for that is buggy
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Android changed some stuff about keeping the opengl handles alive when surface is destroyed
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:05:17Z
This is the newest APK I was able to find. Was support dropped or am I just blind
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9.something
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:05:47Z
Support for building is there.. but that's about it. All controls were removed
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:05:59Z
Good
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The controls are flaming garbage
10:06
Absolutely awful
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:06:23Z
U can play with a keyboard attached to ur phone xd
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:06:37Z
The peak mobile gaming experience
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:06:58Z
@Jupstar ✪ does android support vulkan
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:07:03Z
Yes
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 10:07:05Z
Why not support neuronal controllers
10:07
Playing with ur brain
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Ryozuki
@Jupstar ✪ does android support vulkan
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:07:28Z
Got over 1k fps on brothers phone. Which is better some middle class Intel cpus
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:07:28Z
Why not support telekinesis
10:07
It would probably be pretty good on this phone
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:08:03Z
So the igpu is worse than the phones one xd
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:08:24Z
Phones are heavily reliant on GPU
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Nearly nothing is software rendered on mobile and nowadays they are streaming and decoding devices more than anything (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:11:16Z
Phones have other kind of architecture for GPUs tho. Reading the same buffer that u already written to in the same frame can be extremely slow. That's where all the supasses stuff from Vulkan comes from. So it's ur fault if u do inefficient things xD (edited)
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:12:06Z
ddnet
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:16:00Z
Time to reimplement ddnet in compute shader only
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:16:23Z
So fast until you have to do OS calls and disk IO
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:16:39Z
It gets an API for that xdd
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:16:59Z
I always wanted to see a general purpose shader lang
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:17:12Z
?
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spirv
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:17:19Z
That took the form of a more mainstream programming language lol
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Not like super GPU compatible
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Like bytecode JIT on GPU sounds like interesting project
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:18:13Z
spirv is the webassembly of graphics
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:18:38Z
Generally tho. I could certainly imagine that highly parallelizable tasks will shift more and more to GPU. Biggest downside rn is that cuda etc. Are still to complicated to just do Maybe the runtime would need to figure out on fly if the tasks can be parallelized. XD That's why we need compiler dev Ryozuki
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:19:00Z
@Jupstar ✪ honestly maybe MLIR fixes that
10:19
from llvm
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:19:01Z
Get SDK and learn the crazy stupid language extensions
10:19
Ughhhh
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:19:11Z
https://mlir.llvm.org/
MLIR
Multi-Level IR Compiler Framework
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:19:19Z
Who ever heard of <> in C
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:19:27Z
look at https://mlir.llvm.org/docs/Dialects/GPU/
'gpu' Dialect - MLIR
Multi-Level IR Compiler Framework
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Ryozuki
@Jupstar ✪ honestly maybe MLIR fixes that
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:19:45Z
The problem is. On desktop u cannot simply share memory accross cpu and GPU. On M1 this should be ez
10:19
Moving around memory a lot will probably kill to much performance
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:20:03Z
Yeah
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Jupstar ✪
The problem is. On desktop u cannot simply share memory accross cpu and GPU. On M1 this should be ez
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:20:03Z
?
10:20
MLIR can end up as spirv code
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or llvm ir
10:20
thats the great thing about it xd
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Ewan 2023-05-02 10:20:30Z
You still gotta upload
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:20:48Z
Yes. My point was more that it is too hard to combine cpu and GPU code in one language as if none of these two existed
10:21
U just write rust code and it automatically decides what is best xd
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:22:14Z
Translation to perform --deserialize-spirv - deserializes the SPIR-V module --import-llvm - translate llvmir to mlir --mlir-to-cpp - translate from mlir to cpp --mlir-to-llvmir - translate mlir to llvmir --serialize-spirv - serialize SPIR-V dialect --test-spirv-roundtrip - test roundtrip in SPIR-V dialect --test-spirv-roundtrip-debug - test roundtrip debug in SPIR-V
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:22:18Z
If u create a thewadpool with 1000 threads for whatever it could™️ assume this is a highly parallelizable task
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Jupstar ✪
Yes. My point was more that it is too hard to combine cpu and GPU code in one language as if none of these two existed
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 10:22:38Z
yeah
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Ryozuki
Translation to perform --deserialize-spirv - deserializes the SPIR-V module --import-llvm - translate llvmir to mlir --mlir-to-cpp - translate from mlir to cpp --mlir-to-llvmir - translate mlir to llvmir --serialize-spirv - serialize SPIR-V dialect --test-spirv-roundtrip - test roundtrip in SPIR-V dialect --test-spirv-roundtrip-debug - test roundtrip debug in SPIR-V
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:23:21Z
But cool tho
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Learath2 2023-05-02 10:45:07Z
Mh, the way you code for a gpu is so far from the way you code for a cpu that I think such a language would end up being worse for both
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:48:02Z
Maybe. Maybe some 400iq person will find a way xd
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Learath2 2023-05-02 10:48:29Z
If someone does figure it out and it works well, it'll be someone with an anime pfp
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:49:01Z
Maybe the solution is much more stupid. Execute it on cpu and GPU and see which is faster xdd
10:49
That would be the jupstar approach. Just throw every rock u find in nature against it lmao
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Learath2 2023-05-02 10:51:54Z
I think the issue there is that there are many restrictions on what sort of code can be executed on the gpu and only a further subset of that is performant. We have a lot of trouble even vectorizing the simplest of stuff on cpu's which have very limited vector capabilities anyway
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:52:21Z
Yep. It would not easily work with every code
10:53
I think about smth like for example rayon which has parallel iterators. Rayon also tries to assume the number of threads it will use
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Learath2 2023-05-02 10:53:41Z
I was about to say the exact same thing 😄
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 10:53:50Z
Ez
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Learath2 2023-05-02 10:54:54Z
Some subset of code can be easier to try on the gpu, like if we were already parralelizing on the cpu, the hard part of vectorizing is done. Then the easier part of working with the gpu features available is already mostly solved
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 12:29:43Z
Ddnet has 400 ⭐ 🥳
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Teero 2023-05-02 12:58:06Z
kek i destroyed it
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Tiran 2023-05-02 14:03:27Z
Anyone know how to make custom game modes?
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 14:39:59Z
better question: anyone here is willing to waste their time on implementing my idea
14:40
my answer is no
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 14:41:14Z
Xd
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Yes, but i won't tell xddd
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Tiran
Anyone know how to make custom game modes?
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 14:42:27Z
If u never coded before u gonna have a hard time. Else start to play around with the server code
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Tiran 2023-05-02 14:51:31Z
Okie
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chillerdragon BOT 2023-05-02 15:41:47Z
What yo guys talkin bout
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ChillerDragon BOT 2023-05-02 16:01:30Z
a custom game modes xd
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@Tiran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB_aSIOmdu4&list=PLhJkqAQmOh5LyYOfnMy4PJB6CSZltQyTc
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Teeworlds programming #001 - hello world server
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Tiran 2023-05-02 16:03:34Z
Eepers jeepers! This might be useful sometime!
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 16:25:12Z
til sqrt(3) is odd
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https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/26837/do-odd-imaginary-numbers-exist-parity-for-gaussian-integers/26843#26843
Do odd imaginary numbers exist? [parity for Gaussian integers]
Is the concept of an odd imaginary number defined/well-defined/used in mathematics? I searched around but couldn't find anything. Thanks!
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more interesting stuff: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/49034/is-infinity-an-odd-or-even-number
Is infinity an odd or even number?
My 6 year old wants to know if infinity is an odd or even number. His 38 year old father is keen to know too.
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 16:34:55Z
In IEC 60559* floating-point arithmetic, pow(-1, ∞) is 1.
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This is because all large binary and decimal floating-point numbers are even, and thus so is infinity.
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xd
16:36
is infinity prime
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fuckyousnail
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 16:52:05Z
https://blog.edwardloveall.com/lets-make-sure-github-doesnt-become-the-only-option
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:09:42Z
@Jupstar ✪ https://www.modular.com/mojo
Mojo 🔥: Programming language for all of AI
Mojo combines the usability of Python with the performance of C, unlocking unparalleled programmability of AI hardware and extensibility of AI models.
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kekw
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this is done by the creators of llvm
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:13:40Z
python in fast xD
17:13
but still python
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:13:44Z
it has a borrow checker
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:14:00Z
😮
17:14
but still pyson
17:14
i cant handle this syntax
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:14:31Z
As well as:
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The full power of MLIR
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Parallel heterogenous runtime
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Fast compile times
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:15:10Z
help them @Ryozuki
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https://www.modular.com/careers#open-roles
Modular: Careers
At Modular we believe a great culture is the key to creating a great company. The three pillars we work by are Build products users love, Empower people, and Be an incredible team.
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AI Compiler Engineer
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your part
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Learaths part: Kernel Engineer
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:15:43Z
its all na
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and im not expert
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xd
17:15
their team is insane i think (edited)
17:15
llvm main contributors
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:16:12Z
also just humans ;9
17:16
The estimated base salary range for this role to be performed in the US, regardless of the state, is $180,000.00 - $253,000.00 USD
17:16
lmao
17:16
these salaries in US bro
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:16:45Z
xd
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louis 2023-05-02 17:17:06Z
zayuum
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:17:06Z
rly good salaries
17:17
but living in america
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oof
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i dont want to be shot
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louis 2023-05-02 17:17:16Z
usa on top 🦅
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Ryozuki
but living in america
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:17:34Z
yeah also working remote from europe is kinda struggle
17:17
else i'd maybe try it out
17:17
but no way i move to USA xd
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:17:52Z
i know someone in a company that works with us
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he works rly weird time
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like
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from 8 to 3 morning
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or smth
17:18
big nono
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:18:13Z
if i can live in trump tower maybe.. then i at least live in hell, cant get worse
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:18:23Z
xd
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louis 2023-05-02 17:20:07Z
living in usa isnt bad
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:20:12Z
it is
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louis 2023-05-02 17:20:15Z
not
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:20:16Z
from europe stand point
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louis 2023-05-02 17:20:20Z
no
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:20:24Z
100% xd
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louis 2023-05-02 17:20:27Z
theres pros and cons
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:20:43Z
maybe if u very rich
17:20
its nice, then.. like in every country xD
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louis 2023-05-02 17:20:55Z
some places are a lot cheaper
17:21
ig it depends where ur job is located
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:21:36Z
the happiest ppl are from denmark 🥹
17:21
lets move to denmark
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:21:47Z
usa is not so bad
17:21
it has its issues
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:22:28Z
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/half-america-banks-already-insolvent-133000968.html
Half of America’s banks are already insolvent – this is how a credi...
The twin crashes in US commercial real estate and the US bond market have collided with $9 trillion uninsured deposits in the American banking system. Such deposits can vanish in an afternoon in the cyber age.
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:22:29Z
usa is not democratic enough for my standards
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:22:31Z
also america:
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louis 2023-05-02 17:23:44Z
europe has crisis too 😅
17:23
crisises?
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crisi
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idk
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:23:58Z
usa is the best and the worst. thats the problem xD
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if u part of the besties, its nice
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if u part of the worst. u are doomed
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louis 2023-05-02 17:24:33Z
ye pretty true
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but i think there is a place for most ppl
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depending on what u want
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:25:01Z
yeah, probably 😄
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well also independent of society, europe has very good geographical properties almost no earthquakes almost no hurricans etc.
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:26:09Z
true
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i never felt hurrican or earthquake
17:26
barcelona is rly safe
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louis 2023-05-02 17:26:19Z
true
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:26:29Z
also i got sea and mountain in the city
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:26:30Z
Bangladesch is doomed in the next years
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louis 2023-05-02 17:26:32Z
ive been near tornados that all ive experienced though
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:26:32Z
i have never felt hurricane or earthquake
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:26:47Z
also europe is way more cultiraly rich
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louis 2023-05-02 17:26:57Z
but we have cheaper restaurants so
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:26:57Z
usa is a fabricated country no more than 300y? old
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louis 2023-05-02 17:26:58Z
we win
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:26:59Z
or 200
17:26
xd
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louis
but we have cheaper restaurants so
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:27:04Z
xd
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:27:11Z
@louis ?
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tell prices
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:27:20Z
well germany is like 70 years
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louis 2023-05-02 17:27:24Z
its cheaper for sure ryozoozki
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:27:25Z
u have to tip lmao
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:27:25Z
louis we have to tip bro
17:27
yeah
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louis 2023-05-02 17:27:27Z
i lived in netherlands before
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:27:28Z
LOL
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:27:36Z
with 14€ i get rly nice food here
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no tips
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louis 2023-05-02 17:27:39Z
well yea but its not as much even with xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:27:46Z
but that's also an advantage, germany's constitution is pretty solid
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louis 2023-05-02 17:27:47Z
omg u know best place for food prices is korea
17:27
hugely delicious lunch for $4
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:28:01Z
catalonia exists since 1300
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louis
i lived in netherlands before
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:28:15Z
netherlands have bad buns, else good country xd
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louis
hugely delicious lunch for $4
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:28:19Z
what does it have?
17:28
appart of the unregulated american food
17:28
america actually tried hard to sidestep what makes eu food more safe
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Washing chicken in chlorine and other disinfectants to remove harmful bacteria was a practice banned by the European Union (EU) in 1997 over food safety concerns. The ban has stopped virtually all imports of US chicken meat which is generally treated by this process.
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Voxel 2023-05-02 17:29:05Z
america better be open source
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:29:26Z
meat processing in the united states is a nightmare
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:29:34Z
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-01-27/chicken-chemicals-eu-trade
U.S. wants the EU to accept chemical-washed chicken as part of trad...
Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue said Brussels should accept food production methods banned in Europe to secure a trade deal.
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Voxel 2023-05-02 17:29:36Z
tru
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:29:51Z
food safety is one of the key good points of eu
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:29:51Z
we have been cleaning beef in ammonia for decades
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:30:04Z
but japan is even better
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at food safety
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:30:10Z
good that i dont eat meat so many scandals in this industry
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:30:10Z
its so safe u can eat raw eggs
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r u vegan?
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:30:25Z
kinda
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jao 2023-05-02 17:30:26Z
at least murica is a country not like catalan
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:30:35Z
facepalm1
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Ryozuki
what does it have?
louis 2023-05-02 17:30:55Z
i used to live on a military base so ig its cheaper than normal but its like preset lunch meal w rice and sides and soup/daily specials#
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r u vegan?
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:31:03Z
problem is, u cant really be vegan, bcs every fucking product has some hidden animal stuff.. its not even about food xD buy shoes and they probs not vegan xDD
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:31:14Z
i enjoy meat
17:31
xd
17:31
life is too short
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:31:28Z
the alternatives are better already
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jao
at least murica is a country not like catalan
Ewan 2023-05-02 17:31:33Z
?
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Ewan
?
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:31:40Z
this is a inside joke
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:31:43Z
oh lol
17:31
my geography senses were tingling
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:31:59Z
they should
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ryozuki is not independent yet xdd
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:32:21Z
i remember reading about catalonian independence in elementary school
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and that's the last i heard of it
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Jupstar ✪
ryozuki is not independent yet xdd
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:32:25Z
xd
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Ewan
i remember reading about catalonian independence in elementary school
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:32:38Z
rly?
17:32
where u from btw
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:32:49Z
united state
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:33:06Z
i used to be very pro independence, but my interest in politics faded
17:33
im too busy working
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:33:21Z
unfortunate
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Ewan
united state
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:33:24Z
so ur luxemburg flag is fake ? 🥲
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:33:30Z
unfortunately
17:33
i just love the flag
17:33
it's so vibrant
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luxembourg wouldbe a cool place to be though
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Ewan
united state
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:34:04Z
but r u from a city or red neck state
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do u have a shotgun
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:34:18Z
colorado has always been pretty mixed
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:34:24Z
do u scare off crocodils
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while shouting
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:34:32Z
i live near denver which is a big city but that doesn't mean there aren't rednecks around
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:35:00Z
today a tourist went to me and asked "taxi?" and i was like "what?" im not a taxi bruv (edited)
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Ewan
luxembourg wouldbe a cool place to be though
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:35:04Z
they are the richest country per capita xDD
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:35:07Z
i am in what can best be described as suburban ghetto xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:35:11Z
and have free public transport
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:35:18Z
wouldn't that be nice
17:35
around here you have to get the RTD pass and i think it's $100/year just for the lightrail
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like, that doesn't count bus fare
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and there arent too many buses around
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:36:06Z
since yesterday, we have the Deutschland Ticket 49€
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:36:18Z
whats that
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:36:28Z
u can travel through whole germany for 49€
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:36:33Z
here if u are under 30 u can get a 3-month unlimited pass for 40€
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:36:33Z
but not ICE
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:36:37Z
for barcelona
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:36:43Z
nice
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 17:37:18Z
the 9€ ticket was insane
17:37
it had like 20 millions sales
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in a country of 80 million ppl
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oh wait
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52 million sales xD
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65% of all citizen had it
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i was one of the 35% xDD
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:38:22Z
xd
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:38:58Z
DAMN
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 17:40:12Z
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/~asampson/blog/flattening.html
Flattening ASTs (and Other Compiler Data Structures)
This is an introduction to data structure flattening, a special case of arena allocation that is a good fit for programming language implementations.We build a simple interpreter twice, the normal way and the flat way, and show that some fairly mechanical code changes can give you a 2.4× speedup.
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they use rust btw
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xd
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Ewan 2023-05-02 17:42:04Z
neat
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:00:08Z
@Ryozuki have u seen this game https://gitlab.com/veloren/veloren made in rust, from screenshot looks pretty good actually, 13k commits is really impressive too and for gitlab 2k stars is really impressive too xDD
Veloren / veloren · GitLab
Veloren is a multiplayer voxel RPG written in Rust. It is inspired by games such as Cube World, Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Dwarf Fortress and...
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Ryozuki
https://veloren.net/ is proof
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:01:09Z
ah
18:01
as i expected
18:01
u just too fast for me xD
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:01:45Z
i played it too
18:01
5mins xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:01:51Z
xD
18:03
gh down again wtf
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i get "Access to this site has been restricted." so often lately
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Jupstar ✪
@Ryozuki have u seen this game https://gitlab.com/veloren/veloren made in rust, from screenshot looks pretty good actually, 13k commits is really impressive too and for gitlab 2k stars is really impressive too xDD
Voxel 2023-05-02 18:04:09Z
im rebranding
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:04:22Z
you are?
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voxel game
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i see
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Voxel 2023-05-02 18:04:37Z
written in rust
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>:(
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(im joking by the way)
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:06:42Z
its ok
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Anime.pdf 2023-05-02 18:06:47Z
Rust's so bad i had to decline my friends' request to play that game troll
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:06:52Z
i had hard times with it in the beginning too
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u just have to be open and try it out xd
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Anime.pdf
Rust's so bad i had to decline my friends' request to play that game troll
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:07:23Z
troll
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minecraft is best, bcs java
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Anime.pdf 2023-05-02 18:08:04Z
Java fucking sucks 😭
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:08:27Z
java is fast, bcs it uses JIT
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2009 arguments
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Anime.pdf 2023-05-02 18:08:35Z
Why did they do minecraft bedrock that way, they could so same thing as java edition but in c++
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:08:48Z
would be epic 😄
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Jupstar ✪
java is fast, bcs it uses JIT
Anime.pdf 2023-05-02 18:08:48Z
C# uses jit as well
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troll
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:09:28Z
java version is easily moddable
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harder with c
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Anime.pdf 2023-05-02 18:09:43Z
Why would someone use java if there is c#, developed by the best org, microsoft
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Ryozuki
java version is easily moddable
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:10:03Z
true, but WASM would be one way
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Anime.pdf 2023-05-02 18:10:04Z
They add features that everyone want, just like they read and analyse your codetroll (edited)
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:10:34Z
lately im playing modded mc
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stoneblock 3
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santatrollet
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Ryozuki
5mins xd
louis 2023-05-02 18:12:47Z
ye its not much substance but beautiful game
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@Ryozuki have u seen this game https://gitlab.com/veloren/veloren made in rust, from screenshot looks pretty good actually, 13k commits is really impressive too and for gitlab 2k stars is really impressive too xDD
Patiga 2023-05-02 18:18:39Z
its fun :)
18:18
an the graphics are actually very pleasant
18:19
I absolute love zooming out in this game, that is a feature I wanna see in more games
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6555 Add convenience functions to convert between UTF-8 encoded strings and wide character strings on Windows

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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:26:19Z
windows bad
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Jupstar ✪
@Ryozuki have u seen this game https://gitlab.com/veloren/veloren made in rust, from screenshot looks pretty good actually, 13k commits is really impressive too and for gitlab 2k stars is really impressive too xDD
Ewan 2023-05-02 18:26:56Z
2k is impressive for github too man
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an the graphics are actually very pleasant
Mr.Gh0s7 2023-05-02 18:27:02Z
from 2021 I haven't played since I think
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Veloren was the main reason I wanted to learn rust.
brownbear 2
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:33:24Z
@Ryozuki time to apply https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2nBeMZ6wC8
CRYENGINE
A CRYSIS is coming. We need your help.
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ReiTW
@Ryozuki time to apply https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2nBeMZ6wC8
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:37:07Z
the game industry is not known for their good jobs
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i dont wanna be a slave
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also im sure they use c++
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:37:42Z
lmao
18:37
ask them to switch to rust
18:38
cry engine : C++ lua & C#
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:38:16Z
loua
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Iza 2023-05-02 18:38:47Z
i find it cool that a game studio has its own engine, but cry engine really isnt that great compared to others, they should just switch imo lol
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:39:31Z
lol cry engine was one of the most advanced engine
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Ryozuki
the game industry is not known for their good jobs
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:39:51Z
it really depends on your job
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ReiTW
lol cry engine was one of the most advanced engine
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:39:58Z
enphasis on "was"
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Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:39:59Z
game dev are slaves xd
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Iza 2023-05-02 18:40:00Z
i have thousands of hours on one of their games, i dont have too good experiences with the engine
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:40:12Z
unreal 5 is better
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Ryozuki
enphasis on "was"
ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:40:14Z
idk about now, + unreal engine is way more popular tho
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:40:15Z
and i hate epic
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Iza
i have thousands of hours on one of their games, i dont have too good experiences with the engine
ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:40:22Z
which games
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Iza 2023-05-02 18:40:25Z
ue5 is on top
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ReiTW
which games
Iza 2023-05-02 18:40:31Z
hunt showdown
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:40:33Z
one game that is surprisingly amazing is Hunt showdown lol
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:40:39Z
bevy will soon be on top
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:40:42Z
lmao
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the sound quality on hunt damn
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Ryozuki
bevy will soon be on top
Ewan 2023-05-02 18:41:04Z
hopeful
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Ryozuki
bevy will soon be on top
Jupstar ✪ 2023-05-02 18:41:09Z
biggest problem with OSS projects is, that they want to target big audience
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UE5 says 4090 only and then its set xD
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:41:27Z
godot still isn't even taken seriously by most non-indie devs
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:41:28Z
xd
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:41:30Z
@Ryozuki I didn't check actually but how do you create your scenes on bevy, there's no UI for that
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Ewan
godot still isn't even taken seriously by most non-indie devs
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:41:40Z
its just that hard to break through the industry
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:41:43Z
yeah
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ReiTW
@Ryozuki I didn't check actually but how do you create your scenes on bevy, there's no UI for that
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:42:01Z
yeah for now its all code
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a editor is on the roadmap
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but no other engine has the ecs bevy has
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and rust
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:42:46Z
how types work for ecs in rust (edited)
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Ewan
godot still isn't even taken seriously by most non-indie devs
ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:42:56Z
tbh I'd love to learn UE5 but it's damn complex
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:42:57Z
https://docs.rs/bevy_ecs/latest/bevy_ecs/
bevy_ecs - Rust
Bevy ECS
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the sound quality on hunt damn
Iza 2023-05-02 18:43:03Z
the game in itself is absolutely great, but when you've become such an enthusiast about the game, you start to see really all the flaws
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:43:03Z
when I see godot it's so simple to get your hands on
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:43:33Z
use bevy_ecs::prelude::*; #[derive(Component)] struct Position { x: f32, y: f32 } #[derive(Component)] struct Velocity { x: f32, y: f32 } // This system moves each entity with a Position and Velocity component fn movement(mut query: Query<(&mut Position, &Velocity)>) { for (mut position, velocity) in &mut query { position.x += velocity.x; position.y += velocity.y; } } fn main() { // Create a new empty World to hold our Entities and Components let mut world = World::new(); // Spawn an entity with Position and Velocity components world.spawn(( Position { x: 0.0, y: 0.0 }, Velocity { x: 1.0, y: 0.0 }, )); // Create a new Schedule, which defines an execution strategy for Systems let mut schedule = Schedule::default(); // Add our system to the schedule schedule.add_system(movement); // Run the schedule once. If your app has a "loop", you would run this once per loop schedule.run(&mut world); }
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this is a very basic example
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Ryozuki
https://docs.rs/bevy_ecs/latest/bevy_ecs/
ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:44:02Z
ecs & im UI, I've read an article about warp rs talking about why it is so hard to make UI apps
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:44:12Z
rust ui sucks
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:44:18Z
fn system(query: Query<&Position, (With<Player>, Without<Alive>)>) { for position in &query { } }
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:44:27Z
https://www.warp.dev/blog/why-is-building-a-ui-in-rust-so-hard
Why is building a UI in Rust so hard?
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:44:28Z
you have some system libs and druid and i'm not aware of anything else
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that's not webshit
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:44:38Z
UI is smth nobody gets right
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:44:42Z
Qt gets it right
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:44:43Z
even at the current UI frameworks for other langs
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nah
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lot of ppl shit on qt too
18:44
its just widely accepted
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:44:52Z
Qt is the best
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:44:54Z
so it gets a pass
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lmao
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:45:12Z
Qt goated
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Ryozuki
lot of ppl shit on qt too
ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:45:25Z
always heard that Qt is a ton of garbage
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:45:33Z
the best is clearly Tk
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it comes with python
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:45:36Z
Noooooo
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:45:40Z
KEKL
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:45:48Z
Qt build system is the worst thing about it
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the framework is fabulous
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Voxel 2023-05-02 18:45:55Z
im a Qt
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:45:55Z
what do firefox uses ?
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ReiTW
always heard that Qt is a ton of garbage
Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:45:58Z
every UI is ton of garbage
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:45:58Z
custom
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:46:05Z
because its impossible to get right
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:46:28Z
debatable
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:47:21Z
https://github.com/iced-rs/iced
GitHub - iced-rs/iced: A cross-platform GUI library for Rust, inspi...
A cross-platform GUI library for Rust, inspired by Elm - GitHub - iced-rs/iced: A cross-platform GUI library for Rust, inspired by Elm
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https://www.areweguiyet.com/
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xd
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honestly
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the world maybe should just be GTK
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:48:12Z
https://youtu.be/VJu8ervRQzE?t=387 just listen to that sound quality damn
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:48:29Z
GTK is good
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headache in C
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Ryozuki 2023-05-02 18:48:42Z
gtk has bindings in every possible lang
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Ewan 2023-05-02 18:48:44Z
yeah
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that's why it's epic
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i have heard good things about vala
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Ryozuki
gtk has bindings in every possible lang
ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:49:09Z
does it have for scratch
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Kaya 2023-05-02 18:49:11Z
hello is there a method I can do proxy and vpn or cheat protection for a specific server, or is there a method that is ready
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ReiTW 2023-05-02 18:49:12Z
if not it's not good
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ReiTW
does it have for scratch
Ewan 2023-05-02 18:49:25Z
closest u get is wasm
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Yes. My point was more that it is too hard to combine cpu and GPU code in one language as if none of these two existed
Chairn 2023-05-02 18:54:51Z
the problem is that most language such as C or Rust use a sequential paradigm, hence parallelisation is tricky from these languages
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Ryozuki
https://github.com/iced-rs/iced
Ewan 2023-05-02 18:59:04Z
the death of native UI makes me sad
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one look for all platforms 👎
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unless you are an established app with a very strong brand & design it doesn't work
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it just ends up looking like Shiet
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though this sort of GUI approach sucks anyway. for a product with a real budget that doesn't want to rely on web tech I think decoupling app logic from interface is key. just make the best native platform-specific frontend you can
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