DDraceNetwork - developer

07:18

bra github be like

07:19

"i see fix #137 so ima close the issue"

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/137

stfu bot

ChillerDragonballTroll

07:25

!ping

pong

Yo print driven debug developers!

08:00

you prefer dbg_msgs everywhere over actual debugger tooling?

08:00

but you ended up putting 100 dbg msgs in your tick method so the log is spammed with unchanged values?

08:00

you wrote 100 lines to print just to figure out you forgot to recompile?

08:00

then buy the chiler debug macro now

08:00

08:01

just say DBG_II(yourvar1, yourvar2) and it will generate a nice print message which only prints if the variables updated

08:01

pre order at shop.zillyhuhn.com now

If u want debug messages everywhere use a verbose flag

08:46

Generally I'd say it depends. Sometimes log driven debugging is defs easier

08:47

Just gotta be careful to not to spam so much that u can't find the real bugs anymore xd

08:47

If bug is easy to reproduce, debugger is probably easier

09:03

I officially did nothing today

09:04

vacation starts tomorrow tho (edited)

scrumplex: when build polytw?

09:13

i need to organize all my fake identities and bot clients and keep it seperate

09:13

:justatest:

09:14

i mean during development i just yeet in a dbg to verify the variable content is what i expected @Jupstar ✪

09:14

if thats in a loop it spamms out the same value 100 times and log is full

09:14

my macro removes the effort of writing the format string and it ensures repeated values are not printed

09:16

also hi heinrich pls no ban this was a joke .-.

09:16

fstd: did you get hacked?

Chillerdragores omg amazing

anyone know a good hack to release mouse in ddnet client?

09:32

i currently use opening console but that then blocks the view

In kde i have one. But no idea for gnome

xd

09:32

wot kde pro?

09:32

how in kde

Can u search logs?

yes

what i usually do is pressing meta key + d, which is a KDE script to minimize all windows and frees the mouse

09:33

From there

09:33

U have to activate it in kde tho

https://github.com/TeeworldsDB/irclogs/blob/2754e3032ca7ab6f7754ba715501ae2a85f0ed67/ddnet/2023-02-25.log#L83

irclogs/2023-02-25.log at 2754e3032ca7ab6f7754ba715501ae2a85f0ed67 ...

Mirror of https://ddnet.tw/irclogs/. Contribute to TeeworldsDB/irclogs development by creating an account on GitHub.

ChillerDragon

i currently use opening console but that then blocks the view

Chat, console, esc, spec, dummy switch

caht doesnt work

09:34

spec doesnt work either

09:35

console blocks view

09:35

dummy switch?

09:35

i dont mean stuck inputs

09:35

but release mode so i can get out of da window

09:35

wait jopsti but u minimize

09:36

thats not an option for me i use the client as camera

Isnt that like the same, you can change windows without loosing controls state

but i can not get my mouse out of the window

09:36

oh yea and i do not want to tab out :D

09:36

just mouse ou

09:37

guess ill have to rls the mouse from sdl xd

Oh you mean that release mode, ok, now i got it

yes

Well, console and esc works, doesn't know any other ways

esc doesnt work for me

It's stupid that no os does this anyway

does what

We should listen for debugger signal

09:41

And release mouse

?

!

09:42

Did I bait u to use matrix BCS u thought I was answering something?

nope

09:43

i just ask u

Too bad XD Well I don't understand ur problem maybe. My brain is not active today

dw i fix it with code like real haxor

09:52

https://tube.zillyhuhn.com/video.php?t=superior_mouse_mode.mp4&u=chiller

09:52

i want this and i have it now so all good :)

I don't understand what's different than normal client but gg

you can not leave the window with your mouse in the normal client

Switching between two instances I'd use alt tab

yes

09:55

but i dont wanna switch xd

09:56

i wanna use it like a normal window that i can click out of and move around and click in etc

09:56

im a mouse person xd

I see

idk how to keyboard shortcut

Yeah obv not working. F1 u can release mouse

but then i cant see shit

09:57

i want 10 clients on my 7 monitors and click around to stalk

Yeah yeah

09:57

Just do ur way

09:57

Easier

i want starting the client to feel like starting a browser you know?

what are you ChillerDragon?

i hooman

09:58

i swear

liar (edited)

no proof

09:59

as a language model i can not lie

are you sure

yes

how can you be sure

i can do all the hooman things

what is with feelings

yes

how does love feel

like fruits

genius

chiller is a bash loving ai

who developed ChillerDragon

._.

10:02

i hooman!

10:03

why you say every time hooman and not human

Homunculus

2

oki

i developed chiller

10:06

with rust

10:06

and some sprinkle of bash

xd

10:06

senpaii ryo UwU

sensei*

It is a very good AI that you developed

thanks

10:07

its cuz i made it in rust

sry don't really know how rust works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPk-fyP9MFM

Jfarr

Ultimate Beginner's Guide - How To Get Started In 2022 | Rust Tutorial

XD

10:09

I think that is the rong Rust Chillerdragon

10:11

Does the Ai continue to develop himself?

when rename #deveoper to #off-topic2 ?2~

I never knew Chiller was AI, wtf

1

10:13

Good job Ryo

Who guarantees me that ChillerDragonballTroll isn't the genius and ryo is in fact an ai that always advertised rust?

Chillerdragon writes to fast to be human and sometimes the answers are...weird or not right

!beep

!help

10:19

!ping

omg the ratelimits

10:19

banned me again?

It's broken xd

cant join ffs

Sad

bad bot

10:43

it wouldn't be too wild if chiller just replaced himself with a bot tho (edited)

!beep

bop

ez ban expired

btw where were you chiller

munich germany?

irc or some other platform

10:43

lol

xd

10:43

irc

ic

10:44

i hate that both you and your bot have the same default avatar on discord and both starts with chiller

10:44

it is quite confusing to look at when you call your bot

yea same for you matrix and discord users all the same to me

oof

10:45

can irc bot generate colored avatars with hash of names so at least make each user a bit different

matrix dragon

irc dragon

10:46

your image gallary 404ed me

10:47

it gets better xd

10:47

why does it say ChillerDragon for u?

wdym

xd

10:47

ffs ur name is ChillerDragon

10:47

must be a bug

stop trol me!

or maybe the discord dragon just showed up

watfak

10:48

!ping

pong

fred is here too

u def trol me

10:48

that is a serious offense

10:49

!ping

pong

good bot

thanks

10:49

years in the making

10:49

using unreal engine 3

it looks unreal too

10:50

btw

10:50

nice image bro

10:50

omg all my images do not show up!?

10:50

why wtf

10:50

since when

they probably works fine for others

china?

i'm at my companie's network

!ping

pong

!pig

pog

i'm at work*

xd

we have access to services behind walls at work but maybe self hosted stuff are filtered

10:51

but i can open some of your pictures in my browser tho

10:52

but only some of them, the first one 404ed

be careful my site is virus

10:52

oh cool

yes i deleted that

now it shows up in discord

10:52

weird

i guess i can not delete on discord

they cached it

Happy holidays bra

even if i self host they cache

10:53

spycord

what backend are u using for images

U enjoying it Freddie?

crapshot

i want one for my nas

its from the crools suite

10:53

written in bash

holidays?

10:53

i'm still at work tho

Unlucky

https://github.com/ChillerDragon/crools/blob/master/crapshot

crools/crapshot at master · ChillerDragon/crools

Crap tools. Don't even bother looking. Contribute to ChillerDragon/crools development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:54

i added a gnome keybinding for the hotkey

10:54

then it calls miam screenshot tol

too adavanced for me

and uses scp to upload in my web dir

10:54

maim

10:54

wtf this tools name is literaly a typo

My colleague has a pretty cool screenshot too (on windows) in which he can crop a screenshot and pin it on the top

10:55

no idea what he was using

10:55

and i'm too awkward to ask

mac is best

10:55

change my mind

big mac is pretty good

xd

but they changed the formula or something

10:55

it was pretty gross now

10:55

at least in china

10:56

it feels like they doubled their sauce or something

10:56

too bad burger king has better big mac than the big M now

10:59

technically i can go home now

10:59

but I'm too tired to even stand up from my desk

10:59

i need a nap lol

11:00

meanwhile over the teeworlds discord some quality conversation is happening

11:00

C2

11:01

English

ChillerDragon do you know ChatGPT (edited)

12:20

?

12:20

ChillerDragon?

Joel.

ChillerDragon do you know ChatGPT (edited)

GBT?

sry

GranBlue fanTasy

anyways thats like asking a baby if they know what cocomelon is (edited)

12:29

who doesnt know what gpt is

but why does Chillerdragon didn't answer? (edited)

because he has a life

12:32

i dunno

hey @marmare_314, I'd like to talk to you about https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6440, I'd like to see something like that merged

12:37

(if you do answer, ping or DM me so I don't miss it)

#6440

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6440

Improve envelope editor by Marmare314 · Pull Request #6440 · ddnet/...

See #6045. Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options Written a unit test (especially b...

oh this

rage closed

it sux

13:00

i like how you can drag the envelope box size tho

what sucks?

oddly intimidating

13:06

i think ravie said it perfectly here https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6440#issuecomment-1493383109

Improve envelope editor by Marmare314 · Pull Request #6440 · ddnet/...

See #6045. Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options Written a unit test (especially b...

I see someone having a plan on how to improve the editor

13:08

I'd like to encourage that

13:12

on the particulars of this PR: I think this makes browsing the envelopes much quicker (+/- button seems bad). making the envelope editor resizable seems entirely obvious

resizing is the one good thing about it, the browser part is just really strange and not good

I guess we can agree that the current method isn't good?

I prefer the current +- over moving them away to some random other place

13:18

ideally there would be something like a dropdown with a scroll bar where the +- is

13:18

but there's also no point in adding that to the current envelope editor imo

it seems relatively clear to me that +/- for selecting something from a list is really bad UI

13:19

if we can't agree on that, I guess we can't agree on how to design the editor ^^

it's not great but it's better than having the list in some totally unrelated other part of the ui

it's not great

glad we agree

13:20

I'm not sure where to best put it

Ravie

ideally there would be something like a dropdown with a scroll bar where the +- is

^

sounds good

13:21

(but that's not what I got from the comments in the PR, that's why I wanted to communicate with marmare314 again)

there are other parts of the editor that need work much more than envelopes tho

that's okay. it's nice that we get someone who wants to improve something

13:23

I'm happy. and if we're a good fit, maybe we get another contributor that might eventually also tackle the other problems you see in the editor

change doesn't necessarily mean improve

please explain how this relates to the situation or the PR

13:24

causation does not imply correlation

13:24

(yes, this way around)

I wrote in the pr why I think the change is not an improvement

13:25

I think different ways to do it that would be an improvement are not really on topic for the pr

I think we agreed that changing +/- to some dropdown might be an improvement? did you say that it's not an improvement because of something else as well?

it would be an improvement, but that's not what the pr does

correct

13:28

in communication, I think it'd be better to give constructive proposals how the PR can be improved rather than rejecting it entirely

13:28

I think this will lead to more devs in the long term

true but I think proposing to do it completely differently means the pr gets rejected anyway

not necessarily, the PR can me adapted

13:29

PRs can be changed before they get accepted/rejected

yeah dropdown list is best imo

Ravie

it would be an improvement, but that's not what the pr does

I just want to point out that it was a draft pr

(I think marmare_314 wanted to imply that this wasn't supposed to be the final state of the PR)

heinrich5991

in communication, I think it'd be better to give constructive proposals how the PR can be improved rather than rejecting it entirely

I agree with this. Its a bit frustrating to have your ideas get stomped into the ground completely I get that this is quite a big project with many different opinions on design, but still its not nice to get that kind of feedback

heinrich5991

hey @marmare_314, I'd like to talk to you about https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6440, I'd like to see something like that merged

Before anything with draggable buttons can be done https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6529 needs to be fixed btw

ah

marmare_314

Before anything with draggable buttons can be done https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6529 needs to be fixed btw

Do you want to investigate this further and find a fix or workaround? I couldn't reproduce the issue yet. Would be nice if this was fixed before the next release in ~2 weeks

heinrich5991

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6523 Remove absolute includes from the rust bridge

marmare_314

I agree with this. Its a bit frustrating to have your ideas get stomped into the ground completely I get that this is quite a big project with many different opinions on design, but still its not nice to get that kind of feedback

Yeah, also the reason I haven't touched the code in a while. People are extremely nasty about changes to the nostalgic game

Imagine having 60 envelopes with that new system

13:46

That would be painful

13:46

The left side is already messy enough

Why? It would show a popup menu with a maximum height of 10-15 entries and then scroll for the rest

Pipou

Imagine having 60 envelopes with that new system

please read the chat

13:47

it was about constructive criticism instead of dismissing the ideas outright

I was refering to that github page

Robyt3

Why? It would show a popup menu with a maximum height of 10-15 entries and then scroll for the rest

first you have to scroll down all the layers to get to it, either that or compromise precious space for layers

Learath2

Yeah, also the reason I haven't touched the code in a while. People are extremely nasty about changes to the nostalgic game

u sure its that or just lazy/life

@Learath2 what do you think about https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6493 ? it's true that this adds quite some additional handling in the normal code paths. how would we do this?

Allow client to start without network, show network error popup by ...

When the network cannot be initialized show error popup when client launches instead of closing client. Add necessary checks to prevent crashes with uninitialized network client. Closes #6482. Che...

Robyt3

Do you want to investigate this further and find a fix or workaround? I couldn't reproduce the issue yet. Would be nice if this was fixed before the next release in ~2 weeks

What I outlined in the issue is pretty much all I have on this, I can implement that and hope that it works, but I cant check

Pipou

I was refering to that github page

the problem was that we just had a chat about how this is not-so-constructive feedback. you were apparently unaware of that discussion, sorry

Ravie

first you have to scroll down all the layers to get to it, either that or compromise precious space for layers

The envelope list would only be shown when the envelope editor is open, or when a different button is pressed

showing/hiding some other menu along with envelope editor is messy too

Ryozuki

u sure its that or just lazy/life

I mean I do get an hour or so free sometimes, but I just do something else instead because if I go for the editor rewrite I've been thinking of I know it'll be so much friction

it should just stay inside the envelope editor

@Learath2 this morning i started implementing a postgresql backend for the database and after 2 hours i stopped cuz i felt lazy

Ryozuki

@Learath2 this morning i started implementing a postgresql backend for the database and after 2 hours i stopped cuz i felt lazy

deen would be delighted

heinrich5991

it was about constructive criticism instead of dismissing the ideas outright

When did I dismiss it ? It isn't convenient as it is proposed

heinrich5991

deen would be delighted

ye ill probs continue, just need to recover xD

Pipou

When did I dismiss it ? It isn't convenient as it is proposed

the problem is that you say "this idea is bad", and don't try to instead improve the idea

saying exactly what about the idea is bad is just as good as saying how to do it better

no

13:54

you saw marmare_314's message above

I didn't say it's bad, l said it would be painful, not very efficient and practical

they explicitly said that the communication in the PR was not good

Pipou

I didn't say it's bad, l said it would be painful, not very efficient and practical

the problem is that you say "this idea is painful, not very efficient and practical", and don't try to instead improve the idea

13:55

("bad" was supposed to be a placeholder)

Yes because I would rather keep it as it is than change it

13:56

I dont have a better system to suggest that the current one

you do not think that the current method of selecting envelopes is quite obviously suboptimal?

13:56

then say something along those lines

13:57

e.g. "I don't think this improves anything, but I can't think of a better method either, currently"

It is, unfortunately but I don't know enough about UI to give the perfect solution

13:57

I know ravie already had great ideas in the past when he showed me some prototype of his

cool, then let's not discourage new contributors because they might, in the end, implement something like that (edited)

what abt press editor button opens up a popup window

13:59

wasnt someone working on popup windows before

hi

I can't wait then

well popup windows already exist

14:01

altho they are not rly "modular"

14:01

they are like hardcoded and meh

14:01

(popup windows being like the warning ppl used to get for wrong skins)

We also have the small popups which are used everywhere in the editor already

maybe a way to make floating windows

14:02

and let mappers organize the editor to their liking

14:02

like in egui

14:02

https://www.egui.rs/#demo

Robyt3

We also have the small popups which are used everywhere in the editor already

ye i made those hehe

14:03

but they are not windows like he means i think

Ryozuki

https://www.egui.rs/#demo

does not respect my hidpi monitor

what does that mean

the text is blurry, probably using 4 pixels to render one pixel

hmm well idk, maybe something about canvas rendering in web

Ryozuki

hmm well idk, maybe something about canvas rendering in web

sorry, was my fault

14:05

it works

I also believe people should consult Ravie when they plan on adding features to the editor or when they plan on updating the existing ones (edited)

14:05

So we don't end up adding features that are broken or pointless (edited)

14:06

(example : the custom zoom feature)

generally, the way to get feedback is via github; people suggest changes and we review them

14:09

I don't know about the custom zoom feature, can you explain what happened there?

In short, the custom zoom broke some maps and it's awkward in general

14:11

It even makes it more difficult to understand for the average designer

Hey guys, I'm trying to work on merging from vanilla to DDNET but this is my first time working on games / server ( I got a degree in dev overall ). If anyone could spare few minutes to explain to me how to start / understand overall code. Thank you

(edited)

Pipou

In short, the custom zoom broke some maps and it's awkward in general

Ravie could tell you more about it, he fought against it already

14:12

All I know is that one of my maps (unreleased) is broken since then

I see

who destroyed ctrl+f in server browser

Rating

Hey guys, I'm trying to work on merging from vanilla to DDNET but this is my first time working on games / server ( I got a degree in dev overall ). If anyone could spare few minutes to explain to me how to start / understand overall code. Thank you

(edited)

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Development

Development

14:17

https://edgarluque.com/blog/intro-to-ddnet/

An intro to the DDraceNetwork game source code

An introduction to the ddnet source code.

14:17

self plug

14:18

feel free to sponsor my work at github MoneySmirk

1

Lemme understand it first then I will ❤️

(

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marmare_314

I agree with this. Its a bit frustrating to have your ideas get stomped into the ground completely I get that this is quite a big project with many different opinions on design, but still its not nice to get that kind of feedback

i kinda know that feel i made the infamous sitting PR

I hope it'll be a good experience not stuck in a single ; for days

Rating

Lemme understand it first then I will ❤️

if u know c++, its a matter of time and looking at code

Ryozuki

if u know c++, its a matter of time and looking at code

I used C C# C++ but been a while

14:19

last ones I used are flatter / ionic mostly mobile

Voxel

i kinda know that feel i made the infamous sitting PR

Sitting is great

yeah but everyone else hates it

but yeah the truth is its hard to get into it, not many resources

Jupstar ✪

who destroyed ctrl+f in server browser

@Robyt3 the IME change?

Voxel

yeah but everyone else hates it

I believe a very vocal minority dislikes it, everyone I know prefers it

oka

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6537 CTRL+F not working anymore in multiple places

E.g. Settings -> Tee Server browser

14:30

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6538 Alignment UI x buttons

new is not aligned properly in the y achsis !image old as comparision: !image

@Jupstar ✪ quizz time! which web designers are happy to find bugs?

those who seek for themselves

spiders

14:33

:trollface:

nice one

Voxel

it sux

L

but u didnt even get mine

14:34

bcs u need 300IQ

just casual front end insult

14:34

no iq needed

nice feature but list should be "hide-able" idk

xD

Voxel

i kinda know that feel i made the infamous sitting PR

yeah i still hate it xd

14:37

btw seems Patiga would make same animations tees have ingame so he will make literally animkey editor for tw in rust

Voxel

i kinda know that feel i made the infamous sitting PR

when i made telegun some ppl were angry too xd

14:38

also when i made the /spec ghost tee

gerdoe

btw seems Patiga would make same animations tees have ingame so he will make literally animkey editor for tw in rust

i wanna make procedrial animations for tees, sorta like how rain world does it where the animation looks more fluid only in like another client though, or just a demo renderer

Ryozuki

also when i made the /spec ghost tee

The outline? Why would anyone complain about that thonk

Ryozuki

also when i made the /spec ghost tee

lol? no one was afair

Grrr! The game's better!

gerdoe

lol? no one was afair

some ppl yes

14:43

i think konsti

ofc

afkoksti

Voxel

i wanna make procedrial animations for tees, sorta like how rain world does it where the animation looks more fluid only in like another client though, or just a demo renderer

its like full rework of skin system isn't it

14:46

also about editor "problem"

14:46

isn't it a time to separate modules?

14:46

like making editor standalone

14:47

and client

14:47

and server

14:47

and engine

koksti

but anyway source isn't prepared enough xd

!ping

pong

!pig

pog

!bing

14:50

bong

ok ill add

!pig

gerdoe

isn't it a time to separate modules?

wouldnt that be too complicated

bot down for maintenance

gerdoe

its like full rework of skin system isn't it

n..no?

Pipou

In short, the custom zoom broke some maps and it's awkward in general

could you please elaborate on that in this issue https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6196 ?

!bing

bong

Voxel

wouldnt that be too complicated

the same thing actually but with possibility of making custom client/server/editor without need of merging whole stuff

xd

gerdoe

btw seems Patiga would make same animations tees have ingame so he will make literally animkey editor for tw in rust

mine's not in rust so I guess it's not cool feelsbadman

downloading default.mp4 from discord cdn ..

like changes appeared originally in ddnet-server and ddnet-engine -> you are making custom editor but there's no need to merge ddnet-server stuff

gerdoe

btw seems Patiga would make same animations tees have ingame so he will make literally animkey editor for tw in rust

I actually already finished the animation rendering, I wouldn't call it an editor tho ^^

Ravie

mine's not in rust so I guess it's not cool feelsbadman

Ravie

mine's not in rust so I guess it's not cool feelsbadman

i think its cool! <3

Patiga

could you please elaborate on that in this issue https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6196 ?

Hey Patiga, I'll try to, or I'll just send the map later

Patiga

I actually already finished the animation rendering, I wouldn't call it an editor tho ^^

waiting for sources xd

new github ui trash now noting holding me there

14:54

ryo u got some free git instances running i can use to upload 100gb of repos? ima ditch ms

gerdoe

waiting for sources xd

I'm not sure what you are expecting, so please relax your expectations. its literally just that the keyframes are stored in constants and I have a function for sampling

Patiga

I'm not sure what you are expecting, so please relax your expectations. its literally just that the keyframes are stored in constants and I have a function for sampling

14:55

anyway good job xd

well I'm just trying to reimplement the rendering, no fancy editor stuff :d

14:57

tadaa, very amazing code https://gitlab.com/Patiga/twgpu/-/blob/7a3df5d7e1c0904d176851ade4237d83a7b64e57/twgpu/src/tee/animation.rs#L57

14:57

ignore the comment about binary search

what even is gitlab

14:58

isnt that just paid github

14:58

or is it not

no ^^

its actually more free in a sense

weird

but yea they have similar pricing models like github

but if you want you can host your own gitlab instance, since its open source, or at least mostly(?)

(mathematics, computing) To interpolate linearly.

15:00

interesting

sample

or which word is it?

@Patiga so you're gonna implement tw physics and have something like a replay bot but for rendering? (edited)

sus

I'm writing a plain renderer, that hopefully can be used for demos as well as a client etc. Zwelf is writing the physics in Rust, which I'll also need at some point for rendering

epic duo

and ofc heinrich5991 has tons of other stuff already, which is awesome

epic trio

2

I hard coded some values so that the tee's speed matches feet movement justatest

rn for example I use the demo crate from libtw2 which depends on a lot of other teeworlds algorithms also implemented in libtw2

Patiga

sample

or which word is it?

lerp

1

the strength of that L is unmatched

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6539 Fix Ctrl+F not activating search box in browser and tee settings

Closes #6537.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/...

!add_ping_pong jup Jupstar ✪

15:33

!jup

Jupstar ✪

finally i dont have to copy the fakin name anymore

15:33

!add_ping_pong jop @Jupstar ✪

15:33

!jop

@Jupstar ✪

!jup

Jupstar ✪

!jup !jop !jap

Jupstar ✪

no spam or ban!

!jap

!add_ping_pong jap @Jupstar ✪

15:35

xd

!add_ping_pong jap

only papa chiler can pinger.

xd

15:36

better bot than gpt

ikr

15:36

!beep

bop

$drake can i use?

15:37

@zwelf when bridge other channels than developer?

chiller

15:38

do this

#questions #bugs

!add_ping_pong !add_ping_pong !add_ping_pong

only papa chiler can pinger.

then i dont need discord anymore heehe

!add_ping_pong !add_ping_pong !add_ping_pong

and become sentient

!add_ping_pong now what?

15:38

!now

what?

xd

!add_ping_pong sd

only papa chiler can pinger.

!add_ping_pong !add_ping_pong

only papa chiler can pinger.

meh

15:39

!add_ping_pong !jop

only papa chiler can pinger.

!add_ping_pong

only papa chiler can pinger.

!add_ping_pong !jop !jup

only papa chiler can pinger.

wowo stop hax me

huhuhu didnt work

chiller

15:39

add a pipe python command

ryo

!python 2+2

i was thinking about it

15:40

but then scared af xd

pyson

15:40

xD

u guys gonna hax me?

allow bash scripts xD

!add_ping_pong python 4

15:40

!python 2+2

4

ez

troll

15:40

!python 2+3

!python [o.fork() for (o,i) in [(import('os'), import('itertools'))] for x in i.repeat(0)]

4

15:41

4

xd

oh

see troll xd

u did it

15:41

im sorry

axaxaxax

i thought u didnt add a bot lmao

15:41

!python 2+2

4

!python !100

4

troll

xd

!python fair_random_number()

4

good

lgtm

15:47

https://gitlab.com/help

Help · GitLab

GitLab.com

15:47

imagine using pre release in production

15:47

madlads

!add_ping_pong Souly souli

only papa chiler can pinger.

!add_ping_pong Souly souli

googoo gaga

!Souly

souli

!add_ping_pong Learath2 lerato

15:48

!add_ping_pong Robyt3 robster

alias

!add_ping_pong Ryozuki ryo

15:48

!add_ping_pong jao nob

!python 9+10

4

quiqq maffs

!python what is the best number

4

bors[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

11cb72b Fix Ctrl+F not activating search box in browser and tee settings - Robyt3 10567cb Merge #6539 - bors[bot]

15:49

bors[bot]

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6537 CTRL+F not working anymore in multiple places

15:49

bors[bot]

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6539 Fix Ctrl+F not activating search box in browser and tee settings

daily python trivia

15:50

!python [] + [] + [] + []

4

!python trivia

4

now do !rust and it pings ryozuki

!add_ping_pong rust @Ryozuki

4

acqwerty to ping abcqwerty

stop spam ima get banned

4

ircbanned chiller

15:51

return to monke

15:51

return to discord

!quiz

15:59

chillerdragores: feature request

yes also thought about it

16:01

but im working on a more tw relevant feature rn ill add a issue for quiz

back when zcatch laser was a thing, there was a tw bot that also did quiz and since u are often in spec in zcatch it was actually cool

16:01

i miss it

my daily trivias are inspired by meskalins tw chat bot

16:02

meskulin <3

16:05

so far i have not deployed a single feature without bugs

16:05

wish me luck xd

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6540 Fix inconsistent client state after disconnecting with network error

The Disconnect function did not fully clear all server data, because the client state was already set to offline manually before the function is called. This was causing inconsistent behavior when connecting to another server after being disconnected. For example, the client could get stuck at "getting game info" when connecting the next time.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly rel...

!p 04 0a 00 cf 2e de 1d 04

as ryo always quotes, every code line is another bug

16:07

or smth like that

ffs

16:07

!p a

16:07

how fakin slow is my raspi xd

16:07

bra no error

where did u even get it, they so expensive rn xd

!p 04 0a 00 cf 2e de 1d 04

<class: 'TwPacket'>: {'version': '0.7', 'payload_raw': bytearray(b'\x04'), 'payload_decompressed': bytearray(b'\x04'), 'header': <class: 'PacketHeader'>, 'messages': [<class: 'CtrlClose'>]}

yay

16:09

!p 04 0a 00 cf 2e de 1d 01

<class: 'TwPacket'>: {'version': '0.7', 'payload_raw': bytearray(b'\x01'), 'payload_decompressed': bytearray(b'\x01'), 'header': <class: 'PacketHeader'>, 'messages': [<class: 'CtrlConnect'>]}

huge troll

not even trol

16:09

it actually works xd

soon we bridge all trafic over discord

16:09

or irc

!packet 02 7e 01 48 1f 93 d7 40 10 0a 80 01 6f 70 74 69 6f 6e 00 74 65 73 74 00 00 00

<class: 'TwPacket'>: {'version': '0.7', 'payload_raw': bytearray(b'@\x10\n\x80\x01option\x00test\x00\x00\x00'), 'payload_decompressed': bytearray(b'@\x10\n\x80\x01option\x00test\x00\x00\x00'), 'header': <class: 'PacketHeader'>, 'messages': [<class: 'MsgClCallVote'>]}

!p 000e0244ac9b27410d0d820100677265656e73776172640064756f646f6e6e7900007374616e64617264007374616e64617264007374616e646172640001010000000080fcaf05eb83d00a80fe0780fe0780fe0780fe0700040fbc3e0e

16:20

a

16:20

!p 000e0244ac9b27410d0d820100677265656e73776172640064756f646f6e6e7900007374616e64617264007374616e64617264007374616e646172640001010000000080fcaf05eb83d00a80fe0780fe0780fe0780fe0700040fbc3e0e

```<class: 'TwPacket'>: {'version': '0.7', 'payload_raw': bytearray(b'A\r\r\x82\x01\x00greensward\x00duodonny\x00\x00standard\x00standard\x00standard\x00\x01\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x80\xfc\xaf\x05\xeb\x83\xd0\n\x80\xfe\x07\x80\xfe\x07\x80\xfe\x07\x80\xfe\x07\x00\x04\x0f\xbc>\x0e'), 'payload_decompressed':

lmao it got banned xd

who even bans it

16:20

irc?

heinrich

16:21

nah idk maybe quakenet

boring

16:21

self host pls

oh yes can i has irc bridge to selfhosted

!p 000e0244ac9b27410d0d820100677265656e73776172640064756f646f6e6e7900007374616e64617264007374616e64617264007374616e646172640001010000000080fcaf05eb83d00a80fe0780fe0780fe0780fe0700040fbc3e0e

0.7

16:38

<class: 'PacketHeader'>: {'flags': <class: 'PacketFlags7'>, 'ack': 14, 'token': bytearray(b"D\xac\x9b\'"), 'num_chunks': 2}

16:38

<class: 'MsgSvSkinChange'>: {'message_name': 'sv_skin_change', 'system_message': False, 'client_id': 0, 'skin_part_names': ['greensward', 'duodonny', '', 'standard', 'standard', 'standard'], 'use_custom_colors': [True, True, False, False, False, False], 'skin_part_colors': [5635840, -11141356, 65408, 65408, 65408, 65408], 'header': <class: 'ChunkHeader'>}

16:38

<class: 'MsgSnapEmpty'>: {'message_name': 'snap_empty', 'system_message': True, 'tick': 4028, 'delta_tick': 14, 'header': <class: 'ChunkHeader'>}

bors[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

aa95f61 Fix inconsistent client state after disconnecting with network error - Robyt3 8375fd8 Merge #6540 - bors[bot]

16:46

bors[bot]

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6540 Fix inconsistent client state after disconnecting with network error

@Jupstar ✪ got a noctua monster

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ got a noctua monster

if u now get above 70° u did smth wrong

16:50

xd

6 pipes

such a monster of a cooler

on each side

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ got a noctua monster

16:51

but be quiet still looks a bit bigger xD

hopiun

i should switch to water cooling some day

16:51

just for the flex

Jupstar ✪

if u now get above 70° u did smth wrong

ill get over 70

17:34

what i read is that this cpu rly tries to hit those temps, squeezing more perf

17:35

so better cooling just results in more perf

17:35

but idk

17:36

and the 5800x is just stupid hot

Ryozuki

ill get over 70

how do u read the temps?

sensors

17:41

also its now getting summer temps here

17:41

i also think my case is simply not that good at airflow xd

mh yeah but seems u are right, they are designed to try to use as much as possible

17:46

ALL IN FOR PERFORMANCE, that's the spirit

kek

17:46

but i also read intel is hotter these days

17:46

xd

17:46

man i havent hada intel cpu in decades

i see intel the whole day

17:47

fat yellow circle in the sky

i dont even know the intel cpu names

17:47

wat

17:47

its normal that intel runs 15 million °C

17:47

using 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000Wh

xd

its funny that intel is the one that is blamed xD

17:48

while nvidia planned to use 600Watt xD

ChillerDragon

omg all my images do not show up!?

they show up normally for me

@Jupstar ✪ so far, gaming stays about 60C, compiling can reach 80

17:50

the 3080 is always like 45-60

17:50

insane cooling

17:51

anyone seen the new beta client for steam?

hot

17:55

they adjusted the logo to look like the windows version

17:55

i liked the lighter one

17:55

c

17:55

:c

17:55

it feels a bit faster

17:55

nice

ChillerDragon

!add_ping_pong jao nob

damn, i feel forgotten

ChillerDragon

!python [] + [] + [] + []

[], + is extend i believe

18:00

good thing that on ~600 messages, most were chillerbot spam

!rust

@Ryozuki

!jup

Jupstar ✪

doesnt tag me :c

!jop

@Jupstar ✪

18:03

!jap

@Jupstar ✪

xd

ez

18:03

ChillerDragon: fix !jup

!c should say, rewrite it in rust

18:04

!cpp too

ez

!windows = use linux

!cpp_is_awesome should autoreply in your name

xd

Ryozuki

!c should say, rewrite it in rust

should say Segmentation fault

!python should wait 10 seconds before answering

4

@Jupstar ✪ here is a cool bot idea, i seen in other projects, make a channel where the user uploads a crashlog, ideally the crashlog contains the commit information inside, so the bot auto resolves the symbols and shows us the stacktrace

18:06

i seen this on discords

yeah, we should simply use a custom drmingw and inject the commit there

we'll soon need a #bridge channel to not spam this channel

We can also compile with -DCOMMIT_HASH=1234 -frecord-gcc-switches and retrieve the hash from the binary

Jupstar ✪

yeah, we should simply use a custom drmingw and inject the commit there

u tell me how to resolve this in detail and i can host a bot

Or just compile release with debug information so we don't need to resolve any symbols

xd

that would be too easy

yeah

lets take the overcomplicated way

we dont do easy engineering here

18:10

but well the end user can be stupid and dont know how to send stacktraces

18:10

well if its a file yes

18:10

xd

but yeah, actually we should just build with debug symbols

18:12

@deen wanna try out for the next RC? ^

18:12

for windows

18:12

40mb more to download not nice, but also not too muhc compared to other games

its for rc anyway

as a start ^^

18:13

later maybe for release too

18:13

but for RC should be cool already

@Jupstar ✪ does windows support split debug info?

gcc supports it

maybe we can add the debug info on steam as a dlc

18:13

xd

how about light debug symbols, with -g1 ?

if drmingw doesnt struggle with it

18:23

but why not full?

g1 allows stacktrace with no other info

18:24

so way lighter than g2 that gives all variables

@Robyt3 does drmingw source code preview even work without the source being available?

Chairn

so way lighter than g2 that gives all variables

well drmingw can literally show the source code

18:24

which is kinda cool

18:24

but probs only with source downloaded

yeah, but then it embeds the source code

we would survive it xd

that's already 10MB

sounds like nothing

18:25

our chinese font wastes like 15MB XD

Jupstar ✪

@Robyt3 does drmingw source code preview even work without the source being available?

I think it can only resolve the line numbers if the source code is not available, e.g. I get this crash log with nightly with symbols, when loading a random invalid map:

DDNet.exe caused an Access Violation at location 00007FF669148DD7 in module DDNet.exe Reading from location 0000000000000059.

AddrPC           Params
00007FF669148DD7 00000184DA8E5220 00000184D9A48730 0000003A667FB5E0  DDNet.exe!CEditor::DoMapEditor+0x187
00007FF66914BF94 00000036D124E26A 0000000000000000 00007FF66945B760  DDNet.exe!CEditor::Render+0xb94  [/home/deen/isos/ddnet/ddnet-source/src/game/editor/editor.cpp @ 6084]
00007FF66914CAB5 6972662220646E65 2022353932646E65 3539326E616C6322  DDNet.exe!CEditor::OnRender+0x125  [/home/deen/isos/ddnet/ddnet-source/src/game/editor/editor.cpp @ 6920]
00007FF669057EFA 0000003A667FF480 0000000000000000 0000000000000011  DDNet.exe!CClient::Run+0x7da  [/home/deen/isos/ddnet/ddnet-source/src/engine/client/client.cpp @ 3321]
00007FF669327EDA 0000000000000001 00000184D81F8C40 00007FF6694A5668  DDNet.exe!main+0xa8a  [/home/deen/isos/ddnet/ddnet-source/src/engine/client/client.cpp @ 4732]
00007FF6690313B1 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000  DDNet.exe!__tmainCRTStartup+0x231  [/build/mingw-w64-crt/src/mingw-w64-v10.0.0/mingw-w64-crt/crt/crtexe.c @ 321]
00007FF6690314C6 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000  DDNet.exe!WinMainCRTStartup+0x16  [/build/mingw-w64-crt/src/mingw-w64-v10.0.0/mingw-w64-crt/crt/crtexe.c @ 176]
00007FFCE2427604 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000  KERNEL32.DLL!BaseThreadInitThunk+0x14
00007FFCE25626A1 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000  ntdll.dll!RtlUserThreadStart+0x21

mhh thats sad

I think wasting 40MB just isn't enough. We should do more. Let's zero pad everything with a couple extra kb

Learath2

I think wasting 40MB just isn't enough. We should do more. Let's zero pad everything with a couple extra kb

bro lets be fair, this isnt wasted

18:30

its actually useful

Oooh, lets also link the entire git history

also 40mb xDDD

18:30

that's nothing

18:30

where are u all living

18:30

in 1996?

18:32

Drive Price Price Per GB Crucial P3 Plus $54.99 $0.05

18:32

5 cents

Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to use it

but if its useful?

18:33

its also not loaded into ram if not used

How is every user having the entire symbol table useful? What for even? It's literally a cop out so we don't have to think as hard

better would be if it downloads it as soon as the crash occurs

18:36

or a bot as ryo suggested, but both would require code change in drmingw

18:36

which is not controlled by us

18:36

that's the motivation behind this

18:36

but

18:36

actually i have an idea

Does drmingw have nowhere you can hook to print a commit hash?

yeah it has

18:37

the name of thefile

Except the filename, no, and the author rejected such an idea

we do have a short git hash in the client?

That does sound annoying. How about using another solution like crashpad?

i think the file name is good enough

Why read crash logs? Just rewrite in rust to fix crashes

18:40

!rust

@Ryozuki

what license drmingw has?

18:42

free software has no limits such as "author rejected such idea"

Xd

We can fork it again and compile our own version, but then we'd have to maintain the fork instead of just using the official release versions

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6541 Add the DDNet git hash and "is steam" to the crash file

@def- what do you think, how hard would it be for the symbols uploaded to the website contain the same git hash in the name, so we could write a script that automatically finds the correct binary and creates a stack trace?

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Conside...

do like chiller, diff-aware changes

18:55

so we have easy merging xd

we actually did compile our own version

18:55

before

18:58

@murpi is the ddnet bot hosted on a linux server?

yes

heresy otherwise

i wonder if its even safe to use external programs outside of python e.g. is addr2line free of vulnerables.. i guess nobody cares in such an app xD

xd

19:00

https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-7225/

CVE-2017-7225 : The find_nearest_line function in addr2line in GNU ...

CVE-2017-7225 : The find_nearest_line function in addr2line in GNU Binutils 2.28 does not handle the case where the main file name and the directory name are both empty, triggering a NULL pointer dereference and an invalid write, and leading to a program crash.

19:00

https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2020-16593

19:00

truly C

i dunno, maybe we can sandbox it?

19:06

@Learath2 what cpu ring magic do i need

Idk, I'd just run it in a vm if it's a concern

so a vm in a vm?

19:07

Maybe docker has a way to sandbox stuff?

ring 0 sounds like a good idea (edited)

i doubt deen likes to use docker on his vm

my vps is bare metal

lets run it there

19:10

and add some credit card information

19:10

so its more fun

https://github.com/gimli-rs/addr2line

GitHub - gimli-rs/addr2line: A cross-platform addr2line clone wri...

A cross-platform addr2line clone written in Rust, using gimli - GitHub - gimli-rs/addr2line: A cross-platform addr2line clone written in Rust, using gimli

good afternoon dev channel

good early night

19:42

!jop

@Jupstar ✪

!ryozuki nice

19:42

!ryo nice

19:42

fak

19:42

!rust

@Ryozuki

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i sometimes say thanks

xd

i don't use it that much

it's the best english speaker, so good ally for nobo like me xdd

@Ryozuki i compiled smth longer now, but 65°C seems max temp

not the best writer but still an interesting read https://www.deadf00d.com/post/how-to-hack-an-esa-experimental-satellite.html

How I hacked an ESA's experimental satellite

Or how to reverse engineer new space implementations & architectures.

22:28

@Ryozuki don't read that, you'll have nightmares of it

Marmare314

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6542 potential fix for #6529

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresss...

chilldragon suck

hey im trying to compile ddnet using cmake on windows and i have two questions, first if the dependencies are included in bundle you dont need them downloaded independently do you? secondly how do you install gtest

i looked everywhere and cannot seem to find help without them throwing visual studio code into the equation