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Between 2023-04-25 00:00:00Z and 2023-04-26 00:00:00Z

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I want the server to record user information, such as level, etc.

for indie dev i highly recommend existing solution (like microsoft's playfab), less effort, not that much more expensive than hosting your own server for the user base you're expecting to have.

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02:25

or if you expect to publish on a single platform (like steam), using the platform's service directly (usually for free) is a good idea too.

TsFreddie

or if you expect to publish on a single platform (like steam), using the platform's service directly (usually for free) is a good idea too.

thanks i will look into it

fred how r u doing

Ok

03:54

I'm waiting for my KFC

Epic

04:01

Haven’t had KFC in a minute

@Robyt3 do you play ddnet? if yes under which name?

woah i never even thought of that

Robyt3 in-game is Robyt3

Catxplosion

rly jopsti?

07:17

but does he play?

07:17

Embedded image

07:17

where did my c++ line numbers go :(

07:17

`` CC=clang CXX=clang++ CXXFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer" CFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer" cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DHEADLESS_CLIENT=ON -DCURSES_CLIENT=ON

07:18

a

07:18

fk

07:18

i compiled like this

  CC=clang CXX=clang++ CXXFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer" CFLAGS="-fsanitize=address,undefined -fsanitize-recover=address,undefined -fno-omit-frame-pointer"  cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DHEADLESS_CLIENT=ON

07:18

yesterday i still had line numbers xd

07:19

DDNet: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 4.4.0, BuildID[sha1]=f4622ec1ca0e2802458ccca060d681619257dfc8, with debug_info, not stripped

07:19

not stripped they say

07:19

and yet asan giving me the full lap dance

1

07:20

watf

07:20

@Robyt3 you dont play very much then i assume? whats your motivation for working so much on the code base then?

Maybe he plays lan server 24/7 xd

I almost never play race. Used to play vanilla or some other PVP mods like Insta or Catch if there are enough players. I mostly just like to code nowadays.

Honorable

07:57

Chiller u compiled as pie

07:58

I dunno if the sanitizers can handle address randomization

07:58

Mh but u in debug mode. Weird weird

I See. Well thanks for doing it :) (@Robyt3)

I almost never play race. Used to play vanilla or some other PVP mods like Insta or Catch if there are enough players. I mostly just like to code nowadays.

who coded this bot

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@ChillerDragon hey random, apperantly all people here are stupid

Ray

09:56

shots fired

note for future self: design a table you know will have a lot of records based on a date using psql partitioning, because later on will be a chore to migrate to partitioned tables

10:07

and cuz im lazy i just deleted old data

Partitioning is about where my knowledge of SQL ends. I can sort of see it help with the issue you mentioned this morning but I also don't see why your original query performed so badly

no index

10:14

or outdated index (when you insert/updated a lot on an indexed table, you have to recreate the index from time to time) (edited)

Learath2

Partitioning is about where my knowledge of SQL ends. I can sort of see it help with the issue you mentioned this morning but I also don't see why your original query performed so badly

idk it had 7million rows

that's nothing

He already had an index on the date

default

no index

dude if u dont know what utalk about better stfu

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Ryozuki

explain analyze SELECT COUNT(*) as count, date(timezone('UTC', purchase_time)) as day from purchase GROUP BY date(timezone('UTC', purchase_time)) ORDER BY day DESC LIMIT 15;
                                                                                            QUERY PLAN
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Limit  (cost=1000.46..11744.04 rows=15 width=12) (actual time=1667.304..1700.836 rows=15 loops=1)
   ->  Finalize GroupAggregate  (cost=1000.46..341213.86 rows=475 width=12) (actual time=1667.302..1700.832 rows=15 loops=1)
         Group Key: (date(timezone('UTC'::text, purchase_time)))
         ->  Gather Merge  (cost=1000.46..341201.99 rows=950 width=12) (actual time=1666.905..1700.817 rows=31 loops=1)
               Workers Planned: 2
               Workers Launched: 2
               ->  Partial GroupAggregate  (cost=0.43..340092.31 rows=475 width=12) (actual time=15.057..1098.931 rows=291 loops=3)
                     Group Key: date(timezone('UTC'::text, purchase_time))
                     ->  Parallel Index Scan Backward using idx_purchase_purchase_time on purchase  (cost=0.43..323734.62 rows=3270114 width=4) (actual time=0.029..975.622 rows=2609251 loops=3)
 Planning Time: 0.235 ms
 Execution Time: 1700.887 ms

the explain literally says it

I do know what I am talking about

sometimes u rly make me mad

10:15

no u dont know shit

10:15

u just blabber

my company does the documents for most german companies

10:16

we have at least 50 million entries in a table

10:16

recreating the index from time to time helps

fuckyousnail

if you were smart enough to create an index in the first place

my god

10:16

im done

not my fault you are not as smart

(timeouted both for insulting each other)

Don't wanna complain. But Heinrich banned me from the ddnet Server for things that happened outside of it.

you timed him out and he left the server kekW

kekW

Nah I have been banned @spur

wat

10:33

how u talkin

irc chat

wtf is irc chat

heinrich got no power here

10:33

https://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=ddnet&uio=d4

ah

10:34

heinrich is an odd person, have you ever seen him in a happy mood?

he was visibly interested when I talked with him about Teeworlds bot in our dms

he gets interested in things besides moderating this discord?

spur

heinrich is an odd person, have you ever seen him in a happy mood?

Well he might be bit strict very often, which makes normal conversations hard sometimes, but he is also very intelligent and does a lot for ddnet. If I assume right, he plays the role of a ddnet discord mod after rules he set himself and is pretty consistent about them. So basically like a robot xd

10:38

He can time out the bridge too default0

10:38

Poor chiller dragon

Normal conversation is easy, discussions are where we have an issue usually. People get way too heated

Would he take away every method for support

10:39

I already don't have any access to the reports channel anymore

10:39

I think

Just say sorry and he will unban

10:40

Can't be so hard

Meh

10:45

#freeryo

10:45

He is innocent

10:45

But I still believe that rebuilding the indexes was the smart move

Aren't indices kept up to date

10:46

What would be the sense of them else

I don't think so

10:46

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/indexes/reorganize-and-rebuild-indexes?view=sql-server-ver16

Maintaining indexes optimally to improve performance and reduce res...

This article describes index maintenance concepts, and a recommended strategy to maintain indexes.

Would be surprising to me, but i am not biggest SQL/database lover

They are, but they aren't guaranteed to be optimal when updated on the go

Learath2

They are, but they aren't guaranteed to be optimal when updated on the go

Ah makes sense

Some things get fragmented

I just know that we run even bigger Databases

10:50

And there is no way a proper table with 5M entries should be slow

10:51

But I have no knowledge on Ryos case

10:51

It was just mentioned by someone else

Is still the question if indices are the problem here tho. Sounds more like the query is inefficient then

could be the case if the query contains sql that checks (nearly) every entry - such as string comparisons

I'd have assumed even without rebuilding the indices would be reasonable fast

10:54

Rebuilding sounds like a on top optimization of u know u are reading often and writing rarely

Can't scroll up in this IRC chat to quote the other one. But the wording slow query was dropped.

10:54

rebuilding is not needed if you only read, rebuilding should be done nightly or when not used if you are inserting new entries to the table and update entries in general

Anyway, i doubt ryo uses Ms stuff. So it this isn't a useful discussion without him anyway

it would only be useless if that doesn't apply to SQL databases in general

I cannot imagine that it is as much of a problem than it sounds from you. Ryo did vacuum and analyze do he probably is suspecting something already (edited)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

11:06

Also just checked. Rebuilding is done in other databases with the ANALYZE TABLE table_name; command

11:07

Some also have the OPTIMIZE TABLE tbl; command

finally free

11:28

next time when i ask for something i will exclude this guy from it

11:28

since i dont enjoy convos with it

11:28

thats all ill say

you can ignore me, but I will never be gone

11:29

@Learath2 i suggest u simply make a special case for chiller on matrix, and disable irc

11:30

nobody uses it anyway

Chiller cries in pain. He hates element BCS Js bloat XD. Btw chiller, did u ever try a terminal client?

i think he tried weechat

11:33

with the matrix extension i told him

11:33

probs didnt like it

I see

I like having a method to join the developer chat without proprietary software

true

11:33

then simply not let ban evaders abuse it

Is matrix proprietary?

not that i know

11:33

maybe the client

I was offline

11:33

matrix is open, irc is (more?) open

i know its ok, told learath bu he has no perms

he is +o on IRC

irc is the most open, but also insecure

DefaultO

you can ignore me, but I will never be gone

Damn. thought u rq (edited)

maybe he forgot the credentials?

probably xd

11:34

but irc with the OTR extension is nice

DefaultO

you can ignore me, but I will never be gone

he became a fucking web-hook

only works for private convos tho

heinrich5991

matrix is open, irc is (more?) open

Why tho, i can fully self host it. Or BCS of other reasons?

@Jupstar ✪ i think matrix can be federated

11:34

the problem its more complicated to setup

IRC is a standard, matrix aims to be a standard but a lot of it is still "whatever synapse does"

iu used to host a irc server

11:35

ircv3

11:35

https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd

GitHub - inspircd/inspircd: A modular C++ IRC server (ircd).

A modular C++ IRC server (ircd). Contribute to inspircd/inspircd development by creating an account on GitHub.

11:35

i think most networks use this

11:35

i used it too

unrealircd also exists I think

11:36

also twitch uses it IIRC

ah ye

heinrich5991

IRC is a standard, matrix aims to be a standard but a lot of it is still "whatever synapse does"

So the development is less open?

well irc is rly open in that there are lot of implementors right

11:38

idk how many matrix implementors are there

11:38

element is the dominant right

Jupstar ✪

So the development is less open?

yes, basically

@heinrich5991 do u prefer mpv or vlc

Ryozuki

well irc is rly open in that there are lot of implementors right

there are a couple of alternative clients. last I checked (couple of years ago) they were far from usable with encryption

I see. That explains why they need two million years to implement webrtc correctly lmao

in the linux weeb world i heard many ppl say mpv is better than vlc

I use mpv, I liked that it doesn't show user interface

The only fast client i know is the CPP one. The web apps are all so slow when decrypting. Very avoiding

11:39

Annoying

Ryozuki

in the linux weeb world i heard many ppl say mpv is better than vlc

I think it generally has less problems(for me) but also less settings, at least over ui

i had to use mpv to watch anime rn cuz i stopped emerge mid-qt

11:41

and vlc needs qt

11:41

its nice too yeah

11:41

i need to integrate it with rofi tho

it also plays better with syncplay

i.. lack a file browser

11:41

xD

I use ffplay to replay streams tho. Seems to be the only player that minimized delay for rtmp

does it work with twitch?

I dunno, my friends and I use rtmp with nginx

xd

It's nice BCS higher quality streams

11:45

YouTube has a rtmp backend tho

11:45

At least for the stream upload

Ryozuki

in the linux weeb world i heard many ppl say mpv is better than vlc

VLC is not recommended because it often displays wrong colours, introduces visual artifacts, and breaks intensive subtitles. Here are some comparisons showing these issues -

>

https://slow.pics/c/XhbmrYgU (Spice and Wolf by MTBB) https://slow.pics/c/vH560pvp

from thewiki.moe

VLC | Slowpoke Pics

Slowpoke Pics image comparison service

VLC vs MPV (but 100% correct frames this time) v3 | Slowpoke Pics

Slowpoke Pics image comparison service

i see

11:49

mpv

11:49

a quick read

on windows it also links an ancient version of libass so some subtitles are broken, though I guess that's not a problem on linux

it says it also decodes better with nvidia on linux, which i have

though font caching is still weird

and works better with tiling

11:49

which i have

11:50

libass is a good library name

vlc would also upscale chroma with point for a long time, not sure if it still does that

$drake vlc mpv

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mpv "$(ls -1 | rofi -dmenu)"

11:58

nice this works

11:59

i just realized im not using the full power of rofi

Ryozuki

mpv "$(ls -1 | rofi -dmenu)"

Fake ryo. Where is rust alternative

https://github.com/davatorium/rofi

GitHub - davatorium/rofi: Rofi: A window switcher, application laun...

Rofi: A window switcher, application launcher and dmenu replacement - GitHub - davatorium/rofi: Rofi: A window switcher, application launcher and dmenu replacement

12:00

idk anything as good as rofi in rust

12:01

bindsym --release Print exec maim -s --format=png /dev/stdout | xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png -i

12:01

this is my way to take screenshots

12:01

bindsym --release $mod+o exec maim -i $(xdotool getactivewindow) --format=png /dev/stdout | xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png -i

to take a perfect screenshot of the active window

Mhh

i3 powa

12:02

bindsym $mod+d exec --no-startup-id rofi -show drun

12:02

and my program launcher

Too nerdy for my workflow

@Jupstar ✪ im the fastest at opening firefox in the west

Xd

12:05

Sad only that browsers are bloated slow software

true

12:06

Image attachment

12:06

bloat time

Jupstar ✪

Sad only that browsers are bloated slow software

worst offenders, cuz they take a lot to compile and they update a lot due to security issues i think

12:07

thats why i always run "upgrade --exclude "firefox""

12:07

upgrade is my script

12:08

alias upgrade='sudo emerge -avuDN @world'

12:09

https://micahflee.com/2023/04/capturing-the-flag-with-gpt-4/

Capturing the Flag with GPT-4

12:09

ctf

Just remove js brownbear

brownbear

Ryozuki

https://micahflee.com/2023/04/capturing-the-flag-with-gpt-4/

I tested gpt4. Indeed a lot better than chatgpt.. but much slower

12:10

Good progress xd

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arch1t3cht

vlc would also upscale chroma with point for a long time, not sure if it still does that

looks like it doesn't any more

@arch1t3cht do u know if u can advance to delay subs

12:14

in vlc i know how to

12:14

sometimes i need that cuz unsync subs

z and Z

oh nice

there's a nice hotkey cheat sheet somewhere

12:15

I think it was this one https://i.imgur.com/LNGJf4u.png

Embedded image

matrix is just such a complicated thing, I honestly never quite enjoyed it

12:19

with homeservers and stuff it just makes my brain melt

Ryozuki

it says it also decodes better with nvidia on linux, which i have

Make sure you configure it properly, it didn't want to use nvenc by default for me

12:21

well nvdec in this case but yeah

Learath2

Make sure you configure it properly, it didn't want to use nvenc by default for me

how to xD

12:21

@Jupstar ✪ what do u think about https://www.amazon.es/Noctua-NH-U12A-chromax-Black-Disipador-Torre/dp/B098XP1Y38

Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black, Disipador de CPU de 120 mm y una Sola...

ChÅ‚odzenie CPU Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black

Ryozuki

how to xD

Well first check if it works out of the box

it did

12:23

i watched a anime while eating

I mean if it is using your gpu out of the box

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ what do u think about https://www.amazon.es/Noctua-NH-U12A-chromax-Black-Disipador-Torre/dp/B098XP1Y38

Why is it so expensive?

it said gpu

Jupstar ✪

Why is it so expensive?

i mean noctua is the best brand for this

Mh i dunno, but very expensive for a air cooler

@Jupstar ✪ which do u have

12:24

what temps

12:24

i reached 88 compiling gcc

12:24

xd

12:24

so idk anymore

12:24

i guess i need new cooler

12:24

the hyper 212 suxs

12:25

i read the 5800x is hard to cool cuz small die

12:25

or smth

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ which do u have

I have dark rock pro 3

12:26

And V4 costs like 80€

@Ryozuki if it doesn't say nvdec or vdpau on the gpu line it's not using your gpu

I doubt my cpu was ever over 70°

AO: [pulse] 44100Hz stereo 2ch float VO: [gpu] 1920x1080 yuv420p AV: 00:00:02 / 00:24:00 (0%) A-V: 0.000

Even with 16 cores. But maybe depends on fan target

gpu there is the video output driver, gpu is the modern one

Ryozuki

AO: [pulse] 44100Hz stereo 2ch float VO: [gpu] 1920x1080 yuv420p AV: 00:00:02 / 00:24:00 (0%) A-V: 0.000

Yeah, that's not hardware decoding

12:28

Try starting with --hwdec

hm same

12:29

@Learath2 do i need any flags

12:29

on gentoo

12:29

oh there is nvenc

Yeah you want nvenc on gentoo

12:30

I also have vdpau enabled, not all applications can use nvenc/nvdec

12:32

There is one big problem with firefox on linux, it can't use vdpau or nvdec, only vaapi, so videos don't get decoded on gpu and it annoys me very much

Sounds annoying indeed. I mostly use Firefox for exactly that^^ video Playback is awesome

Jupstar ✪

Sounds annoying indeed. I mostly use Firefox for exactly that^^ video Playback is awesome

Do you have it working on linux with hardware accelerated decoding?

Learath2

Do you have it working on linux with hardware accelerated decoding?

Yes but amd

12:34

It has vaapi backend

Learath2

matrix is just such a complicated thing, I honestly never quite enjoyed it

do you like xmpp?

❯ rg vdpau
make.conf
21:USE="X -wayland lm-sensors contrib mount alsa pulseaudio xinerama opengl vulkan udev elogind -systemd fontconfig vorbis opus vdpau bluetooth"

package.use/vlc
214:# required by media-libs/mesa-22.1.7::gentoo[vdpau]
218:x11-libs/libvdpau abi_x86_32 dri

12:34

i have this

12:34

no vaapi in sight xd

Ok you have vdpau, nvidia doesn't support vaapi anyway

12:35

There used to be a weird stub driver that redirected vaapi requests to vdpau but it was a buggy mess so every distro removed it

Core mpv functionality can be extended with Lua or JavaScript scripts or C plugins.

12:35

lol js but no rust

heinrich5991

do you like xmpp?

Not particularly. I don't mind the wire protocol, but the homeserver thing is a little weird still, atleast in my mind

hmm, that's kinda what makes email good though

i need to remember why i have qt deps in gentoo

I like a little federation

i wonder what uses it

vlc?

oh true

12:36

vlc does

Learath2

Not particularly. I don't mind the wire protocol, but the homeserver thing is a little weird still, atleast in my mind

I only use it BCS home server actually xdd

Ryozuki

i wonder what uses it

if you have equery you can do equery d <package> to find out what depends on it

oh

12:41

equery poggers

equery d dev-qt/qtcore

Image attachment

Those ones with the pink qt5 thing mean it's only dependent if the qt5 useflag is enabled

ok i added nvenc and vdpau

12:43

also libcaca

12:43

funny name

12:43

caca = shit in spanish

Now when you do --hwdec in mpv what happens?

Image attachment

For me it was still only decoding on gpu but then copying back to the cpu

Using hardware decoding (nvdec). AO: [pulse] 44100Hz stereo 2ch float VO: [gpu] 1920x1080 cuda[nv12] AV: 00:01:54 / 00:49:25 (4%) A-V: 0.000

Okay, seems it's not copying back for you

how to make it default

mpv.conf

ye but what option xD

hwdec=auto

12:46

you can copy the example config from /usr/share/doc/mpv...

you can usually just copy the options you set on the cli one to one

arch1t3cht

you can usually just copy the options you set on the cli one to one

so just hwdec?

auto worked

12:48

does mpv display it always at max quality or whathever

12:48

or do i need to config it too

wdym max quality

profile=gpu-hq

You can do profile=gpu-hq it'll set the scaler and a couple other things

if you use profile=gpu-hq then disable deband

12:49

deband just makes existing banding worse more often than not

ok looking good

some more advanced config guides (custom upscalers and whatnot) here: https://web.archive.org/web/20220603192313/https://lightarrowsexe.github.io/moon_blog/mpv-made-easy/ https://kokomins.wordpress.com/2019/10/14/mpv-config-guide/ https://iamscum.wordpress.com/guides/videoplayback-guide/mpv-conf/

i have a nerdy anime setup now too

You can also mess around with the scaler afterwards, I think I heard ewa_lanczossharp is better if you have a beastgpu

12:52

It's actually quite impressive how configurable mpv is, they support so many things, you can change like everything

the only missing thing is someday to leave pulseaudio and use pipewire

Ryozuki

the only missing thing is someday to leave pulseaudio and use pipewire

I did it on both my machines, it's actually trivial to switch

12:53

took me 20 mins max

ohh

12:53

ill do it after the work metting i have in 10 mins xd

12:53

meeting*

and mpv is a native pipewire client, so it doesn't rely on the pulseaudio plugin and you get nice nodes in the graph

nice

I was listening to a lecture with bad audio, ran it through an AI denoiser node and an EQ to cut out a buzz

are we a native pipewire client

12:54

ddnet

doubt it, we use SDL and I don't think they do native pipewire yet

boo

https://www.phoronix.com/news/SDL2-Lands-PipeWire-Audio nvm they did

SDL2 Lands Native PipeWire Support

While SDL2-enabled games/applications can already work on PipeWire-based systems like the forthcoming Fedora Workstation 34 thanks to the PulseAudio compatibility layer, the SDL2 library has merged initial support for interfacing with PipeWire.

what is native pipewire?

12:59

I thought pipewire only offered jack/pulseaudo APIs?

pipewire offered a pulseaudio and jack api through plugins

13:00

it has an api of it's own that is pretty easy to translate to, which is what the plugins do iirc

And in the end it is all alsa? Xd

alsa is both the name of the kernel API and the name of a library

13:05

it's all alsa the kernel API, but not alsa the library

13:05

AFAIK

Ok

hm, I don't remember if pulseaudio and pipewire rely on libalsa

I thought that no

13:07

pulseaudio depends on alsa-lib on archlinux

13:07

pipewire doesn't

I just want obs to finally support audio per application. Shouldn't it be easy to implement with pipewire

13:07

And webrtc too

should also be doable with pulseaudio

13:08

I remember doign that

Mh k. Will later look

hm, in gentoo both pipewire and pulseaudio depend on alsa-lib

13:09

even with the alsa plugin disabled

Jupstar ✪

I just want obs to finally support audio per application. Shouldn't it be easy to implement with pipewire

should be pretty trivial if obs is a native pipewire client, it just needs to create a sink and get the stream from the application

Learath2

should be pretty trivial if obs is a native pipewire client, it just needs to create a sink and get the stream from the application

Yeah probably it already works. Maybe more hidden. On windows u have window audio source and select window

You can probably already just wire it by hand in qpwgraph or using the pw-cli

Yep

13:15

I have a dummy source for that rn

13:15

But easier in obs directly

Jupstar ✪

I just want obs to finally support audio per application. Shouldn't it be easy to implement with pipewire

this so much

13:34

imagine being able to watch hentai while streaming

13:34

(joke xd)

13:34

on windows u need a shady program for split desktop adudio

Learath2

You can probably already just wire it by hand in qpwgraph or using the pw-cli

i need to learn this stuff

13:35

@Learath2 do u have a tldr on migrating

13:35

my meeting is over so i can mess with my audio now

13:36

https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2022-07-29-pipewire-sound-server.html

PipeWire sound server migration – Gentoo Linux

News and information from Gentoo Linux

13:36

found this

Ryozuki

i need to learn this stuff

Best part is that you really dont need to learn anything if you dont want to, the out of the box experience is the same as pulseaudio

Ryozuki

https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2022-07-29-pipewire-sound-server.html

I used this and the pipewire page on the gentoo wiki

13:40

One problem I had was that audio was low out of the box, but I just had to set the ALSA volume to 100%

pavucontrol will work?

13:40

its a nice tool xd

13:41

or whats the pipewire alt

pavucontrol does still work

13:41

pulseaudio plugin is very very complete

nice

13:41

does firefox has native pipewire

13:42

❯ rg pulseaudio
make.conf
21:USE="X -wayland lm-sensors contrib mount alsa pulseaudio xinerama opengl vulkan udev elogind -systemd fontconfig vorbis opus vdpau bluetooth"

package.use/00cpu-flags
2:# required by media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon-16.1::gentoo[alsa,alsa-plugin]
4:# required by media-sound/pulseaudio-16.1::gentoo
5:# required by www-client/firefox-bin-105.0.3::gentoo[pulseaudio]
7:>=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.2.7.1 pulseaudio

III think they still go through the pulseaudio plugin

13:44

firefox is extremely slow when adopting stuff like this

13:44

They still haven't started using vdpau because they were fighting about whether they should wait for vulkan video or not for half a decade

xd

13:45

ah there is also something thats been bugging me but unrelated

13:45

i dont like login display managers

13:46

but i didnt know how to get the bus or udev right

13:46

i have xdm without anything

13:46

so when i login in the tty it works but it always says a warning xd

13:46

i wonder how to get the logs

13:46

i have XDM

13:46

but wanna get rid of it

13:47

startx logs

idk what you mean, I never used a dm so it certainly is possible

tldr when setting up gentoo i guess i messed up a bit my config

Are you having an issue starting a dbus session?

and idk if im using xdm or not, i login through the tty tho xd

Learath2

Are you having an issue starting a dbus session?

i remember having a issue with it if not using a display manager

You login through a tty, then how do you start x?

i forgot

13:51

this is like programming

13:51

a setup u made ages age is not urs anymore

13:51

xd

13:51

i guess x gets started by XDM but it doesnt have any "frontend" configured?

When you log in, does it automatically get you into a gui?

no

13:52

my .xinit looks like this

So you do startx?

xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources

if [ -n "${GPG_AGENT_INFO}" ]; then
  kill $(echo ${GPG_AGENT_INFO} | cut -d':' -f 2) >/dev/null 2>&1
fi

exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session ssh-agent i3

13:52

i dont run startx

13:52

i guess if i remove xdm

13:52

i should do that

13:53

ill remove it

I wonder what even starts x for you, I thought display managers were started by the init system

it is

13:53

rc-update shows it

13:54

display-manager | default

13:54

ah

but you log in on a tty you said

Image attachment

13:54

i have this

13:54

but with xdm

13:54

but xdm is not there

13:55

so its a weird thing it does

13:55

probs

13:55

xd

13:55

ye

do you maybe have an exec startx in your bashrc or bash_profile?

13:55

I remember gentoo suggesting that in a wiki page

no i dont

13:55

i nver read that

13:55

so my dumb self thought, ok ill use a display manager to make startx auto

I mean there is no harm to a dm

its bloat

13:56

i like my tty login

13:57

do i put exec startx

13:57

in bashrc or profile

13:57

oh wait

13:57

i have it in my profile

Ah, that explains it

Image attachment

what's the point in doing 'native' pipewire if it also supports the pulseaudio API?

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

You aren't using XDM at all

yeah im not xd

13:58

i disabled the display manager in rc-update

heinrich5991

what's the point in doing 'native' pipewire if it also supports the pulseaudio API?

Honestly, nothing much for most applications, there is some pipewire specific stuff exposed in the pipewire api, but mostly advanced stuff

Ryozuki

do i put exec startx

I've been using this for a long time if you are interested in taking a look

https://github.com/gotroyb127/dotfiles/blob/5d72589137d0218ae8990fe8e9185c02b62f70ce/.profile#L50

ur not someones alt right?

14:00

ok ill check

@Ryozuki don't forget to add gentoo-pipewire-launcher & to your i3 config

@Learath2 do u have ur tmp in a tmpfs

14:00

i do

14:00

BASEDHALT

14:00

portage tmp too

14:01

just need 12gb ram for firefox tmp files

Nope, I do sometimes mount a tmpfs there though

14:01

Maybe I should always have it on tmpfs

it saves lots of writes

14:01

and good use of ram

14:02

otherwise i hardly reach 10gb

14:02

usage

Ryozuki

ur not someones alt right?

No, I'm not, I'm me ;). I've been silent generally.

14:03

It'd probably help if I got /nicked to zogtib.

with or without the full stop?

without

not to be pedantic, but a alt saying "im me" is also correct

14:03

after all you are always u :p

14:04

(im joking anyways)

That's right, but I'm not an alt.

zogtib

I've been using this for a long time if you are interested in taking a look

https://github.com/gotroyb127/dotfiles/blob/5d72589137d0218ae8990fe8e9185c02b62f70ce/.profile#L50

This is a cute idea, I'll steal it

(oh and thanks for /nicking me)

oh

14:05

i havent thought about goign full tty only

14:05

zen mode

I don't have exec startx so I can stay in tty if I'd like

https://chompie.rip/Blog+Posts/Put+an+io_uring+on+it+-+Exploiting+the+Linux+Kernel

Put an io_uring on it - Exploiting the Linux Kernel - chompie at th...

Original Date Published: March 8, 2022 ![[62270d310fc0e771bbf3ea30_main_iou_imagemain_iouring.png]] This blog posts covers io_uring, a new Linux…

14:07

nice explanation of io_uring, too

@Learath2 can u tell me ur use flags for pipe

14:08

and do i need alsa-plugins

ddnet.org seems down

media-video/pipewire sound-server extra I don't have anything else

media-video/pipewire X dbus extra ffmpeg pipewire-alsa sound-server ssl v4l

gstreamer might be fun to mess around with too if you want

no pipewire-alsa ?

Oh yeah, X dbus readline ssl from my USE too

Ryozuki

no pipewire-alsa ?

Nope

pipewire-alsa Replace PulseAudio's ALSA plugin with PipeWire's plugin

You can use it though if you like

14:11

I don't have any ALSA clients left so I didn't even think about it

tbh im a bit confused with whats alsa and whatnot

14:11

xd

14:11

do i have alsa clients

Yeah it is confusing, I think when we say "alsa client" we mean clients that use libalsa directly for their sound output

Ryozuki

do i have alsa clients

I guess there is no harm in enabling pipewire-alsa too just in case you do

14:12

No need for those to go through the pulseaudio plugin

@Learath2 poke dm

heinrich5991

https://chompie.rip/Blog+Posts/Put+an+io_uring+on+it+-+Exploiting+the+Linux+Kernel

saved

14:16

[blocks B ] media-video/pipewire[sound-server(+)] ("media-video/pipewire[sound-server(+)]" is soft blocking media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon-16.1-r6) [blocks B ] media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon ("media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon" is soft blocking media-video/pipewire-0.3.67)

14:16

odd

14:16

❯ sudo emerge --deselect media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon

No matching atoms found in "world" favorites file...

14:16

i shouldnt have it xd

14:17

❯ equery d pulseaudio-daemon

These packages depend on pulseaudio-daemon:

media-libs/libpulse-16.1-r2 (media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon) media-sound/paprefs-1.2-r3 (media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon[glib]) media-sound/pulseaudio-16.1 (daemon ? >=media-sound/pulseaudio-daemon-16.1[bluetooth?,glib?,jack?,ofono-headset?])

14:17

i guess i need to remove those

14:19

@Learath2 do u have a global use flag with pulseaudio? or pipewire

14:19

i have alsa pulseaudio there

Ryozuki

@Learath2 do u have a global use flag with pulseaudio? or pipewire

Yeah, you need to keep the pulseaudio useflag, I also enabled pipewire so I can get native clients where supported

Ryozuki

i guess i need to remove those

did you set -sound-server on pulseaudio as suggested on the migration guide?

14:25

-daemon actually sorry

14:26

Yeah, that's why you have it, you didn't set -daemon

i fixed it

14:29

i had to deselect a library

14:29

sudo emerge --deselect media-sound/paprefs

Removing media-sound/paprefs from "world" favorites file...

14:30

@Learath2 i found some unholy thing in my rc-update

14:30

systemd-tmpfiles-setup | boot systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev | sysinit

eww

do u use udev btw?

but you are supposed to have it

xD

14:30

added global pipewire

14:30

the only things that support it

Image attachment

14:30

sad world

14:31

also added the session thing

14:31

ill reboot and hope for the best, after obs finishes compiling

Ryozuki

do u use udev btw?

yeah, I've been meaning to migrate to eudev but didn't have time to mess around with it

14:32

udev breaking is more than a 20 minute issue to debug

ye xd

14:34

hello from the unbloated world

14:34

pipewire

14:34

it works

14:34

my audio was at 40 but i put it at 100

14:35

i control my audio from my bose speakers

14:35

gigachad

14:35

2023-04-25 16:35:37 I client/sound: sound init successful using audio driver 'pulseaudio'

14:35

ddnet says this tho

14:35

i guess ddnet being ddnet

Ryozuki

2023-04-25 16:35:37 I client/sound: sound init successful using audio driver 'pulseaudio'

it is possible our sdl2 is too old, maybe compile a new one?

oh

14:36

i recompiled sdl2 with the flag but not ddnet

14:37

same

14:37

hmm

14:38

❯ mpv \[SubsPlease\]\ Vinland\ Saga\ S2\ -\ 12\ \(1080p\)\ \[CDAA6C02\].mkv
 (+) Video --vid=1 (*) (h264 1920x1080 23.976fps)
 (+) Audio --aid=1 --alang=jpn (*) (aac 2ch 44100Hz)
 (+) Subs  --sid=1 --slang=eng (*) 'English subs' (ass)
Using hardware decoding (nvdec).
AO: [pipewire] 44100Hz stereo 2ch floatp
VO: [gpu] 1920x1080 cuda[nv12]
AV: 00:00:04 / 00:25:55 (0%) A-V:  0.000

14:38

hehe

14:38

i know it works thanks to mpv

Ah apparently SDL2 uses pulseaudio if it's available always

14:40

Try SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pipewire ./DDNet

2023-04-25 16:44:49 I client/sound: sound init successful using audio driver 'pipewire'

14:44

oh nice

14:45

should i export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pipewire

14:45

i will do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T6ClX-y2AE&t=2611s

Microsoft Israel R&D Center

BlueHat IL 2023 - David Weston - Default Security

i got my cgit mirror up again

15:29

https://git.edgarluque.com/

15:29

im no longer affected by microsoft closing github

15:29

BASEDHALT

don't hold your breath, sourceforge is still up

if github would be shutdown today, i wonder if gitlab could even handle it at all xD

They probably have good enough automation that they’ll scale without problem

15:35

Running more gitlab nodes isn’t too hard

i wonder if gitlab is even that scalable

15:35

i mean how many users does gitlab have, they probs never tested it with like 20times the amount xD

I think I remember some sharding in the code if needed

or much more probably

cgit interface is so much faster

15:36

than github

15:36

no js bloat

but it also has basically no functionalty xd

15:37

so rewrite github in rust to compile it to wasm

15:38

and hope that browsers will do more wasm optimizations soon

Jupstar ✪

if github would be shutdown today, i wonder if gitlab could even handle it at all xD

that's the best problem to have, everyone would be pumped to work on making it scale

^^ true

this reminded me of this

15:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs&pp=ygUJd2ViIHNjYWxl

Episode 1 - Mongo DB Is Web Scale

troll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T6ClX-y2AE&t=2611s

Microsoft Israel R&D Center

BlueHat IL 2023 - David Weston - Default Security

15:55

(rust is mentioned there @Ryozuki :p )

oh nice

Ryozuki

❯ mpv \[SubsPlease\]\ Vinland\ Saga\ S2\ -\ 12\ \(1080p\)\ \[CDAA6C02\].mkv
 (+) Video --vid=1 (*) (h264 1920x1080 23.976fps)
 (+) Audio --aid=1 --alang=jpn (*) (aac 2ch 44100Hz)
 (+) Subs  --sid=1 --slang=eng (*) 'English subs' (ass)
Using hardware decoding (nvdec).
AO: [pipewire] 44100Hz stereo 2ch floatp
VO: [gpu] 1920x1080 cuda[nv12]
AV: 00:00:04 / 00:25:55 (0%) A-V:  0.000

what if ur file is only named ()]()()()()()[]()[)]([].mkv (edited)

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4397 Port IME from Teeworlds 0.7

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4346 UI text input: cannot replace selection with single character when input is full

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4524 Sometimes letters get mixed up in search

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6530 Port line input and IME support from 0.7

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4347 UI text input: editbox does not scroll when selecting text with mouse

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5974 Ctrl + c from rcon & local console sometimes isn't work

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1030 Typing in Japanese no longer works

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1030 Typing in Japanese no longer works

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1008 Can activate IME, but not switch input method

16:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1008 Can activate IME, but not switch input method

wtf bors big spammer

amazing PR @Robyt3

16:09

gotta try out the IME again ^^

The newest version of Tater-Client crash if you try to load a map in map editor. Someone got this error too or was this a one of the last changes and i miss merged it? I dont remember to merge something in Editor just (No Changes so far in the map editor, so no merge) Can someone gimme a quick tip if this problem is known before i try to search the whole day xD

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Daniel

The newest version of Tater-Client crash if you try to load a map in map editor. Someone got this error too or was this a one of the last changes and i miss merged it? I dont remember to merge something in Editor just (No Changes so far in the map editor, so no merge) Can someone gimme a quick tip if this problem is known before i try to search the whole day xD

any specific map? does ddnet not crash?

The exception implies that a file has no modified date or it could not be determined

nah you cant get to the map select.. if you click on file-> load ... then it crashes the person who told me this said that the newest ddnet version dont crash

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6532 Fix input as the comments suggest for the next SDL version

Since we want to upgrade SDL version. SDL fixed the bug on Windows that releasing the mouse while tabbing out directly refocuses the window, which broke desktop fullscreen (and maybe windowed fullscreen)

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered poss...

Robyt3

The exception implies that a file has no modified date or it could not be determined

yea i understand the error message but i dont want to some new handling into system.cpp or other functions what is extra changes to the main branch

I don't really understand this exception though. Here is the only result on the internet for it: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71345845/assertion-timeptr-nullptr

Assertion timeptr != nullptr

I am working on logging in a DLL but getting the date and time causes an assertion. The function is supposed to return a time like 3/3/2022 8:00:00. But it causes an assertion, and a warning "...

16:47

Does Tater-Client have the same str_timestamp_ex implementation as ddnet?

since tater-client don't need to change it this should be the same

Ryozuki

https://git.edgarluque.com/

looks great

weechat is trash for Matrix but best for irc. I use gomuks for Matrix it’s quite solid (@Jupstar ✪)

Chiller cries in pain. He hates element BCS Js bloat XD. Btw chiller, did u ever try a terminal client?

chillerdragon

weechat is trash for Matrix but best for irc. I use gomuks for Matrix it’s quite solid (@Jupstar ✪)

nheko is fast, but not terminal based. and kinda looks like telegram xD

Matrix is bad eitherway

send from matrix

The protocol is just bloat. And the main china controlled spynet matrix.org instance is slow af. And the federation is just annoying

17:55

Okay gotta admit on iOS Matrix crap beats irc clients

send from matrix

so what else can we use

Which is also fair since real OGs don’t own phones

i need smth that is as good as discord, and matrix is the only thing close

irc all the way

17:56

Better than Matrix and discord combined

There used to be fosscord which apparently rebranded and took down their website that made it look like a Fortune 500 company https://github.com/spacebarchat/spacebarchat

i need smth that is as good as discord, and matrix is the only thing close

xd

18:07

good to know tho

Idk how good it is. Honestly their good design and marketing scared me away.

18:09

For me every average corp marketing speech and modern front end seems like a scam site to me.

18:10

If you have a good product why would you need to advertise it. If your product is a scam or can’t speak for it self you need to rely on shiny ads banners and designs

https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537

The EU Suppressed a 300-Page Study That Found Piracy Doesn’t Harm S...

The European Commission paid €360,000 (about $428,000) for a study on how piracy impacts the sales of copyrighted music, books, video games, and movies. But the EU never shared the report—possibly because it determined that there is no evidence that piracy is a major problem.

18:23

kekw

18:23

The EU Suppressed a 300-Page Study That Found Piracy Doesn’t Harm Sales

@Learath2 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2218380120

18:43

future

18:43

or past

18:44

Electrical current modulation in wood electrochemical transistor

18:44

wood transistors

18:44

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6532 Fix input as the comments suggest for the next SDL version

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