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Between 2023-04-23 00:00:00Z and 2023-04-24 00:00:00Z

Ewan

hi fred @TsFreddie

Hi

what do u expect them to do

02:39

they do add new features

02:39

compare to vanilla

02:40

how are they gonna make new changes relevant to you if 95% of the maps are too old to use the new features

02:40

what is it

they add new map features when mapper wants it

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128 what

for player count

02:41

that's just old code base

02:41

not worth doing it for breaking up with teewolds

it wouldn't be hard to do

02:41

it would make a big rift between older versions of the game

yes

02:42

I had 512 players servers

02:42

but they don't work across clients, only on ddnet

02:42

of course if you can do it backwards compatibly, you can submit pull request

02:42

this is a open source game, no dev is actively working for ddnet

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that's not possible for teeworlds

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have u ever played a vanilla server on ddnet… the amount of backwards compatible code written specifically to support that is insane. why would they just throw that away

Sitting / running animation, strong nameplates, new hud? Weren't these all added around a year ago

02:43

There are some notable changes

he just want the 128 player esrver

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whyyy

if he care about client features he wouldn't be here

128 player servers would be a shitshow, no?

never gonna happen

02:44

we have community skin

02:44

also skins.tw exists

it is standard

02:44

dont think so

it is disabled by default. but does it matter

02:44

only you want to see them

It is, but it's easy to see and enable

you enable them

02:45

not everyone wants them

if u want 128 players u just need to change a few instances of array declarations & accesses and a slightly beefier host. if it’s so easy you can do it (edited)

i'm pretty sure ddnet skins are being added alongside with community skins.

Because it has a lot of skins that are out of place for the game, it's understandable

speaking of beefier host (edited)

02:46

it's not free tho

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it would be hard to keep compatibility. not to add the feature

If it were up to me, I'd have a less strict system for skins, and just make disabling a specific skin easier, if you dislike it

also you can never expect a free community to do everything nowadays. even open-source contributors for libraries has salaries now

02:48

ddnet contributors has nothing

02:48

and people have lives to live

02:48

ye

02:48

you can do it

02:48

and contribute

02:48

please

02:49

if you want something, just do it and submit

02:49

it's not that hard

02:49

but you haven't even submit a draft yet

02:49

you do know pull request goes through reviews and changes right?

02:50

if it is so easy, wouldn't take you so much effort to begin with anyway

02:50

again

fair

i don't either, and I rewrote the entire text renderer engine just to let teeworlds display CJK languages

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others have added this functionality already. fokko’s does 128 iirc

02:51

just look at what they do

02:51

backport

@Ewan btw you really are a ddnet player now huh

TsFreddie

i don't either, and I rewrote the entire text renderer engine just to let teeworlds display CJK languages

common fred W

TsFreddie

@Ewan btw you really are a ddnet player now huh

yeah LOL

02:52

1200 points as of yesterday

bruh

02:52

ddnet doesn't have emenies tho

I don’t maintain ddnet

cuz he is not a dev for ddnet?

i dev ddnet but i dont dev for ddnet

02:53

if u know what im saying

you can make fun stuff with ddnet

im a bit of a philanthropist

02:54

im just kidding

@Ewan gotta go back to work now btw. have fun

peace

02:54

nobody here gets paid for this

02:55

donations go to ddnet server costs

02:55

it’s bigger than me buddy

ddnet is not a business period

02:55

i'm closing discord lol

sounds like hell

02:55

i would not play that game

also not possible

02:56

just make a new game

Ewan

peace

bruh i think i'm stuck here lol

yeah

02:56

this convo going nowhere anyway

02:57

1/10000th of the amount of ppl who play those play this game (edited)

02:57

lmfao

again

02:57

do it yourself

02:58

the MIT license allows you to commercialize the game

ya man nothings stopping you from doing it

if you don't call it ddnet

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this is nobody’s game (edited)

you can fork it, add new features and IAP, submit to steam

deen is the honcho but he doesn’t have the power to do that kind of pay to win shit

boom

He could

ehhh

well ye technically he can

he would need new code

nah (edited)

02:59

the license allows for it

yea i mean he can’t do it with ddnet codebase

03:00

non discriminatory foss license

i think he can tho?

He owns ddnet

I thought we are not copyleft (edited)

he prolly have to fork… irrelevant anyway cuz nobody would buy into it

03:00

no

C++

cpp

python is for some codegen (edited)

in a few years maybe u can do some meaningful stuff in rust

c++ is hard lmao

but atm it’s all cpp

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it’s not standard

03:01

in ddnet it’s raw rendering

03:01

textures and shit

03:01

gpu

well SDL and openGL and vulkan are standards

ddnet has existing abstractions

03:02

naw

03:02

cool

03:02

so what

you should know that teeworlds was developed with cross-platform in mind. directx does not exist on linux

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that doesn’t make it magically supported in ddnet

also vulkan is basically the same as dx12

03:03

dx13 does not exist btw

very similar api and perf

also why would a 2d game need tessellation and compute shaders and stuff anyway

>3/4 of ddnet devs

most ddnet dev run linux. and it was originated as a hobby project of a swedish man who developed it on linux

just quads brah

graphics libraries really does not have any fancy features. everything compute shader can do, a cpu can also do

03:05

you can do most modern graphical features on cpu and it would still be fine for the scope and the intensity we are rendering things (edited)

generally speaking

03:06

you’d need to cache way more for it to perform

also we are already on vulkan anyway

software rendered ddnet would probably chug

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huh

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so? that's not the point (edited)

who installs an OS just to play games

03:06

there are many other reasons to use linux

exactly?

which is what we are doing by keeping ddnet cross platform

so we support like 4 OSs

03:07

well maybe 6, i lost tracks

Okay

03:07

And

so?

So what

03:08

What if I have it installed for development but wanna play a game now and then

lmao

Yeah idk at this point

03:08

Just laughing

03:09

Where have you been the past 18 months

03:09

Have u not heard about proton and steam deck and shit

lol

03:10

anyway. it doesn't matter how you think about linux

kek

we have people use linux, we can't drop them for YOUR convenience

TsFreddie

we have people use linux, we can't drop them for YOUR convenience

I think he just wants to argue anyway because all of this was only brought up when he proposed DirectX as a long shot

vulkan is identical to dx12

Literally how

03:13

Go find somewhere else to argue about nothing

1cc might be a good place for that

This is off topic now

infinite

Some maps u can see

03:16

Older maps that let you outside bounds

03:16

Jet pack at end

03:16

W/e

03:16

Weird

btw, all conversation in #developer are logged. I hope you know that you are contributing to future AI trainings

TsFreddie

btw, all conversation in #developer are logged. I hope you know that you are contributing to future AI trainings

xddd

03:17

i love to see those logs

https://ddnet.org/irclogs/

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Not the same

i mean publicly available to all search engines

they are across a bunch of platforms now (edited)

I think it's a irc tradition sinc irc does not have log built in (edited)

03:18

it's just for irc people to find information

03:18

this channel is not discord only

03:18

nope

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No

03:19

Edit messages do like this

03:19

Typo’d maesage

03:19

Typo’d message

03:19

It’s all there man

03:19

Sans media

03:19

Attachments

03:20

?

it updates at a interval

It’s day by day

03:21

sum ppl chat there

03:21

chillerdragon is either irc or matrix i dont remember

03:21

and he talks here a lot

some people does not like non foss softwares

crazy how matricks doesn’t use matrix for this…

03:22

proprietary

03:23

Closed source software

Ewan

crazy how matricks doesn’t use matrix for this…

has anybody seen matricks all these years

Yeah he has chatted a little recently

03:23

Here

wtf when

U can search from: matricks (edited)

03:23

Get irc client

03:24

Connect to chatroom

03:24

Chat away

03:24

U can get matrix and go hard mode

Ewan

U can search from: matricks (edited)

based (edited)

chillerbot.github.io has something very similar. You can mark names in the colors green, black and red (@TheDominator)

and also there is a good feature u can add in the feature and it's not gonna break anything it's like i can mark some people as enemies and others as friends or team mates and when i hit X or whatever button it goes into xray mode and show me friends in blue and enemies in red and others in black or any color and tells me where is my enemy coming closer to me like a meter counter or something

Patiga

@Jupstar ✪ yo why tf is the hammer centered while looking left and offset a little while looking right? thonk

thonk

Dunno. Maybe because the feet also are a bit offset

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6525 Refactor packer error

@Robyt3 you might be interested :) CPacker is using a int for errors m_Error But that seems to be from the int as a bool old tw days. So this should either be made a bool. Or imo better use different values for different errors. And then change this signature to int

C++
bool Error() const { return m_Error; }

The packer can fail in multiple places. If it...

daily jopsti ddnet code base quiz! Is the string "We like bacon" in the ddnet/ddnet git history @Jupstar ✪

I added like one or two additional ddnet messages. Combined with the new kill msg I exceed the PACKERBUFFER_SIZE .. i assume this will happen to ddnet soon too then

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6526 Adding one more msg ex exceeds `PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE`

This is not a pullrequest. I just wanted to show that the pipeline will fail if another msg is added. I noticed this in downstream. After merging in voxels new kill msg. I added some error codes to the packer. And tracked it back to here https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/15620354b99755c76ffe9880fb54a6c109a5751f/src/engine/shared/packer.cpp#L69-L73 Which I understand as it being bigger than PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE (1024 * 2) So when the ...

has voxel's shitty pull requests gone too far?? more on that later after 5. back to you, charlie.

xd

06:52

in case it isnt obvious. You broke nothing :)

yeah but still at least this gives everyone more of a chance to make teeworlds safer

06:53

i said that wrong

Actually i havent even seen the new stuff yet. I played with the new kill msg stuff all day yesterday and didnt see it i guess its only if teams are in use right?

it's only in teams, and only if a team started (edited)

yea cring teams

06:54

well now im curious xd

i didn't like how the killfeed was just spammed with names when a large group died

06:56

Chiller look at top right

yea im not downloading this mp4 from discord xd

06:57

ima just go in game sec

how often are official ddnet servers updated?

Image attachment

ChillerDragon

how often are official ddnet servers updated?

when i feel like recompiling, not automatically

so unrelated to tags etc and not on restart or empty

07:08

here u go @Voxel some unpaid deen slave has to rebuild servers first xd

building it now

poggies

LOL thanks

ChillerDragon

daily jopsti ddnet code base quiz! Is the string "We like bacon" in the ddnet/ddnet git history @Jupstar ✪

chillerdragon: hopefully not, so i say no

wrong xd

1

07:24

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/04b29b76beca830aa7c2693dfd2e22779ef941b7#diff-a353b0b14cbfa115522d9c468f48e966418e412ba6cc7bd66add70edf0bda90bR84

ddnet/ddnet@04b29b7

07:24

teetow, explain yourself

axaxax

07:25

to his defense back when this was done half of the ddnet playerbase was not born yet

tru story

it was before woke vegan movement. Nowerdays advertising bacon would not be brand safe.

now u say bacon-like

yes

hipster jupstar

xd

Hi, do I need to change the dll files to create a client? If yes, then how, there are just signs and numbers scattered

u need to know c++

07:37

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet

GitHub - ddnet/ddnet: DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer ...

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

KUKUMBER

Hi, do I need to change the dll files to create a client? If yes, then how, there are just signs and numbers scattered

if u never coded before i guess u shoudl start watching tutorials on youtube xd

07:38

or take programming classes

what client do you need?

but u can also be an alien, and modify the dlls and .exe directly

s/alien/top g haxor/

a.k.a. Learath

china style

07:40

https://github.com/MageDelfador/DDNet-show-points-in-game

GitHub - MageDelfador/DDNet-show-points-in-game: 游戏中按TAB键查看所有玩家分数的小...

游戏中按TAB键查看所有玩家分数的小程序. Contribute to MageDelfador/DDNet-show-points-in-game development by creating an account on GitHub.

Jupstar ✪

if u never coded before i guess u shoudl start watching tutorials on youtube xd

I just don't understand how to change the client itself, I'll figure out programming. Which files need to be changed and so on

ChillerDragon

https://github.com/MageDelfador/DDNet-show-points-in-game

Are these files that need to be changed?

KUKUMBER

I just don't understand how to change the client itself, I'll figure out programming. Which files need to be changed and so on

well if u dont understand programming thats obvious. i'd need at least 1 month to explain it to you

07:48

for scoreboard u need to change scoreboard.cpp

07:48

etc.

07:48

but u also have to understand compilers

intellij IDEA? (edited)

07:49

like this?

u can use it probably yeah

07:49

if it works for cpp too

07:49

maybe they call it differently, i dunno

OK, thanks for the answer

clion is the one from jetbrains

@KUKUMBER Here is a quick rundown of the steps you would need to take in order to change the client 1. Get the source code from https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet 2. Edit the source files in a way that gets the custom behavior you want (this is obviously the challenging part) 3. Compile the source code into a binary which you can run on your computer (it presents itself as an .exe with accompanying .dll files on Windows) The game client you download has already been compiled. While it is possible to edit the final binary as you suggest it’s not practical; that is not typically how you go about editing existing software unless you are really desperate

TsFreddie

they add new map features when mapper wants it

not alwayus

07:53

i added telegun because i wanted

07:53

nobody asked

07:54

so the reason is:

07:54

be a developer, and do it because you can

if it’s cool and well made then it’ll probably be merged

07:54

that is the law of da land

KUKUMBER

OK, thanks for the answer

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Development

07:55

a bit more info

Ryozuki

i added telegun because i wanted

did you test it with a map

ye?

07:59

how else would i know it works

you are a mapper then troll

troll

i am a mapper

200 iq

i have 2 maps

07:59

https://ddnet.org/mappers/Ryozuki/

kek

2015 wowo og mapper

chiller i heard u like rotating logs

08:44

https://docs.rs/tracing-appender/latest/tracing_appender/

tracing_appender - Rust

Writers for logging events and spans

pog

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6527 Fix `NET_MAX_CHUNKHEADERSIZE` `5` -> `3`

Probably has no big impact but 5 is just wrong. Was also casually fixed in upstream. https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/commit/c2e5771a15c35987b9e88057d579cfaeb0c36f8b#diff-706d36dc3648350992fd7fb372d2461cbddcec7ac79f1f905f329ada2bcda814L49

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage ...

09:59

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6522 Allow `#pragma once` and check rust bridge headers

Embedded image

10:01

xd

10:01

sus

yo @Robyt3 you look into the buffer size thingy right? I slowly have the suspicion that PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE is set to a too big value.

yes, I'm fixing the teehistorian tests. there is not reason to use CPacker, we can use a dynamic size buffer

10:22

no*

like how can a message payload buffer be 2048 bytes while the max packet size is 1400 those messages should be dropped anyways?

10:23

@Robyt3 i think there is because the chunk header contains a size field

10:23

which has a fixed amount of bits

10:23

imo nothing should work as it is right now xd

10:24

im super confused

10:24

https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/blob/7885c99974ee445ce13297b72ae3e7c6ea3b969d/doc/packet.md

libtw2/packet.md at 7885c99974ee445ce13297b72ae3e7c6ea3b969d · hein...

Some Teeworlds stuff in Rust. Contribute to heinrich5991/libtw2 development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:24

FFss ssss PPPP ssss

10:24

which is 10 bits for size?

10:25

1111111111 -> 1023

10:25

in my brain the maximum size that can fit in the chunk header is 1023

10:25

so PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE is way too big

10:25

but also nothing is breaking currently so im clearly missing something here

To which CNetMsg should i listen to in order to get the scoreboard ?

snap

TsFreddie

has anybody seen matricks all these years

He has been here lately a couple times Celebrate

Celebrate

We even did a vc with like 30 people and listened to gamedev stories from him

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

ae41ff3 Fix NET_MAX_CHUNKHEADERSIZE 5 -> 3 - ChillerDragon facbcfc Merge #6527 - bors[bot]

10:45

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6527 Fix `NET_MAX_CHUNKHEADERSIZE` `5` -> `3`

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6528 Use dynamic size buffer in teehistorian tests instead of `CPacker`

CPacker is simply used as a byte buffer in the teehistorian tests. When the number of UUIDs is increased (in the future or in downstream projects) the tests will start to fail due to the buffer size being limited to 2048 bytes. This is fixed by using an std::vector instead. Closes #6526.

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit tes...

Which snapshot should i record ?

How do you even record snapshots? Why don’t you just use the ddnet Client to generate the game over csvs for you?

I have access to snapshots through the npm.js teeworlds project but there are lots of them and idk how to filter for final scores and gameover event

11:43

Idk about the csvs, do they include the final scoreboards ?

Are you referring to this ? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/754/files/80737e9c572838e49892a5d9eae6a45e272edd84#diff-510b2ab72d0f0ccb0d055e95e85da9f7827453173bec16bf4e1976c58be423ca

CSV file instead of statboard screenshot by SheikhZayx · Pull Reque...

En-/Disable statboard being saved as csv

why did @TheDominator erase all his message?

yes

11:59

the help text says "Automatically create game over csv"

11:59

so im pretty sure this is what you want

Chairn

why did @TheDominator erase all his message?

Read in IRC xd

how do you think i know it was him?

1

12:05

Found nothing about that reason though

wait discord doesnt show who deleted the message?

12:14

cring

12:14

matrix does

ikr

12:14

now if matrix client would get good there is no need for discord anymore xd

i dont see that ever happening

12:14

element is so broken

12:15

anyways there is no need for discord or matrix since irc is 10/10 gaming messanger

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/12w1fha/why_cant_you_make_good_jokes_me/

r/ProgrammerHumor - Why can't you make good jokes? ME:

3,636 votes and 62 comments so far on Reddit

12:18

comment:

Your mom's so fat, she sat on a binary tree and turned it into a linked list in constant time.

xd

12:30

Yo mama so FAT, she has to be stored in files of 4 GB

thats not a lot xd

xd

12:33

are you making fun of the comment or are you saying 4gb is small?

12:34

its a filesystem joke because FAT32 has some kind of 4GB limit

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6529 Mouse in editor can get stuck in layer dragging state

Reported by ReyDeuce on Discord: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/23437060/233840853-0e2cf919-ce82-42d6-8116-651349c1e42b.mp4 >> How did you get into this state?

i dont know, i was just mapping and somehow i got stuck like that

As a workaround you can press Ctrl+Shift+S to open the Save As dialog, save the map and restart the game. @Marmare314 Do you want to take a look?

Learath2

He has been here lately a couple times Celebrate

Celebrate

We even did a vc with like 30 people and listened to gamedev stories from him

i'm so jealous

13:08

matricks is the 3rd most important swedish person who shapes my life.

recording the scoreboard is not interesting anymore

13:11

no one plays vanilla and score limits are set to 500+

13:13

whyy

what r u talkn bout bro

TsFreddie

matricks is the 3rd most important swedish person who shapes my life.

now leak top2 too is notch in? XD

notch and pewdiepie

ez

duh

magnus > notch > pewdiepie

13:26

change my mind

i mean magnus is latin for "big"

13:28

so it must be bigger than most stuff

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6530 Port line input and IME support from 0.7

Port the line input (UI edit boxes, chat, console) and Input Method Editor (IME) support from upstream. Closes #4397. General ------------------------------ Fix issues with the text input. Closes #4346. Closes #4524. Word skipping (when holding Ctrl) is overhauled to be consistent with the Windows / Firefox experience that I took as reference. Improve usability by not blinking (i.e. always rendering) the caret shortly after is has been moved. UI text input -------------------...

ChillerDragon

magnus > notch > pewdiepie

magnus carlsen?

13:32

omg it's happening

epic gamer moment

13:32

china gaming

we need to upgrade SDL for the candidate window though

do they offer a API for that now?

is there a reason blocking us from upgrading

no, but somehow the Windows API is broken on the SDL version that we are using

lol

13:33

weird af

13:33

and the other SDL bug u mentioned?

are you sure it is the version?

maybe they use the Windows API improperly so we can't get the candidate list for the current window

we modified SDL to have windowed candidate work

yeah, I tested with several SDL versions

13:34

it works perfectly on 2.0.18 and 2.0.20

ok

later versions also work, but there is a minor bug with the composition cursor movement

man, SDL is jank

https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/issues/7616 https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/issues/7639

IME composition cursor moves incorrectly in SDL 2.26.5, 2.24.2 and ...

For example when using the Japanese IME and typing "watashi" as "わたし" the caret should initially be positioned after the character "し". While the composition is active...

Composition cursor cannot be moved after accepting an IME candidate...

After you select an IME candidate, the composition cursor cannot be moved at all initially. If you select a candidate by using the up/down arrows, then the composition cursor will be positioned cor...

justatest

we need more chinese contributors in such libs

13:37

@TsFreddie

or japanese

TsFreddie

is there a reason blocking us from upgrading

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/4537

degraded perfomance on 15.8 on windows 11 · Issue #4537 · ddnet/ddn...

According to Rei ayanami on discord Says 144 fps don't feel like 144 and on 15.7 it feels smooth

TsFreddie

or japanese

although i think neither of them are really good at contributing to open source project in general

will it work on win 7 ?

win7 lmao

I believe so

chairn the necromancer

i don't think windows changed their IME stuff that much

i doubt chinese ppl use win7 xd

i can be wrong tho lol cuz i don't really know

Jupstar ✪

i doubt chinese ppl use win7 xd

why

bcs they only got rich in the past years

bro

so they all have pretty modern hardware

The Windows API should work even with Windows XP, assuming you have a working IME itself

i started with win95

13:39

when I was 4

u were rich before

jupstar once again living in a rich world

chairn, win10 works for u too

i wouldn't consider my family rich at all

u just lie to yourself

Robyt3

The Windows API should work even with Windows XP, assuming you have a working IME itself

well, i don't really care about IME, as long as your update doesnt break the game on win 7

TsFreddie

i wouldn't consider my family rich at all

but u are different tho, u even access discord XD

unless SDL broke win7, you should be fine

Chairn

well, i don't really care about IME, as long as your update doesnt break the game on win 7

doesnt matter tbh

13:40

win7 is dead

13:40

accept the truth

Jupstar ✪

but u are different tho, u even access discord XD

I mean I am different

i accept it, doesn't mean i gotta change

~~I'm smarter~~

TsFreddie

unless SDL broke win7, you should be fine

i think they even claim to be winxp compatible

but i don't think we are the only few family who has win95 lol

Chairn

i accept it, doesn't mean i gotta change

so the whole world should wait for an egoist? (edited)

I do want to know why people still use win7 tho

13:41

win11 looks pretty nice if it is just the look.

13:41

IMO

TsFreddie

but i don't think we are the only few family who has win95 lol

yeah but tbh, most new players are probs kids and not some old grannies like us

but they might have win7 infected parents

simply dont use windows, if u dislike newer windows

but they need STEEEAAAMM

better than using a dead OS

and fortnite

13:43

not sure if EAC on fortnite worked for proton now tho

it should

13:43

valve did so much for their steam deck release

also I lied

13:43

china doesn't have fortnite

ez

13:43

bcs gambling?

13:43

or addiction?

tencent got the license

lel

13:43

china is the best

but I think they didn't get a publishing id

13:44

so they can't commercialize the game

china will soon be the biggest economy in the world

they can technically just release it for free with no monetization at all, which is technically legal

13:44

but i don't think any company would do that lol

13:45

although technically legal does not mean safe

13:45

china is weird lol

i still wait for chinese revolution

13:45

has to come any time soon

i think china is still struggling to survive at all

covid protests were a slight hint xdd

i think we are running out of jobs

the educated jobs?

well ye

i see

they taught us to not be workers (edited)

13:47

now they only need workers

13:47

office jobs are running out

well germany has a similar problem, just that we are already very rich

lend me some money to make a game

13:47

i need it

ok how much do u need

idk. 100k usd?

ah yeah ez, i have that flying around

lol

13:49

i probably would do a crowdfunding if i need to make my own game

13:49

but I need a marketing team to do the crowdfunding cuz i sure am not qualified to market my game

13:50

so i need money to get the team to fund more money. (edited)

13:50

business!

13:50

lol

yeah, so what u saying is, u either need lot of luck, or be rich

i mean

13:50

yeah

13:51

that's how I see video games nowadays

13:51

or be famous i guess

yeah its kinda true. there are few exceptions but mostly yeah

what exceptions

13:51

i think the exceptions you are thinking might fall into the luck category

13:51

lol

e.g. i'd say stardew valley was hard work, and it was obvious it has a target group (harvest moon). so maybe not so much luck.. but maybe still luck

ye that make sense

but apparently he worked on it for 6 years

13:53

also not that ez xD

ye

13:53

well maybe depends on where you live

13:53

in china no way in hell you can survive 6 years without stable income

yeah

13:54

i wish i didnt waste the time between me being 18 - 25 so much xD

13:54

that were the golden ages

who doesn't

13:59

btw, any thoughts about unrecord ?

about animations, or graphics, or gameplay?

idk, anything

animations are insane, look real af. graphics are insane too, on mobile i didnt really see any problems. on desktop u see some lighting bugs and some assets arent high LOD gameplay.. well i guess it wont be the most epic game tbh, maybe the story will be good, we'll see

I saw the teaser last year, I always thought unreal 5 did all the heavy lifting and the post processing stack of limited dynamic range (which is not that hard I imagine) and animation (which is time and hard work) is the main part of the development I think.

first time i saw it on mobile i thought its really rather a video and some editing for the hud stuff

people seems to give too much credit about the rendering

14:01

that's what I thought anyway.

i mean he did a clever trick

14:02

a body cam is like a 480p video xD

14:02

i doesnt need to be perfect to feel real

ye, it's hell of a nice approach

14:03

i just don't think people commenting about it understand what is really at stake

14:03

also i'm jealous

TsFreddie

i just don't think people commenting about it understand what is really at stake

what really is at stake?

i really want standalone VR to have better graphics, but in VR you can't fake lower quality to simulate a higher quality

TsFreddie

i really want standalone VR to have better graphics, but in VR you can't fake lower quality to simulate a higher quality

yeah true

lots people are saying this might change VR

14:04

and they have no idea what they are talking about

14:04

lol

yep

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6531 fix transparency in grass_main

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#6499

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hi @Learath2

15:22

how are you

Excellent

good to hear

nekospin

better than last time we talk?

how are u is the question most people lie when answering

15:28

change my mind

15:28

for me its bothersome to say bad and proceed to explain shit

15:28

so just say good

poggers2

who also lied

15:28

oh wait i read that wrong

15:29

i don't think most people want a explanation anyway

15:29

I tried to explain what was going on once and the guy said I didn't really ask

15:30

poggers2

but do want to know how Learath2 is doing

I’ve been banned from having bad vibes, so I’m permanently happy now

3

lol what

15:34

where can i get banned too

a girl told him

15:34

he had no chance

justatest

15:35

what

U missed your chance, if only you were in off-topic when bad vibes were banned

that's why i'm gay man

men are always happy

15:37

*in front of others

15:38

this reminded me of this comment

15:38

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/yy2rcv/men_who_encourage_other_men_not_to_open_up_to/iwsae0r/?context=3

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15:40

good read

Ryozuki

men are always happy

i guess i'm not a man

it was sarcasm

also I realized this last month, if I can't look at others when i'm talking

15:50

does that mean i might be autistic

15:50

kek

idk

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6440 Improve envelope editor

TsFreddie

does that mean i might be autistic

it means ur interested in cs, math, or engineering

justatest

16:09

why

do u know the joke

16:13

how do u tell an introverted engineer versus an extroverted engineer

not really

the extroverted one looks at the other's\ shoes when having a conversation

xdd

i don't get it

16:18

i googled it and i get it now (edited)

16:19

i have to go to bed now

16:19

gn

Yo, I wanna request a change in using PNGs, since not all PNGs are rendered. I want a request, because we can optimize the images (thus shrinking resolution) to a degree, where it's not visually noticable change, but the size can vary between 20-80% improvement, which is big, considering, that we work with little Assets. This is a 60kB Asset, optimized manually

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16:45

And this is a near 16kB Asset, optimized by an algorithm (edited)

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@Jupstar ✪ new insult

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Sadly, I cannot use the algorithm type Asset, because the editor doesn't support it

Chairn

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/12w1fha/why_cant_you_make_good_jokes_me/

@Ryozuki

oh

16:46

i missed it

16:46

lmao

damn ping

i'm sorry

should be off by default

i'm not sorry

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ new insult

she must be insanely fat

speaking of python

no

16:48

we dont do that here

16:48

stop

when I was interviewed at google

MonkasGun

ok I'll just make a report on github

16:48

bruh

one interviewer asked me how much memory it consumes to have a dictionary with 1 million keys

16:48

I have zero idea

hmm

sounds like a dumb thing to ask but maybe it was important

TsFreddie

I have zero idea

weren't you allow to experiment with using code?

TsFreddie

one interviewer asked me how much memory it consumes to have a dictionary with 1 million keys

did he also tell ya

nope

xd

lmao

the size of the stored object, the size of the hash of the key, maybe something more there,

white board coding interview

Jupstar ✪

did he also tell ya

he probably did, i couldn't care less and can't really remember anything from the interview

16:50

would python just store all things as pointers since "everything is an object"

16:50

probably not tho i guess

storing as pointer doesnt mean it doesnt take memory

16:50

the pointee uses memory

ye, but I mean it probably doesn't matter how much the stored object take?

16:51

if they are all pointers that is

16:51

I highly doubt that tho

a dictionary uses hashes to store the keys

the question implied everything has the same size to me

into buckets

16:51

iirc

16:51

i actually neveri mplemented a dict

16:51

i should

i read one in c#

16:52

but that's about it

16:52

still, feels like a weird question to ask

whiteboard is stupid anyway

16:52

and u cant know how good a dev is in a high pressure environment like a interview

16:52

i often get blank when asked

16:52

cuz im nervous af

16:53

even at simple stuff

I think I was asked a robot path finding algorithm, a common tree parent set thing, a python dictionary memory usage thing and possible something else that I don't remember

16:53

and obviously I failed

16:53

lol

robot path?

16:54

u mean a*

16:54

?

just path finding but with no prior knowledge about the graph

i wouldnt know them by memory honestly

16:54

weird stuff

i don't know any existing path finding algorithm with no graph

16:55

building a graph as we path find doesn't sound great.

i think its just that

then the interview turns into just conversation about how hard robot path finding is

16:55

and i failed

ah

16:56

the key here is probs data structures to use

16:56

looks like k-d trees

16:56

Occupancy grid maps discretize a space into square of arbitrary resolution and assigns each square either a binary or probabilistic value of being full or empty. Grid maps can be optimized for memory by storing it as a k-d tree so that only areas with important boundary information need to be saved at full resolution.

>

k-d tree grid

idk

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it's just weird that you need to path find with a robot rather than just doing local avoidance and traverse the whole graph

16:57

path finding implies getting from one point to another i think?

go to sleep

ok dad

no worries son

ghost typers

3

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

d30ebf3 Use dynamic size buffer in teehistorian tests instead of CPacker - Robyt3 8f2df41 Merge #6528 - bors[bot]

17:57

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6526 Adding one more msg ex exceeds `PACKER_BUFFER_SIZE`

17:57

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6528 Use dynamic size buffer in teehistorian tests instead of `CPacker`

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in C? Who are you and what did you do to @Ryozuki ?

justatest

Chairn

Found nothing about that reason though

If he was banned then you can opt to delete all messages (either all time or from the past 24 hours)

19:10

IDK if he was

19:12

Hi Fred

Ryozuki

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Fun

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

7899391 fix transparency in grass_main - mindTW 4d39245 Merge #6531 - bors[bot]

19:29

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6499 transparency in grass_main.png

19:29

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #6531 fix transparency in grass_main

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@GutZuFusss: yea the guy is famous. He posted in this channel a lot. And on YouTube etc but I think he is inactive again

well that is because HE FOUND THE MAN FOR THE JOB

?xd

TsFreddie

just path finding but with no prior knowledge about the graph

Go from A to B, you don't know where A is, you don't know where B is, nor do you have any information about any paths? Ill defined question, I'd leave the interview

TsFreddie

one interviewer asked me how much memory it consumes to have a dictionary with 1 million keys

The only thing of note here is that the memory usage would be on the order of the element count. If he cares about the specifics of exactly how many bytes hit them with the "it's implementation defined"

21:06

but even if you knew the specifics of the implementation the key size and the bookkeeping overhead is negligible with respect to any sizable data, mostly a silly question unless they intended to have a discussion about this

GutZuFusss

well that is because HE FOUND THE MAN FOR THE JOB

Doubt that

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