DDraceNetwork - general

where does tee have a nose

Bro i played teeworlds 20 mins ago

Ravie

Dear sir, I sincerely regret to inform you, and it is with great sorrow, that you indeed have not come to the appropriate place in search of the ever so elusive love. Furthermore, you have broken local law, which states that you may only discuss Teeworlds related topics in the #general channel. I wish you good luck and much success in the continuation of your quest. - Yours truly, Ravie.

After having done extensive research upon the matter, I have come to the conclusion that the suspects message completes necessary requirements to be posted here. If you would like to divert your attention to the channel's description in which we are stipulating the rules, it does say that "Gameplay questions can be asked here".. Meaning that the defendant has the complete right and disclosure to send a message regarding a game related question. In the defendants case this a marital matter, endorsing the use of game related advice to be able to find a partner. There are no written rules regarding the use of text based transcripts being used to search for a legitimate sexual encounter.

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Blade

After having done extensive research upon the matter, I have come to the conclusion that the suspects message completes necessary requirements to be posted here. If you would like to divert your attention to the channel's description in which we are stipulating the rules, it does say that "Gameplay questions can be asked here".. Meaning that the defendant has the complete right and disclosure to send a message regarding a game related question. In the defendants case this a marital matter, endorsing the use of game related advice to be able to find a partner. There are no written rules regarding the use of text based transcripts being used to search for a legitimate sexual encounter.

What a gentleman

00:24

:>

amongu

I'm just trying to help a fellow gentlemen to find his future love

-StormAx

Bro i played teeworlds 20 mins ago

Well, so i get deep apathy cuz of life

00:25

And

00:25

Just dk what to do

cyberFighter

amongu

you cannot escape the amogus, and they cannot escape u

-StormAx

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INTENSE RAVE MOMENT

Just looking

turn off your christmas lights bro its almost summer

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Brooo

00:26

Stfu, im not in the mood rn

thats a reference

(⁠^⁠.⁠_⁠.⁠^⁠)⁠ﾉ

:cybersponge:

cyberFighter

turn off your christmas lights bro its almost summer

:souli:

headbot

Im not from pc, wanted send pepega gif

Oh nah

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where the cows

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hahahahah

00:34

legend

00:34

bring back the hd photoshop memes

lmfao

00:35

new thumbail

banner

the upside down one though kek

00:36

#FREENOIUS

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And look at mine low quality transitions xd

00:36

Is my yt banner

using new spectate smh

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LOL

00:37

SHOWROOM

already got a meme idea

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Pinky would never

that's @noby

Fake

05:05

noby blue

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oh classics are back

-StormAx

And look at mine low quality transitions xd

My high quality banner in the meantime:

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07:42

With 0 ddnet in it justatest

I mean you can create a server profile for this server

08:12

Then it can be only Teeworlds

default

Then it can be only Teeworlds

everything is teeworlds

13:24

everytime i run to the bus stop i try to use my hook but it doesnt come out so i just jump really awkwardly and scream "eeep" . people don't understand

sucks that the world map has double jump disabled (edited)

@bencie does the same but he actually has a hook, is that a moderator privilege ?

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Yes

hello do you have ddnet authority?

14:48

i am benbir daireyim

14:49

I was mistaken for a bot client for no reason

14:50

but i'm playing on steam

14:50

can you open my ban pls

@noby

dairecan

hello do you have ddnet authority?

I’ll start a conversation on it with the rest of the mods, since I wasn’t there I can’t unban you as I have no clue whether you were or were not botting, typically we recommend dealing with this type of thing in direct messages

okay

at this point mods should make a compilation of the first messages of the 'wrongly banned' users monkalaugh

dairecan

i am benbir daireyim

you have 11 previous bans making this the 12th time you get banned for cheating

16:57

i find it unlikely

16:57

that its mistaken

yep

16

5

Idk man. Looks like he is genuine.

17:23

I am using bots all the time and never have been banned

17:23

default

I am using bots all the time and never have been banned

Fr imagine getting caught, couldn’t be me

i had pizza pie for lunch today

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I'm doing a pie at the moment

matricks

I'm doing a pie at the moment

take a pic

20:23

I'll do it when it's coming out of the oven

what kind of pie

Cherry

20:31

This should probably be taken in off-topic...

yayyy

21:01

more crashes

do you have the crash logs?

cyberFighter

more crashes

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Crashes

Troubleshooting

Voxel

do you have the crash logs?

its just 1 crash that happened to me like 60 times by now

21:13

vulkan + steam + alt tabbing out of hte game

go in debug mode and find out why

21:15

i cannot reproduce it

21:15

maybe it has smth to do with russian letters

why russian letters

bcs pretty much all these complain come from russian ppl (or a russian person was on the server too)

21:16

anyway i never had it and could never reproduce it sadly

happens to me in servers without any cyrillic

but non ddnet?

those too

else pm me your full config, maybe i it's simply a difference in this

21:17

do u have assertion logs?

21:17

in %appdata%/dumps

nope

mhh then maybe your GPU driver that causes it, thought its the alt tab bug others have

Jupstar ✪

else pm me your full config, maybe i it's simply a difference in this

its just vulkan + steam overlay or whatever

21:19

anything else doesnt crash

whats your GPU, whats your driver version?

where do i check that

start ddnet press f1

21:20

purple text

2023-03-14 22:20:11 I gfx: GPU vendor: AMD 2023-03-14 22:20:11 I gfx: GPU renderer: AMD Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series 2023-03-14 22:20:11 I gfx: GPU version: Vulkan 1.2.133 (driver: 2.0.137)

maybe simply dont use vulkan then

21:21

hd 8400 sounds really old

Jupstar ✪

hd 8400 sounds really old

hey at least it works

cyberFighter

hey at least it works

yep but always remember vulkan is from 2016

Hey @Jupstar ✪, got a Q for you

maybe i got the A

cyberFighter

hey at least it works

is vulkan important to you, OpenGL 3.3 should perform okish enough?

jesus opengl 3.3 is slow at starting up the game

21:23

i do not use 4k skins

oh really? thats weird tbh

Would you be up for doing a walktrough/overview/qa about how the ddnet development is structured?

the development process or the source code?

development process

my game cant even go at 60 fps when i look at the leaderboard with opengl

21:24

xd

@cyberFighter wtf? What are you running on? A moldy potato?

cyberFighter

my game cant even go at 60 fps when i look at the leaderboard with opengl

as much as i'd like to help you, amd's latest drivers for your card are from 2021.. so it sounds like they dont care anymore

matricks

@cyberFighter wtf? What are you running on? A moldy potato?

probably

matricks

development process

i mean we can try

Jupstar ✪

i mean we can try

I'm genuinely curious how you deal with all requests, infrastructure etc

ah you want to know about hosting ddnet? I am not part of ddnet as a game service

Well, I'm curious about that as well, but this was more about feature requests, pull requests, build pipelines, issue tracking etc etc

@matricks i think its pretty simple, in part because we dont have many devs, usually there is an issue, and a pr that fixes it, you cant merge ur own pr, another has to bors r+ it, if its a features thats new, it is usually discussed beforehand, and lately we are against adding options, specially for enabling old vs new stuffs

21:29

btw the most discussed feature is: accounts

Ryozuki

btw the most discussed feature is: accounts

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411

Accounts · Issue #3411 · ddnet/ddnet

If anyone wants to summarize the discussion, feel free to. I just wanted to create the issue now.

21:30

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Ryozuki

btw the most discussed feature is: accounts

That discussion dates back to my days

btw long ago i made a blog about ddnet code, altho its one of my first and my writing sucks: https://edgarluque.com/blog/intro-to-ddnet/

An intro to the DDraceNetwork game source code

An introduction to the ddnet source code.

21:32

i also made this wiki page

21:32

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Development

Development

21:32

not much tho xd

21:33

getting into ddnet coding is hard, and i think it kinda will always be

Ryozuki

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Development

This game uses its own Entity Component System, the main class to which all other entities derive from is CEntity located in src/game/server/entity.h.

21:33

That sentence is just wrong

feel free to edit it :D

Ryozuki

feel free to edit it :D

I have to create an account... Let's have that discussion

u dont need a email

Ryozuki

feel free to edit it :D

It's a classical hierarchical/OO entity system

matricks

Well, I'm curious about that as well, but this was more about feature requests, pull requests, build pipelines, issue tracking etc etc

oh ok then lets do it structured: Issues:

Either a developer creates an issue that is posted in #bugs (or ofc the dev himself noticed the bug)
We try to motivate ppl to create issues themself too
a maintainer should™️ label issues for easier searching, but its often not done or forgotten PRs:
Since its open source ofc there isn't really any kind of motivation that isn't created by the persons themself. I think we have a unwritten rule to try to be especially friendly to people that are first time contributors. But sometimes they have really weird PRs xD
PRs always go thorugh our CI, we have some code testing, UBSAN/ASAN and even very few runtime testing, and an okish static analyser (clang-tidy)
Code should automatically be formatted by clang-format, which should be easy to use on most IDEs, else you can run a script to format the code
Reviewing happens mostly by a single maintainer, that is willed or motivated. Generally i feel like most maintainers are only 50% motivated to review and often we merge broken stuff xDD
to minimize this problem we have a github template that say stuff like: [] tested code, [] changed no physics, etc. releases:

I think deen tries to not make too many new features in a new release, since often some patches are needed. Rule of thumb is maybe 1-3 month cycle Generally i think it's a good style to fix the bugs you caused relatively quick. But again since its open source we also have some long standing issues, most commonly the editor is broken. ( i cant remember it ever worked lmao )

matricks

It's a classical hierarchical/OO entity system

iok i changed it

21:39

But sometimes they have really weird PRs

xd this so much, specially when they want to introduce a feature that sparks up lot of controversy

Jupstar ✪

oh ok then lets do it structured: Issues:

Either a developer creates an issue that is posted in #bugs (or ofc the dev himself noticed the bug)
We try to motivate ppl to create issues themself too
a maintainer should™️ label issues for easier searching, but its often not done or forgotten PRs:
Since its open source ofc there isn't really any kind of motivation that isn't created by the persons themself. I think we have a unwritten rule to try to be especially friendly to people that are first time contributors. But sometimes they have really weird PRs xD
PRs always go thorugh our CI, we have some code testing, UBSAN/ASAN and even very few runtime testing, and an okish static analyser (clang-tidy)
Code should automatically be formatted by clang-format, which should be easy to use on most IDEs, else you can run a script to format the code
Reviewing happens mostly by a single maintainer, that is willed or motivated. Generally i feel like most maintainers are only 50% motivated to review and often we merge broken stuff xDD
to minimize this problem we have a github template that say stuff like: [] tested code, [] changed no physics, etc. releases:

I think deen tries to not make too many new features in a new release, since often some patches are needed. Rule of thumb is maybe 1-3 month cycle Generally i think it's a good style to fix the bugs you caused relatively quick. But again since its open source we also have some long standing issues, most commonly the editor is broken. ( i cant remember it ever worked lmao )

HAH! One of the things I've said that if I would do TW again... I would never write an editor, it's just a waste of time most of the time

and they are always new contributors

Jupstar ✪

oh ok then lets do it structured: Issues:

Either a developer creates an issue that is posted in #bugs (or ofc the dev himself noticed the bug)
We try to motivate ppl to create issues themself too
a maintainer should™️ label issues for easier searching, but its often not done or forgotten PRs:
Since its open source ofc there isn't really any kind of motivation that isn't created by the persons themself. I think we have a unwritten rule to try to be especially friendly to people that are first time contributors. But sometimes they have really weird PRs xD
PRs always go thorugh our CI, we have some code testing, UBSAN/ASAN and even very few runtime testing, and an okish static analyser (clang-tidy)
Code should automatically be formatted by clang-format, which should be easy to use on most IDEs, else you can run a script to format the code
Reviewing happens mostly by a single maintainer, that is willed or motivated. Generally i feel like most maintainers are only 50% motivated to review and often we merge broken stuff xDD
to minimize this problem we have a github template that say stuff like: [] tested code, [] changed no physics, etc. releases:

I think deen tries to not make too many new features in a new release, since often some patches are needed. Rule of thumb is maybe 1-3 month cycle Generally i think it's a good style to fix the bugs you caused relatively quick. But again since its open source we also have some long standing issues, most commonly the editor is broken. ( i cant remember it ever worked lmao )

and yeah new features always create endless discussion

Do you find it's hard to keep code quality up?

matricks

HAH! One of the things I've said that if I would do TW again... I would never write an editor, it's just a waste of time most of the time

would you use some editor that already exists?

Jupstar ✪

would you use some editor that already exists?

Yes, and do some plugins/compilers where needed

i dont think its hard as is, but the protocol 0.7 stuff is annoying and adds unnecesary complexity

Jupstar ✪

would you use some editor that already exists?

Like Tiled for example, or perhaps even blender. Depends on what I would do

Ryozuki

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411

i would most likely first make the protocol and map format into a library of its own, most likely rust, and then use that in a standalone client, and a standalone editor, i feel like havingf ur own editor allows more creative and game-unique stuff

matricks

Do you find it's hard to keep code quality up?

code quality is generally not very high imho, but also not low robyte is basically the only one that sometimes does refactorings. Now that after 5 years of discussion we use c++17 and allow modern cpp it gets better. Also with some clang-tidy for readability. Speaking of logic. we still do so many in place features.. like not really modulerized code, but simply add an if branch somewhere where it fits and call it a day

xD

21:42

if ftw

21:42

dont look up the stoppers code btw

21:42

kek

21:43

#code quality #lifestyle

Ryozuki

i would most likely first make the protocol and map format into a library of its own, most likely rust, and then use that in a standalone client, and a standalone editor, i feel like havingf ur own editor allows more creative and game-unique stuff

yes i often thought about that. i understand both sides tho. Creating editors sucks and someone is always unhappy with something.. making it moddable is a hard task without e.g. like blender adding python deps or smth like that Simplicity and unique features are maybe often traded (edited)

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/762f1a1262609932d9f1d3bafe3c8896d4187eb0/src/game/collision.cpp#L841-L881

Jupstar ✪

yes i often thought about that. i understand both sides tho. Creating editors sucks and someone is always unhappy with something.. making it moddable is a hard task without e.g. like blender adding python deps or smth like that Simplicity and unique features are maybe often traded (edited)

creating editors suck, in our engine

21:45

i think using something like egui or imgui it would feel easier

Ryozuki

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/762f1a1262609932d9f1d3bafe3c8896d4187eb0/src/game/collision.cpp#L841-L881

Everyone's afraid to touch this obviously wrong code because who knows what maps depend on this very specific behaviour

if(m_pFront[TileBelow].m_Index == TILE_STOPA || m_pFront[TileAbove].m_Index == TILE_STOPA || ((m_pFront[TileBelow].m_Index == TILE_STOPS || m_pFront[TileAbove].m_Index == TILE_STOPS) && m_pFront[TileBelow].m_Flags | ROTATION_180 | ROTATION_0))
            return true;

xD

21:47

@matricks oh yeah, or devv workflow is also heavily limited by maps existing

21:47

we cant touch physics

Ryozuki

i think using something like egui or imgui it would feel easier

yes, tho i have been using egui a little bit, its not 100% stable enough found few weird edge cases already maybe its still too much under active development

Jupstar ✪

code quality is generally not very high imho, but also not low robyte is basically the only one that sometimes does refactorings. Now that after 5 years of discussion we use c++17 and allow modern cpp it gets better. Also with some clang-tidy for readability. Speaking of logic. we still do so many in place features.. like not really modulerized code, but simply add an if branch somewhere where it fits and call it a day

Fair enough. I remember I had a hard time allowing many PRs due to my standards that I wanted to keep. Adding CI etc might have leviated that. Dunno how much stress testing is done now a days

i found that ddnet has had such success by allowing wilder PRS

21:48

well its my opinion

Ryozuki

i think using something like egui or imgui it would feel easier

imgui is kinda standard in the industry now a days. You should be able to see influences of it in TW

Ryozuki

@matricks oh yeah, or devv workflow is also heavily limited by maps existing

I've given this some thought as well. How to build a structure to allow for a "game/engine" to push forward and keep compatability

21:50

I've said this before, I've had solutions for these kinda things before, but then I ended up taking bunch of shortcuts just to make a game and not an engine

21:50

btw, thanks @Jupstar ✪ for indulging me and my questions

21:51

I guess you guys have had discussions about splitting off completely off TW as well?

yeah sadly this is often a hard topic. i'd like to break e.g. map compability slightly.. for very simple stuff: e.g. quads need a clamping mode integrated. currently its always mirrored, so you cannot create a single quad cleanly. u need to subtract 1 from the UV coordinates so it doesnt bleed

matricks

I guess you guys have had discussions about splitting off completely off TW as well?

we didnt "had" them, we have them daily currently xD

21:52

its heinrich vs the rest

21:52

basically

matricks when talking about pie: this should be in #off-topic matricks when talking about development: yeah #general is okay

21:52

Alexander

matricks when talking about pie: this should be in #off-topic matricks when talking about development: yeah #general is okay

this channel is for teeworlds related chat, matricks is teeworlds related

justice for pie

breaking compat, im for it, jupstar knows it too

21:53

ddnet 2

i'd actually like to break it regulary.. maybe yearly

Jupstar ✪

yeah sadly this is often a hard topic. i'd like to break e.g. map compability slightly.. for very simple stuff: e.g. quads need a clamping mode integrated. currently its always mirrored, so you cannot create a single quad cleanly. u need to subtract 1 from the UV coordinates so it doesnt bleed

This started away before mods was a big things as well

Jupstar ✪

i'd actually like to break it regulary.. maybe yearly

XD

I wanted to change certain things in the physics to deal with some gameplay issues... but too many people had gotten used to how it flowed

Ryozuki

XD

well development currently happens so fast for so many different libraries.. just look at HTTP3 (QUIC). encryptions regulary change etc.

yeah

21:55

my first compat break is using rust, its a compat break because we rely on UB for physics

21:55

or maybe we no longer, but simulate it kek

21:55

the shotgun bug

matricks

Fair enough. I remember I had a hard time allowing many PRs due to my standards that I wanted to keep. Adding CI etc might have leviated that. Dunno how much stress testing is done now a days

I think having someone with high standards and a clear direction for the project is an important thing, we have way too many weird/useless/broken features that only exist because someone wrote the code and it compiled, so it got accepted

Ryozuki

my first compat break is using rust, its a compat break because we rely on UB for physics

If you wanna do that, redo it using fixed point to solve some issues as well

(edited)

matricks

If you wanna do that, redo it using fixed point to solve some issues as well

(edited)

https://docs.rs/fixed/1.23.1/fixed/

fixed - Rust

Fixed-point numbers

21:57

this?

Ravie

I think having someone with high standards and a clear direction for the project is an important thing, we have way too many weird/useless/broken features that only exist because someone wrote the code and it compiled, so it got accepted

There is a sweet spot somewhere. Too rigid hapers development etc

the twmap library by patiga uses it

Ryozuki

this?

Not a library in specific, just use fixed-point math instead of floating

aye

21:58

that lib looks high quality tho

Like in the old day. When men on the internet where real men, and women where men, and kids where FBI agents

wot xD (edited)

Ryozuki

wot xD (edited)

like super old quote from somewhere

ah i see

Since jupstar mentioned #bugs, when fix all the bugs I find in the Map Editor? You guys didn't change anything on map editor on nightly version as far as I'm concerned on checking YEP

probably derived from HHGTTG

Without auto save on map editor, I get constant crashes, and usually I'm the only one who finds them, how ironic

22:00

Next time imma ping Deen, he'll fix it for me xd (or I'll just make the issue to the github repo, ffs) (edited)

Ryozuki

wot xD (edited)

http://bash.org/?26967

xD

Cellegen

Next time imma ping Deen, he'll fix it for me xd (or I'll just make the issue to the github repo, ffs) (edited)

Next time make an issue, provide the crash log, the assertion log, a video explaining how to reproduce it and all related variables from your config

(and first check if the same issue already exists)

Wha, wha

22:03

on #bugs, right? where you post the bugs and supposedly devs fix it right? I posted:

the bug
the replication
the evidence / explanation video

22:03

what more do you want kekW

22:03

First check as a dev if it's replicatable, not my job, I'm here to report

22:03

and demand fix

@Jupstar ✪ Thanks for the chat, I'm gonna hit the hay, cheers man!

matricks

@Jupstar ✪ Thanks for the chat, I'm gonna hit the hay, cheers man!

have a good one

see ya matricks

Cellegen

on #bugs, right? where you post the bugs and supposedly devs fix it right? I posted:

the bug
the replication
the evidence / explanation video

arent u kinda dev too? just fix it xD

lmao I ain't touching ddnet's code

yes thanks for the chat vulkan man

22:04

but rust > vulkan, attleast in word count xD

22:04

i remembered that for some reason

Jupstar ✪

arent u kinda dev too? just fix it xD

But, I could've posted an issue on github repo, that's not the problem, the problem starts with having #bugs and he wants me to post an issue regardless

Ryozuki

but rust > vulkan, attleast in word count xD

i've to change that

How's #bugs moderated at all if he wants me to make an issue on github?

@Jupstar ✪ level up ur not close

Cellegen

How's #bugs moderated at all if he wants me to make an issue on github?

sometimes devs create an issue

22:05

often they ignore bugs

22:05

xd

22:05

i try to sometimes ping the dev

The last bug you reported is already fixed in nightly as far as I can tell

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ level up ur not close

vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan

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xD

And you didn't mention it to me?

i mean nobody here is ur maid xd

Ok, good to know justatest

Well, I asked if you are using nightly and you said you didn't

22:07

Using nightly to check if the bug is still present is also a good idea before reporting

22:08

Bugs reported in #bugs are sometimes forgotten, issues on github are more often looked at

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22:08

I guess nobody scrolls up a discord channel 20 pages to look for old bug reports

just solved a problem that's been plaguing me for months (client periodically freezing up for a couple seconds) by switching from opengl 3.0.0 renderer to vulkan renderer brownbear