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Voxel
i wonder what itd be like if ddnet was written in assembly
you can compile c++ to assembly
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why would you need tw in assembly
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@Voxel
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nvm
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forget it
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i wanted to show u something funny but u wouldnt have liked it
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good night
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Roller coaster Tycoon was written in assembly
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Which is insane
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assembly != assembly
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x86 assembly is really what the CPU would also parse, so some number represents a OP code
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reverse engeneering it does not result in having any information ins human readable string form
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Ravie
you can compile c++ to assembly
Machine code*
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Assembly is only the humans translation
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You can code in it. But that's not what compilers compile to.
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at least gcc can compile to some human readable assembly tho
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You cry about hard to read assembly. Then you never looked at vmprotect.
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yeah obfuscation and packing sucks for reverse engeneering
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Jupstar ✪
at least gcc can compile to some human readable assembly tho
How would that work. Silly C# dev here.
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Is it translating then instead of compiling?
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there are simply human readable assembly languages so yes as you said, its more a translation
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# wtf.c:46: child(shared); mov rax, QWORD PTR -40[rbp] # tmp100, shared mov rdi, rax #, tmp100 call child # # wtf.c:47: break; jmp .L5 # .L4: # wtf.c:43: for(int i = 0; i < NUM_CHILDS; i++) { add DWORD PTR -24[rbp], 1 # i, .L3: # wtf.c:43: for(int i = 0; i < NUM_CHILDS; i++) { cmp DWORD PTR -24[rbp], 3 # i, jle .L6 #, .L5: # wtf.c:51: if(forked == 0) { cmp DWORD PTR -20[rbp], 0 # forked, jne .L7 #, gcc -S -masm=intel wtf.c -fverbose-asm -o test.asm this is what i get with gcc i mean they were nice enough to explain every line
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but ofc its not very readable still 😄
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llvm also outputs asm
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with comments
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Banking regulators devised a plan Sunday to shore up deposits at Silicon Valley Bank, a critical step in stemming a feared panic.
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capitalism trying to resurrect itself
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It'll take a much bigger crisis than this to actually kill it. People aren't as overleveraged as in 2008 and even that one failed to kill it
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Some liquidity issue at banks isn't that big of an issue, atleast yet
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Learath2
It'll take a much bigger crisis than this to actually kill it. People aren't as overleveraged as in 2008 and even that one failed to kill it
hn_throwaway_99 13 hours ago | next [–]
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Yellen and the FDIC is in a tough spot. This is the important line, "Any losses to the Deposit Insurance Fund to support uninsured depositors will be recovered by a special assessment on banks, as required by law."
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Thus, on one hand, I'm glad they're doing this, as it should help prevent wider bank runs, and it ensures that banks are the ones that are actually paying for it.
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At the same time, this is yet another example of changing the rules in the middle of the game. Yellen has just broadcast that FDIC insurance is essentially unlimited, as long as you can threaten wider disruption to the economy.
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I understand part of this is human nature but I really wish we could plan for these entirely foreseeable events ahead of time so that it's not just cases of "selective justice" with regards to who gets bailed out.
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laws are for the poor
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Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor
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this is hilarious cuz, i had some stocks in a spanish bank, and they were going up quite well, until this
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where i sold
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kek
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They take incredible risk investing money they dont even have. When it fails everyone pays for it and they somehow come out even richer
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they say they are not bailing out the bank with taxpayer money
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but after all, the goverment itself is taxpayer money
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Learath2
They take incredible risk investing money they dont even have. When it fails everyone pays for it and they somehow come out even richer
banks always operate without bank runs in sight i think
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literally no bank can affort people going en masse withdrawing money
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Well that's what the central bank is for, but yes. A 100% bank run is not something you plan for. But USA has horrible liquidity requirements for banks (thanks clinton)
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In most sane countries banks have liquidity requirements that allow them to pay off a fair bit of the depositors before the central bank steps in
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guys, i updated my game
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now it runs at 240 fps!
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there are also other improvements
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like high score
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and the game gets harder the longer you play
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KannaSip
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@Learath2 i made rust-chan
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new pfp for this server
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kek
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@Ryozuki when are you gonna impliment the logo into ddstats
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Voxel
@Ryozuki when are you gonna impliment the logo into ddstats
the ddstats you know doesnt exist :x i reused the domain to put the datasette instance
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maybe i could put it as favicon
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i totally forgot ngl xD
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but well u got ur money :p
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was just wondering
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yeah its just me being me
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lots of projects
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and they end up abandoned probs
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xd
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Ryozuki
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did you train your ai? like with LoRa or anything? or just used checkpoints
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checkpoints
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tbh idk what lora is (edited)
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Devinci
did you train your ai? like with LoRa or anything? or just used checkpoints
Lumpy ◐ω◑ 2023-03-13 15:23:25Z
just wanted to let you know that I laughed a lot at your attempts to generate a waifu monkalaugh
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 i made rust-chan
Glad I got you hooked
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nouis
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so it's your fault
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whatever
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im slowly losing my will as an artist anyways LOL
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@Learath2 i think today i can fully relate to what U usually say
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Voxel
im slowly losing my will as an artist anyways LOL
why
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Ravie
why
the 50$ twinbop comission:
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Ravie
why
Because ai took er jobs
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Overlord
Because ai took er jobs
its deeper than that, but its inevitable
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one sec
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i dont think ai will straight up take ur job
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i know but i dont feel like i matter as an artist anyways
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theres much better people + i dont even do anything anymore
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i COULD do things but all id be known for is that stupid commision
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its not much about being an artist as a job, but rather people caring enough
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im not that good anyways so
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thats a common syndrome in developers
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i forghot the name
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impostor syndrome
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AMONGUS
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Voxel
its not much about being an artist as a job, but rather people caring enough
i think people will always be amazed at the skill of a artist no matter the AI thing, its just a matter of now removing "artists" that just use AI
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Ryozuki
impostor syndrome
@keb
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my sister gets paid 400€ for comissions xd
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cyberFighter
@keb
amoged!
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so what if there are better people, just have your own style and don't care and also I bet some people feel the same about you rn
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Ryozuki
i think people will always be amazed at the skill of a artist no matter the AI thing, its just a matter of now removing "artists" that just use AI
exactly.. no one cares about the process, they just care about the end result
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@Ravie yeah
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thats how i feel about all artists
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i cant do art, i know maaaaybe i could if i put practice, but im 2 lazy and i spend all my time coding
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Voxel
exactly.. no one cares about the process, they just care about the end result
i meant of real artists*
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@keb you know those like
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shitty ketchup containers in restaurants
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idk what they are called lol
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its plastic ketchup
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like le sauce holder
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this
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jts like
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not the packet!!! americans!!!
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no not those
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like
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i know cyber
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cyllinder and it has a cone at the top
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ur mom?
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cyberFighter
cyllinder and it has a cone at the top
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did you never see those
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wdym cyllinder..
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like
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uhhh
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oh the fucking
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papa's sauces
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@cyberFighter
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yeah those
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Voxel
exactly.. no one cares about the process, they just care about the end result
I mean the ai stuff only look impressive at first, once you look closer it's all smudgy and can't compare to real art where you see the brush strokes etc
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Ravie
so what if there are better people, just have your own style and don't care and also I bet some people feel the same about you rn
as an artist im always trying to 1up myself. i want to do something that will not only make others proud, but myself
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Voxel
as an artist im always trying to 1up myself. i want to do something that will not only make others proud, but myself
@keb when you get that green mushroom in mario games
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@cyberFighter whats the size for it (1 tile?)
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lol
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probably 2 tiles
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vertical
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THATS HUGE
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duhhh
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whats wrong
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comically sized saucer
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cyberFighter
@keb when you get that green mushroom in mario games
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the 2 words called "comically" and "oversized":
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Voxel
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is that dhaar man
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marrio kills gomba.. And RVEGRETS IT.. dharr man
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keb
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^ based SMM2 fan
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marios wants to take a piss... IN PEACE and gets caught off guard by GOOMBA
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oh dude
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the oco map
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is a reference
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to mario troll levels
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@cyberFighter new larl video 13 hours ago
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meta world!
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Voxel
as an artist im always trying to 1up myself. i want to do something that will not only make others proud, but myself
I can relate to this very much, but also just making random projects doesn't feel like I'm improving that much but if I look at stuff that I made a year or 2 ago, I think, damn I sucked back then
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Meta World is so meta
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don't spoil hol on!
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i am outta here
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noo
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Carl hot fiddled (edited)
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Ryozuki
thats a common syndrome in developers
common syndrome in a lot of places
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whats the legendary syndrome
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troll syndrome
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cyberFighter
whats the legendary syndrome
its called
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Lumpy ◐ω◑
just wanted to let you know that I laughed a lot at your attempts to generate a waifu monkalaugh
I swear someone cursed me. Anyways, now I also got my own waifu factory (even tho I still need more plugins 😎 )
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Plugins. Not really. Only if you want to generate images professionaly (earn money with it). (edited)
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Good checkpoint? Yes.
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Devinci
I swear someone cursed me. Anyways, now I also got my own waifu factory (even tho I still need more plugins 😎 )
Lumpy ◐ω◑ 2023-03-13 16:47:10Z
maybe that was the universe telling you to stop with the waifu justatest
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Plugins. Not really. Only if you want to generate images professionaly (earn money with it). (edited)
whatever I can get to have better results. Plus I find it really interesting how different models train to achieve what they want / how different samplings / techniques or whatever. I still haven't looked that much into it so idk much yet (and my pc is mehh) ^^'
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Lumpy ◐ω◑
maybe that was the universe telling you to stop with the waifu justatest
well, I crashed my whole linux OS trying to generate them. So I had to do it on windows kek 🥹
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@Learath2 news for u
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News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication
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it continues
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After two banks holding billions in assets were shut down by regulators, attention has turned to the broader banking system.
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Devinci
well, I crashed my whole linux OS trying to generate them. So I had to do it on windows kek 🥹
Lumpy ◐ω◑ 2023-03-13 16:58:58Z
just don't toast ur PC in pursue of a better waifu justatest
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we in for dark times ahead
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@Learath2 the "america" that loves "free market" pulled out the bank from the stock market
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Lumpy ◐ω◑
just don't toast ur PC in pursue of a better waifu justatest
too late. ngl I though I lost some files I didn't want to justatest
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Devinci
too late. ngl I though I lost some files I didn't want to justatest
Lumpy ◐ω◑ 2023-03-13 17:12:29Z
it's never too late to stop...
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inc more banks collapsing
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the true depression is coming
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im not a doomer kek
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yay another bubble's splashing
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wip I did this evening
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Ryozuki
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does that affect america only?
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does that affect america only?
usually what affects america bounces
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markets are all affected
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because its all about sentiment
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As long Euro is stronger even though we just keep printing. I am good.
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well muricans kept printing a lot during pandemic
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europe didnt much
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which is good
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printing leads to bad things if done too much
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ai is still far from real artists
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Well.... that's until you train enough to reproduce similar results.... But yeah, real artist creativity is leap and bounds over ai generated images
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i've once heard that a human neuron is x1000 more efficient than one AI neuron
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whether that's true or not, idk, didn't invest that much into looking that up (edited)
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but it shows that AI is also far behind in terms of what can technically support them
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But you can multiply ai neurons can't you (up to the limits of the machine, so idk how much can it be). So if that's true, i don't even know how relevant it is
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well, the human brain also has a gigantic amounts of neurons (edited)
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it does (edited)
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the complexity scales up with each connection
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so imagine the complexity of the human brain vs ai
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long ways to go
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anyway, i should start looking up things about neuron complexity
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to get more accurate insight
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instead of vagueness
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but well, it is really difficult for researchers to understand the brain
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really really hard
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we are still very far from it
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and there certainly is a reason for it being so hard
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For sure. I should also look more into it cause rn I know close to nothing x)
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Sphynx
well, the human brain also has a gigantic amounts of neurons (edited)
like, 86 billion
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that's not nothing
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and you consider that the neurons themselves are more complex
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researchers even found out that human neurons have something special in comparison to other animals, sadly can't remember it anymore
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Sphynx
i've once heard that a human neuron is x1000 more efficient than one AI neuron
huh, this actually wasn't just a saying
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Devinci
Well.... that's until you train enough to reproduce similar results.... But yeah, real artist creativity is leap and bounds over ai generated images
you'd have to train it on the exact same artstyle for it to really nail it
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y that's what I meant
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I think it's not fair to say that a human requires less data to "generate" images
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Because 1. Humans have evolved over milions of years
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2. We actually experience stuff every day
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So that a lot of "data"
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And an AI only has images + descriptions of the images
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As long none of you are Anti AI Art. #off-topic is cool.
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That movement is cringe. And is based on delusion that image generators can replace Artists. That case is similiar to how ChatGPT won't replace coders but stay a handy tool for coders to replace coders that don't use it.
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I think in the future ai might get much better
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You still need Artists though
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So it will never replace them
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Like 10x less
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I don't really understand how ai replacing humans can be bad
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People losing their jobs
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But that won't happen
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So it will never replace them
wdym, people are already using it. So artist are quite literally already beeing replaced. What you mean is probably ai art not beeing as good as the artists one.
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No. I mean what I typed. You can't replace an artist just because you know how to use stable diffusion.
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You.. can? An example of it would be the game whose assets got entirely generated by ai? (I think it was you who talked out it)
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as a game dev I won't ever need to pay an artist if I can generate all my textures with AI and polish / fix them with basic photoshop skills
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People losing their jobs
I don't think that's a bad thing because humans then can work somewhere else and also ai would make the product much cheaper which is good for consumers (aka everyone)
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pilonpl
I don't think that's a bad thing because humans then can work somewhere else and also ai would make the product much cheaper which is good for consumers (aka everyone)
Yeha, but you need different qualification, and in most cases ahrder ones
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ReD
as a game dev I won't ever need to pay an artist if I can generate all my textures with AI and polish / fix them with basic photoshop skills
Yea and you being able to fix it makes you an artist, no?
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So those "new" jobs aren't accessible for everyone
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I think we want to work less lol
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Yea and you being able to fix it makes you an artist, no?
no one talked about that tho
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But that's the point
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pilonpl
I think we want to work less lol
And still survive ofc
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the point is not paying artist for X asset
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for now yeah it needs skills but the trend is clearly that it will improve
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So Ia replacing humans
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Devinci
the point is not paying artist for X asset
Nah.
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and overall the entry point to creating professional art by yourself is lowered by alot, and that reduces demand for professionals (edited)
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Instead of paying 5 artists you can have only one that uses AI
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ReD
for now yeah it needs skills but the trend is clearly that it will improve
Not without Artists who maintain that stuff
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ReD
and overall the entry point to creating professional art by yourself is lowered by alot, and that reduces demand for professionals (edited)
Professional would mean you can earn with it. If you can't provide a file format with layers. You give away that you don't do these yourself.
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And that would mean you won't earn with it. Because no one pays for something they can do themself.
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pilonpl
I think we want to work less lol
i dont think people want to work less. they just want their job to be something they deeply enjoy, to the point of it not feeling like a job.
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I think "work" is defined by something you get paid for
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Default, we ain't saying that we want to be artist. But that we wont need to pay an artist to make whatever we want. Rn ai is not even that good, but just by training on a specific set of images you can already get pretty much whatever you want to use iit however you want
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they pay mostly for the service, not the decoration / design. That just helps selling it, depends on the media obviously though but like I said I think about game dev, or websites that use stock photos by AI (edited)
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pilonpl
I think "work" is defined by something you get paid for
People of course want to do something but not necessarily because they have to survive
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Devinci
Default, we ain't saying that we want to be artist. But that we wont need to pay an artist to make whatever we want. Rn ai is not even that good, but just by training on a specific set of images you can already get pretty much whatever you want to use iit however you want
Yea and my point is that AI will never replace artists because they power these.
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for now
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For ever
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it can definitely become auto sufficient
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These models can't create anything new
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Artists can create something new
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they do
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They don't
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with enough mutations
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These models can't create anything new
They can lol
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pilonpl
They can lol
They don't
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They repeat stuff that already exists and alternate it
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Thats not called creating anything new in my universe
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Dalle 2:
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Seems pretty original to me
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They repeat stuff that already exists and alternate it
with enough "alternation" it actually is
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pilonpl
Dalle 2:
Yet the horse had to exist on the internet before. As well as the astronaut.
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guess what that is the basis of all neural networks we are just the same thing like those deep neural networks, just way more complex
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Yet the horse had to exist on the internet before. As well as the astronaut.
Because we use language to describe what we want?
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That's the point kinda
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We don't want random image generator
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Then tell it to generate Teeworlds fanart
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It can't
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The ai needs to understand what is a horse if we want it do generate a horse
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ofc it can't. Go tell an artist to draw teeworld fanart. It wont be able to either xD
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Because they both wont know what it is
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They would be able to?
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An Artist can do research.
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Yes?
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An ia can do training?
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Which has to be predefined by humans
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Then tell it to generate Teeworlds fanart
somebody who has never heard about teewolrds can't either
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well, whatever
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Is this a repeated image with alternations? I think its pretty unique and I used chatGPT for the prompt, and midjourney to render the prompt. No creativity from my part
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ReD
Is this a repeated image with alternations? I think its pretty unique and I used chatGPT for the prompt, and midjourney to render the prompt. No creativity from my part
If you are really interested to reverse engineer an image. You could figure out what it used to generate your image. If you got access to the learnset.
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All of that stuff isn't new
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It can't create anything new
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It combines parts of its learned assets that fit your words (edited)
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And do you think humans create completely new stuff? No. we got inspiration from whatever we see / know
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>inventions were copied from something that didn't exist before
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That's what you are telling me basically (edited)
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Well both Ai and humans can do something new aka modern art, where U just do random dots and launder money
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Yea but the difference is. AI wouldn't have created Furry Art if it didn't exist before.
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>inventions were copied from something that didn't exist before
no, they were inspired by previous research that came from a long way of experimenting
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Someone on the internet one day decided to give a human figure fur (edited)
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ok i think you guys have a point, with ais having little to no imagination
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We use language to generate images so ofc it's not gonna be anything new if we can describe it in language
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i fed my boy into dalle 2 and all of these suck
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Imagine it not generating what you want
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That's what artists will exist for
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If what you want exists already and was consumed by the AI's. You obviously won't need an Artist.
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do you know how deep neural networks work? they find connections of neurons that fire together well / produce a wanted output. These deep neural networks have so many connections, it is impossible to reverse engineer all the logic ask chatgpt for a unique, new story and than tell me how it copied that. the level and complexity is so huge, it is layers above layers above copying. it resembles what we do, imagine thinks from our experience. Are we also not creating anything original? old question, it is naive to assume AI has no sense of creating something new IMO
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Yea but the difference is. AI wouldn't have created Furry Art if it didn't exist before.
You can describe what you mean by furry even if it doesn't exist
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It wouldn't do it. And if it does. It will not look like what you want/look terrible. Which is why Artists won't get replaced. (edited)
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Try to generate it with the models made out of art representing anime and or humans
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If you are so sure about it
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ReD
as a game dev I won't ever need to pay an artist if I can generate all my textures with AI and polish / fix them with basic photoshop skills
you may be able to generate some boring textures for models but you're not gonna make a game with environments and characters full of emotion without an artist
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if the ai had all the knowledge, and i mean ALL the knowledge in the world, then it'd be a problem
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Ravie
you may be able to generate some boring textures for models but you're not gonna make a game with environments and characters full of emotion without an artist
Yeah, but I could do it with basic / medium skills. Without needing a professional, and the trend is upwards in progress, that is my point
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"an astronaut riding a horse" also doesn't exist, we do not have a word for it or anything
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You just typed down the words
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So we have them (edited)
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And the AI understans words
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Real words
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That have meaning
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ReD
Yeah, but I could do it with basic / medium skills. Without needing a professional, and the trend is upwards in progress, that is my point
Yeah the audio/voice ones are real game changer
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And not something that doesn't exist
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It doesn't. It connects them with the learnset.
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I mean: 1) ai, generate me a seamless brick texture 2) find a fitting one to theme 3) edit & fix it Repeat, for wanted textures (edited)
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ChatGPT doesn't understand what you want from it either. It is just predicting words from preexisting human dialogues that it learned from.
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If you can't grasp the idea of AI generating images
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ReD
I mean: 1) ai, generate me a seamless brick texture 2) find a fitting one to theme 3) edit & fix it Repeat, for wanted textures (edited)
So you are an Artist
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have you ever looked into neural networks?
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Yeah, but I could do it with basic / medium skills. Without needing a professional, and the trend is upwards in progress, that is my point
well no, because an artist does more than create textures, it's like using pre-made assets with your own knowledge to create the environment which you can already do
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The ai understands what it means to ride a horse and it also understands how an astronaut looks like, it can't just copy "an astronaut riding a horse" from somewhere because such thing is (probably) notpresent in its dataset.
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It will replace a human riding a horse with one that wears astronaut clothes (edited)
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And thats only possible
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It will replace a human riding a horse with one that wears astronaut clothes (edited)
And therefore create something new
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Because it got pictures of an astronaut that humans described before
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Could also add horse to astronaut in space
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And therefore create something new
No
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That's not new
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