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AI won't replace people. People using AI will replace people not using it.
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Ravie
I mean the thing is, computers can't make art
That definition is wrong and very subjective
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That definition is wrong and very subjective
no it's not
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People made AI that made the art, so people made the art in the end greenthing
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SpangeBab
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@Souly @cyberFighter
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Ravie
I mean the thing is, computers can't make art
I'd say they can. But since art is subjective topic it would require to get feedback from humans and change their art based on that. So they aren't creative but technically artists
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But if u day computers can't make art BCS at the moment they can they aren't computers anymore, then maybe yes xd
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Blade
If life was a map then finishing first would be the best rank so are babies that get aborted like top ranked players
Naww thats some physic bug abuse. They didnt even touch startline...
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Knuski
Naww thats some physic bug abuse. They didnt even touch startline...
startline is coming out
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so babies that die the moment they get born are rank 1
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kid named moment
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there is no kid named moment
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kid named no kid named moment
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@Jupstar ✪ art is by definition a way to express emotion, how can something with no feelings ever create art?
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There is no generally agreed definition of what constitutes art,[4][5][6]
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Art is the purest form of subjectivity
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heinrich5991
There is no generally agreed definition of what constitutes art,[4][5][6]
that doesn't contradict the first paragraph
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even if that definition was right the general idea of art is still likely to be replaced, maybe it technically wont but it basically will. as far as most people are concerned, AI "Art" is considered Art, if people want a cool wallpaper or something they are likely just have an AI generate it, its far faster, probably cheaper, and comparable/better results (obviously not currently). That definition of art will likely become more niche, for people who do want pure, human made art
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people who just want a cool wallpaper don't pay an artist anyway, they download a random one from google
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Ravie
that doesn't contradict the first paragraph
I wanted to say that "art is by definition a way to express emotion" is a bold statement that I find too narrow
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ai can best be good at imitating things that have already been made by humans, not come up with anything new that has emotion behind it
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Ravie
people who just want a cool wallpaper don't pay an artist anyway, they download a random one from google
sure, but thats just a general example
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Ravie
ai can best be good at imitating things that have already been made by humans, not come up with anything new that has emotion behind it
But isn’t every human inspired by other human made things?
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I don't think most are going to care for emotion in most cases, people are clearly interested in AI art, so if it continues improving it will probably replace/dominate art
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So they’re also just „imitating“
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it doesnt have to have emotion for people to want it
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heinrich5991
I wanted to say that "art is by definition a way to express emotion" is a bold statement that I find too narrow
I mean the page that you quoted says that "Art is a diverse range of human activity" and the part that you quoted only refers to the fact that art can have many forms, as long as it's used by a human to express himself
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Broso56
it doesnt have to have emotion for people to want it
Rich people who think they understand every emotion behind an art piece before buying it for millions would still want to buy/trade traditional art I assume
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Iza
Rich people who think they understand every emotion behind an art piece before buying it for millions would still want to buy/trade traditional art I assume
yea, there are definitely people who do want emotion behind art, but the general public i'd imagine isnt going to avoid ai art because it doesnt have emotion
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Humans can also imitate other people's art, and I'd still consider it to be art just the same, even if it's not completely original, for example tracing the outline of someone else's art
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i love ravie!!!!!
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Ravie
@Jupstar ✪ art is by definition a way to express emotion, how can something with no feelings ever create art?
Well who says that they never can feel
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It's simply not chemical feelings
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Jupstar ✪
Well who says that they never can feel
they can't, it's all ones and zeros, even if it can make convincing imitations
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Jupstar ✪
Well who says that they never can feel
The same people that made these ai machines are saying that they don’t feel
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We are also just ones and zeros
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nah we're a lot more complex than just a purely logic based thing
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Well that's what u believe
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We are ones and zeros but inflicted by emotions, even if it messes with our logical thinking
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There is no proof for either side
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Iza
We are ones and zeros but inflicted by emotions, even if it messes with our logical thinking
Who said emotions are not a logical thing?
12:57
Maybe we are just to stupid to understand them
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Jupstar ✪
Who said emotions are not a logical thing?
In the world that we built it’s rather good to have logical thinking
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there are many biological and chemical processes involved, also things like personality and pure randomness
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Maybe we need infinite time to proof emotions, that still wouldn't mean they aren't logical
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Pure randomness is?
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Not proof able result in finite time?
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I mean that a lot of random things influence how we feel as well
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Question is, are they random?
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If they are random why would a computer not be influenced by them
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how do you make it influenced by them (edited)
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while humans also learn from art made by other humans, art as a whole didn't magically appear, but is the result of centuries of progression our sense of expression, which the art comes from, is something we have to artificially teach programs. I currently would agree that we might need to differentiate between different kinds of 'art' there.
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If we have a connection to whatever dimension or so. That only humans have, then yes. Maybe we can't create ais that are close to humans
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Ravie
ai can best be good at imitating things that have already been made by humans, not come up with anything new that has emotion behind it
I dont agree really, ai is a tool and the user can bring the emotion into it, by knowing how to use the tool some pics I made with AI
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Jupstar ✪
Question is, are they random?
I don’t think there is true randomness
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Iza
I don’t think there is true randomness
how would you define "true randomness" so we could give you an example of it
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Why else would the universe be built so logically that it can be explained with equations and what not
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ReD
I dont agree really, ai is a tool and the user can bring the emotion into it, by knowing how to use the tool some pics I made with AI
depends how much emotion the human brings into it, photography is also art and only requires the artist to press a button on the camera, but not all photos are artistic
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heinrich5991
how would you define "true randomness" so we could give you an example of it
Something that you truly can’t "calculate "
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radioactive decay
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Ravie
depends how much emotion the human brings into it, photography is also art and only requires the artist to press a button on the camera, but not all photos are artistic
I agree 👍
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of a single radioactive atom
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Maybe we just haven’t figure out how to calculate it
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ReD
I dont agree really, ai is a tool and the user can bring the emotion into it, by knowing how to use the tool some pics I made with AI
but that 'emotion' in those pictures are purely derivative, opposed to what humans are capable of (se https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/252358080522747904/1083736394192670751)
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so if we say that a skilled human uses an ai tool to create something, that's no more purely ai made, and it won't be a replacement for all the other mediums of art (edited)
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Iza
Maybe we just haven’t figure out how to calculate it
according to current theories, it's just random and uncalculatable. is there anything I could say where you wouldn't just say "maybe we don't know how yet?"
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We are all deriving from everything our brain is also a neural network that produces a new output from previous learned connections
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if there's nothing, then your definition basically includes that there cannot be "true randomness"
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I think "creativity" does not exist in the physical word, it is simply a layer ontop of a layer of neurons that simply fire into each other (edited)
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A random number generator that is non random but requires more time to get the next value from than there is time in our universe would also be random to us
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BCS we will not be able to proof the randomness
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ReD
We are all deriving from everything our brain is also a neural network that produces a new output from previous learned connections
but art was created by humans, defined by humans art developed a lot, and if the art ai would've started in the middle age, it wouldn't have come up with more modern art ever, I think
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heyho you philosophers (edited)
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Patiga
but art was created by humans, defined by humans art developed a lot, and if the art ai would've started in the middle age, it wouldn't have come up with more modern art ever, I think
But if it has human feedback? Like artists also do
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Then it could learn from it just like now
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I think "creativity" does not exist in the physical word, it is simply a layer ontop of a layer of neurons that simply fire into each other (edited)
if it's that simple then why do we still not fully understand how the human brain works?
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because the complexity and therefore number of connected neurons is absolutely gigantic
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Which is why the AI is not on our level of creativity
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heinrich5991
according to current theories, it's just random and uncalculatable. is there anything I could say where you wouldn't just say "maybe we don't know how yet?"
I don’t know alot about radioactive decay but I know that as humanity progressed, we figured out how to calculate more and more things. Probably back then humans also thought that gravity is something random, while nowadays it can be specifically calculated. It could be that we’re able to calculate things in a hundred years that we thought it was impossible to do so, or it could also be that we will never figure out how to calculate them. That doesn’t mean that they’re impossible to calculate tho
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Jupstar ✪
But if it has human feedback? Like artists also do
with the current ai models I don't think that progression is possible assuming it will be possible, good point. however, I think the human who does the feedback would need to do at least as much work as when the human would just create the art themselves
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Iza
I don’t know alot about radioactive decay but I know that as humanity progressed, we figured out how to calculate more and more things. Probably back then humans also thought that gravity is something random, while nowadays it can be specifically calculated. It could be that we’re able to calculate things in a hundred years that we thought it was impossible to do so, or it could also be that we will never figure out how to calculate them. That doesn’t mean that they’re impossible to calculate tho
so you're saying that there's no true randomness because you can always just say "maybe it's not truly random"?
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ReD
Which is why the AI is not on our level of creativity
and it won't be for a long time if ever
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Ravie
and it won't be for a long time if ever
But that is the question.. if it can
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BCS u said it cannot be an artist
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Neanderthals were no homo sapiens and are still considered creative
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they had feelings xd
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did you see that one video of an elephant painting?
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So all nature things are somehow more special than artificial things?
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Maybe robots are the logical next step by nature
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The next evolution step
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And we are the tool for that
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yeah pretty much, any theory like "but what if we make computers feel" is just something that has been in sci-fi for decades
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heinrich5991
so you're saying that there's no true randomness because you can always just say "maybe it's not truly random"?
I don’t see why certain things should be random when the rest of the world is considered to be predictable
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And now we are closer than ever, even if we might be far away
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randomness is unpredictability
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Iza
I don’t see why certain things should be random when the rest of the world is considered to be predictable
what you're saying is "I don't want thing to be random"
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physics has stuff that it considers random
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because it seems like a good explanation
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random? not like chaotic?
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heinrich5991
physics has stuff that it considers random
no
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Sphynx
no
radioactive decay, for example
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you need to know the exact state of the entire universe to be able to predict everything
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that's impossible
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e.g. from wikipedia:
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Radioactive decay is a stochastic (i.e. random) process at the level of single atoms. According to quantum theory, it is impossible to predict when a particular atom will decay, regardless of how long the atom has existed.[2][3][4]
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heinrich5991
what you're saying is "I don't want thing to be random"
No I just believe that everything’s predictable because from time to time it was proven that certain "unpredictable" things were actually predictable in scientific history
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heinrich5991
e.g. from wikipedia:
simplification
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Iza
No I just believe that everything’s predictable because from time to time it was proven that certain "unpredictable" things were actually predictable in scientific history
this means you can never be convinced that something is unpredictable (edited)
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Sphynx
simplification
care to link a source?
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heinrich5991
Radioactive decay is a stochastic (i.e. random) process at the level of single atoms. According to quantum theory, it is impossible to predict when a particular atom will decay, regardless of how long the atom has existed.[2][3][4]
maybe someday this will be proven wrong tho. Like most of science as been contradicted over the course of history
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Devinci
maybe someday this will be proven wrong tho. Like most of science as been contradicted over the course of history
was it though? I don't think most science has been disproven
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quantum events are not deterministic they are based on probabilities and only happen (collapse) upon examination / observation can't predict those even if you know all states (edited)
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kid named ai: bro what did i do
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ReD
quantum events are not deterministic they are based on probabilities and only happen (collapse) upon examination / observation can't predict those even if you know all states (edited)
Do we know all the states? Do we know all the circumstances?
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Jupstar ✪
Maybe robots are the logical next step by nature
human neurons are very vastly superior to what current robots need
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No, because when we measure, we change the state
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Iza
Do we know all the states? Do we know all the circumstances?
do you agree that there's no way to convince you that there is something truly random?
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heinrich5991
was it though? I don't think most science has been disproven
flat earth, evolution, particles (waves or not). So... yeah. everything that we consider true could be disproven. Like how there may not be randomness? maybe
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Sphynx
human neurons are very vastly superior to what current robots need
Yes but that can change
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heinrich5991
do you agree that there's no way to convince you that there is something truly random?
Only time can disprove my belief, but until then I’ll be dead, so no not in this lifetime
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Iza
Only time can disprove my belief, but until then I’ll be dead, so no not in this lifetime
great, then why discuss it with other people? :p
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heinrich5991
do you agree that there's no way to convince you that there is something truly random?
Problem is quantum mechanics are not proven. Mathematically I'd say that this would mean that it's not proofable in finite time
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heinrich5991
do you agree that there's no way to convince you that there is something truly random?
why take this personal, that's not a proper discussion
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But we don't know if this really happens here
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Sphynx
why take this personal, that's not a proper discussion
why was this personal? I wanted to know if the discussion is interesting. if one party says that no matter what arguments come, they're not changing their position, that's interesting
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because it allows me to stop the discussion
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heinrich5991
great, then why discuss it with other people? :p
I had to figure out on which points you would agree with me
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I see
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I HATE PHONESS
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i was on 11% 3 minutes ago
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this discussion ended as fast as it began lol
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cyberFighter
i was on 11% 3 minutes ago
and it died
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i was dead asleep
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idk what else to add so i'll keep it dead
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@heinrich5991 hii
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@Voxel
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voxel
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VOXEL
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Voxel
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VOXEL ! ! !
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pissfighter
stfu or muted
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suxel
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what u want
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evil voxel be like: i will be changing my name to sexel because i had sex
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Voxel
what u want
to say hi
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and hello
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hi
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hi
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hello
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evil cyberfighter be like: today i won't troll
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kid named troll:
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Jupstar ✪
Problem is quantum mechanics are not proven. Mathematically I'd say that this would mean that it's not proofable in finite time
fwiw "proofs" don't really exist in science. It's not like math or logic
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I'm not even sure infinite time is enough to prove a scientific theory. What would a proof even entail? Not like we have "axioms of reality" we can boil things down to
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@Learath2 if u represent physics in math terms and u make a proof? xd
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idk im talking bs here xd
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Well problem is how do you guarantee that what you have represented is what is actually going on
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Like a mathematically sound theory can be completely wrong. I can say the velocity of an object in free fall is always 10 m/s and it'd be completely mathematically sound, yet physically insane 😄
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(but we do actually do something like this, when you have a theory that you have experimentally verified a reasonable amount, you can then look for mathematical curiosities within it and then try to verify those aswell)
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iirc higgs boson was discovered that way, it was predicted by the math way before it was observed (edited)
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Learath2
(but we do actually do something like this, when you have a theory that you have experimentally verified a reasonable amount, you can then look for mathematical curiosities within it and then try to verify those aswell)
So if I get you right, what you're saying is, that we trust the math enough based on other proofs, that we can "mathematically prove" something? 🤔 (edited)
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We build a mathematical model for the phenomenon we are trying to explain. Then we build trust for the model by doing experiments. After that if the model passes all the experiments we can think of, we sometimes find mathematical curiosities within the model which we can explore more with experiments. The judge of a scientific theory will always be experiment at the end of the day, math is just a tool here
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math proofs are solid iirc
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as long as the axioms hold
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An axiom, postulate, or assumption is a statement that is taken to be true, to serve as a premise or starting point for further reasoning and arguments. The word comes from the Ancient Greek word ἀξίωμα (axíōma), meaning 'that which is thought worthy or fit' or 'that which commends itself as evident'.The precise definition varies across fields o...
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Math proofs are solid with one asterisk in the way, godel's incompleteness theorem :/ (edited)
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oh true
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i forgot about that
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Sadly you can't have a set of axioms that can prove every fact about all natural numbers
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The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an effective procedure (i.e., an algorithm) is capable of proving all truths about the arithmetic of natural numbers. For any such consistent formal system, there will always be statements about natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system. The second incompleteness theorem, an extension of the first, shows that the system cannot demonstrate its own consistency.
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its hilarious cuz, yeah math may be broken itself
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but it feels so correct
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and logical
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But, honestly who cares this is just for math nuts, most math we use is consistent-ish enough, and it works for the things we do most of the time 😛
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interesting video about godel theorem
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As a working mathematician, the scariest part of incompleteness is that when I can't solve a problem, I don't know if the problem I'm working on is just really hard... or if it's actually impossible
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reminds me of programmign kek
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Well atleast in programming we have ways to classify our problems. P, NP, NC
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(though I do recall a similar theorem that says not every problem can be reduced to a finite set of classes, but my theoretical cs is very weak, we should ask our resident PhD)
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Learath2
But, honestly who cares this is just for math nuts, most math we use is consistent-ish enough, and it works for the things we do most of the time 😛
I agree in everything you both said. I was just confused what you actually meant 👍 And yes who cares. We humans have a tendency to land at "its good enough for me" and then we live with it. We used newton's math till Einstein came around with his fancy famous equation. Before that newton's was "good enough".
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If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid.
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but newton has problems in current appliances
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where we got more complex
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Fwiw, newtons is still good enough that we teach it and use it 😄
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Learath2
Fwiw, newtons is still good enough that we teach it and use it 😄
Yeah till we hit a very large scale. So "it's good enough" and it is.
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It's all relative 😉
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Thankfully scientists don't stop at "good enough" but for the rest of us it's great. Imagine having to solve GR equations to calculate how long it'd take an apple to fall from your desk to the floor
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Shout out to my boy Sir Isaac Newton, without him we'd all just be floating around
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But it's very interesting. I love that someone devotes their life's to study how the world around us work. I mean. Wtf is it lol.
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If any of you want to see a very interesting view on physics take a look at Lagrangian or Hamiltonian mechanics. It's actually quite brilliant. They do share the same inaccuracies that Newtonian mechanics has but it's such a different perspective
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It is honestly a little heavy on the math but if you have some background with differential equations it's not impossible to get through and there are very cute videos on youtube
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Another one of those perspective shifts that I'm always fascinated with is the fourier and laplace transforms. They can make problems that seem impossible possible
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Learath2
If any of you want to see a very interesting view on physics take a look at Lagrangian or Hamiltonian mechanics. It's actually quite brilliant. They do share the same inaccuracies that Newtonian mechanics has but it's such a different perspective
I asked chatgpt what the difference between the three is 😬😅 In summary it said that newtonian is force, hamiltonian is "phase space" 🤔 and Lagrange is about energy. Sounds interesting. I must admit I only know what differential is about, but I don't know how to apply it on anything. (edited)
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Lagrangian mechanics relies on energy, there is a fairly beautiful equation called the "Euler-Lagrange" equation, which codifies the "principle of least action". As in say gravity is pulling on an object, it'll go straight down, it'll take the least action, while obeying the rules.
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Learath2
Another one of those perspective shifts that I'm always fascinated with is the fourier and laplace transforms. They can make problems that seem impossible possible
yes
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A fast Fourier transform (FFT) is an algorithm that computes the discrete Fourier transform (DFT) of a sequence, or its inverse (IDFT). Fourier analysis converts a signal from its original domain (often time or space) to a representation in the frequency domain and vice versa. The DFT is obtained by decomposing a sequence of values into componen...
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this is life changing
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Hamiltonian mechanics I'm less familiar with, but as far as I understand it the fact that it splits the euler-lagrange equations into two first order equations instead of a single second order equation makes it much easier to work with in the context of phase spaces
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The fact that this works out is so bizarre it almost feels lucky 😄
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Ah yes. I was about to ask if this was the equation used in sound production
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I've seen that video already. It's very interesting
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ast Fourier transforms are widely used for applications in engineering, music, science, and mathematics. The basic ideas were popularized in 1965, but some algorithms had been derived as early as 1805.[1] In 1994, Gilbert Strang described the FFT as "the most important numerical algorithm of our lifetime",[3][4] and it was included in Top 10 Algorithms of 20th Century by the IEEE magazine Computing in Science & Engineering.[5]
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This is how mp3 works IIRC?
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Compression
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it has many appliances
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They chop of frequencies we can't hear by the use of this equation if I'm not mistaken?
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"FFT based multiplication of large numbers "
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Multiplication of large numbers of n digits can be done in time O(nlog(n)) (instead of O(n2) with the classic algorithm) thanks to the Fast Fourier Transform (FFT). This page presents this technique along with practical considerations.
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They chop of frequencies we can't hear by the use of this equation if I'm not mistaken?
That's the idea of most music formats, you take the fourier transform and do some processing including chopping frequencies and attenuating some, etc.
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Iza
I don’t think there is true randomness
there is in quantum theory
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and the fact that we can recover the original signal from the sampled signal is also extremely bizarre, like you'd think it has to be impossible, but no it's very possible 😄
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there is in quantum theory
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But we can't call it random just yet as we can't just explain what exactly affects the sequence
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance
But we can't call it random just yet as we can't just explain what exactly affects the sequence
The issue here is that as heinrich pointed out this discussion becomes useless if you take it as a fact that there are no random processes
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Chaos theory is an interdisciplinary area of scientific study and branch of mathematics focused on underlying patterns and deterministic laws of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, and were once thought to have completely random states of disorder and irregularities. Chaos theory states that within the apparent ran...
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Any process I claim is random, you can claim I just don't know the reason to yet
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Jupstar ✪
Problem is quantum mechanics are not proven. Mathematically I'd say that this would mean that it's not proofable in finite time
you cannot proove physics, you just accumulate evidences
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Nvm I can't remember one fucking most important word
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Learath2
Any process I claim is random, you can claim I just don't know the reason to yet
Which is fair, but as far as our most sophisticated theory yet to be disproven says, some of these processes are indeed random. I think you'd have to bring evidence of equal quality before saying such a thing
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@Learath2 if u represent physics in math terms and u make a proof? xd
you can make use axioms that are based on observation, but that doesn't mean those are physically true
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The issue here is that as heinrich pointed out this discussion becomes useless if you take it as a fact that there are no random processes
Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 18:26:45Z
Definitely quantum randomness doesn't affect the world that much so we get pure random ideas of the messages we write
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Every word you type is moslty a result of every moment of your life
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That is more on the philosophical side, more the question of whether there is free will
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(though I do recall a similar theorem that says not every problem can be reduced to a finite set of classes, but my theoretical cs is very weak, we should ask our resident PhD)
dunno if you talk about me, but im not a CS phd, only a cpu designer phd 🙂
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dunno if you talk about me, but im not a CS phd, only a cpu designer phd 🙂
Along your way to cpu designer phd I'm sure you encountered more cs than me 😄
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cpu designer phd sounds cool (edited)
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dunno if you talk about me, but im not a CS phd, only a cpu designer phd 🙂
does phd give you a right to study in any university?
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@Chairn why did u decide to be a teacher tho? and not pursue a job at intel or amd? (edited)
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Another one of those perspective shifts that I'm always fascinated with is the fourier and laplace transforms. They can make problems that seem impossible possible
solving differential equations with Laplace transforms is really a funny stuff imo
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That is more on the philosophical side, more the question of whether there is free will
Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 18:29:42Z
I wouldn't call it philosophical, our brain is kinda a randomn't computer so it's physiological or even mathematical
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solving differential equations with Laplace transforms is really a funny stuff imo
Bizarre, no? 5th order differential equation suddenly becomes just algebra, wtf
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Would be literal pain in time domain, if possible at all
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this is life changing
move on to wavelet transform now 😉
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never heard of it
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance
Every word you type is moslty a result of every moment of your life
In computer terms: a nerual network 🤙
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But we can't call it random just yet as we can't just explain what exactly affects the sequence
we can?
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In computer terms: a nerual network 🤙
nah
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we can?
Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 18:31:52Z
Is it random cuz quantum randomness?
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Wavelets have some slight benefits over Fourier transforms in reducing computations when examining specific frequencies. However, they are rarely more sensitive, and indeed, the common Morlet wavelet is mathematically identical to a short-time Fourier transform using a Gaussian window function.[14] The exception is when searching for signals of a known, non-sinusoidal shape (e.g., heartbeats); in that case, using matched wavelets can outperform standard STFT/Morlet analyses.
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nah
It is based on neurons afaik 🤔 (edited)
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Ryozuki
cpu designer phd sounds cool (edited)
that's roughly what i do, although i worked more on non cpu designs actually 😄
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It is based on neurons afaik 🤔 (edited)
why in computer terms tho
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does phd give you a right to study in any university?
not really afaik. But it does grant you the right to teach in any university (as long as you're recruited)
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wavelets scare me
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why in computer terms tho
Because I thought we were all geeks in here 😅😂
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@Chairn why did u decide to be a teacher tho? and not pursue a job at intel or amd? (edited)
i like teaching, but im also doing research, both at the same time. Well, currently, mostly teaching, but in april i'll have more time for research
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but isnt it true u may also get research opportunities at a company? and with way more funding
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i like teaching, but im also doing research, both at the same time. Well, currently, mostly teaching, but in april i'll have more time for research
the true hero of our world xd
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never heard of it
A wavelet is a wave-like oscillation with an amplitude that begins at zero, increases or decreases, and then returns to zero one or more times. Wavelets are termed a "brief oscillation". A taxonomy of wavelets has been established, based on the number and direction of its pulses. Wavelets are imbued with specific properties that make them useful...
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i like teaching, but im also doing research, both at the same time. Well, currently, mostly teaching, but in april i'll have more time for research
take me as a research student, we can work on teeworlds asic
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but isnt it true u may also get research opportunities at a company? and with way more funding
but no teaching 😦
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take me as a research student, we can work on teeworlds asic
well, maybe one day 😄
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@Chairn cpu designer sounds fascinating. Isn't it like designing an entire city? It looks like one when you zoom in on the die 😋
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but i do have a quesiton for you @Learath2, you seem to have some physics knowledge, so are you in engeneering school or university?
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I ordered way too much food :/
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@Chairn cpu designer sounds fascinating. Isn't it like designing an entire city? It looks like one when you zoom in on the die 😋
we mostly use hardware description language, so it's more like C codebase
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but i do have a quesiton for you @Learath2, you seem to have some physics knowledge, so are you in engeneering school or university?
I'm at a polytechnic. Soooo idk, middle of the two? 😄
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Wavelets have some slight benefits over Fourier transforms in reducing computations when examining specific frequencies. However, they are rarely more sensitive, and indeed, the common Morlet wavelet is mathematically identical to a short-time Fourier transform using a Gaussian window function.[14] The exception is when searching for signals of a known, non-sinusoidal shape (e.g., heartbeats); in that case, using matched wavelets can outperform standard STFT/Morlet analyses.
wavelets transform keep spatiality in the output while Fourier doesn't
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Torino?
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Torino?
Yep
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we mostly use hardware description language, so it's more like C codebase
Wow I didn't know about this till now. Or did I? Is this used to design fpga's too?
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I tried to look into fpga at one point (crypto mining) it was complicated so I gave up 😅
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yes it is used for FPGA. Main languages are VHDL and verilog
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This new chinese place is way too good. I approve
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@Learath2 this is the italian equivalent of the school i did in France, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuola_Normale_Superiore_di_Pisa
The Scuola Normale Superiore in Pisa (commonly known in Italy as "la Normale") is a public university in Pisa and Florence, Tuscany, Italy, currently attended by about 600 undergraduate and postgraduate (PhD) students. It was founded in 1810 with a decree by Napoleon as a branch of the École normale supérieure in Paris, with the aim of training ...
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damn, 400+ messages in #developer too... Is it worth reading 😄 ?
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@Learath2 this is the italian equivalent of the school i did in France, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuola_Normale_Superiore_di_Pisa
Fwiw, I'm not italian so I'm not very familiar with their system of higher education
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Though I'm familiar with Ecole Normale Superieure, which I'm guessing is where you went
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Too prestigious, y are you in this dc? 😄
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why wouldn't i?
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Too prestigious, y are you in this dc? 😄
What are you implying about this server 🥹
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Chairn
yup
can i become fpga developer without university? xd
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What are you implying about this server 🥹
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@Ryozuki I am a bit curious about what you do, cause you always get interesting articles and stuff. Do you go to any uni? Self taught? Mind sharing? ^^'
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im working
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at a company
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but before that?
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What are you implying about this server 🥹
We are not cool enough
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i tried uni 1 year, found it was too theory for me and dipped out, i went to do a 2 year course officially recognized by the goverment here, its called "Grado Superior" and the title was "Desarrollo de aplicaciones multiplataforma", i didnt learn anything, but lot of companies recognize it here and its like a badge to get a job. In this course, you need to do "practical" hours by working for free in a company... and I impressed the guy so much he hired me. He paid shit. But eventually he didn't have ideas to put me to work and recommended me to a friend he knows that runs another company. I worked there, the pay was average and the work was boring (js, docker, etc), i tried to sell them on the awesomeness of rust, but they are just too dumb, i mean, they use js and centos 7, they dont even know what they are doing and go about as experts. Anyway, on linkedin someone aproached me for a rust related job. I had 4 interviews and it was good. I work there and i get paid quite high for here. Currently working in a compiler from another language intermediate representation into llvm ir (well we are trying MLIR now)
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thats my story
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i tried uni 1 year, found it was too theory for me and dipped out, i went to do a 2 year course officially recognized by the goverment here, its called "Grado Superior" and the title was "Desarrollo de aplicaciones multiplataforma", i didnt learn anything, but lot of companies recognize it here and its like a badge to get a job. In this course, you need to do "practical" hours by working for free in a company... and I impressed the guy so much he hired me. He paid shit. But eventually he didn't have ideas to put me to work and recommended me to a friend he knows that runs another company. I worked there, the pay was average and the work was boring (js, docker, etc), i tried to sell them on the awesomeness of rust, but they are just too dumb, i mean, they use js and centos 7, they dont even know what they are doing and go about as experts. Anyway, on linkedin someone aproached me for a rust related job. I had 4 interviews and it was good. I work there and i get paid quite high for here. Currently working in a compiler from another language intermediate representation into llvm ir (well we are trying MLIR now)
fp?
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i actually breezed through the course
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i never studied
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but it was programming focused a lot
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so i got the best marks in the class
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i even corrected the stupid teacher lmfao
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he claimed to be a c++ dev
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i even corrected the stupid teacher lmfao
This is truly one of lifes greatest feelings
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Hello
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i got a honorary mention for my grades
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i tried uni 1 year, found it was too theory for me and dipped out, i went to do a 2 year course officially recognized by the goverment here, its called "Grado Superior" and the title was "Desarrollo de aplicaciones multiplataforma", i didnt learn anything, but lot of companies recognize it here and its like a badge to get a job. In this course, you need to do "practical" hours by working for free in a company... and I impressed the guy so much he hired me. He paid shit. But eventually he didn't have ideas to put me to work and recommended me to a friend he knows that runs another company. I worked there, the pay was average and the work was boring (js, docker, etc), i tried to sell them on the awesomeness of rust, but they are just too dumb, i mean, they use js and centos 7, they dont even know what they are doing and go about as experts. Anyway, on linkedin someone aproached me for a rust related job. I had 4 interviews and it was good. I work there and i get paid quite high for here. Currently working in a compiler from another language intermediate representation into llvm ir (well we are trying MLIR now)
wow its kinda incredible
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Correcting someone with credentials
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Bay_Zantipresss 2023-03-10 19:09:19Z
honorary or horny
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i dont understand
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We are not cool enough
How come 😔
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This is truly one of lifes greatest feelings
not really
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wow its kinda incredible
idk xD
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its like youre understanding the fact that there are such people in the world xd
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i feel like i got over the biggest hurdle, getting ur first job in the field, now i have experience and demonstrable stuff
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not really
You just don't know how to appreciate it
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so i feel like im kinda ok
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Learath2
You just don't know how to appreciate it
he doesnt know, it truly is one of the best feelings
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@Learath2 the teacher didnt want to be ridiculed and asked to talk to me afterwards
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You just don't know how to appreciate it
maybe, my physics teacher is stupid enough to not understand her own mistakes
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so that i didnt clash with him and put him like a clown
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its like watching a kitten playing on your coach and falling then
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Like bam "Default initialization is different from zero initialization" and the guy is destroyed
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so kitten just falls down and continues to play (edited)
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@Learath2 well it was a c++ dev teaching java
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we didnt do c++ there
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There should be a rule that if you best a professor you should be allowed to get his phd
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but he liked to say "BUT IN C++ u would do X" when teaching java
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i tried uni 1 year, found it was too theory for me and dipped out, i went to do a 2 year course officially recognized by the goverment here, its called "Grado Superior" and the title was "Desarrollo de aplicaciones multiplataforma", i didnt learn anything, but lot of companies recognize it here and its like a badge to get a job. In this course, you need to do "practical" hours by working for free in a company... and I impressed the guy so much he hired me. He paid shit. But eventually he didn't have ideas to put me to work and recommended me to a friend he knows that runs another company. I worked there, the pay was average and the work was boring (js, docker, etc), i tried to sell them on the awesomeness of rust, but they are just too dumb, i mean, they use js and centos 7, they dont even know what they are doing and go about as experts. Anyway, on linkedin someone aproached me for a rust related job. I had 4 interviews and it was good. I work there and i get paid quite high for here. Currently working in a compiler from another language intermediate representation into llvm ir (well we are trying MLIR now)
sounds pretty cool. So I guess most of it is self taugh then. I had a similar feeling for uni xD.
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definitly self thaught
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There should be a rule that if you best a professor you should be allowed to get his phd
Or something like trial by combat to get his phd. C99 trivia contest
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Or golfing
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dropping uni was one of the hardest decisions tho, definitly a pivot point in my life
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and i was down there
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was it worth?
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Or golfing
Jelly is a recreational programming language inspired by J. - GitHub - DennisMitchell/jellylanguage: Jelly is a recreational programming language inspired by J.
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i also had 0 friends in uni, literally never talked to someone
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i also had 0 friends in uni, literally never talked to someone
the only guy I talked to ended up doing drugs. So no freinds either xD
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i also had 0 friends in uni, literally never talked to someone
Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:18:42Z
Did u like never need information related to studies or u never had a cooperative project? (edited)
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@Ryozuki I am a bit curious about what you do, cause you always get interesting articles and stuff. Do you go to any uni? Self taught? Mind sharing? ^^'
most of stuff i link has not much to do with work i guess, but i have such a big curiosity and genuine passion that i cant help but share what i find xD
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я кстать почему насчет phd спрашивал
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в рф быть профессором в университете это пиздец)
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надо сначала докторскую защитить
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а эт значит надо сдать экзамены какие то
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потом начать оригинальное или не очень исследование
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закончить его
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защитить
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Did u like never need information related to studies or u never had a cooperative project? (edited)
i had in a lab i guess, but like it was just talk about the exercise
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и потом пытаться устроиться в вузы где не факт что под тебя место найдется
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если и найдется то привет тупые студенты привет "позвоночные" и привет квоты по научным публикациям
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научный мир тухнет буквально из-за бюрократии и текучке кадров
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why u writing in russian
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cuz im talking to bomb
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:22:21Z
А
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Ааа
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Блин честно я ваще ничего не понимаю в этой теме
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Я едва ли представляю что меня может ждать на первом курсе
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most of stuff i link has not much to do with work i guess, but i have such a big curiosity and genuine passion that i cant help but share what i find xD
only for dev stuff? or also maths / physics related?
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:23:15Z
Какое профессорство...
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most dev related, cuz i can understand it the most, but i also like math and physics
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance
Какое профессорство...
ну эт я рассказываю если ты бакалавриат закончишь поступишь на магистратуру потом на аспирантуру
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even if i dont know much
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и дальше уже
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да кому оно нахуй сдалось однако :D
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:25:09Z
Мой путь будет в конце концов в творчестве
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ты в консерваторию поступил?
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:25:35Z
Но до творчества я дойду через в худшем случае среднюю работу
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А в лучшем через бизнес
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наоборот
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gerdoe
ты в консерваторию поступил?
Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:25:47Z
Не, консерватория юзлес
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в худшем через бизнес
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в лучшем через среднюю работу
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance
Не, консерватория юзлес
да ладно
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:26:04Z
Мне интереснее бизнесом заняться чем работать в айти
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связи наработать плюс фундамент муз теории
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:26:13Z
Ну конкретно для меня
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance
Ну конкретно для меня
ну смотря какой бизнес
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:26:45Z
Ну да
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Я надеюсь все же творческим бизнесом заняться
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Шмотки делать
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Мне щас осталось денег только накопить
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И попробую запустить
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ну эт
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фасовка какая то
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:28:04Z
Всм
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Моя уникальная работа тут заключается в том чтобы разработать лекала и принт иногда нарисовать
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ну ты осторожней
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некоторые дизайны себе потом забирают
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а про авторство забывают
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:37:22Z
Это надо еще популярным стать
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Чтобы тебя копировали на алиэкспрессе
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Тишками по 500 рублей
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А я не планирую простое ваще делать, ток в начале т.к. денег ужасно мало
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да я не про это
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ты ж на печать людям отдавать будешь
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@Voxel
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сам же не напечатаешь
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can i become fpga developer without university? xd
probably
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-03-10 19:38:31Z
Да
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Но там частные компании проверенные
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Я столько сил отдал чтобы их найти
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@Learath2 are you a anime girl now?
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@Learath2 are you a anime girl now?
No, I have no access to drugs unlike this anime girl
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I only marinate my liver in alcohol and sit like that on the floor every day
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anime pics on realistic environments
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i kinda like it a lot
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There should be a rule that if you best a professor you should be allowed to get his phd
don't you never make mistakes?
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Learath2
There should be a rule that if you best a professor you should be allowed to get his phd
phd is not about teaching anyway. You earn a phd after doing research and publications
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
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diluc in dawn winery
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@Voxel
LOL
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radians and degrees are not real units
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one radian does not equal the length of circle's radius
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how does discord extract explanation text from xkcd? I don't even see it in the page
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wdym by radians and degrees are not real units? What are they, food?
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you can just discard them when doing calculus because they are ratios of length
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they are dimensionless
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yeah well.. but they are still units
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The radian, denoted by the symbol rad, is the unit of angle in the International System of Units (SI) and is the standard unit of angular measure used in many areas of mathematics.
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at least according to wikipedia
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The radian is defined in the SI as being a dimensionless unit
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checkmate
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you can just discard them when doing calculus because they are ratios of length
I don't really understand this, how can you work with circles withouth using radians?
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The radian is defined in the SI as being a dimensionless unit
still a unit
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but not carying any physical information
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btw, I'm just joking, but really curious
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but not carying any physical information
How do they differentiate from meters? for example?
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okay nvm I got it x)
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A dimensionless quantity (also known as a bare quantity, pure quantity, or scalar quantity as well as quantity of dimension one) is a quantity to which no physical dimension is assigned, with a corresponding SI unit of measurement of one (or 1), which is not explicitly shown. Dimensionless quantities are widely used in many fields, such as mathe...
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In engineering and science, dimensional analysis is the analysis of the relationships between different physical quantities by identifying their base quantities (such as length, mass, time, and electric current) and units of measure (such as miles vs. kilometres, or pounds vs. kilograms) and tracking these dimensions as calculations or compariso...
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how does discord extract explanation text from xkcd? I don't even see it in the page
It's the image placeholder text in case the image doesn't load. I'm on phone, but on pc you might be able to hover your mouse over to see it. On phone you can long press the image then it shows.
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how does discord extract explanation text from xkcd? I don't even see it in the page
hover over the image
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its image alt
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i think its xkcd special handling
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radians and degrees are not real units
it is a comic
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you never know what's sarcastic or not nowadays
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this feels like a direct attack on me
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Woah, voxel powered engine?
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