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Between 2023-02-27 00:00:00Z and 2023-02-28 00:00:00Z

Although I haven’t played much, I haven’t seen much activity for my region, nor have I made any friends (not surprising to me). I’ve mainly played on multieasy and occasionally spectated block maps. The harder maps (and videos of them) make me realize that my current keyboard(s) are probably unplayable for those maps. (edited)

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04:47

gg

Iza

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this is general, go in showroom or i will vote kick you

04:54

unbelievable

f4

Iza

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Congrats

heartw

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@Cactus lmao

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06:33

how long have you been on 10k now

Iza

@Cactus lmao

this is my dream

06:39

but i have a long way to go think_bot

think_bot

Iza

@Cactus lmao

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06:44

hes been playing since 2014

#bugs pls

@cyberFighter troler

07:09

@matricks Hey, and nice to see you are still here :D

matricks

btw, dilate should die in a horrible pit of fire and vanilla coke

xD

Nagisu~chan

Although I haven’t played much, I haven’t seen much activity for my region, nor have I made any friends (not surprising to me). I’ve mainly played on multieasy and occasionally spectated block maps. The harder maps (and videos of them) make me realize that my current keyboard(s) are probably unplayable for those maps. (edited)

I played with 8$ keyboard, and it wasn't bad, but if mouse is bad, then it's a problem

Sphynx

but you need a special client and special server nowadays, no more universal stuff possible

Not for everything! Helicopters and shit like this work fine on my mod :P With DDNet and vanilla 0.7

fokkonaut

Not for everything! Helicopters and shit like this work fine on my mod :P With DDNet and vanilla 0.7

still bad

07:29

u have to make it look like a heli with some entities, would be better if u could have downloadable content

@陪我 don't ping us for no reason

ok, that didn't work then

ah ok xD

ReiTW

u have to make it look like a heli with some entities, would be better if u could have downloadable content

Well, yea

07:48

I know of a guy who created a whole teeworlds API with moddable content

07:48

and prediction etc, u download the mod before u join basically

matricks did too afaik (edited)

u sure?

fokkonaut

u sure?

https://github.com/matricks/teeworlds/tree/ressys

GitHub - matricks/teeworlds at ressys

A retro multiplayer shooter. Contribute to matricks/teeworlds development by creating an account on GitHub.

Thats only for resources

07:58

Not custom ui, custom net msgs, prediction, etc

well

still cool

fokkonaut

Not for everything! Helicopters and shit like this work fine on my mod :P With DDNet and vanilla 0.7

did you make Battlefield gamemode?

no, why?

also has helicopters

many gamemodes had vehicles in the past (edited)

in the past

well iF|City still has vehicles too

barely anyone uses these

09:02

in Battlefield mod, you had many

09:02

especially naval warfare was cool

09:02

i really miss the big player count times

09:02

for all the very unique gamemodes

09:03

now some don't even exist anymore because nobody hosts due to no traffic

09:04

because nobody dares to join servers with no or only one player anymore (edited)

09:04

people just can't wait these days

09:05

it's a real real shame

09:06

maybe we can revive some gamemodes by "hosting" or announcing some parties

Some mods simply die after time

but that's just an idea, an idea that might not even work that well

fokkonaut

Some mods simply die after time

or you are vanilla

09:07

0.7 killed it

09:08

basically

09:08

by stretching the player base

Sphynx

people just can't wait these days

and this effect got inflated by that

doesnt have to do anything with 0.6 mods being dead

Im ded (edited)

09:10

Teesmash is alive copium

Sphynx

by stretching the player base

and only one server with 16 players max had decent anti-cheat, everybody wanted to squeeze into the server i remember

09:11

allowed no room for new people

I've thought about this a bit and I think it's just the fact that most mods just can't keep your interest because they are always the same. If you don't get new maps every so often AND there is no rp potential like in the city mods, it just dies after a while

09:16

Pvp mods survive a little longer if they are fun, but at the end of the day they too get stale

Learath2

I've thought about this a bit and I think it's just the fact that most mods just can't keep your interest because they are always the same. If you don't get new maps every so often AND there is no rp potential like in the city mods, it just dies after a while

well for me DDNet still participated in that

09:19

in a way that you have too much servers

09:19

gamemodes does not have any visibility (edited)

We even host them ourselves to give mods a hand. It's just the bitter truth that none of you want to accept. Most of these gamemodes just get stale after playing a while. Those that don't stick around even "without visibility"

09:21

Look at city, fokkonaut's playground, block servers. All did very well

09:21

Noby's fng

yeah well dunno, I was thinking that as new players can't see much more than DDNet everywhere, and the old playerbase just leave as the game dies

Its both true

There is a proposal about merging the kog tab into the internet tab and revamping the internet tab. Maybe that will help?

ho didn't see that

I think it's one of ryozuki style passive aggressive titles. Look for "Remove KoG tab" or sth

maybe ddnet servers shouldnt be shown in the internet tab

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09:30

to really separate like 90% of the players and servers from the rest, making it easier to search for other types

tbh I agree with heinrich about the 0.7 design It's good to separate things + better visibility, but too much clicks

Learath2

I think it's one of ryozuki style passive aggressive titles. Look for "Remove KoG tab" or sth

justatest

Learath2

I think it's one of ryozuki style passive aggressive titles. Look for "Remove KoG tab" or sth

f3

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5654

Rename Kog Tab to Community and add trusted servers · Issue #5654 ·...

The current situation is unfair to good faith server owners whose servers don't have the checkmark, a more healthy way is to provide a way to apply to have the checkmark or be added to this...

fokkonaut

maybe ddnet servers shouldnt be shown in the internet tab

I wouldn't like if there wasn't an All tab (the same as current Internet tab), i like seeing where all my friends are regardless of server and region

The current situation is unfair to good faith server owners whose servers don't have the checkmark, a more healthy way is to provide a way to apply to have the checkmark or be added to this new tab so they have easier discoverability and users are not scared to join.

>

One example is unique servers: https://uniqueclan.net/

self advertising

kek

09:57

but its true

09:57

why kog and not unique

09:57

koggers out

think about it for a minute

09:57

kog and fokko and v3 is there

09:57

all suck

ok banned @cyberFighter giga_chad

giga_chad

ReiTW

ok banned @cyberFighter giga_chad

giga_chad

not like i planned to ever join v3 gigachad

gigachad

Main problem is, when generalizing verification, its impossible to know whether a server owner really is trustful, or for example a faker who simply tries to get verified and then does even more shit...

10:12

But for now, probably the easiest and most fair way for now would be to have a Community tab, have kog servers in there, unique, fng, bombay, and my server

10:13

But in the end every server can be faked and therefore abused

not if there's a sort of token that can be set and sent to https masters

10:15

instead of IP whitelisting

How do you get the token? What requirements does it take? What if an attacker uses the token in order to verify his server, while he is not trustful?

u ask ddnet once to generate a token for ur submenu in the browser, then u use it everytime

Lets say, a known attacker comes back, tries to create a new community, gets verified, has his token, more players join his server, he gets leaked and we realize he did shit and collected ips or whatever?

trust basics, heinrich would ask avo if that guy is his mate or not

10:18

(if it was kog for eg)

You dont get my point, if we add a general verification method, then also new networks would get the chance to verify. New networks, that have to prove themselves first, i guess

10:19

Otherwise we dont need verification.

useless af to verify networks

servers, then

10:19

dont go so deep on specific words

my point was to keep track of who is who, lets say KoG had 8 more servers to add, they could use a generic token that would auto "tag" them as KoG instead of adding each IP to the list

ReiTW

useless af to verify networks

I'm guessing the problem is if anyone can create a network they can fake both kog and ddnet

exactly

ReiTW

my point was to keep track of who is who, lets say KoG had 8 more servers to add, they could use a generic token that would auto "tag" them as KoG instead of adding each IP to the list

my point is way before that can even happen

So we need to actually verify new networks

what do you mean by network, can't see

Exactly

10:21

unique, bombay, me, fng, kog...

10:21

those networks

ReiTW

what do you mean by network, can't see

Groups of servers that share a token

or future networks/servers

well you can't rly verify new networks

10:23

verifying means trust the guy behind

Thats the point xd

10:24

Then the tab shouldnt be called "Community" but rather "Trusted", but then again, new servers that develop a specific degree of trust/size/whatever will also want to get trusted checkmark.

Which brings us back to it's unfair

Exactly

my idea was more to "optimize" that network thingy, instead of everyone being allowed to be in the KoG tab, or instead of avo taking all the time to manually add IPs in the KoG tab, he could simply use a token in his .cfg file, then the srv is automatically associated in the KoG tab

10:25

but doesn't mean verified

This doesnt really solve any issue

That part honestly isnt much of an issue. It just takes one message to deen or me to add a new server to the kog list

10:26

We could automate it when we have more networks like kog. But there is some form of verification required when issuing a new token

Its just not easy to verify some people without e.g. having real contact information or whatever. Since everyone can create their servers under whatever name or identity

10:28

To do shit later on

10:29

Mostly players who play for years are "trusted".

fokkonaut

Then the tab shouldnt be called "Community" but rather "Trusted", but then again, new servers that develop a specific degree of trust/size/whatever will also want to get trusted checkmark.

we don't have any big popular net projects in tw to do such approach

10:36

its not even an issue

10:37

ddnet and kog and that's it

@Learath2 add all ips from https://uniqueclan.net/serverstatus/GER ty much

Ryozuki

@Learath2 add all ips from https://uniqueclan.net/serverstatus/GER ty much

can't read

text is too small

cammostripes

have to zooz to 390% to read the ip

10:38

zoozer

I havent touched that web since 2018

10:39

Xd

fokkonaut

Its just not easy to verify some people without e.g. having real contact information or whatever. Since everyone can create their servers under whatever name or identity

I guess the only thing that needs to be verified is that they aren't faking another network now that I think about it a bit

Learath2

I guess the only thing that needs to be verified is that they aren't faking another network now that I think about it a bit

Well and that they dont collect ips for ddos (edited)

10:42

But ye

Iza

@Cactus lmao

about 4 days

Ryozuki

Well and that they dont collect ips for ddos (edited)

Well not like they'll get ips just by having a network, people still need to join, so it's not muuch much different

10:43

We can always just revoke tokens from people that abuse it like we masterban servers that are honeypots

Oh true, i forgot its more about avoid getting fakes

10:43

Faked

Learath2

I've thought about this a bit and I think it's just the fact that most mods just can't keep your interest because they are always the same. If you don't get new maps every so often AND there is no rp potential like in the city mods, it just dies after a while

DDRace is also always the same

Sphynx

DDRace is also always the same

We get new maps weekly

pvp just has much higher replay value

Learath2

We get new maps weekly

just a personal preference of mine

10:45

i really dislike DDRace (edited)

Sphynx

pvp just has much higher replay value

because the actions depend on players

Sphynx

pvp just has much higher replay value

Well if more people agreed with you maybe we could finally revive some pvp mods, but only fng seems to have survived any significant time

Ddnet has more replay value due to new maps

10:46

Way way more

Learath2

Well if more people agreed with you maybe we could finally revive some pvp mods, but only fng seems to have survived any significant time

and zcatch

Also ddnet is more social

fokkonaut

and zcatch

Oh, does someone host a popular zcatch server again?

the ddnet zcatch servers occasionally get 5-10 players

Not that I know, but quite a few people play it, iirc

fokkonaut

Not that I know, but quite a few people play it, iirc

rls noob

xD

Learath2

Well if more people agreed with you maybe we could finally revive some pvp mods, but only fng seems to have survived any significant time

0.7 cross compatibility and high player limit are just a W

10:48

not a 16 player limit and the rest is forced to watch

you can code that and see how people like it

Ryozuki

Ddnet has more replay value due to new maps

Hello, and welcome to DDNET! A Newww game on steam! We have over 300 brutal maps, Which feature many techniques such as: hammerhit, hammerhit, hammerhit, hammerhit, hammerhit, hammerhit, aled! You can also check out the other categories!

I have a feeling 0.7 compatibility doesn't have much to do with it but I'm curious. @noby I bet you keep some stats, how many of your players are 0.7?

Learath2

Well if more people agreed with you maybe we could finally revive some pvp mods, but only fng seems to have survived any significant time

ironically, in fng the majority of players is allergic to new maps

Learath2

I have a feeling 0.7 compatibility doesn't have much to do with it but I'm curious. @noby I bet you keep some stats, how many of your players are 0.7?

nowadays it doesn't anymore

10:50

but i still think that 0.7 played a big role in vanilla slowly dying

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10:51

because many players decided to play 0.7 for some reason

Learath2

I have a feeling 0.7 compatibility doesn't have much to do with it but I'm curious. @noby I bet you keep some stats, how many of your players are 0.7?

My server is based on 0.7 and was 0.7-only in the beginning. It reached good player counts with that already. When I added DDNet support, most players switched over time leaving a very small 0.7 player amount. Just a very few players

In pvp the interaction between the players creates the new "content". So if the gameplay is flexible enough the mod seems to survive

Sphynx

because many players decided to play 0.7 for some reason

cuz it split the playerbase in half

I CUT THIS BOAT IN HALF

0.7 devs didnt have flextape

10:53

feelsbadman

timakro provided

10:53

np

Learath2

In pvp the interaction between the players creates the new "content". So if the gameplay is flexible enough the mod seems to survive

vanilla is flexible, problem is that grenade is a bit too powerful

10:59

generally an opportunity was missed for one or two weapons to balance it better

11:01

laser is pretty poweful too, but it has a more balanced skill ceiling and gain

grenade isnt too op

11:02

if you dont perfectly hit, it will give less damage

Sphynx

vanilla is flexible, problem is that grenade is a bit too powerful

people spam that stuff, it is good for slowing down people chasing the flag carrier

fokkonaut

grenade isnt too op

i said "a bit too" for a reason

11:03

i had a time where i was very good at dodging grenades with very good small space movement

11:03

it was fun

the more general problem is that there are no accounts or anything, so its just fun for a few rounds until it gets boring

11:03

No learn curvature once you are "good enough"

11:04

DDrace always offers something new

11:04

even if its just beating your own time or perfecting your moves

fokkonaut

No learn curvature once you are "good enough"

had that in fng twice, if you don't fight the best players 2v2 or 1v1, you notice on the big server that people seem to magically run into your shots, almost like NPCs

11:05

i said twice because i rarely get to play anymore

fokkonaut

even if its just beating your own time or perfecting your moves

yet i got bored of Race

11:06

eventually

i was never a fan of race

11:07

DDrace - yes

Sphynx

eventually

and because all the movement really hurt my wrists

i am gay

okay

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ok

ok

ok

ok

kefa

i am gay

idk how u are not banned

moders like me

Learath2

Well if more people agreed with you maybe we could finally revive some pvp mods, but only fng seems to have survived any significant time

the truth is that all pvp mods need action

11:54

fng is very lazy that's why its still alive

hi

hi

who wants to play maps with me

12:53

?

I cant

12:55

Going laggy bro

anyone down to try some moderate maps? (i need to get used to the harder mechanics a bit)

kefa

moders like me

we are love u buddy

-StormAx

we are love u buddy

hi

amad

hi

hey:3

-StormAx

hey:3

can i ask smth

ofc but better in DM

sure

justatest

dammit

14:32

@Zoom || Alex You can ping moderators in the #reports

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Learath2

I have a feeling 0.7 compatibility doesn't have much to do with it but I'm curious. @noby I bet you keep some stats, how many of your players are 0.7?

surprisingly i dont track that (? yet? ive been meaning to start) but i just searched in a 500mb logfile i had laying around and found 51989 people joined with ddnet 5055 people joined with 0.7 617 people joined with client "secure=no" probably 0.6 vanilla

So roughly 10% I guess not that bad

14:43

I was expecting more around 3-5%

based on what ive observed it seems to depend on region

Learath2

I was expecting more around 3-5%

on brazil3 fng for example, 2448 joined with ddnet, 43 with 0.7, and 2 with 0.6

14:45

(since last restart)

0.1% with 0.6

14:46

gigachad

on chn3 fng, 15552 ddnet, 87 0.7, 18 0.6

14:47

i think 0.7 is most common on ger

noby

on brazil3 fng for example, 2448 joined with ddnet, 43 with 0.7, and 2 with 0.6

This sounds much closer to what I expected

ddnet client is just way better than 0.7 client

noby

ddnet client is just way better than 0.7 client

f3

kefa

i am gay

gay

@noby fng sux (edited)

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ReiTW

@noby fng sux (edited)

u

ReiTW

@noby fng sux (edited)

u

16:29

v3 sucks

6

no u

giga_chad

1

kog sucks most

16:30

... and fokkonaut

16:30

troll

justatest

cyberFighter

kog sucks most

?

16:31

you gotta leave multeasy dude there's no room for excuses

who is this noname

16:34

ive been playing this game longer than uve been born

santatrollet

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cyberFighter

ive been playing this game longer than uve been born

ratio

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noby

ddnet client is just way better than 0.7 client

true

cyberFighter

kog sucks most

because you banned?

Avolicious

because you banned?

who did i ban

Rempve kog from internet please

@cyberFighter attacking servers if forbidden

16:53

(and also illegal)

Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

Rempve kog from internet please

Internet never forgets

Forgets what

16:57

How would one memorize the whole kog code

Avolicious

Internet never forgets

I shat my pants yesterday The internet will forget this in a few minutes

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Steinchen

I shat my pants yesterday The internet will forget this in a few minutes

Someone pin this pls!

monkaS

Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

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greenthing

Steinchen

I shat my pants yesterday The internet will forget this in a few minutes

L

I added it to favorites in gallery on my phone so one day I'll remind that he shat his pants and everyone will know once again

hi

17:23

how to get the strong hook ?

-StormAx pinned a message to this channel. 2023-02-27 17:29:24Z

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Souly

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17:31

@louis show me pls

faked message

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17:31

havent checked my ss archive in a while

17:31

i dont even remember those lmao

17:32

@ReiTW

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17:32

ratio

talking to the highest individual in existence

17:33

fun experience

lmao this one also

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17:34

i dont know what server was that from

so old

louis

faked message

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ReD

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not faked

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Cactus

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ok

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17:35

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17:35

murpi got nutted

im talking to a homophobic woke nib_xd

nib_xd

17:35

dummy hater

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after this cactus bas kidnapped

having philosophical thoughts about teeworlds

nothing wrong

was fun while it lasted, guy left the game

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Tristis

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Souly

@ReiTW

Shit mod yes cuz it's written like ass

ReiTW

Shit mod yes cuz it's written like ass

and gameplay like ass too

Tristis

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why the most random shit are always said in ravillion (edited)

heinrich5991

@cyberFighter attacking servers if forbidden

/timeout zooz; /points

this game is so p2w that to unlock low ping i've to move into another country therefore pay money

is some fucker ddosing ger servers? lagging to shit

El BobLex

is some fucker ddosing ger servers? lagging to shit

There's a status page that you can use to check

18:22

I think it is https://ddnet.org/status

doesnt make sense

18:23

lagging to shit anyway

I'd suggest u to play on GER10 then

still lagging

18:30

POL seems ok

Cactus

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18:39

justatest

when you play a bit of the game

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-StormAx

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Lmao hell yeah

19:00

96% of that dudes year spent on ddnet

spent on sunny side up*

Does anyone wanna complete all novice maps w me

19:13

If yes ping me or dm me

-StormAx

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how the wtf you can spend all of your life in ddnet (edited)

@Gewinum is not me

20:23

justatest

dude litrtally spent 24 hours in day in ddnet (edited)

20:24

how

He obv just afk

justatest

Impressive tho still

imagine being 24/7 in game

20:24

even if afk

20:24

wtf??

imagine

20:25

wtf????

Not sure how often they restart servers

im actually more worried about chinese guys

20:26

im not sure how you could live in china and get 17 thousands points in year

-StormAx

https://i.imgur.com/QnuyR0T.png

wait, that's not nameless??

No:>

justatest

nameless tee is definitely pro player

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20:28

kek

@Devinci so

20:28

Is the player

20:28

Named

20:28

(connecting)

Gewinum

nameless tee is definitely pro player

I actually know her irl

Evening!

night!

sup :p

howdy o/

I have a question...

21:20

DDnet... do you guys have accounts etc? how do you manage the servers?

mayb good to ping @Learath2 for that

and also @heinrich5991

matricks

DDnet... do you guys have accounts etc? how do you manage the servers?

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411 I wish we had accounts

Accounts · Issue #3411 · ddnet/ddnet

If anyone wants to summarize the discussion, feel free to. I just wanted to create the issue now.

21:21

And that is only what we collected in 2 years

Oh god.. so.. kinda infected subject?

accounts means resetting almost 10 years of ddnet

Hey

some gamemodes implemented their own account system, but still everything separated

matricks

DDnet... do you guys have accounts etc? how do you manage the servers?

no, only player names atm

21:23

I'm implementing a secure server connection currently, using QUIC

21:24

that'd open the door for strong authentication of clients, I'm envisioning something where the client generates some (ed25519) private key and uses that as identity. a global identity server could tie these keys together to form an account, maybe linked to an email address or a steam account

21:25

personally, I don't want account creation to be an obstacle for first-time users, but there are other opinions on that in the community and from the developers

(would also allow accounts for modded servers)

Yeah, I envisioned that an "account" would be a private key that the client created on startup, that you could copy around with you if you wanted

like minecraft

yea, trying to do that minus the copying around

heinrich5991

yea, trying to do that minus the copying around

why minus the copy around?

because I think that's not how players think about accounts, also restoring accounts would be PITA

21:28

I'd let players link their identity to an email address, discord ID or steam ID

21:28

(optionally)

Ahh, yeah.. that kinda makes since...

21:28

or bind it to your colonic map

21:29

So.. you could copy around the privatekey if you wanted, or store it in the cloud

I was thinking about hiding it a little so players don't accidentally let others impersonate them

I thought maybe just save it in a file that if you know what you are doing you can copy it around, but yeah, people will lose that like teenagers loose their.... well..

why not just have a global account stored somewhere in a database, asking the player to login each time he starts his game

@ReiTW Well, that kinda goes against the whole TW philosophy that I had, nothing is central, you are in control etc

instead of a key stored locally

decentralized

i am mostly against it, bcs its easy to steal these keys

well still having a high chance of "oh I forgot to save my account file"

bcs non IT ppl are too stupid for it

put ddnet in activity pub kek

21:39

join the fediverse

while if you have something centralized at least if you reinstall windows & forgot to save ur account you can still access it with that method

why would u install windows anyway

Jupstar ✪

i am mostly against it, bcs its easy to steal these keys

yeah, that is a problem... boooooo! people just wanna destroy stuff

cuz not everything runs under linux giga_chad

giga_chad

gigachad

well correctly at least

21:41

can imagine those people with stupid bot clients

21:41

the creator can easily steal keys

well

how?

a passphrase helps

i doubt ppl want to input a password everytime

it's a private key, you never send it off your computer

@matricks release a client that is not opensource, you can do whatever you want with it, such as controlling players

matricks

it's a private key, you never send it off your computer

bot clients simply send it

BOOOOOO!!! people suck

21:42

Aww, it's true

yeah its a hard topic

(well technically a bot client could also steal your credentials if it was user:pass based)

ReiTW

(well technically a bot client could also steal your credentials if it was user:pass based)

well not if u only get a session key

21:44

and bind it to the IP

Jupstar ✪

yeah its a hard topic

being open-source just complicates things as well on this matter

e.g. auth in a website/browser

21:44

instead of the client

yes but ig this is overcomplicated for standard users (edited)

well if it says open this ddnet.org website and copy some key into the client

21:45

thats ok maybe, most ppl will maybe use steam anyway

This just reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ

that picture looks like a video from hashicorp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

Zooko%27s_triangle

Ryozuki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

This is where this discussion always ends up

Yeah, and the answer is obvious to me

blockchain!

21:55

:p

Make it centralized, insecure and for robots

21:56

so.. telnet

heinrich5991

blockchain!

lmao we can call the blockchain guy that needed devs for his srv

lol, I've tried so hard to think about a good use for blockchain...

21:57

Merkle tree yes... blockchain no

namecoin was a good use IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJuPc3ho61E

Erik van velzen

Adam back hello Teeworlds

Jupstar ✪

bot clients simply send it

I don't really understand how this is a thing. we can't really help people who install viruses, no? if they have a malicious client, that client might as well store the credentials if we have a central account system

legend

21:58

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1011596291379306616

ah yea

22:00

what patiga says; you can't secure a system against malicious code running on the user's computer

ReiTW

(well technically a bot client could also steal your credentials if it was user:pass based)

typically ^^

heinrich5991

what patiga says; you can't secure a system against malicious code running on the user's computer

Ye, the music/movie industry has been on that case for a while now

Jupstar ✪

thats ok maybe, most ppl will maybe use steam anyway

still

22:02

I can't think of how it could work for an opensource game

how what can work?

like someone who wants to compile his own client, then he couldn't authenticate through steam ?

they can still auth through steam

ah

If you wanna go with accounts, maybe this is the way to go.. let someone else deal with the shit

well + no database required (I mean u don't need to pay smth for people) (edited)

problem is that I don't know how open the steam sdk is

it's a closed source lib

22:05

you can download it if you want

heinrich5991

what patiga says; you can't secure a system against malicious code running on the user's computer

But u can minimize the total impact

zzzz

1

I'm gonna impact my bed. Night guys!

Bedge

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Jupstar ✪

But u can minimize the total impact

why is total impact higher with privkey vs password?

I clearly arguments with aip bound session key

but it's obtained from the user's computer, no?

22:17

then they can just intercept the PW

Anyway I don't like argumenting.u are always to confident about Ur opinion

heinrich5991

then they can just intercept the PW

Well that must be a real virus

22:17

But just a client that simply send a key

matricks

I'm gonna impact my bed. Night guys!

Gn8!

Not

Well at any moment you have a custom client anyone could do anything, like keylogging etc..

ReiTW

Well at any moment you have a custom client anyone could do anything, like keylogging etc..

Well as bad as windows defender is

22:21

It can still recognize some stuff

22:22

The burden is higher

it does sound like the cheat client would have to be more overtly malicious

22:24

IP bound token doesn't sound good though, some people would need to re-authenticate daily or more often

22:24

especially with cgnat

22:24

(websites used to do this in the past, but not anymore, I think)

Could be IP region over geo lookup

22:25

I dunno there must be a more secure way

22:28

Besides cheat clients i could also imagine i could simply ask ppl for the key and it will work for some ppl

22:29

U shouldn't underestimate how naive ppl can be

22:30

Steam even warns me to not share my password lmao

22:31

Hello I'm windows support pls give me Ur bank details so I can fix your sounds bug

I would hide the key from the user a little

22:35

so that the naive user doesn't find it

Learath2

Well if more people agreed with you maybe we could finally revive some pvp mods, but only fng seems to have survived any significant time

the big problem with pvp mods is you need other people on to be able to play them, so when you combine that with low discoverability and huge skill imbalances, you need a much larger critical mass to keep the mode alive.

23:32

I really wish a pvp tab was added to the ddnet client to allow for newer players to find these modes.

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