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Cellegen 2023-02-21 00:00:01Z

gn ryo

Can I say that I'm a bit disappointed that you could come up with more for TW2?

I have so many ideas (edited)

matricks

Can I say that I'm a bit disappointed that you could come up with more for TW2?

I have so many ideas (edited)

did u know there is a telegun

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in ddnet

@matricks if you ever want to drop a couple commits for old times sake you are more than welcome

We are at a historic dev downtime

i made it :D

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oof i should go to sleep

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cya

Don't worry, as I mentioned, they have a whole category for ideas

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they have to implement them. (issue being) (edited)

matricks

Can I say that I'm a bit disappointed that you could come up with more for TW2?

I have so many ideas (edited)

we love ddrace, i think we will stick to teeworld 1, the best game

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOFfArqG9gA

Ryozuki

DDNet - "Teleportation gun" #2

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leaving this here

Oh yeah, telegun exists

matricks

Can I say that I'm a bit disappointed that you could come up with more for TW2?

I have so many ideas (edited)

Im new, can someone explain - TW2?????

Still we don't use it much, but it's nice!

@matricks yeah I think our minds are very distanced from pvp currently ^^

@-StormAx Hypothetical question asked by me

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matricks

Can I say that I'm a bit disappointed that you could come up with more for TW2?

I have so many ideas (edited)

It is expected, we stuck around here for almost a decade playing the same gamemode, same maps, everyone still here really enjoys this very specific niche

@matricks Please join us! Its free for you, no applications, no waiting! Role God would be enough <3:3

matricks

Can I say that I'm a bit disappointed that you could come up with more for TW2?

I have so many ideas (edited)

plz share ;)

matricks

I'm gonna pose this question and then hit the bath room... Teeworlds 2... What is it? What would it contain? Brb in 5 min

@-StormAx context

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@matricks Please join us! Its free for you, no applications, no waiting! Role God would be enough <3:3

thats what im saying

if tw2 were a thing i dont think it would be a lot different than it is now but probably made with a lot more potential

@matricks For me, Teeworlds 2 should rely on having better support for mods as a basic concept, having features from Ninslash being borrowed to Teeworlds, involving the teleports to another map, getting all teeworlds related info presented on the Wiki (wip right now) and of course making a better server protection

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Iza

thats what im saying

Safe us from the bad and gring the good!

I think that can be summerized as Teeworlds 2

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nothing more, nor less

@Cellegen I prototyped this

Also you are asking a community of people that disagrees with even the simplest UI/UX changes. You won't find innovation here, we are just maintenance workers

Tbh i personlly dont need a tw2. I played tw for 5-6years (with breaks) and will continue playing it

Learath2

Also you are asking a community of people that disagrees with even the simplest UI/UX changes. You won't find innovation here, we are just maintenance workers

hey i'm not that conservative on stuff like that

@Cellegen A non-turing complete scripting language to control client side rendering

Learath2

Also you are asking a community of people that disagrees with even the simplest UI/UX changes. You won't find innovation here, we are just maintenance workers

That is part of the reason the whole Recommendation for DDNet 2.0 has been shut down

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matricks

@Cellegen A non-turing complete scripting language to control client side rendering

Might be easier to manage

I just want accounts greenthing

@Cellegen Also, https://github.com/matricks/teeworlds/tree/ressys contains the code for enabling downloading of resources from the game server and http servers

GitHub - matricks/teeworlds at ressys

A retro multiplayer shooter. Contribute to matricks/teeworlds development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Oh

realfail

Tbh i personlly dont need a tw2. I played tw for 5-6years (with breaks) and will continue playing it

At least until @-StormAx gets a better time at Grandma poggers2

@Cellegen That branch can launch from a single executable and download everything else. font, sprites, textures, maps, you name it

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I think Nexus and Nagi did find this

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cuz it sounds familiar

There were talks of reviving that branch when we made the http map downloader, but ultimately decided against it going for just putting maps on a webserver instead

including caching on the client side

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this was a the basis for the Fuel engine that I designed back in... 2005? 2006? what did the screen shot say?

2005

matricks

@Cellegen That branch can launch from a single executable and download everything else. font, sprites, textures, maps, you name it

So it's temporarily stored, till software shutdown?

@Skeith The lurker with the answer! (edited)

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or server shutdown

realfail

At least until @-StormAx gets a better time at Grandma poggers2

Soon(maybe)

@matricks I wrote a blender add-on for importing teeworlds maps :D https://gitlab.com/Patiga/twmap-blender/ e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88xtJ_jLVM8 its a weird chain of rust map library -> python bindings -> add-on

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@Patiga NEAT!

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Took me 20min to read 70% of the messages of 1h ago

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I just quit 100 messages

Broso56

if tw2 were a thing i dont think it would be a lot different than it is now but probably made with a lot more potential

it seems the issue with teeworlds (or atleast ddnet) is that there is a lot of bugs/other issues that are buried in years of code, and the issues that could be fixed code-wise are utilized in ddnet maps and the community is typically very mixed with any sort of change proposed, so a rewrite could provide a clean slate for better mod potential, more QoL changes, new gameplay ideas/mechanics, moderation tools, and (maybe?) increase dev activity if people are motivated by those changes

You know about the tale: It's not a bug, it's a feature!

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00:10

We have that mentality kek

@Broso56 Want me to provide you with some background to this?

matricks

@Broso56 Want me to provide you with some background to this?

We had also people who expected more from this game.

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Including me back then

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Main problem of the game It's very addictive... Too much

Cellegen

You know about the tale: It's not a bug, it's a feature!

strong/weak hook justatest

hey @matricks @teetow heartw

love & play it since 2013. In 2015 an admin showed me coding for his server and I have been coding ever since.

(edited)

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Broso56

strong/weak hook justatest

Feature: We made maps around it!

matricks

@Broso56 Want me to provide you with some background to this?

sure, more teeworlds lore poggers

@Broso56 I've developed several version of teeworlds. I always ended up developing a very modable engine, that would support a lot of modding, downloading of code from the game server (q1/q2/q3 style). My problem ended up that I was developing an engine and not a game. The version of teeworlds you see now is when I decided to develop a game instead of an engine. That's why it's more restrictive and locked down in the design. (edited)

Broso56

strong/weak hook justatest

This one is probably just a result of it being pretty code and not being very obvious in vanilla

@ReD COOL MAN!

matricks

@Broso56 I've developed several version of teeworlds. I always ended up developing a very modable engine, that would support a lot of modding, downloading of code from the game server (q1/q2/q3 style). My problem ended up that I was developing an engine and not a game. The version of teeworlds you see now is when I decided to develop a game instead of an engine. That's why it's more restrictive and locked down in the design. (edited)

On this side of the view, it makes a lot of sense

teeworld lore

@ReD I love how many people I've inspired into coding

matricks

@ReD I love how many people I've inspired into coding

Hell yeah! happy

This is why programming Teeworlds is difficult, cuz you are programming on an Engine, not a game environment

matricks

@ReD I love how many people I've inspired into coding

i'm yet to become a coder myself

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eventually

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idk

@Cellegen If you seen earlier this evening, you've seen Fuel which was one of em

matricks

@Broso56 I've developed several version of teeworlds. I always ended up developing a very modable engine, that would support a lot of modding, downloading of code from the game server (q1/q2/q3 style). My problem ended up that I was developing an engine and not a game. The version of teeworlds you see now is when I decided to develop a game instead of an engine. That's why it's more restrictive and locked down in the design. (edited)

thats fair, even if it wasnt restrictive ddnet is very slow to change IMO

Yeah

Iza

i'm yet to become a coder myself

Never too late for it

Like the old 2010's softwares

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Kinda my type of fun

matricks

@ReD I love how many people I've inspired into coding

i started coding a little since 2021, ive messed around with it slightly a few years before but nothing more than a day or two

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was interested after making useless binds in ddnet with config files lol

Cellegen

Feature: We made maps around it!

Are there actually?

Yes

Aiae

Are there actually?

The corner hook thing is a bug, it's the foundation of ddrace

Learath2

The corner hook thing is a bug, it's the foundation of ddrace

wtf

Ah yes, the magic edge also

I'm talking about strong/weak

... Also... TW2 would contain to textures....

"sg bug"

Aiae

I'm talking about strong/weak

there are few parts that i think are impossible w/o weak

There are maps that have drags that are much much harder with weak

Ya, there are a handful of maps that have parts that don't work if you have strong / weak

corner-hook-bug tunnel drag race mod :P

matricks

... Also... TW2 would contain to textures....

Textures as in Materials to apply?

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rtx in teeworlds

i think its a lot more common for strong hook

for maps to require it

Ya

Skeith

Ya, there are a handful of maps that have parts that don't work if you have strong / weak

Well it's usually "don't work with weak", never thought there were parts that "don't work with strong"

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I'd love to see what those parts could be

You pull too much, or too little, that's the gist of it

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Right

hook velocity is different

Aiae

Well it's usually "don't work with weak", never thought there were parts that "don't work with strong"

i dont think i know any maps personally but ive heard some talk about a few maps having it

@Cellegen No texture, no 2d bit maps, would support infinite resolution.. the current one is a crutch of old hardware

Aiae

I'd love to see what those parts could be

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Hook#Maps_requiring_weak

infi... what

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wtf

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why need infinite resolution

svg skins

sounds awesome, but why

would be interested but maybe not practical (edited)

@matricks thank you, because of you I have 20.000 hours in this game

Broso56

i dont think i know any maps personally but ive heard some talk about a few maps having it

They definitely exist, I just don't remember the map names

20k??

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@Zwelf Why did you wonder who did the velramp?

matricks

@Cellegen No texture, no 2d bit maps, would support infinite resolution.. the current one is a crutch of old hardware

Can't wait to see!

@Brokecdx- I'm...... .sorry?

Nono thank you man, best game ever

@matricks People have been baffled by the tees going too fast stopping the last couple weeks

Oh yeah, we kinda have no life and spent like 8+ years on this game

do you actually have 20k hours @Brokecdx-

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thats crazy lol

I'm here for 9+ years @matricks kekW

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since 0.5

I've been playing for 14 years, I don't know my total hours played, but it's definitely an absurd amount

@Cellegen fukken noob. I've been here since 0.1.0

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00:20

you beat me there

@Cellegen

I feel like I'm the 'youngest' here

i think teeworlds holds competition on game time spent on Steam If we somehow count the game time out of Steam (edited)

matricks

@Zwelf Why did you wonder who did the velramp?

it has interesting implications to ddnet maps. If you get enough velocity, you stop moving. It is very noticeable (and weird) with speedups, but can also be reached with grenade.

@matricks are you coming back or just checking how it is going

@Aiae Don't feel bad. I'm ancient

Well yeah, some might say you're the firs

@Brokecdx- I do a trip down memory lane some times, it's nice to see how it's taken a life of it's own

Cellegen

i think teeworlds holds competition on game time spent on Steam If we somehow count the game time out of Steam (edited)

And it's getting better and better matricks

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slowly, but steadily

speaking of the future of teeworlds, on the base game itself there's a big commit pending that adds water as well as other stuff, we (the art team) have also been working on a ton of new environments and assets for 0.8, but sadly the development is too stagnant currently for it to ever become a real thing cammo

Cellegen

i think teeworlds holds competition on game time spent on Steam If we somehow count the game time out of Steam (edited)

rocket league is another game i see people with a very high hour count on

@Zwelf The velramp came into existance because you could add more and more velocity and it became.. well... insane.. so I had to clamp it some how

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I FUKKEN HATE WATEr

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Sorry...

matricks

@Zwelf The velramp came into existance because you could add more and more velocity and it became.. well... insane.. so I had to clamp it some how

Why not clamp the acceleration instead?

This is a better presentation of the Assets we have right now to accomplish. I've made it in one day.

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Verturian tournament (mapping tourney by me)

@Learath2 Because that wouldn't clamp the velocity

you'll need a better name for tw2 btw, I already claimed it

https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2

GitHub - heinrich5991/libtw2: Some Teeworlds stuff in Rust

Some Teeworlds stuff in Rust. Contribute to heinrich5991/libtw2 development by creating an account on GitHub.

Cellegen

This is a better presentation of the Assets we have right now to accomplish. I've made it in one day.

why you got the sad tee

Idk, design

@heinrich5991 I've seen that already...... you beat me to it

TeeGalaxy, since you make the change

matricks

@Learath2 Because that wouldn't clamp the velocity

Well if the change in velocity tends to 0 as velocity increases you'll get a max velocity, no?

you are the creator after all of this universe (edited)

Learath2

Well if the change in velocity tends to 0 as velocity increases you'll get a max velocity, no?

google harmonic series :p

matricks

I FUKKEN HATE WATEr

hahah, well it's only one of the ideas for 0.8, it's not even approved yet

heinrich5991

google harmonic series :p

well ok, pick something that diminishes quicker than harmonic series

mmmm water physics justatest

Spleesh splash

lemme see, water physics + sg bug = crash? trollagent

Can't wait to become a water dino

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velramp visualized. tw2 should probably have a curve not going down. but that would break (all?) maps.

can't wait to abuse the shit out of the physics tw_toptri

clamping accel would work no

@Ravie It's a personal thing. All fast paced games that feels good kinda gets destroyed by adding water... Slows everything down and if you are playing, you kinda wanna get out of the water as fast as possible because it's such a punishment, and it doesn't feel good

Zwelf

velramp visualized. tw2 should probably have a curve not going down. but that would break (all?) maps.

That would definitely break every old map

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Most old maps I remember from 0.5 loved their speeder glitches

Why not make a total velocity system and have the walk's velocity, gravity's velocity and other elements' velocity separated, then calculated that way?

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@Zwelf velramp kinda simulates air resistance :hides:

Air what?

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I only hear negligible in the air

matricks

@Ravie It's a personal thing. All fast paced games that feels good kinda gets destroyed by adding water... Slows everything down and if you are playing, you kinda wanna get out of the water as fast as possible because it's such a punishment, and it doesn't feel good

yeah I think the idea would be to map it in a way that makes you wanna avoid it, but that is less punishing than straight up spikes

matricks

@Zwelf velramp kinda simulates air resistance :hides:

eeeeeh, does it though? where terminal velocity?

those old 255 arrow speed maps surely enforce backwards compability :p

velramp is basically if this speed is less, than what we need to trigger: clamp the velocity as if you are on air else: clamp the velocity as if you are on floor

@Learath2 Terminal Velocity is when you hit a nade

4 lines of code basically

Ravie

yeah I think the idea would be to map it in a way that makes you wanna avoid it, but that is less punishing than straight up spikes

Sounds like the dummy map Jelly

Cellegen

velramp is basically if this speed is less, than what we need to trigger: clamp the velocity as if you are on air else: clamp the velocity as if you are on floor

iirc velramp is literally just a multiplication

then does my solution gets any near? (edited)

all this coding talk

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i understand nothing

@Cellegen that would feel bad when you land because the velocity would instantly reduce a lot when you land

Ravie

yeah I think the idea would be to map it in a way that makes you wanna avoid it, but that is less punishing than straight up spikes

Didn't someone on the teeworlds discord make a cool harpoon aswell?

oh... wanna hear some more TW lore?

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no matricks, i would like if you get on the game, and tell us TW lore there :D

@spur You wanna play?

of course

Learath2

Didn't someone on the teeworlds discord make a cool harpoon aswell?

yeah but honestly that seems a bit too crazy for vanilla teeworlds, the water itself is very nice tho

@matricks this is why I thought that the condition should be only when you are on air, since this makes it so that the air resistance only activates, if you go below a certain threshold (edited)

you can also join the discord voice channel if you want, people want to hear the voice of the master mind behind all oof this

add more melee weapons in teeworlds thx

Oh, shall we do that?

yes, we shall

Hmm fine by me

I will get out oft my bed again

voice channel and ingame chat arent recorded for the history books, cool stories in the chat please :)

could record

Darius - ;v

I will get out oft my bed again

no sleep tonight whooo

could do that yes

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@deen will join us matricks

vc gonna be full soon

I can't unmute.....

@Keiss The same guy I reported came back

how do I mute myself?

Mr.Gh0s7

how do I mute myself?

Down left

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On the mic

nvm ;)

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ty

Broso56

could record

i started recording a few min ago, missed the first 10-15 mins prob

idk it started just a few mins ago

oh cool

so probably like 6-7 if u recorded a bit after u joined

awesome

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legendary shit rn

yeah ikr

teetow

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(Showing video, sorry for reply happy

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00:53

Ah, you can disable ping on replies, didn't know kek

I have spent thousands of hours in this game, by far the most fun ive ever had in a game, thank you very much for making this game

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I can say the same brownbear

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@Flocks hello how are you

we probably only have this modded tw because you made a game, not an engine. the game is only as strong as it is because of its community

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no community, no game

01:25

anyway, I'll go to sleep in a minute, good night

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Mixi

@Flocks hello how are you

hello

01:27

When teeworlds 2

https://discord.gg/MtBKSXkmag

Invite to join a server

[MRPG] - Teeworlds

💬・english-chat

What is this

mfw power outage...

01:39

@matricks really nice talking with you, have a nice night

Good night

@Learath2 Cheers man! If you are in Uppsala, hit me up (edited)

Learath2

mfw power outage...

Gn

matricks

@Learath2 Cheers man! If you are in Uppsala, hit me up (edited)

I've been thinking of going to Stockholm sometime towards the end of may, will definitely make my way up to Uppsala if I do

01:42

Also @Cellegen don't bore the man with our ddos problems

01:42

He already jumped ship once because of them

yy

I am learning rl (machine leanring) and ofc is tw ;) it's really fun. As others said meeting ppl is always fun!

https://www.twitch.tv/stepfunn

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wtf advertising

advertising ?

Poggies

ADVERTISING =?!

real matricks

01:55

:O

#freemixi

I asked for it

Vappy

#freemixi

Vappy

#freemixi

#freetyrone

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01:56

why is tyrone even banned from this discord (edited)

Mixi

youre banned?

did 0 wrong

funman

youre banned?

yes

lol

01:57

gores persecution

Qshar Moment

qfart

Mr.Gh0s7

I am learning rl (machine leanring) and ofc is tw ;) it's really fun. As others said meeting ppl is always fun!

zogtib ( @zogtib ) has the motivation to do deeworlds 3d teeworlds https://github.com/gotroyb127/deeworlds @matricks (edited)

Wait, the real matricks and teetow are back?

yes

01:58

join call

and my lil bro is probably learn coding so he can code teeworlds

i hope matricks saw all the tw fanart this server is making ....

Voxel

i hope matricks saw all the tw fanart this server is making ....

post it and tag him

Yeah, well i think somone told him to check pins in #showroom

02:04

idk if he did

Or just play football :)

02:07

In TeeWorlds :)

02:08

no way its noby

noby

02:09

fr

@Cellegen Zombies cafe is the server hosted by kaffeine which is the main one

this is facts

Qfart moment

Warioware moment

Cellegen

connect 176.9.114.238:8401

02:13

f1

When update warioware :(

02:25

@noby

Damnim@not home

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02:26

Tell them play fng

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02:26

Lol

Nooby o.o

02:26

Someone sharescreen :0

noby

Tell them play fng

i tried

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get my skin

voidefault

02:37

was a fun night, cya all

rq

Mixi

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Pro

02:42

3:42am gang

goodnight all!

badnight

20:00 CET (edited)

@Cellegen nobody asked

02:45

@Skeith Can you make an Event date on 20:00 CET for celebrating playtime with Matricks?

Don't believe moderators have access to events

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02:47

Cellegen

20:00 CET (edited)

ictf

Chrona ❤️

@funman u sound like the one friend of joel haver

02:50

if u know him

ive seen a bit of his

there we go

02:53

This is also a new mod coming out soon, still in development but its a cool 1v1 race mod https://discord.gg/fSMxejhr

02:54

cot 1 or 2?

Gn8 @matricks thanks so much for taking your time and sharing your stories ^^ playing was super fun together especially your thoughts on game design were so interesting and valuable, like constricting yourself to be creative or only adding features to solve specific problems. cheers :)

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<3 @matricks made this for you, love you much. look forward to playing tommorow (edited)

someone deleted all cats

this is sacrilege

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Why this account Tyrone?