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Just delete this function
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Nice design =] (edited)
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jao's hairy kebab 2023-02-15 08:22:50Z
can u make it move from the mouse
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maybe
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Overlord
Click to see attachment 🖼️
@Ryozuki
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Learath2
@Ryozuki
12:01
Why do U summon him he wont lend me anymore mangas
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Thats me
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Ryozuki
Thats me
Nah rea Ryozuki looks different and is rust oriented
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interesting af
justatest 1
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no reason to hack ddnet
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niche game
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2b2t is built different
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literally hackers playing on it
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The reason why people play on it is because of its history. The reason you hack on it is because of no rules which leads to people using them. Which led to it becoming a must-have to survive on it. The reason some go so far as to hack the server, backdoor plugins Hause could install, social engineering an exploit into paper, yada yada ya. is. because of recognition, money, and the fun/learning experience. (edited)
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Normal human beings wouldn't understand it. But as a game hacking maniac myself, I would have done it too if I was capable to do it.
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texnonik
https://youtu.be/LtizwBoY0no hope this will not happen with ddnet
2B2T, hosted by Housemaster, the most ridiculous hoster ever. Promising anarchy, but he intends to control everything himself, abusing queue "premium" skips which lets to a "pay to join" type of business and is mostly known for breaking Minecraft's EULA a couple of times.
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So deserved
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from here in DDNet, there is no reason to do such things, as in this is not an anarchy community (thank god)
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Cellegen
2B2T, hosted by Housemaster, the most ridiculous hoster ever. Promising anarchy, but he intends to control everything himself, abusing queue "premium" skips which lets to a "pay to join" type of business and is mostly known for breaking Minecraft's EULA a couple of times.
Are you flaming him now on his monetizing scheme to afford the thousand dollars or more he pays monthly to keep it running?
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then that's not a good argument to hate him
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clearly, that's the point of being disrespectful to him, cuz he ain't a single drop respectful to anyone
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proof?
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I have never seen him be disrespectful
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if you know his history, his actions and the youtubers who covered him, you would know
16:06
there are plenty of sources, write 2b2t housemaster in youtube and you'll find plenty
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give me valid points instead of making me google shit that aren't valid arguments
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muting, taking away premium queue from people that are straight up trolls and hurt the server is a reason for you to hate him?
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basically all of FitMC's 2b2t content covers him, housemaster in a weird, but valid way
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FitMC never shittalked Hause
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I don't need to present documents or any bullshit, you can do it yourself
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FitMC never shittalked Hause
Bro, that's not what I wrote
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I wrote that he made documents about him which is not in a positive perspective
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That's what you imply if you take him as source for you to hate hause
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(btw the video isn't even about 2b2t @default @Cellegen)
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because fitmc never talked down hause
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That's what you imply if you take him as source for you to hate hause
As a player, I don't give a shit about him, I mind my business, as well as him. As a hoster, he is using manipulative techniques in order to lure players onto his own profit
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he after all is the reason he can earn a living making youtube videos about an old server
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Cellegen
As a player, I don't give a shit about him, I mind my business, as well as him. As a hoster, he is using manipulative techniques in order to lure players onto his own profit
onto profit that he has to invest in keeping the server online
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But why are you defending him in the first place, if you don't know what's going on with hausemaster and 2b2t?
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Not like he needs any
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you are a nice player if you don't care that it's not free to run a server that is over 30TB big or what it was
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Cellegen
But why are you defending him in the first place, if you don't know what's going on with hausemaster and 2b2t?
I am a player myself
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It's hausemaster's choise to run it, I don't see your point
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it's the players choice to pay for premium queue
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I have problems about his ways to accomplish profit from players, WHICH IS AGAINST MINECRAFT'S EULA
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defaulto discussion moment
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It has been covered by FitMC also
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who the fuck cares about Microsofts rules
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sure, I do
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have you seen how shit they made bedrock
16:12
micro transaction heaven
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relevance?
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that you care about their EULA
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about bedrock and 2b2t?
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nothing
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like simp more for microsoft
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gerdoe
defaulto discussion moment
help me xd
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like simp more for microsoft
This is like saying that "Oh, so this company is shit, so I can break the rules however I want"
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there's no sense to argue with defaulto (edited)
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It's fucking Microsoft, there are consequences
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He probably made deals with them not to shut 2b2t down
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That's what's makes him shady
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What breaks the EULA then
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Hypixel monetizes their servers too
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Using the playerbase as a profit for your own benefit. It's there
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What happened, they made a game that Microsoft bought
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and it's told by every Minecraft youtuber and NOTCH ITSELF
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like imagine playing 2b2t
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and watching minecraft youtubers
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What happened, they made a game that Microsoft bought
Microsoft still enforces the EULA, but Hausemaster either dodges them, or made a deal with them, cuz if it's so profitable (considering that there are hundreds of players paying monthly for a premium subscription, again illegal according to EULA)
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and fanboying notch who never said anything about the EULA
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You know what EULA is in the first place?
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an agreement you agree to if you want to play minecraft
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That's like, enforcement rule sets
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So, you shouldn't just ignore that it's a legit rule set to follow if you are doing anything with the game
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or any game which has EULA at all
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yea but it apparently doesn't break the rules if Hypixel earns more and is allowed to do that
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its probably about the method of monetization, no?
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imo that queue monetization is pretty shitty
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If Teeworlds would have an EULA, then first: It must be enforced onto players, hosters and developers equally. Second: the playerbase must be controlled by that EULA
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Patiga
imo that queue monetization is pretty shitty
yea lets have cosmetics instead that no one would buy
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people buy cosmetics?
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Patiga
its probably about the method of monetization, no?
Method of monetization, Staff moderation and usually, the person himself
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So far he is sorely responsible for all the negative things happening in 2b2t
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Not smth you must ignore
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He is responsible
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You mean him allowing that stuff on an anarchy server?
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That's the whole idea of an anarchy server
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Unmoderated server. And if you hurt the server itself. Punishment in form of premium queue ban or mutes. (edited)
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How he does moderation is my own personal opinion, simply it's the community's issue, but normally monetization in a way, where it's similar to a Casino is absurd, even for Microsoft itself
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Where is it a Casino now
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if you buy premium queue
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you get instantly on the server
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With that knowledge, that he uses manipulative methods to maintain his server makes him a weird, disrespectful hoster
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Where is it a Casino now
Casino with their methods on making sure, that they get every ounce of money out of players are very similar to 2b2t's methods
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there's a difference between only allowing premium queue players on the server
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The conclusion of this video is that hausmaster actually didn't do anything bad lol
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and having half of the players on the server be free-tier players
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and the other one paying players
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I think it is fair
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Did you watch the whole video even?
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pilonpl
The conclusion of this video is that hausmaster actually didn't do anything bad lol
What am I trying to prove?
16:23
He is the one who doesn't proof his arguments and shittalks the server (edited)
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He also explained, that the queue has been programmed in a way, which lures players to make their premium purchases, Intentionally
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While I find his persona cringe
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Against EULA.
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Quoting notch
16:23
Watching Minecraft YouTubers
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I made valid points, did I not?
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giving a fuck about Microsoft who doesn't care about their players
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Running a server costs a lot of money
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hence implementing a chat report system that can be used to get people permanently banned from the game (edited)
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which the community had to bypass themself
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know your game
16:25
if you are playing on 2b2t, you would't shittalk it that hard
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gerdoe
there's no sense to argue with defaulto (edited)
and then there is this mod here who thinks arguing with me is harder than with this 13 year old
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Documents are there in Youtube videos, Youtubers covering this issue, which themselves have more experience, than I do Facts which you cannot prove it otherwise, cuz there are no documents covering it And you protecting him makes it very idiotic, cuz you cannot show any positive thing Hausemaster made, before he made his retirement as Main hoster before 2014
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Answer this one ^
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he never retired?
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He covered this one as well
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and then there is this mod here who thinks arguing with me is harder than with this 13 year old
nah just you are acting like arguing about 2b2t is your life stone that you need to keep your whole existence
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Literally the thumbnail shows it, the message is real in the 2b2t discord server
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I want to debunk his fake-news fueled hatred against a normal server
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kekW you call 2b2t normal, ok delusional (edited)
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everyone'll have their opinions, just tell yours and go with it
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gerdoe
everyone'll have their opinions, just tell yours and go with it
I did, hopefully he can counter it with something meaningful
16:28
can't wait
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Cellegen
kekW you call 2b2t normal, ok delusional (edited)
if you think otherwise you aren't the target audience the server is made for but just some kid who followed some youtuber
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like go on, argue like that on a 2b2t discord server
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I have no relations with 2b2t retard
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you will get burned
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Cellegen
I have no relations with 2b2t retard
you claimed you are a player
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I saw all documents about hausemaster
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that's it
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as a player in general, not a player of 2b2t
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Hausmaster is quite reasonable i think
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good to know
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He is a bit controversial
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But it's just a minecraft server
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like all minecraft servers
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Which costs money to run
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And
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Hausmaster probably just wants to earn some money
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Question, do you know why Hypixel cannot do microtransactions and premium memberships?
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he's gonna say it!
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They can lol
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Do they now?
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They do have premium meberships
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Vip
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Maybe they provide stuff which doesn't give advantage against players, which is fine
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But they also had stories about having excessive amount of monetization, similar to 2B2T
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Priority queue doesn't five any advantage either i guess
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the result was, Microsoft made Hypixel change the ways they monetize their products, including the main pages
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Back to 2B2T, where did you ever see a change in monetization?
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their methods or their products?
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There is no need for one then
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If you would be right
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Would hausemaster be able to change monetization and be legal in terms of Microsoft's EULA? ofc
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but this would cost him much more profit, than he already gained
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so he wont
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But he doesn't break the eula
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As a hoster, you prioritize your profits to be as much as possible, this mentality I get from every game hoster
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pilonpl
But he doesn't break the eula
He manipulates the god damn queue system, people queue for hours at the time while premium members get there instantly
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He lies about the amount of player slots available
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Where does he manipulate it
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Cellegen
He manipulates the god damn queue system, people queue for hours at the time while premium members get there instantly
That doesn't give you any in game advantage tho
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He lures players onto their products, which is similar to Casino methods
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If he reserves x slot for free-tier, and x slots for premium-tier
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Back to the main issue: This made him being dispespectful
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And you only get to join when one leaves
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Cellegen
Back to the main issue: This made him being dispespectful
That's not being disrespectful
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Don't care about how you see their methods
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say why I can't say that he is disrespectful as a hoster?
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It's your opinion
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which you criticize?
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But with your arguments you won't find anyone listening to you
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So what you criticize about
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is everything else, but not this
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No I am trying to open your eyes
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You have no proof whatsoever
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You aren't even playing
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Do you play 2b2t?
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I gave you a recent video from Salc1 about that premium queue issue
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and the server not being at its capacity
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yes or no?
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which btw proves that hause plays around with the slots of each tier
16:38
in benefit of free players
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I don't think you can really criticize the queue system because for free players it's not like they loose anything and paid players get a better service. How is that wrong?
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Ok I'm out
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Thought I can argue peacefully
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Cellegen
yes or no?
Yes I am a player
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I was a member of the imperials
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and dedicated a lot of time in my school years to that server (edited)
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I am pretty sure I know more about the server than you with all of these videos you watched
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You, a spectator, couldn't even give me a single link to a video, forum post, or something else, that shows how Hausemaster is disrespectful to its players
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pilonpl is right, he is controversial due to his actions. but in no way did he insult players, nor has been disrespectful in any other way.
16:43
if people pay to not have to wait 8 hours to join the server, then that's their choice. I call that knowing the worth of your time/having a steady money flow income. The minimum wage here in Germany is around 11€. If you rather wait 8 hours every single time you want to join a server instead of paying 20$ every month that you can pay with 2 hours of work here. Then yea, it's up to you. The system though is in no way unfair. If everyone starts to buy a premium queue subscription. The premium queue gets longer (instead of being empty) because only a set amount of premium players can be on the server at the same time. Resulting in free-to-play players getting faster on the server. (edited)
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I think the only weird thing is how hausmaster censored the official 2b2t subreddit
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I was never there when it happened. But legends say he had a base and killed people finding it. The legend also claims he reloaded the chunks and moved his base. (edited)
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Which coming from a server owner who says doesn't put his hands on how people play the server passively plays on the server. Would be a controversial move. (edited)
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Ryozuki
interesting af
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pilonpl
I think the only weird thing is how hausmaster censored the official 2b2t subreddit
reddit users are weird anyways. didn't really impact me. probably was wrong to do so too. (edited)
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Idk, i use subreddits like r/cats
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Because i like cats
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The internet was created for sharing pictures of cats
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On the servers I moderate we have a staff-only channel where we share our cats
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I hope this server has one too
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Its possible to check that
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I have to admit, I don't use Betterdiscord
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But yes. It's possible.
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Because staff only channels aren't entirely hidden
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For some reason
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Dont want to butt in but just want to add my two cents, priority logging/joining been know to mmo games for years and in some it does give an advantage (in all those that if U die U are logged out) and second thing... does microsoft really forces private server owners to do things the way microsoft envisions? If so then it wont be long till somone just recreates the game in open source manner
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Overlord
Dont want to butt in but just want to add my two cents, priority logging/joining been know to mmo games for years and in some it does give an advantage (in all those that if U die U are logged out) and second thing... does microsoft really forces private server owners to do things the way microsoft envisions? If so then it wont be long till somone just recreates the game in open source manner
The difference is that you don't get logged out if you get killed. (edited)
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There were events hosted by groups of players that intentionally got free-tier players kicked using methods on the players that make them act in a way that the anti-cheat would kick for (edited)
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Or chunk banned people (which would affect premium queue members as well)
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But could U tell me about the second part? Does microsoft really force private server owners to "manage them" the way corporation wants?!
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I don't care about Microsoft. Nor did run a server as large as the ones mentioned throughout this discussion. I wouldn't know.
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But the person who kept using the EULA as an argument on a server that doesn't break it probably does!
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Oh yea. But I do remember.
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Aight, Thanks, jf there is ever an answer in this thread hope somone pings me, as so far i have never heard about such sithation of priv servers
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Salc1 did a few duping on p2w servers.
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And in one of the latest ones I think he showed you how to report servers that are actually against Microsofts guidelines.
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So they can take down those servers. Yes. Probably in form of a lawsuit. "If you don't stop hosting that kind of a server. We will fine you into debt.". Basically taking away the money they earned with that kind of server. Which based on experiences on Club Penguin's private servers. Doesn't work 10 out of 10 times. (edited)
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Lmao clown world
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Microsoft should just launch their own servers... whats the point of having private one if U cant make it the way U want, doesnt matter if U are a greedy arsehole or somone who envisions grand rpg world and does it free of charge
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You mean servers that you can rent that you can do anything with?
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I mean whats the difference between hosting it in ur basement or renting
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Probably wouldn't get picked up by a lot. Because cost is a critical factor for your choice to pick a server provider.
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The physical machine doesnt matter
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The physical machine doesn't matter. The cost does.
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Im talking about "server" as in world U connect into
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Yes. Which 2b2t is. (edited)
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Yet if you store 30TB+ of world data on SSDs. (edited)
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That stuff gets pricey.
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As in lets say according to local law U can host sex rpg adventures without checking age of users except simple "are you over 18" but according to microsoft not really so they would take U down?
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Yet if you store 30TB+ of world data on SSDs. (edited)
Just store it on ram for faster access
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Im surprised that engine can work with 30tb files unless they"re split and processed "intelligently"
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I mostly come from mmo games that have problem with world mapa over 350mb
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Overlord
As in lets say according to local law U can host sex rpg adventures without checking age of users except simple "are you over 18" but according to microsoft not really so they would take U down?
I don't know. It's their game. Some Club Penguin PS's were doing nothing wrong and haven't had staff teams on them that would molest kids on the internet. (edited)
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Yet Disney ended up just taking down every server
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They have the rights to that game. They can do whatever they want with it. (edited)
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I don't know. It's their game. Some Club Penguin PS's were doing nothing wrong and haven't had staff teams on them that would molest kids on the internet. (edited)
Probably ghosted servers
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Well thats why opensource is the only way for future
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It probably is
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But competition leads to innovation
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What is competition in this case? Another company making miencraft v2 or U mean server owners competing?(they already do tho)
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Since pool of players is limited
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I mean Minecraft isn't free
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They made some money with it
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But since you generalized it, I generalized it as well
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Btw in case od "Tibia" and open tibia the original company stole a lot from open source community
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I never played Tibia
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All U have to know is open tibia turned out superior ever since they got stable engines
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Sounds good
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But sadly despite being open source people only see money so instead of contributing when the find flaws in engine or whatever protocol they abuse it to ruin competition
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They"re kinda like pirates, take what U can, give nothing back
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I mean if everyone could do whatever they wanted
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And wouldn't have to live to survive
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Money would be the last thing I would care about
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But sadly money runs the world and I doubt there will be fully automated societies that survive (edited)
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Yes but somone didnt think about money and saved U thousands of hours of work so atleast i would feel bad using it to earn and contributing nothing
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Using it commercially*
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That's bad actors being bad actors
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Yeah atleast ddnet can survive with donations tho in this case even if ddnet itself were to go down there would still be servers to play on just no points system and probably harder to get a new map
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I hope it does finance itself for at least a couple more years
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Looked good so far
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Cellegen
2B2T, hosted by Housemaster, the most ridiculous hoster ever. Promising anarchy, but he intends to control everything himself, abusing queue "premium" skips which lets to a "pay to join" type of business and is mostly known for breaking Minecraft's EULA a couple of times.
he is not talking about 2b2t :/ but about minecraftonline oldest server of minecraft
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@Learath2 @Overlord
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 @Overlord
i know a great way to save money on food
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To save money, you should buy only the stuff you'll use eventually
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girls: Our cloth dungeon will have 10 new trousers, t-shirts, bras, whatever I found on Amazon
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also girls: wear only 5 clothes a week, which they'll wash them just to wear them again (edited)
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Cellegen
To save money, you should buy only the stuff you'll use eventually
i can tell u save money by taking showers only once a month
twinbop 1
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I shower twice a day, cuz I'm not sweating like a discord mod
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 @Overlord
Should stop eating sleep for dinner
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