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Untgrad scene from Idiocracy

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I've only known this movie was a thing for a couple days. Watched it yesterday. Disturbing shit mostly, but also funny. An unfortunately holds a bit of truth to it.

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Blade draw it for me:>

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Did Dream Fake His Speedruns - Official Moderator Analysis

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That was 2 years ago

13:29

Actually he was extremely unlucky

13:29

Because it's quite hard to accidentally cheat

кто украинец

Youtube has some issues with thier servers i think

14:17

Some videos don't work

14:17

Idk

14:17

This is weird

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14:25

would you eat this

@Bylldgo

14:27

kanka haksız banmi yedin

Küfür ettiğim için

14:27

onada değil

14:28

arkadaşıma yazdım* (edited)

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15 dakika ban attı

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altına da block yazdı

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ASLĞFMÖASĞÜFASÖ

@Bylldgo %100 eminmisin

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normalde arkadasin bisey demese bile küfür etmek yasak ama

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uyarmadan

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ban atmamali

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mute mi attı ban mi @Bylldgo

15dk ban

allahallah

14:30

sen bi

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adminlere ulaş eğer hala haksız ban attigini dusunuyosan

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mute atmalı en kötü yani

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ban olmamış.

I don't know what language this is but it looks funny

pilonpl

I don't know what language this is but it looks funny

Turkish

I just imagine monkey noises while reading this lol

pilonpl

I just imagine monkey noises while reading this lol

youll have fun if you learn Turkish

Idk, it's a useless language

feelsbadman

German is quite useful i think

14:42

Because Germany is quite a good country

What about Poland :(

I am from poland

14:42

So

Do u now like it?

Idk

not*

Poland has some issues

English language is so easy compared to others :/

Idk

14:49

I think it's because English is the default language for basically everything

14:49

Games and movies

14:51

Also you start learning it pretty early on in your life

Its not only because of it

English is actually linguistically pretty horrible from a learning standpoint

14:52

The pronunciations are unregularized. Though, thorough, rough, plough

pilonpl

Also you start learning it pretty early on in your life

I started learning English only like 4 years ago

14:53

Before i even couldnt write anything in present simple

I started watching yt in English in 2020

Learath2

The pronunciations are unregularized. Though, thorough, rough, plough

true but i don't think it's worse than learning german grammar xD

Learath2

The pronunciations are unregularized. Though, thorough, rough, plough

My favourite type of words

or french in that matter

14:53

they're similair

queue

pilonpl

I started watching yt in English in 2020

Watching yt is an extremely effective way of learning languages

justatest

The conjugation of verbs is also unregular. Go, gone, went. Eat, ate, eaten. Buy, bought, bought. Ask, asked, asked.

MilkeeyCat

queue

Omg this "queue" bitch worst word ever

Just q xd

Plurals are unregular. Cat -> Cats, Fish -> Fish, Octopus -> Octopuses, Focus -> Foci, Goose -> Geese, Moose -> Moose

Learath2

The conjugation of verbs is also unregular. Go, gone, went. Eat, ate, eaten. Buy, bought, bought. Ask, asked, asked.

thats like in most langs tho

Mouse mice

Fuck

i think most languages have unregular plurals

Ryozuki

thats like in most langs tho

In turkish and japanese there is a single rule. Verb root + past postfix with matching sound to the root

learn esperanto

14:58

kek

Just to say one word in czech i have to learn 10 tables like this. Life is good

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Learath2

The conjugation of verbs is also unregular. Go, gone, went. Eat, ate, eaten. Buy, bought, bought. Ask, asked, asked.

Also the unregular ones are also the most useful ones so you'll learn them quickly

Ryozuki

learn esperanto

Si

fun fact fishes = multiple species of fish plural fish = multiple fish of the same species

3

They can be used as a singular pronoun

pilonpl

Also the unregular ones are also the most useful ones so you'll learn them quickly

Mostly, but one day you'll need the past simple version of thrive and you'll be thrown off

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Or wind, that one is most unexpected too

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Or broadcast

throve?

Learath2

In turkish and japanese there is a single rule. Verb root + past postfix with matching sound to the root

Well I guess in japanese it would be past postfix with the appropriate level of politeness

Ryozuki

throve?

yep

predictable

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given other words

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drove

Everyone should just use one language

catalan

15:02

thats it

But some people would be like "nO WeCanT bEcaUse CuLtUrE"

the world is too big for 1 lang

15:03

it would deform in some parts

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and ultimately form a new lang

Mh, I think everyone should know one international language but we should keep our individual languages

15:04

Translated to english anime sounds shit and I can't live like that

even the same lang changes in parts of the country

Idk, there are quite a few English speaking countries

15:05

For me English is English

Learath2

Mh, I think everyone should know one international language but we should keep our individual languages

i think everyone should know 3 languages especially English.

There is the UK English and the USA English (simplified)

But if you say trunk in america it'd be an elephants trunk or a tree trunk, in the uk it'd be a cars trunk

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In the UK you get petrol from the petrol station to fill up your car, in the US if you ask for petrol you are getting crude oil

15:08

In the UK if you ask for gas you are getting LPG

Also there is this weird exception with the word "hospital"

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1619706759400263680

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PES3_WeirdSip

Peace was never an option

"Take me to hospital" in the UK. "Take me to the hospital" in the US

I don't like "the" and "a"/"an"

One thing that is nice about english is it's lack of grammatical gender. I absolutely hate having to remember whether a table is male or female when talking french

Yes

Learath2

One thing that is nice about english is it's lack of grammatical gender. I absolutely hate having to remember whether a table is male or female when talking french

thats also in spanish catalan

15:13

things have gender xd

I think all romance languages have it

15:13

Italian too

Also the singular they

singular they soundsb ad

15:13

stallman argues well against it

i have been studying for English snce 2019 i have just started to speak

https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html

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kek

Ryozuki

singular they soundsb ad

No, "someone lost their wallet"

15:14

This is just perfect

I actually got used to the singular they after hearing it

15:15

"They lost their wallet" sounds ok to me

It makes so much sense

15:15

Imagine "someone lost his wallet"

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These are crafted examples

singular they is ambigous

In the first sentence, "he internalized it" would also be ambiguous e.g.

ambiguous

Did the dad internalize it or the kid?

Learath2

In the first sentence, "he internalized it" would also be ambiguous e.g.

no it wouldnt

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cuz he would refer to the child always

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it has always singular meaning

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whereas they has singular and plural

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so thats why they would be confusing

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as if its refering to just the child or both child and parent

Ryozuki

it has always singular meaning

The dad is plural?

"A mother beats up her daughter because she was drunk"

i dont mean on ur answer

he can refer just as well to the kid there if the kid is also male

he internalized it wouldnt be ambigous

It would definitely be ambiguous if you are reading it as uncharitably as you are reading the first one

15:19

In fact whether they or he is used there it's actually obvious from the context who the pronoun is replacing. Why would the dad be thinking that? It's absurd

they is bad in singular cuz it can be ambigious in that u are refering to 1 or both

15:19

it doesnt happen with singular prons

Just use "the dad" "the child"

I can make the same argument for any pronoun. Pronouns are to be evaluated contextfully. Without context there is no way to assign any sane meaning to them. A confusion between plural and singular is just an extension of that, it's not any different from a confusion between the subjects

Then are we supposed to use male pronouns if we don't know the gender?

15:21

Then it's also ambiguous

its a truth they for singular in most contexts sounds bad

15:22

otherwise lots of ppl wouldnt say otherwise

What do you use instead?

the name most probs

"The pope and the prime minister really enjoyed their time together. Afterwards, she attended the meeting of the cabinet" this one is clear, women can't be the pope, pope wouldn't attend a cabinet meeting "The pope and the prime minister really enjoyed their time together. Afterwards, he went to pray at the Vatican." How about this one? Can't the prime minister be the one praying? Doesn't the pope pray?

prime minister cant be a wamen in some places too i think

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xd

Probably yes

The only way to decode the second sentence is to know prior context. If we were talking about the prime ministers day before and after the sentence it's probably the prime minister who went to pray.

spanish and catalan is kinda superior in this case

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cuz u can omit the pronoun altogether

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and people know who u are talking about

Ryozuki

otherwise lots of ppl wouldnt say otherwise

Don't forget a lot of people have ulterior motives in this debate. It's really hard to gauge what people actually think

Learath2

Don't forget a lot of people have ulterior motives in this debate. It's really hard to gauge what people actually think

yeah

15:25

stallman suggest the pronoun "per pers"

15:25

xd

In my opinion "Someone lost their wallet" sound perfectly fine. Maybe even better than "Someone lost his wallet"

i respect a person's choice of gender identification by using the pronouns and words that go with it. "Person" (or "perse"), "per", and "pers" are gender-neutral; they respect any gender identification, just as completely as singular "they" would do. I would not presume to dictate to other people what pronouns they should use in their speech, but we can all state our preferences and the reasons behind them.

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As for "they", if you are plural by nature — for instance, if you are a colonial organism or a group mind, or if you wish to be known for having multiple personalities — I will use that plural pronoun to refer to you.

Ryozuki

cuz u can omit the pronoun altogether

Turkish, italian and japanese also have this and it's great/10. You can omit subjects

xd

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colonial organism

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@Learath2 are u a colonial organism

I identify as a loser and want the pronouns lost/loser to be used when referring to me

Learath2

In my opinion "Someone lost their wallet" sound perfectly fine. Maybe even better than "Someone lost his wallet"

Using "his" isn't great either because then if we say "her" we immediately know that the person was a woman while "his" can mean either man or a woman

his being overloaded there to also take the role of the "unknown" pronoun is indeed annoying

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"We need to look for him". Am I looking for a guy? Am I looking for someone of unknown gender? I guess all I know is that I'm looking for a singular entity

And also some people would argue it implies that the default human is a male

spanish uses male pronoun as default too

pilonpl

And also some people would argue it implies that the default human is a male

That is one debate I'm not touching with an 80ft pole. My position is that pronouns are ambiguous by nature, singular them isn't anything new, singular them isn't any more ambiguous then the other pronouns

padres (fathers) means parents

But for me it doesn't actually discriminate anyone because the the default murderer is also a man

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In polish we have a lot of gendered stuff

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"ja byłem"/"ja byłam"

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"i was"

Turkish is above these pesky problems. No gendered nouns, not even gendered pronouns

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3rd person is "O" 2nd person is "Sen"

faster mre

Btw why do we have separate toilets for men and women?

speak

It doesn't make any sense at all lol

pilonpl

Btw why do we have separate toilets for men and women?

for the comfort of women

pilonpl

Btw why do we have separate toilets for men and women?

so women don't look at urinals and feel discriminated

It's quite inefficient

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But guess it's advantages for me most of the time

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Lol

pilonpl

Btw why do we have separate toilets for men and women?

Urinals are great, women prefer not to see random dick

Urinals should be separated then

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And i also don't like to see random dicks

i heard stories about gender neutral WCs on unis

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they ended up being woman only (not by rules because women would cry i think)

Fun fact: it's not illegal to use the "wrong" toilet

fun fact, it doesnt matter, if u are a man with a dick police will be called on u

Ryozuki

i heard stories about gender neutral WCs on unis

Almost all wcs in my uni is gender neutral. They just don't have urinals. Easy

but if ur a woman not, altho its still wrong

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if u go to the wrong wc

Because the separation is totally arbitrary and no one can really do anything about you using the wrong room lol

i mean i wouldnt say arbitrary

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actually i prefer it this way, so i dont have to queue

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woman fill the WC for long times

Do you want to argue with a random person that they're using the wrong bathroom? Lol

It's very concrete in fact. Arbitrary would be if we put a random guy at the door and he would assign your toilet randomly

the only good things left

It's literally just a thicker wall Between the toilets

15:46

It literally makes no sense at all

There is actually one other logical reason to keep it like this

People like it this way

Operating under the assumption that men are faster. If you segregate bathrooms you are increasing parallelism

I am not faster lol

i am faster

blazingly fast

the urinal makes it even faster

15:48

and to achieve chadness, pee by another

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without 1 between (edited)

15:49

That is assuming men and women use the bathroom roughly the same amount and the spread of frequency is tight enough that you don't get random spikes of women

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Anyway, urinals good, women don't want people with dicks in their bathrooms is good enough for me

the life of a dick bearer

15:50

smh

Learath2

Anyway, urinals good, women don't want people with dicks in their bathrooms is good enough for me

Ryozuki

the life of a dick bearer

In exchange you get the quickpiss perk

the boner perk too

Ryozuki

the boner perk too

Debatable whether that's a perk or a debuff

Women actually often are scared of men for some reason

ye i was joking xd

pilonpl

Women actually often are scared of men for some reason

At least on tiktok

dont watch tiktok

Yeah tiktok is brainrot

15:52

It gives you a false sense of what's normal and what's not

I don't watch tiktok anymore

watch a documentary

Ryozuki

watch a documentary

About rust?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkaxUblCGz0

Our Planet | Forests | FULL EPISODE | Netflix

A documentary about what?

full hd on yt

I watch tutorials for software i don't use

david attenborough heavenly voice

pilonpl

I watch tutorials for software i don't use

I've been binging blender tutorials. It's very good

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I know a lot about geometry nodes now and I don't even model anything ever

Learath2

About rust?

idk why i dont like watching videos about programming

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unless they are by that intel hacker

Ryozuki

idk why i dont like watching videos about programming

I only like very deep stuff by very good presenters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR0nh-TdpVg

The Memory Sinkhole - Unleashing An X86 Design Flaw Allowing Univer...

Not run of the mill programming best practices shit

Learath2

I only like very deep stuff by very good presenters

ye

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that shit

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but there aint much

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its mostly js devs

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doing trends

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with their fancy 3 monitor setup and anti popping mic

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and a table that looks like a model

I like 3b1b

pilonpl

I like 3b1b

yes thats good

I think mine is a little wider than you though. I can also watch things about the standard library and algorithm design. So maybe mid deep is also enjoyable for me

15:56

3b1b is an extremely great resource for getting intuition about sometimes very complex math

I also watch mytbusters

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I got all the episodes from the internet

also kurzgesagt

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and there is a math one

Ryozuki

also kurzgesagt

Popsci is very fun to watch, but you have to be very critical while watching

Kurzgesagt had some propaganda or something recently

Kurzgesagt is usually on point, but even they let some bias slip in there sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/@standupmaths

I do mathematics and stand-up. Sometimes simultaneously. Occasionally while being filmed. (It's quite the Venn diagram.) Principle channel supporter: Jane Street https://www.janestreet.com/ http://standupmaths.com http://twitter.com/standupmaths

15:58

i like this guy too

https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI

Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell

The Egg - A Short Story

Ryozuki

https://www.youtube.com/@standupmaths

Excellent videos too

oh and Vsauce is legend

This is a great video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDrBIKOR01c

Messages For The Future

15:58

one of my fav videos of all time

Veritasium is another that can be watched but you need to keep a critical eye

Learath2

Veritasium is another that can be watched but you need to keep a critical eye

He won't hesitate to shill for some companies like in his vid on self driving cars

Veritasium was actually correct about the electricity

15:59

Also I don't think his video about self driving cars was bad

its a bit shill

Like ofc self driving cars aren't perfect

i want more like Vsauce tho

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he does his vids in such a unique way

pilonpl

Like ofc self driving cars aren't perfect

Because they do not quite exist yet

philosophy

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oh there is a new vid 2 months ago

Do chairs exist?

ill need to watch it

Do math exist

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Does

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The fact that anything exists is mysterious on it's own

anyway

16:02

we all know vtubers best

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and the future

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kappa

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https://www.youtube.com/@AIChannel/videos

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justatest

yamete kudasai

pilonpl

The fact that anything exists is mysterious on it's own

Ontology is an interesting field of study for a philosopher

MilkeeyCat

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Chuunibyou was a vibe

is that turkish or what

16:10

imagine not watching english subbed

Ryozuki

is that turkish or what

Looks more like something southeast asian

thank me later

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the source itself

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they are on ryzon too

Indonesian apparently

Torrnets?

pilonpl

Torrnets?

if u dont want trash web streams ye

16:12

web streams get their anime from here

I honestly dont know discords stance on that. Lets not find out

But using torrents is illegal

where's the link ._.

pilonpl

But using torrents is illegal

thats so wrong

You have to be careful

torrents arent ilegal

16:12

the content may be

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but u cant stop the internet

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torrents are the best

Yes

one of the few distributed systems that work

16:12

the true blockchain

But yes, that was the source. They have a bot that automatically rips crunchyroll

I actually illegally downloaded 100gb of stuff

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From torrents

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Don't tell anyone

pilonpl

I actually illegally downloaded 100gb of stuff

This post officer

i would say "nyaa" there si another website thats the source too (edited)

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and its made up of words in my prev sentence

And i seeded like 20gb

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So that's definitely enough to sue me

Ryozuki

i would say "nyaa" there si another website thats the source too (edited)

Hard thing there is to know which groups make good encodes

saying the source like this reminds me of the game divinity original sins 2 xd

Learath2

Hard thing there is to know which groups make good encodes

well its mainly 2-3

16:14

i sort by leechers

16:14

to know the new good stuff

I watched a 1080p encode of attack on titan that looked like it was ripped from a camrip

this is actually a good archive for old anime, chrunchy doesnt have some anime from 2003

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or that era

Learath2

I watched a 1080p encode of attack on titan that looked like it was ripped from a camrip

xd

16:15

i like to download my 30gb anime movies

16:15

true blueray

Ryozuki

this is actually a good archive for old anime, chrunchy doesnt have some anime from 2003

There is a certain dex that starts with the name of a large body of water. It has a list of all the good encodes

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For each anime

16:16

With frame by frame comparisons

It also depends on the country you live in but even in poland there were cases where pirates were sued

its hard to sue torrents

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cuz the nature of torrents

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thats why its so good

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and still prevalent

16:17

once its in a torrent and a few trackers

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its already on the internet

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u cant remove it

Downloading stuff isn't illegal but sharing is at least in poland

but torrent is also used for legit downloads

So torrenting actually can be risky if you pirate polish movies

many linux distributions tell u to download them using torrent

I know

its a faster download and u dont burden their servers

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it also automatically secures that what u downloded is what u intended

Ryozuki

its hard to sue torrents

You can sue the people downloading them like germany. Germans are tough on that

because torrent verifies downloads with shas

16:19

sums

Ryozuki

but torrent is also used for legit downloads

i had all my information stolen because of the torrent

Learath2

You can sue the people downloading them like germany. Germans are tough on that

kek

cankick

i had all my information stolen because of the torrent

the torrent itself not

16:19

maybe the program u ran

Running random exe files is always dangerous

yes

Ryozuki

kek

I still vpn all my downloads even if italy doesnt care much. You can never be too safe

i never vpned my downloads

Less info the govt has better

You should always scab stuff with virus total

in spain they dont care i think xd

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and well i only download anime

16:20

they already know im a weeb

There isn't any automatic system so someone has to manually sue you

There was a rumor back in the day that germans were using honeypots to hunt people

Learath2

There was a rumor back in the day that germans were using honeypots to hunt people

justatest

probably true germans can be real nazis about illegal torrenting

You could also use a private tracker

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Or a seedbox

16:26

It's actually quite funny

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Because

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You can download stuff

16:26

So if you download stuff from your own server then it's technically legal

Problem with private trackers is getting in and maintaining ratio. Say you want anime, there are like 3 privates that are good and all 3 are very selective

Or just pay for the service and watch legally

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Oh wait

16:28

It's not accessible in my country

16:29

Imagine suing people for pirating content they can't get legally

pilonpl

Or just pay for the service and watch legally

i would if it filled my needs

16:32

they dont serve niche anime i like

It's cheaper

16:32

I don't think piracy is necessarily good or bad

16:33

Someone has to pay for the product

piracy is a necessary good

I buy all games

16:34

I don't really play a lot of games

16:35

Games are cheap compared to other stuff

16:36

I play mostly ddnet anyways lol

im mostly about the philosophical meaning behind it

16:36

http://timeline.manetas.com/texts/PiracyManifesto/

They only thing I don't like about piracy is that i wouldn't want people to just pirate my game or my book or whotever

@Lumpy ◐ω◑ there're events

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Interesting

16:43

Nice website

xD

Made with pain

it says love

I wonder if it's open source

https://github.com/MilkeeyCat/DDnet-Team-Searcher troll

troll

GitHub - MilkeeyCat/DDnet-Team-Searcher: Website where weirdos can ...

Website where weirdos can find another weirdos to play with each other - GitHub - MilkeeyCat/DDnet-Team-Searcher: Website where weirdos can find another weirdos to play with each other

16:45

and i still didnt add license feelsbadman

feelsbadman

16:45

i forgor what license ryozuki was talking about

Node js

yep

Why does it need a modified ddnet server?

it simply shutdown after you finish it

16:46

that's all modification xD

16:47

but i would like to add few sv_ commands

16:47

but i have no fucking clue how feelsbadman

feelsbadman

Why does it need a ddnet server at all lol

because this website can run own servers? 0_o

why

u can run website even without that tho

pilonpl

why

because i want so

16:49

._.

Fair enough

if everything will be as im dreaming

16:50

then ppl will be able to make big (useless) events without ddos

Do you just store passwords in a table?

16:52

Ok nvm

16:53

You should add salt tho

pilonpl

Do you just store passwords in a table?

how should i store them then? xD

MilkeeyCat

how should i store them then? xD

Encrypted pass and salt

16:57

Usually like that

password looks like this

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16:59

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Idk, i would just have columns password and salt where salt is just random stuff then i add salt to the password and hash the whole thing

MilkeeyCat

password looks like this

ur doing it fine

just dont put your real passwords and nothing bad will happen greenthing

greenthing

Ryozuki

ur doing it fine

so what license should i choose? xD

AGPL-3

17:23

affero gpl

MIT

MIT

17:45

If you want other people to touch your code, be able to share it and sell it

thonk

MilkeeyCat

thonk

dont listen to them

18:12

they think a company will use their software and suddenly gain fame and riches

18:12

but the reality is the company will just leech without sharing back

18:12

use AGPL-3 if you care about values and user rights

18:12

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.en.html (edited)

18:13

and what alexander said is false, with agpl people can also share and sell it

18:13

users will always have access to the source code tho

18:13

thus ensuring their right

18:18

When it comes to defending everyone's freedom, to lie down and do nothing is an act of weakness, not humility.

18:18

In the GNU Project we usually recommend people use copyleft licenses like GNU GPL, rather than permissive non-copyleft free software licenses. We don't argue harshly against the non-copyleft licenses—in fact, we occasionally recommend them in special circumstances—but the advocates of those licenses show a pattern of arguing harshly against the GPL.

>

In one such argument, a person stated that his use of one of the BSD licenses was an “act of humility”: “I ask nothing of those who use my code, except to credit me.” It is rather a stretch to describe a legal demand for credit as “humility,” but there is a deeper point to be considered here.

>

Humility is disregarding your own self-interest, but the interest you abandon when you don't copyleft your code is much bigger than your own. Someone who uses your code in a nonfree program is denying freedom to others, so if you allow that, you're failing to defend those people's freedom. When it comes to defending everyone's freedom, to lie down and do nothing is an act of weakness, not humility.

>

Releasing your code under one of the BSD licenses, or some other lax, permissive license, is not doing wrong; the program is still free software, and still a contribution to our community. But it is weak, and in most cases it is not the best way to promote users' freedom to share and change software.

18:18

BSD is MIT btw

when you have MIT license you can say you have no license xd

Ryozuki

they think a company will use their software and suddenly gain fame and riches

not really, I just have a superiority complex and it makes me feel really good to use a license like bsd or mit

so agpl-3 is about if you use it in closed source code you gonna get banned out of life?

justatest

Gewinum

so agpl-3 is about if you use it in closed source code you gonna get banned out of life?

thats why yandex uses pure gpl code troll

troll

troll

Technically agpl never got tested in court, so who knows what will happen

gerdoe

thats why yandex uses pure gpl code troll

troll

troll

XDD

18:32

stop_(n word)

But gpl did get tested in german court, so if you can sue someone in germany for it they will have to comply by the license and maybe pay you damages

did you see these .sh scripts, learath?

Gewinum

stop_(n word)

?????????

Learath2

?????????

ill send u it in dm

Learath2

?????????

relax

yeah its reference to yandex code

Gewinum

so agpl-3 is about if you use it in closed source code you gonna get banned out of life?

no,its like u breaking a propietary licensae

like don't get mad immediately

EXCUSE ME WHAT?

learath2 check dms

wtff is going on

18:34

xd

yeah check this lmao

poggers2

justatest

stop_(n word) is in yandex code

You can't be serious, what is that code even?

yandex sometimes accepts student programmers and thats what happens

there also was some kind of furry porn in yandex .ipynb

18:34

like really

XDDDD

furry porn in source code

lmao i didnt see it

don't even try to find it

My school informatics teacher works at yandex

18:35

He doesn't know a shit bout some stuff he needs to know lol

downloaded only 20% of them, don't want to go further huh

Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

He doesn't know a shit bout some stuff he needs to know lol

слишком частный пример

gerdoe

downloaded only 20% of them, don't want to go further huh

there also was insults in yandex code review

да ебать ахах

My it teacher works as a doctor

тв видел ж?))

ты видел че там по логам алисы было

а че было

это же masterpiece

Learath2

not really, I just have a superiority complex and it makes me feel really good to use a license like bsd or mit

why dont have that complex while doing good?

скинь в дм я не шарю

xd

сча

18:36

вроде в профункторе было

i love this line

18:36

Humility is disregarding your own self-interest, but the interest you abandon when you don't copyleft your code is much bigger than your own. Someone who uses your code in a nonfree program is denying freedom to others, so if you allow that, you're failing to defend those people's freedom. When it comes to defending everyone's freedom, to lie down and do nothing is an act of weakness, not humility.

Ryozuki

why dont have that complex while doing good?

It doesn't make me feel as good when I think about releasing under GPL

18:37

It's not humility at all, it's turboselfishness

ah ok

а ну и да

18:37

классика

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well i have my values

18:37

and ill respect more devs with those values aswell

gerdoe

классика

яндере дев какой то

буквально

Releasing under BSD GIGACHAD

GIGACHAD

Releasing under GPL

This is how it makes me feel ^^

gerdoe opened ulti

18:37

gerdoe

ты видел че там по логам алисы было

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Learath2

Releasing under BSD GIGACHAD

GIGACHAD

Releasing under GPL

This is how it makes me feel ^^

lol the other way around

18:38

under BSD is like weak minded

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18:38

ну это платина емае

gerdoe

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anyway too many russian chat

че за

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ill talk another time

АХАХАХАХАХАХХАХА

18:39

бедная алис

18:39

мне ее жалко очень

Ryozuki

under BSD is like weak minded

but gpl is like "ackshully you have to release back changes open source, checkmate capitalists"

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Learath2

but gpl is like "ackshully you have to release back changes open source, checkmate capitalists"

no, its actually "i defend the user rights to always be withheld"

I don't get gpl licence do you need to opensource/ make public available every change?

Every change you make public, not your own private changes that you don't intend to publish

So if I change a server and run it locally it doens't matter but if I change a server and host it I need to commit the changes?

If you give someone a binary to run their own servers there's also gotta be source code published somewhere

ah I see

I'm not sure about the running ur own servers tho

and in this case, if u use AGPL instead of GPL, and say u had a client and server, then you would need to share the server too

18:48

AGPL is awesome

18:48

The GNU Affero General Public License is a free, copyleft license for software and other kinds of works, specifically designed to ensure cooperation with the community in the case of network server software.

18:48

The licenses for most software and other practical works are designed to take away your freedom to share and change the works. By contrast, our General Public Licenses are intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change all versions of a program--to make sure it remains free software for all its users.

but what if I decide in a later date I want to close source it?

You can't retroactively license anything, that's not how this works

No one that uses the GPL ever wants that kek

kek

When you release something under some license it'll forever be available under that license unless there is some expiry condition to it

I meant I want to close source the later changes ofc the previous will be publicly available

You can do that. I think even with GPL you can. As the author you are all powerful, gpl can keep others hostage but not you

19:02

Though if you have collaborators on the project that might get a little difficult, which is why some projects make collaborators contribute under a different license that gives up all their rights so the main project gets to keep power

19:02

I think LLVM had a huge issue when relicensing. They had to contact all old contributors to get them to agree to license their code under a new license (edited)

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idk my iq but my niq is Mr.Gh0s7

Ninjed

Click to see attachment 🖼️

ah yes, random iq test on internet, much value

at some point I did a lot of them cause they had fun problems until you realise most sites have the same problems xD

Chairn

ah yes, random iq test on internet, much value

bruh its literally "club for iq geniuses"

19:28

https://www.mensa.org/

bruh, it's literally not written

idk if wikipedia is also trusted source but why not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa_International

Chairn

ah yes, random iq test on internet, much value

Words of regular dude troll

troll

gerdoe

bruh its literally "club for iq geniuses"

Ваще я сам офигел когда сдал, мне прислали письмо ч предложением пройти сертифицированый оффлайн тест в одной из стран партнеров. В моей стране нет прелставительства менса к сожалению

19:36

Типа лол, я же очередняра

Ninjed

Ваще я сам офигел когда сдал, мне прислали письмо ч предложением пройти сертифицированый оффлайн тест в одной из стран партнеров. В моей стране нет прелставительства менса к сожалению

ахаха вау

19:37

серьезная организация

Да, жаль в СНГ нету

19:39

Единственное мое достижение в жизни было, быть маппепом в дднете, а теперь членство в менсе. Между айкью и дднетом есть связь

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MilkeeyCat

@Lumpy ◐ω◑ there're events

unacceptable

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Lumpy ◐ω◑

unacceptable

i just wrote random shit instead of a real map

20:41

so it works

20:41

trust me

MilkeeyCat

trust me

I'll trust when I see it greenthing

greenthing

you can install it locally

20:42

urself

20:42

._.

MilkeeyCat

you can install it locally

do I look like someone who will be able to do that?

Lumpy ◐ω◑

do I look like someone who will be able to do that?

i wrote so good so even chicken will understand

Wtf

20:45

I don't see anything wrong with mit license

20:45

It's just that you like agpl more and it suits you better

MilkeeyCat

i wrote so good so even chicken will understand

publish when

Also what the fuck does weakness mean when you use mit license

Lumpy ◐ω◑

publish when

the code or production? xD

Ryozuki

and what alexander said is false, with agpl people can also share and sell it

I don't think I said anything wrong

MilkeeyCat

the code or production? xD

prod

Lumpy ◐ω◑

prod

never?..

20:48

there're many things i wanna do..

MilkeeyCat

never?..

never? how would I find teammates to play then?

Lumpy ◐ω◑

never? how would I find teammates to play then?

you can do same strat as me, just change your mouse

20:53

and you will never play ddnet again..

MilkeeyCat

and you will never play ddnet again..

wait what? I need more details

@pippsza я найду тебя в реально жизни и заставлю фармить на возвышение моего Чун Юня и его меча

Anime.pdf

@pippsza я найду тебя в реально жизни и заставлю фармить на возвышение моего Чун Юня и его меча

втф,за что

Ты меня позвал поиграть и 3 дня игнорил

хули в лс не написал

Хз, smooth brain

22:25

feelsbadman

бреинли ти

22:25

кинь айди если еу

22:25

завтра добавлю если буду играть

Еу, но я пошел спать, завтра кину

оке

22:26

в лс маякнишь

@Anime.pdf кидай все мемы не в чела а в dx

22:26

может возродится

gerdoe

@Anime.pdf кидай все мемы не в чела а в dx

Какие мемы

22:26

А

22:26

Понял

Там могут не понять, не принять и закибербуллить

22:27

greenthing

и примут и поймут и закибербуллят

Прелестно

За это забанят?

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