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@Deëivid! pls ban kfc and izanagi,both used my name to block all
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@pilonpl didn't want to spam #showroom more, but ffmpeg is a great piece of open source software, used in endless projects :)
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i know
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idk why but i always try to use the up arrow key to get the last command on #bot-cmds
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@Ryozuki it's open source now https://github.com/MilkeeyCat/DDnet-Team-Searcher :DDDD
Website where weirdos can find another weirdos to play with each other - GitHub - MilkeeyCat/DDnet-Team-Searcher: Website where weirdos can find another weirdos to play with each other
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gigachad
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@MilkeeyCat altho ur missing a license
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right now its "source-available"
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so not rly open source
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if u ask me the best license
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its AGPL-3
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Just wanted to ask
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Thanks gigachad
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based license
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Lumpy ◐ω◑ 2023-01-23 15:26:12Z
where is 'k' thonk
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Wha...
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git config user.name
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Bruh
15:29
All this time... I was MileeCat
15:29
😭
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Lumpy ◐ω◑ 2023-01-23 15:32:51Z
🥹
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I cant see an emoji but i think its holding back tears (edited)
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Lumpy ◐ω◑ 2023-01-23 15:34:04Z
yep
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MilkeeyCat
I cant see an emoji but i think its holding back tears (edited)
Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2023-01-23 15:53:29Z
Looks more like it smoked too much weed
justatest 1
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Ryozuki
so not rly open source
literally the same thing, only if you put more meaning into the word open, then there will be a difference
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Anime.pdf
literally the same thing, only if you put more meaning into the word open, then there will be a difference
no, if it doesnt have a license its not open source
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by default u retain all rights reserved
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even if u can see the code
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thus why its named "source-available"
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also open source has a defined meaning
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i prefer free software from the fsf tho
18:12
users get more rights than just open source
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Do users even care about open source, as a user i just want soft to be woking and looking nice if possible
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i as a user care the most
18:17
  • The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
  • The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
  • The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
  • The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
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"freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others" what the fuck does that mean, who are you gonna help
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I mean you dont need opensource to send installer to other people or smth (edited)
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u dont even want to think
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u just want to say no
18:22
person A has this program, he wishes to add or change X functionality,A doesnt have the code, A cant do that, freedom denied. if A has the code, can ask B to do it, B can then redistribute it to A, cuz the freedom to redistribute is there
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use more than a single braincell
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try to think
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sry i get madge with stupid comments xd
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Ryozuki
i as a user care the most
Fwiw, most users aren't like us which is why shitware like discord can thrive
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i know, they are blinded
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Users want sexy interface and high enough uptime. They are so oriented to that that they will willingly give all their private conversations to a private company
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@Learath2 and ppl send way too private stuff through discord
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sexually related too
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xd
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Ryozuki
sexually related too
I wouldn't know about that
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For I care about open source, truly 🤓 behaviour
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@Learath2 there are like dating discords
18:32
business is ballin
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So, they just dont what someone to get money from their software while not sharing the code
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Anime.pdf
So, they just dont what someone to get money from their software while not sharing the code
free software doesnt mean free as in money
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its free from freedom
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libre
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Anime.pdf
So, they just dont what someone to get money from their software while not sharing the code
what baffles me the most is, why end-users always say this
18:33
we literally arge for ur rights
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and u defend the opposite against ur own rights
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its hilairous
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like ppl voting politicians to increase taxes on low income and decrease on high income
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when they piss poor
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Right of what, making issues on github?
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no comment
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Hypocrisy covered by developers' fantasy world named open-source
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????????
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+
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free software licenses like GPL give power to users, not devs
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it restrains devs actions to ensure ur rights
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the 4 i sent before
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i think u are just spilling random words
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Anime.pdf
Hypocrisy covered by developers' fantasy world named open-source
It's pretty much reality now. A lot of proprietary projects have their source out in the open. Even Microsoft the mogul of the old has embraced open source
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Idk why you'd call it a fantasy world
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open source is hypocrite yes
18:36
free software is the reasl
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open-source is backed by companies
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using non copyleft licenses
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i request u read the link i sent before
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pragmatism
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he covers this
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Proprietary software development does not contribute to our community, but its developers often want handouts from us. Free software users can offer free software developers strokes for the ego—recognition and gratitude—but it can be very tempting when a business tells you, “Just let us put your package in our proprietary program, and your program will be used by many thousands of people!” The temptation can be powerful, but in the long run we are all better off if we resist it.
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The temptation and pressure are harder to recognize when they come indirectly, through free software organizations that have adopted a policy of catering to proprietary software. The X Consortium (and its successor, the Open Group) offers an example: funded by companies that made proprietary software, they strived for a decade to persuade programmers not to use copyleft. When the Open Group tried to make X11R6.4 nonfree software, those of us who had resisted that pressure were glad that we did.
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In September 1998, several months after X11R6.4 was released with nonfree distribution terms, the Open Group reversed its decision and rereleased it under the same noncopyleft free software license that was used for X11R6.3. Thank you, Open Group—but this subsequent reversal does not invalidate the conclusions we draw from the fact that adding the restrictions was possible.
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Pragmatically speaking, thinking about greater long-term goals will strengthen your will to resist this pressure. If you focus your mind on the freedom and community that you can build by staying firm, you will find the strength to do it. “Stand for something, or you will fall for anything.”
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And if cynics ridicule freedom, ridicule community…if “hard-nosed realists” say that profit is the only ideal…just ignore them, and use copyleft all the same.
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interesting read
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X server was nearly gone propietary
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if it had a copyleft license this wouldnt even have happened
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Learath2
Idk why you'd call it a fantasy world
Cuz its almost communism but in tech, almost impossible to achive
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Ryozuki
X server was nearly gone propietary
Well technically you cant retroactively relicense software, so people could continue from he last free version. But I see your point
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@Learath2 commies
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Anime.pdf
Cuz its almost communism but in tech, almost impossible to achive
Do I know you irl? I swear I have a friend that says this exact same thing to me all the time. Open source is communism
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open souce (not free software) is actually quite capitalist, it uses good willed devs time and doesnt return cuz they have a license that allows em to not
18:42
companies love MIT
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But as I said. It's already here. Except for a handful of things the proprietary world you so love is based on open source or free software
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curl is communist
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the server this discord runs on is commie
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CommunistKanna
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Your beloved discord is hosted on linux servers, it's sexy client runs on electron, which is based on chromium, your messages are sold to the NSA packaged in a MongoDB dump, the cloudflare infrastructure that protects them from ddos is all based on linux
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Literally the only part of this link that isn't open is the very end of it, the source for the discord client. Which is I guess where @Ryozuki's commie license would help
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AGPL is glorious
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it fixes GPL only issue
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server side apps
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But anyway, whether you like it or not, whether you want the freedoms or not, they are pretty much already there for a lot of stuff and hopefully will be there for more stuff as GPL and it's derivatives infects every single project out there
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@Learath2 sadly many devs are blinded by the "will my project become famous and i get millions" dream when using MIT license
18:48
not even rust devs get millions
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Learath2
Your beloved discord is hosted on linux servers, it's sexy client runs on electron, which is based on chromium, your messages are sold to the NSA packaged in a MongoDB dump, the cloudflare infrastructure that protects them from ddos is all based on linux
where did you get all that from? Uni? wikipedia? friends?
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Devinci
where did you get all that from? Uni? wikipedia? friends?
market data
18:49
linux is used for servers
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 sadly many devs are blinded by the "will my project become famous and i get millions" dream when using MIT license
I use MIT license because it makes me feel cool 😎
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Devinci
where did you get all that from? Uni? wikipedia? friends?
Big tech companies like these love sharing details about their development stack in blog posts
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Oh cool
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Devinci
Oh cool
If you enjoy reading stuff like that cloudflare always has great blogs. Very very high quality, I always learn something whenever I read one
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High quality
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Ye
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Ok nice. idk if I "enjoy" it but I wont say no to free knowledge, so might take a look, thanks!
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Devinci
Ok nice. idk if I "enjoy" it but I wont say no to free knowledge, so might take a look, thanks!
Im of those that can wander around wikipedia hours reading shit xd
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Ryozuki
Proprietary software development does not contribute to our community, but its developers often want handouts from us. Free software users can offer free software developers strokes for the ego—recognition and gratitude—but it can be very tempting when a business tells you, “Just let us put your package in our proprietary program, and your program will be used by many thousands of people!” The temptation can be powerful, but in the long run we are all better off if we resist it.
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The temptation and pressure are harder to recognize when they come indirectly, through free software organizations that have adopted a policy of catering to proprietary software. The X Consortium (and its successor, the Open Group) offers an example: funded by companies that made proprietary software, they strived for a decade to persuade programmers not to use copyleft. When the Open Group tried to make X11R6.4 nonfree software, those of us who had resisted that pressure were glad that we did.
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In September 1998, several months after X11R6.4 was released with nonfree distribution terms, the Open Group reversed its decision and rereleased it under the same noncopyleft free software license that was used for X11R6.3. Thank you, Open Group—but this subsequent reversal does not invalidate the conclusions we draw from the fact that adding the restrictions was possible.
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Pragmatically speaking, thinking about greater long-term goals will strengthen your will to resist this pressure. If you focus your mind on the freedom and community that you can build by staying firm, you will find the strength to do it. “Stand for something, or you will fall for anything.”
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And if cynics ridicule freedom, ridicule community…if “hard-nosed realists” say that profit is the only ideal…just ignore them, and use copyleft all the same.
yeah I can imagine, been lurking a bit today and you posted lie... 5 links? xd
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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cool stuff
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Cc-by-sa is even more important than free software
19:05
Open knowledge should be a must
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https://blog.cloudflare.com/a-debugging-story-corrupt-packets-in-af_xdp-kernel-bug-or-user-error/ this is the sort of debugging I enjoy, I wonder if someone would pay me to just do this 😄
A race condition in the virtual ethernet driver of the Linux kernel led to occasional packet content corruptions, which resulted in unwanted packet drops by one of our DDoS mitigation systems. This blogpost describes the thought process and technique we used to debug this complex issue.
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@ReiTW did u read this
19:10
I know ur into xdp
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Ryozuki
@ReiTW did u read this
yeah, but not into af_xdp sockets xD, but they're damn cool for performance
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Learath2
https://blog.cloudflare.com/a-debugging-story-corrupt-packets-in-af_xdp-kernel-bug-or-user-error/ this is the sort of debugging I enjoy, I wonder if someone would pay me to just do this 😄
damn
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cloudflare's debugging are always fun to read
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they go rly deep into details
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ReiTW
cloudflare's debugging are always fun to read
Learned of a new useful tool too, ftrace sounds amazing
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Learath2
Learned of a new useful tool too, ftrace sounds amazing
bpf_printk prints out in that trace file
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Was using it for debugging purpose but too slow, instead if I need to print out data to userspace I send those through a ring buffer
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I guess too slow since it entails a syscall?
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Forgot, there was an explanation about that, will find it
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@Learath2 ah this is in the bpf helpers man page
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Also, note that bpf_trace_printk() is slow, and should only be used for debugging purposes. For this reason, a notice block (spanning several lines) is printed to kernel logs and states that the helper should not be used "for production use" the first time this helper is used (or more precisely, when trace_printk() buffers are allocated). For passing values to user space, perf events should be preferred.
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But doesn't explain much
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Also this is kinda outdated, ring buffers are much more efficient than perf buffers
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pilonpl
This is very old
I didn't say it's new, did I? 😛
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Yes but the article might be outdated
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That is definetly not important
20:46
What's important is to understand their way to proceed against a problem, if it's well explained that's still good things to learn from
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@Learath2 you still work with eBPF stuff ? I if remember correctly you tried
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I haven't touched anything computer related in months pepeW
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All I ever do is look at stupid equations and circuits all day
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I feel like you should now start talking about how life sux
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Definitely not poggers
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pilonpl
I feel like you should now start talking about how life sux
I'm trying the pretend it's ok approach
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when linux allows you to download games at a reasonable speed Thonk well windows had me at 10mb/s only, but this is smth different
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Windows sux
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But i use it anyway
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well im fucking pissed off with windows crashes by now
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even windows 11 is crashing on me
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My pc maybe crashed like 3 times
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Actually I don't even play games really
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Only ddnet
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And some small games sometimes
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I also play a few selection of games, cuz im too bored of all the games i tried
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but I only wanted to play games and work without windows fucking me up, so I went to linux mint
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also fuck popos
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Cellegen
even windows 11 is crashing on me
My windows never crashed, my whole pc would rather crash than windows
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Relatable
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I wanted to install linux some time ago but i don't have enough space i think + i was afraid i would delete my windows installation and all of my files
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"i don't have enough space", you mean installing it alongside with a windows partition?
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I have a 200gb ssd
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And that's not a lot
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Windows is big i think
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i have a 2tb ssd
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BASEDDEPT
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Ssds got a lot cheaper i guess
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i use 1tb ssd currently
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justatest
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mine wasn't cheap tho
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I don't even use computers that much
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I don't know what i am doing with my life
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Time kinda just passes by
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nooo wait don't traumadump now
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gimme a couple days and I'll have a mental breakdown, you can tag along
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@pilonpl dont think about
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just go to the gym
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i do that
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maybe someday ill be kinda strong and success will come
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kek
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copium
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pilonpl
I don't know what i am doing with my life
whatever you want to achieve, regardless if it's a life goal or a little thing, it counts as being alive so far. It can suck, but at least it's better, than eternal boredom
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Ryozuki
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redditors
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twitter
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karens
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i love these comics
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Where do you get them from?
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follow them
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pilonpl
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fake news
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its real news
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did more research
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u right
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Learath2
All I ever do is look at stupid equations and circuits all day
how do you think your computer runs?
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Voxel
fake news
it changes when in a non void medium though
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Ultra instinct dodge and the ball can be as blue as it wants
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Chairn
how do you think your computer runs?
the people who liked looking at circuits and equations made it run already, it's not my concern
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until circuits make your computer not behave in the way you expect
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Chairn
until circuits make your computer not behave in the way you expect
I will never need the knowledge I learn in circuit theory, can't debug down to the circuits in the cpu
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how about hardware fault or hardware security issues?
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Chairn
how about hardware fault or hardware security issues?
there are hardware people for that
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and they blame software too 😄
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Chairn
and they blame software too 😄
as long as I don't have to look at their weird equations and circuits we can play the blame game all the time
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Chairn
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Some things like this, alarm ringtone, microsoft teams calling sound make me instantly uncomfortable
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Chairn
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DO KCL AT THE MIDDLE NODE RN
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i2+i3=i1+i4 🙂
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